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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bj229r on October 14, 2006, 09:26:10 AM
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A federal judge has ruled that workers can file a class-action suit against Tyson Foods Inc. for depressing wages by hiring illegal aliens.
Howard W. Foster, a Chicago lawyer for the Tyson employees, described the ruling in Winchester, Tenn., as a "very big step," allowing him to seek damages for thousands of workers at eight plants -- including one in Glen Allen, Va. -- instead of just the four original plaintiffs.
The case, filed in 2002 under the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), is one of a growing number across the nation challenging illegal aliens in the workplace. In August, a temporary agency in California sued its competitors under the state's unfair-competition laws.
Mr. Foster has represented U.S. citizens seeking damages for wage depression caused by employment of illegal aliens in other cases, including one against Mohawk Industries and a class-action case against Zirkle Fruit Co., which has been settled.
"You can't bring these cases unless they get certified as class actions," he said yesterday. .
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20061013-114720-7221r.htm
This is AWESOME! All that crap about 'Mexicans only do work that Americans won't do' is BS-- 12 million+ here now and farmers cant get fruit picked, because Mexicans have moved into blue collar jobs like construction, and driven wages down:mad:
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Good news indeed. The agricultural industry can't just relocate to poor countries for sweat shop labor like a lot of industries can.
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aren't there laws against hiring illegals? I bet arresting the owners of tysons and throwing them in prison would have some effect too.
Pass english only laws... arrest employers and.... no benifiets for non U.S. citizens. wouldn't even need a wall.
lazs
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There is a big lawsuit of the same type against mohawk in dalton, GA. I think some of the big companies are going to start feeling the repercussions of their actions.
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Originally posted by TPIguy
...big companies are going to start feeling the repercussions of their actions.
ofcourse and after that the buyers will feel the increased product prices too.
One thing leads to another.
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Originally posted by TPIguy
There is a big lawsuit of the same type against mohawk in dalton, GA. I think some of the big companies are going to start feeling the repercussions of their actions.
as they should.
they have purposefully circumnavigated the rule of law in favor of profit.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
ofcourse and after that the buyers will feel the increased product prices too.
One thing leads to another.
Likely so, but what's truly infuriating people here in the states is that BUSINESSES who pay illegals under the table, or wink at their fake i.d.'s, don't have to pay the social costs of these parasites that the taxpayer faces---when these people get sick , they go to the emergency room... many of them manage to get some sort welfare/food stamps, etc....their children have to be absorbed into the local school system... they occupy an VERY high % of cell spaces in jails and prisons, and they listen to chitty music VERY loud:confused:
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Originally posted by bj229r
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20061013-114720-7221r.htm
This is AWESOME! All that crap about 'Mexicans only do work that Americans won't do' is BS-- 12 million+ here now and farmers cant get fruit picked, because Mexicans have moved into blue collar jobs like construction, and driven wages down:mad:
It is BS and I posed some nubers a while back that showed that.
One that stands out in my head is 25% of constuction jobs are heald by illegals.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
It is BS and I posed some nubers a while back that showed that.
One that stands out in my head is 25% of constuction jobs are heald by illegals.
Gotta be more than that, I'd wager more like 75% of all guys with hard hats on are Mexicans
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Yea but not all Mexicans are illegals.
Tell ya what though.
Normally Im not a snitch and typically I hate snitches but..
For the amount of friggen hoops I had to go through here to get my conractors licence.
And for amount of contractors operting here both without a licence and with illegals.
I'm going to be turning in each and every one I find.
They should hold our elected officials to such high standards
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Likely so, but what's truly infuriating people here in the states is that BUSINESSES who pay illegals under the table, or wink at their fake i.d.'s, don't have to pay the social costs of these parasites that the taxpayer faces"
but they ARE working, not sitting around *****ing about how "the man" is keeping them down.
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I'd known a couple of illegals though various jobs. Most of them learned or were learning english, kept their nose clean and worked hard.
I'd prefer them to some of the folks that distinguished themselves during the new orleans katrina disaster.
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True that.
Maybe there should be a law that empoyers can't pay anybody less than minimum wage, even if they're here on a work visa.
Might cut down on the demand for illegal labor, but only if the law is enforced.
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Don't you mean the opposite? That employers can pay wages lower than minimum wage to eliminate the demand for illegal aliens?
The problem is not illegal aliens; the problem is government. Every government agency has the tools and regulations to stem illegal employment. You have ask who is influencing them to not enforce those rules. You'll find it is not illegal aliens compromising the integrity of legislation and administration of government, it's US businesses.
Just like it says on the clipboard when you log into AH: "The evil within..."
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Originally posted by vorticon
but they ARE working, not sitting around *****ing about how "the man" is keeping them down.
And lying about thier income because they're being paid under the table, and getting welfare/foodstamps and other benefits they shouldn't be getting.
My mom works for family and childrens' services, and she's said a few times that you would not believe the number of fraudulent cases they have with hispanics trying to get benefits. They'll sit there in her office and lie through thier teeth about anything and everything trying to get a government check.
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it is illegal.
the court should uphold it. i hope so.
even if we were to remain permissive, we would have a strong precident to punish serious offenders or those who remain wholly unwilling to accept responsibility for those that they bring in without permission.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Don't you mean the opposite? That employers can pay wages lower than minimum wage to eliminate the demand for illegal aliens?
The problem is not illegal aliens; the problem is government. Every government agency has the tools and regulations to stem illegal employment. You have ask who is influencing them to not enforce those rules. You'll find it is not illegal aliens compromising the integrity of legislation and administration of government, it's US businesses.
Just like it says on the clipboard when you log into AH: "The evil within..."
Unfortunately, Rolex, You are right. Due to uncontrolled lobbying, Money from business' is allowed into election funds, "donations" to parties, etc. Add to this, manipulation of media and statistics given to Main-Stream Americans, and you can see how businesses really operate. Add to the fact that you have Illegal Immegrants taking advantage of laws that dictate that they get health care, education, and housing, and you can see the burden on our already suffering Tax base. Things like NAFTA (Which was pushed by both the GOP and the Democrats, alike) have made this problem exponentially worse. If you look at the trend over the last 30 years, My imagination reels in horror of what our country and economy looking like in the next 3 decades.
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Originally posted by CavemanJ
And lying about thier income because they're being paid under the table, and getting welfare/foodstamps and other benefits they shouldn't be getting.
My mom works for family and childrens' services, and she's said a few times that you would not believe the number of fraudulent cases they have with hispanics trying to get benefits. They'll sit there in her office and lie through thier teeth about anything and everything trying to get a government check.
Its the Section 8 that really burns me, the govts great idea to let ghetto elk move to middle class areas and pay 30% of what I do. Landlords love it because Govt checks always arrive on time and its guaranteed cash even if someone loses a job, gets fired etc.. Plus Uncle Sam pays for some repairs.
One neighbor of mine pays $600 less than I do, tax payers pick up the rest. And that mofo has a bigger frikn TV than I do!
I was looking to rent a house near by for $1300 a mo, but it had plumbing issues.. I passed. The landlord moves in a Section 8 family of eight adults who pay $400, or uh $50 a month each. Its a day laborer crash pad now, trash everywhere, stinks like urine, rotting cars on the street. La bamba music booms every night as the drunks bark at the moon.
Soon the whole block with be overrun as regular people leave in disgust.
Must be nice to sneak into this country and have the Govt allow you to live in a (used to be) nice area for $50 a month, plus they get WIC, food stamps and GR. Meanwhile the sap middle class family of three next door works 2 jobs just to get by, and is 1 layoff from being broke.
No wonder they swarm here like Locusts, our govt it just too simple and stupid not to be taken advantage of.
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I hope this lawsuit spreads through corporate America like a cash eating cancer and forces the nutless clones in congress to pay attention to something other than getting rich with real estate scams or trying to doink kids.
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"ofcourse and after that the buyers will feel the increased product prices too.
One thing leads to another."
Oddly enough, their hiring of illegals has never resulted in lower prices at the retail level--which, if your argument was valid, it should. There's no valid reason for any corporation to raise prices if they replace illegals, unless the public or government is too stupid and accepts their lies (which is highly likely, sadly).
Stuff like that is a great example of why an unregulated or barely-regulated free market is NOT a good economic system.
J_A_B
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golfer... maybe in Ohio you are seeing something different... here in kalifornia we have had the illegals for a long time.
You are right... at first they work hard and mind their own business for peanuts like good little slaves...
Human nature being what it is... as soon as they get a full belly and their worst medical problems fixed...human nature takes over..
People don't like being slaves much..
The slaves have babies and the babies grow up in the schools and they learn the ropes and they learn how to milk the system... they teach the new illegals coming in how to do section 8 and welfare and social services.. they learn how to live in an underground econmomy..
Where I live there is a whole generation of kids of illegals who have never finished school and who either have never worked or underwork..
They are not "hard working" and are mostly simply criminals... most have been to jails and prisons...
We are creating vast slums and vast drains on resources.
We need to stop illegal aliens by arresting the employers. Then we need to cut all social services for em and we need to severly limit rewarding women for having children out of wedlock and make it impossible for them to do so and then move their boyfriend into their section 8 house.
If you can't afford it... you don't deserve to have children or even sex. If you can't cover the cost you don't deserve to have sex in my opinion.
lazs