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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: roach on October 14, 2006, 01:00:44 AM
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newb here, with lots-o-questions:
Was in live battle for 1st time. Helping at a base that was under siege. Read on web site how it is necessary to deliver supplies which helps – ammo, fuel, and apparently also relates to repair time. The details are complex and I am still learning. I have read much of the help on the ah2 web site - so much to remember
No one has been in the training area that can help with anything other than dog fighting, which I am discovering is only a small part of this very complex game.
I am practicing with the C-47 – would like to learn how to deliver supplies and such to be useful in the live combat zones. Anyone willing to help with my training? Also, any tips or instructions on how to drop off the cargo?
One other thing I noticed in the live combat, when a base is in a bad way there is very little in aircraft left to use to defend the base. I tried to fly to the base under siege from the nearest friendly base – and it took FOREVER – is this part of the normal game play? I could have put on auto pilot and went to watch TV for 20 minutes while it was in transit there, and running out of fuel was a problem too.
Again, looking for tips, pointers, and advice.
Thanx all!
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Dropping supplies
I go into auto pilot 'x'
Then open bomb doors 'o'
Then drop cargo or men 'b'
Does it matter how close the stuff drops to the base?
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Okay whats the point of turning around and going back + landing after a dropoff? I cant seem to refuel.
Is there any penalty for choosing 'End Sortie' and then jumping in a fresh plane back at the supply base?
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1) Supplies must hit concrete to be effective.
2) Supplies must be dropped while parked on concrete or dropped on conrete from over 800 feet to be effective.
3) Returning to base will increase your score for the drop.
4) There is a reload pad at the end of each runway. You must park on that to reload. It has a big yellow circle on it.
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Originally posted by mQuinn
1) Supplies must hit concrete to be effective.
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:huh seriously?
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Originally posted by roach
Okay whats the point of turning around and going back + landing after a dropoff? I cant seem to refuel.
Is there any penalty for choosing 'End Sortie' and then jumping in a fresh plane back at the supply base?
you can't end sortie while in flight so you have to either crash, bail, ditch, land, or get shot down, for this to work. You get more points for landing after a sortie and, while I could not care less about points, I always try to land regardless for the 'immersion' factor.
The flights between bases do take some time but this can be useful in climbing to a reasonable alt, setting yourself up for the fight, bs'ing with friends on channel, etc.
good luck
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Field supplies and troops ...
They can be delivered with either an M3 or a C-47.
Troops in an M3 ... drive the M3 into or near the town, open the door, and let them go. When capturing a town, the preferred method is to drive right up to the map room and let them out. This lessen the ability for the enemy to shoot them. I don't know the exact distance, but troops can be released outside of the town and they will run right to the map room.
Field supplies in an M3 ... You don't have to be on concrete for them to take. It's preferable to be on concrete. When you arrive at the base, open the door, come to a COMPLETE STOP and let the supplies go. Wait for it to disappear and then land to get perk points. Again, I don't know the exact distance, but field supplies can be dropped within a certain distance of the field and they will take.
Troops in a C-47 ... They can't either be dropped or you can land the C-47 near the town. When dropping troops, you must be AT LEAST 800 FEET ABOVE the current ground level ... if a base is at 1.5, then you must be at least at 2.3 to drop troops and have the parachutes open properly. If you don't drop them high enough, the chutes wont open in time and they will die. If you land the C-47, get as close to the town as possible, open the door and kick them out, they will run to the map room.
Field supplies in a C-47 ... Again, they must be dropped at least 800 feet above ground level for the chute to open properly. Drop them over the field as best you can, when the crate lands, it will disappear and the field has taken them. The simple fact that it would be extremely difficult to drop them only on concrete is the reason why ... field supplies don't need to be dropped on concrete. You can also land the C-47 (on the runway or any part of the field) and drop the field supplies and they will take.
There is one other option on troop delivery ... the Jeep can carry (I believe) 2 troops ... so one would need to make 5 drops or get a bunch of jeeps together and all drop for a capture.
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Supplies must be dropped from at least 800 feet altitude and at speed below 200 mph. They must be dropped inside a 1 mile range of the structure that is to be supplied. (the terrain tiles have a side lenght of 1 mile, so anywhere on the base is good).
I usually come in low and fast to the base, then over the point i want to drop on i make a steep climb (ideally straight up). As soon as im slow/high enough, i drop. Dont forget you need to open bay doors.
When the base is not under immediate attack, you can also LAND the C47. But the gears need to be undamaged to still be able to drop. Also make sure youre at a complete stop.
For M3/Jeep, just make sure that youre completely stopped. Then open doors and drop.
If you turn back and land your plane after dropping only has effects on the points you recieve for the sortie, nothing else.
As for training... when are your usual online times? You can contact the trainers via email trainers@hitechcreations.com. Let us know when youre available and what your ingame name is - one of us then will come back with you and schedule something.
Apart from that, keep doing what youre already doing - ask questions, read on the help sites (http://www.netaces.org also a great adress, as well as the trainers site http://trainers.hitechcreations.com) and most importantly - enjoy yourself in the game!
Welcome! :)
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Originally posted by roach
Okay whats the point of turning around and going back + landing after a dropoff? I cant seem to refuel.
Is there any penalty for choosing 'End Sortie' and then jumping in a fresh plane back at the supply base?
Properly landing after dropping troops or field supplies only helps in getting the full amount of perks earned. In the case of a C-47, if you just helped capture a field, the new base may not have troops enabled, so if you want to continue to help with the next base capture (if that is what they are going to do), then it would be best to land at the base and re-supply for your next sortie.
To refuel and resupply, go to the very end of a runway and look for a concrete pad that a little building on it and it also has a yellow circle painted on the concrete pad ... pull into the circle and come to a complete stop ... you will then see in the text buffer that re-supply will be completed in 30 seconds ... wait until you see another text message saying that the re-supply is complete.
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Thanks very much, I read though each response carefully.
When I drop troops with the c47 I open the bomb door and then hit "b" (fire secondary) and they drop. I was carrying troops in the jeep, which does not have doors, and when I pressed "b" nothing seemed to happen. I'm still not sure how to unload from the jeep (or vehicle). Driving between bases takes much longer though, I think I will have to use a second computer and play another game while waiting :P
This information is great though. As for my online times, it is difficult for me to schedule, I jump on between jobs. I own a business and am on-call status also.
Thanks again. I'm sure I will have more questions. I am trying to experiment and figure out as much as I can on my own too.
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The trick to unloading troops or supplies from a ground vehicle is that the vehicle must be completely stopped before letting them go.. or they will just disappear.
C47.. yes over 800 feet above ground level, and less than 200 mph. Right over where you want to drop them just climb straight up and let them go.
On an AIRFIELD, drop troops over town, or supplies over the base
On a vehicle field or port, drop troops AND supplies over the base
Usually if I plan on taking the base, I'll fly around (clear of enemy planes) until we get the base, then just land there and up another (or if troops are disabled I resupply there).. you can resupply troops, but not field supplies. There really isn't much point to flying back to the base you took off from. If I feel there's a reasonable chance I'm going to die anyway, I'll fly my goon straight towards enemy planes and draw them away from the base (goons are like magnets to fighters) and give my guys a chance to get on their tails. Yes I'll die, but it usually scatters the hoardes. Even if you die, your troops will continue their march towards the map room (as long as you released them beforehand)
If I feel I can, I'll try to land my C47 (also known as a GOON) next to the town. When you can hit F3 to get an overhead view of the plane to make it easier to maneuver between buildings and all, and you can get that goon right up the the maproom if you're careful.
If I'm bringing supplies to the base, I just land it on the runway, let the supplies go when I come to a complete stop.. then end sortie and get my landing and my points, but of course you can't ALWAYS do that.
ALSO don't drop troops from a very high altitude.. they take forever to parachute down. If you drop from 25,000 feet it takes over ten minutes, and by that time either someone else has taken the base, or the town has come back up already.
OH! also.. in order to take an air base, *ALL* town buildings and town ground guns must be destroyed (except for one large black warehouse on the edge, which is indestructable). When you have troops, make sure you get a couple people on RANGE to verify all the buildings are down before you let go of your troops, because if even one building is up your troops will die as they enter the map-room.
Hope this answers some questions for you!
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(1.) I pulled my goon over a reload zone, and that worked great. But I was facing the building, and couldn't figure out how to reverse engines and taxi out backwards. What's the way out of this situation?
(2.) I landed the goon, completely stopped (but left engines running) and opened door, then fired secondary. The crate came out (I was watching from external view) and a chute opened even though I was on the ground. Then the chute disappeared, and the crate disappeared in sort of a small puff of a cloud. Did the airfield accept the airfield supplies? How can I verify it?
(3.) When a player bails out of a damaged aircraft, and is on foot, is there any way to acquire a new aircraft without ending sortie?
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1.) Don't pull up facing the buildings:aok There's no reverse, so you just have to be very careful when pulling onto the rearm pad.
2.) Yes, the supplies took. If they don't take then they just disappear without the explosion and smoke.
3.) No, but it's still fun to wait at the end of an enemy runway and shoot the planes that are taking off. A few shots in the canopy and they explode. Or, if you are defending a base, you can run to the maproom in the town and kill the troops as they run in.
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Originally posted by 68Dougal
3.) No, but it's still fun to wait at the end of an enemy runway and shoot the planes that are taking off. A few shots in the canopy and they explode. Or, if you are defending a base, you can run to the maproom in the town and kill the troops as they run in. [/B]
Someone today was asking to be picked up after they were shot down. They were on foot. So you are saying it isn't possible, not even with the c47?
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Originally posted by roach
Someone today was asking to be picked up after they were shot down. They were on foot. So you are saying it isn't possible, not even with the c47?
Yes. Impossible.
The second that you bail, the kill is awarded to whoever shot you. Also, its determined if you are over enemy or friendly territory and get a capture/bailed successfully (which influences the amount of points you get for the sortie). What you do after that (running around, or even shooting things) will have no effect on points or ranking.
If youre not sure the supplies took, you can go to HANGAR after the sortie and check if you got perk points awarded for the drop. (in the last sortie category).
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I was carrying troops in the jeep, which does not have doors, and when I pressed "b" nothing seemed to happen. I'm still not sure how to unload from the jeep (or vehicle). Driving between bases takes much longer though, I think I will have to use a second computer and play another game while waiting :P
In a Jeep or an M3 you have to open the door (same as the C-47) with the "O" key ... then they will run when you kick them out.
You don't have to drive ALL the way between bases.
Bring up the clipboard ... right click on it ... choose "Vehicle spawns" ... the map will then show the directions and places where you can spawn to.
With that, and after choosing a vehicle in the hanger, look at the lower left hand corner of the clipboard. You will see a button with an "H" in it ... that will spawn the vehicle at the base you are at. All the other buttons around the "H" button correspond to the available spawn points that one can use from that base.
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after 4 straight hours I died countless times and got zero kills
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Originally posted by roach
after 4 straight hours I died countless times and got zero kills
I know you wont like hearing that... but its normal :).
I took two weeks to get my first a2a kill in MA :). Dont get frustrated, Aces High has a pretty steep learning curve. And you are up against virtual pilots that might have been flying for years and years.
Also, choice of fight can be very important. If you try to fight 5 or 6 enemy pilots at once, even a seasoned vet has trouble. Try to look for places where there are not too many enemies around, and also some friendlies to help you out.
And one more tip: "Loose Sight, Loose Fight!" - Situational awareness (SA) is about 80% in a fight. Make sure you have your views (http://www.netaces.org/ahview/viewadj.html#title) are set up and practice keeping your opponent in sight (or at least know where he is and what hes doing!).
If you want to, come to the Training Arena to ask for help/tips. I will be there later this afternoon/evening (european time zone). Or set a date with one of us trainers - you can email us at trainers@hitechcreations.com. Please include your ingame name and times you are available (time zone!)
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Also, choice of fight can be very important. If you try to fight 5 or 6 enemy pilots at once, even a seasoned vet has trouble. Try to look for places where there are not too many enemies around, and also some friendlies to help you out.
That is absolutely true and I kept that in mind last night - actually managed to get a kill too (only one). I used to play bf1942 a lot and I think any strategy I used in that game is completely backwards to this one, since this one (aces high II) is so much more realistic - more of a simulation than a game.
I would like to do some training on flight combat, but it is difficult for me to set a day and time due to my occupation. I will have to pop in the practice arena and see who's there when I'm on. What I think would be really helpful would be to find someone that can offer training while in a live combat arena.
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Originally posted by roach
That is absolutely true and I kept that in mind last night - actually managed to get a kill too (only one). I used to play bf1942 a lot and I think any strategy I used in that game is completely backwards to this one, since this one (aces high II) is so much more realistic - more of a simulation than a game.
I would like to do some training on flight combat, but it is difficult for me to set a day and time due to my occupation. I will have to pop in the practice arena and see who's there when I'm on. What I think would be really helpful would be to find someone that can offer training while in a live combat arena.
Way to go on your first kill! :)
During US times, theres usually people in the Training Arena. Just ask around on who can show you a few things. Aside from the Trainers, theres also a lot of very helpful longtime players in there that are willing to share their experience.
When you see me online in the Main Arenas, dont hesitate to PM me. We can wing some any time. Also, you could try to ask on country channel, maybe you find a Vet that is willing to let you join his plane and fly "with him".... this can also give you a good idea on tactical thoughts and fight management. (Ignore the stupid comments you might get for asking :))
Also check out the Squadron Forum (at the bottom of the forum list)... joining a Squad will give you guidance from longtime players, as well as wingmen and help should you need it. Also its a lot more fun then to fly around all alone. When choosing a squad, make sure your "personalities" and goals for the game are teh same.... most will let you fly with them for a while, to see if you "fit". I myself "grew up" in 71 Squadron.... was always a hoot to fly with them.
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Roach, anytime you want a hand dropping troops or supplies, just PM me, and fix up a time. I work on GMT time, so it will be early evening if you are in US. But we can work round it. I could do with practicing my drops as well.
Originally posted by Schatzi
I took two weeks to get my first a2a kill in MA
TWO WEEKS!! :O :O :O :O
Spot the natural! Took me more like two or three MONTHS to get my first kill! Even then it was from the back of a B24! And kills are still few and far between!
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Lol, 2 weeks to get a first kill. I got my first kill in the first 3 minutes of playing the game in the MA (back in march of 2006).
Anyway, it's kinda hard to get a kill when you're a noob. But you'll get used to the controls and will be an ace with your favorite fighter. I'm an ace with my favorite fighter: The ME262 baby!:D :aok :D :aok