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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AquaShrimp on October 14, 2006, 01:13:37 AM
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Of the teen series of U.S. fighters (F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18), which do you think was the most effective overall?
My vote goes for the F-16. It started as an agile dogfighter with an amazing thrust to weight ratio, and with added electronic equipment, it became a versatile air-to-ground and beyond-visual-range fighter/attack jet.
The F-16 was not extremely expensive like the -14 or -15, so airforces could afford to have many of them. It combined all the aspects of a dogfighter (high thrust to weight, excellent visibility, small size) with modern electronics to enable it to pursue other tasks. And not least, its single engine used half the fuel of the -14 and -15, so pilots could theoretically train much longer than in twin engined fighters.
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The F-15. Or Matt Dillon in The Outsiders
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15 easily
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Originally posted by Slash27
The F-15. Or Matt Dillon in The Outsiders
true, mr. dillon did defeat the soaches' with his eagle. (gay)
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Originally posted by Slash27
The F-15. Or Matt Dillon in The Outsiders
it certainly wasnt machio in the outsiders, and howell was almost as nancy as johnny. but lets not forget that the likes of rob lowe, emilio estaves and patrick swayze were also in the mix.
i would say its a close call between pre-wong fu swayze and matt dillon, but post wong fu i'd agree...dillon all the way.
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Originally posted by Slash27
The F-15. Or Matt Dillon in The Outsiders
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YF-12 could own F-15s all day & all night. Those habus flew so long sorties :O OTOH F-13 is not yet designated, so you can only guess that when it is that plane will pwn 'em all :O :O :noid
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oh.
well, in that case...greg brady. (post-nailing of florence henderson of course)
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Nash
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The History Channel said the other day that the F-15 has over 200 air to air kills but has never been shot down air to air, making it the most successful fighter ever. The History Channel is sometimes wrong, but that's a pretty good point.
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That really doesn't mean much Eskimo. Just like in AH, you can place yourself in a situation to take out the enemy, and if you get in even the slightest bit of trouble you can bug the **** out. That doesn't mean the plane is good, just the pilot.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
That really doesn't mean much Eskimo. Just like in AH, you can place yourself in a situation to take out the enemy, and if you get in even the slightest bit of trouble you can bug the **** out. That doesn't mean the plane is good, just the pilot.
New handle = Devil's Advocate.
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I would have to answer this question with a question. By best teen series fighter do you mean now or when it was designed and what it was designed for?
Based on original design specs I would go with the F/A-18. It was the only one out of the 4 that was designed from the start as a swing role fighter. It is an agile air to air fighter. It is an excelent air to mud attacker. It can operate from land bases or CVN's. It is in the middle of the pack when it comes to speed. It has and still does everything extremely well. The only real short coming of the early Hornets was lack of range. The new Super Hornets have addressed that problem and have turned that aircraft into a monster. Considering that the Navy is using that 1 plane in the F/A-18E/F as a dedicated air to air and attack aircraft and the F/A-18G/H as photo recon and electronic intel and jamming, it will soon be the only plane onboard US carriers in the near future, other than the E-2 and C-2's.
The other 3 were adapted over the years for different roles they were never intended to fill. My vote is for the Hornet:aok
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The F-15 of course, what kind of question was that.
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They're all great, but the F-15 probably can do more better.
The F-14 was basically carrier defense with long-range missiles, the F-16 is a lower cost more agile supplement to the F-15, and the F-18 is the Navy adaptation of the YF-17 that lost the competition with the YF-16.
Although the F-15 never had the Phoenix missiles of the F-14, it comes about as close as any plane ever has to being the fighter that can do everything, including bombing.
In historic perspective, the F-15 is like a combination F-4/F-105 with better agility and a combination P-51/P-47/P-38/P-61.
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F-16 has the highest mishap rate of the 4--only one engine. And, its not that cheap--not the ones the U.S. has. It was intended that way, to export to countries without any fancy gizmos, but alas, they cost.
The F-15 may be better in a dogfight (although I'm not sure that matters any more), but the F-14 could slap 'em down at 100 miles X 6. Once they started dropping bombs, they showed they could haul a lot of ordnance and had plenty of legs to get it there. So, I'll say F-14, mostly because of the Phoenix.
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Yeah, the Phoenix would make short work of an F-15. Designed to intercept super-sonic AS missles, it would dominate any 1 - on - 1 fight vs. non-stealth aircraft.
Pretty neat the way they launch, then CRACK up they go to about 100k altitude, then invert and dive on their target and set off the prox fuse. Range, 300km or so if I remember correctly. 5000 km/hr max speed? Something like that; the warhead itself is well over 100 lbs of high explosive.
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I say the F-18 and F-14 were the best (yep im biased to Navy planes:p )
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Yeah, and the Phoenix is a kill-shot with that warhead, not a "ding" maker. Mach 4+ I believe in the terminal phase...
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Phoenix, hmmm, I think the missle is overrated. Remember, it couldn't even down all of the drones in its famous test.
An F-14 fired six Phoenix missles at once against 6 non-maneuvering, subsonic drones. Only 5 missles hit.
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5/6 isn't bad ;)
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
non-maneuvering, subsonic drones..
Kind of like, anti-ship cruise missiles or the bombers carrying them? So, if 8 F-14's all fired 6 Phoenix, then they could expect to get hits with 40 out of 48 missiles. I wish I could get those kind of odds at the blackjack table...
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Countermeasures, maneuvering, and running the missle out of energy.
If a Phoenix is launched at 100 miles, avoiding it could be as simple as doing a 180 degree turn and increasing speed. This would be an example of running the missle out of energy.
Out maneuvering the missle involves flying towards it, and at a close distance, maneuvering away from it very quickly. I dont think a Phoenix in its final, unpowered 'death dive' can turn very well.
Countermeasures- Chaff, electronic jamming equipment.
The non-maneuvering test drones employed none of these features.
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I think the phoenix missle was primarily designed as a bomber interceptor. also remember that the russian aircraft of the time period were using tin cans and a lot of string to communicate with their ground controllers. I hear that now they've upgraded to monofilament so their com capabilities are somewhat improved.
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Hummm,
The Phoenix would have a hard time hitting a Fighter at long range as is was never intended too, it was designed to take out high sub sonic bombers not fighters. Even thought the F-14 could track multiple fighters it would have a hard time hitting them at long range.
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It would depend on whether Voss was flying it, that of course would make any fighter superior.
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Originally posted by Warspawn
Yeah, the Phoenix would make short work of an F-15. Designed to intercept super-sonic AS missles, it would dominate any 1 - on - 1 fight vs. non-stealth aircraft.
If the F-15 was a drone maybe. The F-15 pilot would have little problem defeating a Phoenix attack. Once past the Phoenix threat the F-15 pwns the F-14.
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not if tom cruise was flying the F-14, sheesh you guys just don't know anything do ya? it boils down to the man not the plane.
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Its Man X Plane. So you give a numerical value to each. Man =5 Plane =8. Total effectiveness would be 40. Some people don't like applying numerical values like that, but how are you going to judge it then? Thats science.
And when comparing planes, you always consider the pilots equal.
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Originally posted by storch
not if tom cruise was flying the F-14, sheesh you guys just don't know anything do ya? it boils down to the man not the plane.
You used Tom Cruise and man in the same sentance.:D
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Originally posted by storch
not if tom cruise was flying the F-14, sheesh you guys just don't know anything do ya? it boils down to the man not the plane.
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Originally posted by Debonair
YF-12 could own F-15s all day & all night.
12 is pronounced "twelve" and therefore YF-12 is not a "teen series" fighter.
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