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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Overlag on October 16, 2006, 09:20:47 PM
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cap really needs to be increased :(
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couple mega squads having squad night
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Originally posted by bj229r
couple mega squads having squad night
hence the need for higher cap... every night LW is full. Not fair if you get there late and you cant play the game is it?
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I think the caps should be up also.
Would teh 68th Lightning Lancers a mega squad?:p
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Ya its maxed out everynight.
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why dont some of you guys come to the EW arena instead? it's good fun in there, just needs more pilots :)
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and.... in the fighter arenas.....biggles gives out free cartoon plane flying lessons and he is allways low and slow so you can show him how alt and better planes allways win.
lazs
Public relations Officer for the BK's
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when is ht staff coming back from vacation? :confused:
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Originally posted by lazs2
and.... in the fighter arenas.....biggles gives out free cartoon plane flying lessons and he is allways low and slow so you can show him how alt and better planes allways win.
lazs
Public relations Officer for the BK's
hehehe :t
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cap LW at 2 and open up MW to 1000. oh...EW...uhmm........
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Originally posted by Yeager
cap LW at 2 and open up MW to 1000. oh...EW...uhmm........
Why? So you could have 50 people in there with a 1000 cap :aok
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Dady Wabit?
Is your siggy supposed to say 'Tatical' or 'Tactical'? Mispelled or a joke I don't get?
Wait, I'm part of a 'Mega-Squad', does this mean I'm not accepted anymore? :cry
Seriously, the only reason I hang on to this game is because of my squad. They're my cartoon family in cartoon airplanes. I hope HT don't do away with big squads when they get back from.....
Originally posted by DadRabit
when is ht staff coming back from vacation?
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"Mega-Squads" were never intended in the game design from everything I have read. That's why a squad has a cap of 32 people.
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But if they weren't in a "mega" squad are you sure they wouldn't be in LW anyway? :huh
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I think they should have arena registration. If you sign up for an arena ( Early, Mid, or Late) you should always be able to get in it. Everyone who has been in the MA before the change should be allowed to be registered in it if they wish. Once it reaches a max load that they feel the server can handle, and new players come along, those people would be denied LW1, and would have to register for LW2.
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
Wait, I'm part of a 'Mega-Squad', does this mean I'm not accepted anymore? :cry
Seriously, the only reason I hang on to this game is because of my squad. They're my cartoon family in cartoon airplanes. I hope HT don't do away with big squads when they get back from.....
But there is a difference between us and other so-called mega-squads. On any given night you may find 10-15 of us online. Most of that time we are about doing our own thing. Unless of course it's drunken base capture nights. :D
We may have a lot of members but we have proven that we do not need numbers to be successful.
Back on topic. I say lower the cap back to 250. Hey, we are just trying to to get you out of the slums and into the prmised land.:lol
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I think they should have arena registration. If you sign up for an arena ( Early, Mid, or Late) you should always be able to get in it. Everyone who has been in the MA before the change should be allowed to be registered in it if they wish. Once it reaches a max load that they feel the server can handle, and new players come along, those people would be denied LW1, and would have to register for LW2.
that kinda sucks.
why pay to be forced into a certain arena? people are too concerned about sticking to the old setup. they are unprepared to give some of the earlier arenas a try, they might just have some fun and learn something new/meet new people.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I think they should have arena registration. If you sign up for an arena ( Early, Mid, or Late) you should always be able to get in it. Everyone who has been in the MA before the change should be allowed to be registered in it if they wish. Once it reaches a max load that they feel the server can handle, and new players come along, those people would be denied LW1, and would have to register for LW2.
Well, that would have the effect of making the new people feel completely unwelcome. Now who else would want to fly in LW2 if it's populated entirely by noobs. It would certainly not help the noobs learn how the game and the community operates.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
........Once it reaches a max load that they feel the server can handle......
I believe it was stated that there wasn't a "technical" problem with the servers that forced the arena change, it was a "game play" problem that forced it.
Should a couple of "mega squads" move into MW arena, or the EW and call it home more people would either follow to fly with friends, or follow to fly against the mega-squad and their land grabbing ways, there by equallizing the arnes and making it possible for EVERYONE to be able to get into ALL the arenas when they wanted. Hold your squad nights in MW, and try and do your land grab. If nobody showes to defend, you win the war !!! If they do show to defend, you could have some great fights. All the while helping the community by spreading out the population. Most of the mega squads have more than one squad night a week, have one night in EW, another in MW, or LW. Spread the fun around !!
Mega squads have a BIG influance on the game, make it a positive one and roam the arenas dealing death and destruction where you CAN, instead of closing down one arena with your numbers on a nightly basis.
Itys up to the community to make the arenas work as they are, because we all know, its NEVER going back! Its up to each of us!
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
why dont some of you guys come to the EW arena instead? it's good fun in there, just needs more pilots :)
Dam Poo took the words right out of my mouth.
:lol
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I believe it was stated that there wasn't a "technical" problem with the servers that forced the arena change, it was a "game play" problem that forced it.
Should a couple of "mega squads" move into MW arena, or the EW and call it home more people would either follow to fly with friends, or follow to fly against the mega-squad and their land grabbing ways, there by equallizing the arnes and making it possible for EVERYONE to be able to get into ALL the arenas when they wanted. Hold your squad nights in MW, and try and do your land grab. If nobody showes to defend, you win the war !!! If they do show to defend, you could have some great fights. All the while helping the community by spreading out the population. Most of the mega squads have more than one squad night a week, have one night in EW, another in MW, or LW. Spread the fun around !!
Mega squads have a BIG influance on the game, make it a positive one and roam the arenas dealing death and destruction where you CAN, instead of closing down one arena with your numbers on a nightly basis.
Itys up to the community to make the arenas work as they are, because we all know, its NEVER going back! Its up to each of us!
Although we are below the 32 person limit and therefore are not a "mega squad" (if that is the definition), on squad nights we've tried the MW arena on several occasions -- only to see that we at times made up 70% of our "country". At those times some would simply cry "milkrunning" and "hording" rather than make any effort to stop us.
You are right, though, that when they do finally up against us it can make for some fun fights (vs. Grim and AkAk et al a couple weekends ago, for example). But that has been more rare than I would have hoped.
We will probably keep bouncing from time to time, but more population = more fun IMHO. Unfortunatley LW is always the winner on that score.
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lower the cap, dont create a new arena when one reaches the cap, and more people will make use of the other arenas
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Originally posted by Ball
lower the cap, dont create a new arena when one reaches the cap, and more people will make use of the other arenas
yeah.
you never know guys, you might just have some fun doing it differently for a change...
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Originally posted by Ball
lower the cap, dont create a new arena when one reaches the cap, and more people will make use of the other arenas
There are more problems with the EW than just numbers right now :rolleyes: Lowering the cap in one arena to force another to fill up is kind of lame though. I have flown in all 3 and it's the LW that I enjoy flying in the most.
I heard right after the change how so many people thought it was a great idea (and I like the changes with the higher caps) and that was the way a majority of players would like it to be. Yet the time since the change has proven that somewhat iffy to say the least. With 3/4's of the customers still in LW mainly it seems many players like the overall aspect of the game versus a pure furball rendition.
Nothing can be done to change that. People being forced into an arena isn't the answer, maybe having guys in the EW and MW setting up some nights for some fun. If you got 50 guys from the boards, and I can name 50 off the top of my head, coupled with the 40ish that are usually in there it would be a blast and I would definately be there.:aok
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speaking entirely from a mega-squads perspective, we are a LW squad and will remain an LW squad, with no disire what so ever to change country's or to fly EW or MW. personaly checked em both out and was not for me. but if that is what you like you should be aloud to fly there with no problems.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
that kinda sucks.
why pay to be forced into a certain arena? people are too concerned about sticking to the old setup. they are unprepared to give some of the earlier arenas a try, they might just have some fun and learn something new/meet new people.
no, the problem is 90% of the community didnt want the change in the first place, they liked the wide range of planes they could bump into, and they liked playing in a 750 people arena....
Id play in EW/MW if it had 200+ people in there, but it doesnt its always empty if i wanted small numbers, i wouldnt pay for AH and i would use H2H arenas
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Originally posted by lazs2
and.... in the fighter arenas.....biggles gives out free cartoon plane flying lessons and he is allways low and slow so you can show him how alt and better planes allways win.
lazs
Public relations Officer for the BK's
yawn :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by belethch
speaking entirely from a mega-squads perspective, we are a LW squad and will remain an LW squad, with no disire what so ever to change country's or to fly EW or MW. personaly checked em both out and was not for me. but if that is what you like you should be aloud to fly there with no problems.
So your saying that if by some bazzare happening everyone left LW and it was just your squad in there you'd be happy and content? I suppose you watch the same 3 channels on TV too. Whats the matter, you afraid your squad would get hammered in the MW arena? Have trouble taking bases without your La7 :huh This statment from above "we are a LW squad and will remain an LW squad, with no disire what so ever to change country's or to fly EW or MW.", sounds like a 12 year old crying about playing in his sandbox! If thats not the way you intended it, I'm sorry I came on a bit strong here. Experament a bit, you might fiind you like trying new things.
E25280, I wouldn't think moving your squad nights to a different arena 1 or 2 times would work out like I stated, but if it happen often enought that people started to take notice, I think you'd see AKAK and friends show up more often to try and smack you guys down! :D It may be a slow process, but I think you'll see it change.
The fun is there, we all just have to work together to find it and to have it! If people stay "set in there ways" nothing would ever evolve and all our cartoon planes would still look like boxes with wings!! Don't be the "stick in the mud" come on out and have some fun with the rest of us!!
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Originally posted by Overlag
no, the problem is 90% of the community didnt want the change in the first place, they liked the wide range of planes they could bump into, and they liked playing in a 750 people arena....
Id play in EW/MW if it had 200+ people in there, but it doesnt its always empty if i wanted small numbers, i wouldnt pay for AH and i would use H2H arenas
it has no one in it, because people like yourself dont log in!!!
next time you log into AH, try logging onto the EW for a bit. see if there are any fights about (you may only find a few guys flying near a base, instead of the LW hordes, but those guys will usually be the more experienced players. you'll get better, more challenging, and most importantly, more FUN fights with these guys, and most of these vets will allow you to RTB for fuel or ammo when you need to [except that dweeb lazs, who tried to chase my hurri 1 around when i ran out of fuel. i had to make him auger to get him to piss off :D:p])
it beats the LW!
log on, see if you can find a few guys duking it out (you might even make a few new friends). i guarantee that if you log on, and stay with some of the few but excellent fights, more guys like yourself will log on, the numbers will rise, and you end up with a fun, less serious, more experienced arena that is more enjoyable to fly in...
try it sometime:aok
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to add on what fugitive said, the whole not changing arenas or countrries thing is so stupid.
why do people have such loyalties to imaginary chess pieces? why MUST they fly late war rides? why do people care about what number rank they are? people really do take this game too seriously, just lighten up and enjoy it a bit more:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
why do people have such loyalties to imaginary chess pieces? why MUST they fly late war rides? why do people care about what number rank they are? people really do take this game too seriously, just lighten up and enjoy it a bit more:rolleyes:
So if i don't fly in EW or MW I take the game too seriously
:noid
I enjoy it just fine though...but thanks :D
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
it has no one in it, because people like yourself dont log in!!!
next time you log into AH, try logging onto the EW for a bit. see if there are any fights about (you may only find a few guys flying near a base, instead of the LW hordes, but those guys will usually be the more experienced players. you'll get better, more challenging, and most importantly, more FUN fights with these guys, and most of these vets will allow you to RTB for fuel or ammo when you need to [except that dweeb lazs, who tried to chase my hurri 1 around when i ran out of fuel. i had to make him auger to get him to piss off :D:p])
it beats the LW!
log on, see if you can find a few guys duking it out (you might even make a few new friends). i guarantee that if you log on, and stay with some of the few but excellent fights, more guys like yourself will log on, the numbers will rise, and you end up with a fun, less serious, more experienced arena that is more enjoyable to fly in...
try it sometime:aok
i did.... last night, didnt you see me say that?
edit: thats the reason for this thread, i was forced to play in EW, MW or LW2, with probably 1 con every 25miles...no fights anywhere, no base capturing, the only thing to do was do some milkrunning.... :huh
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sorry fugitive just being as factual as possible here. but the truth is we did try, didnt like. and decided where we wanted to be. now if every one else left then we would log off, join the other 100 or so c-hawks representing 5 other online games and give them a try. my only point is we love the LW. most if not all of our guys like it there. so we went with the flow of what our guys liked. nothing ment against the other arena's at all. we enjoy the people we fly with and against. yes i talk trash on 200 but get out of that arena. and there is NO ONE on anyside i wouldnt like to fly with. but the fact is this, so no need to be talking about this any more. lets just give things time to see if it grows to the numbers for all arenas to be full.
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So belethch, you don't have a problem with LW being full and locking you and a few of your buddies out. You just go play one of five other games you guys are represented in. I guess stooping to another arena would be wayyyyy to much trouble for you and your friends.
By you and yours, as well as others saying "I like LW and thats where Im going to stay", your taking a possible good time for you and others in other arenas, and just trowing it out the window. So people who will NOT try, or play in the other arenas are killing the fun for others. So instead of helping the community, you saying "screw you"
Thanks :aok
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
E25280, I wouldn't think moving your squad nights to a different arena 1 or 2 times would work out like I stated, but if it happen often enought that people started to take notice, I think you'd see AKAK and friends show up more often to try and smack you guys down! :D It may be a slow process, but I think you'll see it change.
In a way you have just stated what we originally thought -- If we are there, someone will come try to stop us.
Yes, we have only done it "a few times" -- but that is pretty much true for everyone given the changes are only a bit over a month old. We will probably end up there more in the future too. So I won't say we've given up on it.
At any rate, I probably sound too much like I am speaking for the squad, but I am not. (Truth be told, I am probably least qualified to do so because I do not get to play as much as most). I'm just relating my perspective and the few discussions on the subject I have had with others in the squad. I don't think any of us think there is anything wrong with the MWA. It simply is more fun in an arena with more people.
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well that was fun.... LW2, flying around with a perk modifier of 3.4.....hmmmmm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :furious
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Agree, please up the Late War arena.
Im not interested in the other realms and LW2 with 12 players seems pretty absurd.
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yes fugitive i for one would like to see the capped raised, but for me personally, and me only on this, i dont like EW planes, mid would be my choice but there are never anyone there, so that leaves 1 choice that suites my type of play. i'm sorry i dont like the EW planes but its nothing but a furball in there and to me its boring. if you like it thats great just dont try to get others to come to where they dont want to be. dont give me that stuff about evolving. the numbers say it all or this thread would not be up. and no one would be trying to get others in the EW or MW arenas. every one just has to face the facts LW is the type of play the largest majority of the players want. so let them have there enjoyment there way.
and EW furballs aint it. sorry
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All newbies should fly EW for 2 years, then MW for 2 years, then LW for 2 years. After 6 years everyone should move on to motorsports.:D
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Biggles you wouldnt be forced to fly in an arena you could choose the one you like and stick with it. Personally Id rather fly with the guys I know (squad) and kill strangers. Unlike some people in here, I 90% of why I play, and what has kept me flying is the friends I have in the squad. Id just like to see us all be able to continue to fly together.
I would imagine at some point, numbers in an arena would start to affect the performance. Im just saying if that point came, I think it would be nice if the folks who have played the old way together, would be given the chance to continue to do so, and let the new people populate the next arena. You can't miss what ya never had.
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Originally posted by DadRabit
when is ht staff coming back from vacation? :confused:
2 weeks.
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:rofl
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S! repoman
and ty. not see that. i usaly spel goodly.....
S!
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I think it would be nice if the folks who have played the old way together, would be given the chance to continue to do so, and let the new people populate the next arena. You can't miss what ya never had.
Filth, it's time for you to take a vacation. You're occupying space that a real AH1 vet would otherwise be enjoying, so you need to stay in the AvA from now on. Thanks for your cooperation in this matter.
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Originally posted by belethch
speaking entirely from a mega-squads perspective, we are a LW squad and will remain an LW squad, with no disire what so ever to change country's or to fly EW or MW. personaly checked em both out and was not for me. but if that is what you like you should be aloud to fly there with no problems.
Speaking entirely from whatever perspective I feel like at the moment...
squad limits are 32.
Mega-squads shouldn't even exist.
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Originally posted by Overlag
no, the problem is 90% of the community didnt want the change in the first place, they liked the wide range of planes they could bump into, and they liked playing in a 750 people arena....
Id play in EW/MW if it had 200+ people in there, but it doesnt its always empty if i wanted small numbers, i wouldnt pay for AH and i would use H2H arenas
Your too funny ... making up numbers to try and prove a point ... please show us how you attained the 90% number.
they liked the wide range of planes they could bump into
More like ... they can't play without having their late war uber monsters ... if they were to fly the plane sets in the EW or MW they would get their arses handed to them because ...
a) They really can't fight
b) They can't run
c) All of the above
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Mega Squads DON'T exist.
There are some squads with similar names who like to fly together, each of which are under the 32 player limit.
I cant imagine AH2 limiting our freedom to choose who we fly with.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Mega Squads DON'T exist.
There are some squads with similar names who like to fly together, each of which are under the 32 player limit.
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Sim... I can't believe you just had the nerve to actually say that. :huh
They have almost the exact same squad name.
They have the exact same rules.
They fly as 1 herd.
They say they're a mega-squad.
Don't play rules lawyer & semantics to cover the fact that they are willfully, and intentionally playing against the spirit of the rules.
That's exactly why sides don't get evened up and people whine.
I cant imagine AH2 limiting our freedom to choose who we fly with.
Really? We didn't just get population caps with the intention of breaking the current methods of play and distributing the populations across arenas? Isn't this entire thread about people whining because they can't go play in the arena they want?
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Originally posted by belethch
yes fugitive i for one would like to see the capped raised, but for me personally, and me only on this, i dont like EW planes, mid would be my choice but there are never anyone there, so that leaves 1 choice that suites my type of play. i'm sorry i dont like the EW planes but its nothing but a furball in there and to me its boring. if you like it thats great just dont try to get others to come to where they dont want to be. dont give me that stuff about evolving. the numbers say it all or this thread would not be up. and no one would be trying to get others in the EW or MW arenas. every one just has to face the facts LW is the type of play the largest majority of the players want. so let them have there enjoyment there way.
and EW furballs aint it. sorry
MW was the bomb last night ... plenty of fights ... plenty of capture attempts (successful and foiled). Massive numbers does not mean better gameplay. I played in AH1 when 250 people in the MA was unbelievable and was thought that it would be a number that would never be surpassed ... yet we all still managed to have fun.
All these posts about ... "We can only play in the LW arena" just tells me that there are some that can't do without their late war uber monsters and the idea of trying to accomplish their same tasks in EW or MW planes is way to hard for them.
MW has P-38s - P-47s - F4Us - La-5 - 109s - 190s - Spits ... its just that the late war versions are not available ... and when each encounters the other ... their usually is no option to "run" ... I think that is what scares people.
Some of the BKs along with AKDogg even took a base :O ... with ... ya ready for this ... in GVs ... :O :O
If you don't want to play in the EW or MW ... then don't ... but please don't try and justify your choice because of numbers and/or available planes.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Some of the BKs along with AKDogg even took a base :O ... with ... ya ready for this ... in GVs ... :O :O
:huh
(http://www.goodworksonearth.org/hellfrozenover.jpg)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
If you don't want to play in the EW or MW ... then don't ... but please don't try and justify your choice because of numbers and/or available planes.
Why not? Every argument you put forth revolves around some uber late war ride and running when you talk about the LW. Wouldn't the same apply to you when it comes to the LW, if you don't like it then why discuss it and at every chance try to put down anyone who enjoys it in there.
I'm not a runner, come on in and find me...I guarantee I won't run :aok
edit: I was in EW for an hour last night...went to the low side and flew around for 20 minutes looking for someone...anyone...to have one of those great white knuckle fights, found a 38 that wanted to play the rope game for 20 minutes then he left. I logged and went to LW...
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Originally posted by MIShill
2 weeks.
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A Kill has been recorded!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
MW was the bomb last night ... plenty of fights ... plenty of capture attempts (successful and foiled). Massive numbers does not mean better gameplay. I played in AH1 when 250 people in the MA was unbelievable and was thought that it would be a number that would never be surpassed ... yet we all still managed to have fun.
Some of the BKs along with AKDogg even took a base :O ... with ... ya ready for this ... in GVs ... :O :O
s.
OH my Gosh! SlapShot. I just can't wait to see how your PR guy (Laz) puts his spin on this revelation.
I personally love the MW arena and don't care for the LW at all and don't go there except on squad nights.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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no, the problem is 90% of the community didnt want the change in the first place, they liked the wide range of planes they could bump into, and they liked playing in a 750 people arena....
which is exactly the reason why i cancelled my subscription when HTC made the change. LW being full all the time proves the point I made about the change won't work.
Thanks for proving me right HTC :aok
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Hammy, I will tell you that I have had no problems getting into LW1 when I feel like it. Since they upped the cap in there to 390 it has made it alot easier for me to get in....I'm on the East Coast US and usually log in around 7pm est...not sure about your times available though.
Just thought you might like to know.
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It was the change in general rather than the arena cap that forced me to quit.
LW being full all the time proves that that's the way 90% of people wanna play, anything else is just HTC trying to "force" people to play a different way.
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Originally posted by Hammy
It was the change in general rather than the arena cap that forced me to quit.
LW being full all the time proves that that's the way 90% of people wanna play, anything else is just HTC trying to "force" people to play a different way.
The jury is still out on the what appears to be an inflated number of 90% ... Overlag is still trying to ferret out his resources that can back that number up ... or is it just a case of making up a number that attempts to prove one's point in a debate ... I pick the latter.
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I think 75% is a fair number based on arena counts.
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Originally posted by DaPup
I think 75% is a fair number based on arena counts.
I still think that that is a little to high ... but a far cry from 90%.
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Why not raise the cap to 750 for all three arenas for one full tour… If all of the arenas would be available to everyone, after the tour a clearer picture would be available.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Your too funny ... making up numbers to try and prove a point ... please show us how you attained the 90% number.
they liked the wide range of planes they could bump into
More like ... they can't play without having their late war uber monsters ... if they were to fly the plane sets in the EW or MW they would get their arses handed to them because ...
a) They really can't fight
b) They can't run
c) All of the above
hmmm, the lowest ENY plane i fly is 20..... all my planes are flyable in MW. I cant run from anyone in LW. plenty are the same.
However i dont want to fly in a limited arena, i like the unlimited, wide choice of MA... Im 100%sure its the same percentage of people in EACH arena that flys the "uber" planes. IE the hurrIIc probably has the same, if not alot more useage than the nik or La7 does in LW. Hell when i tried EW, all it was was Hurri IIc's everywhere.... might as well call it Hurri IIc arena.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The jury is still out on the what appears to be an inflated number of 90% ... Overlag is still trying to ferret out his resources that can back that number up ... or is it just a case of making up a number that attempts to prove one's point in a debate ... I pick the latter.
i was at work.... not sitting here argueing that my way is the best and only way to fly this game and that anyone else that is different is wrong :rolleyes:
yes it was a number picked out of my head, but when you have 450 people every night playing in the LW arenas, and only a total of 90ish in the other two surely something is wrong..... ok thats not 90% but its pretty dam close. So i guess more pople wanted the split than what didnt? :lol
also notice how the total amount of players playing is down by almost 150..... smart move ;)
edit: i worked it out..... 83% of players was in a LW arena last night....hmmmm:aok
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I don't think it's 90% either but I think 75% is a relatively accurate figure from what I see in my time zone.
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Originally posted by DaPup
I don't think it's 90% either but I think 75% is a relatively accurate figure from what I see in my time zone.
i worked it out...when i had to join LW2 (LW1 was full) last night at 3:30am, 83% of the players was in a LW arena
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Does no one believe that a lot of folks just go whereever the most players are?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Does no one believe that a lot of folks just go whereever the most players are?
Absolutely Hubs, but nothing can change that. All the cries about the LW being "evil" are just trolling in the dark looking to drag some bodies into the dead arenas so they can have more fun they way they like to play the game.
That's cool and the posts make my day at work when I'm bored:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Does no one believe that a lot of folks just go whereever the most players are?
exactly...
the game play is the same in all arenas, the only difference is the population
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Overlag, that doesn't mean the new setup is bad idea. That just means that most of you are cattle, and the disruption of your herding behavior is working as intended.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Overlag, that doesn't mean the new setup is bad idea. That just means that most of you are cattle, and the disruption of your herding behavior is working as intended.
lol, great comeback hubs :rolleyes: try turning left sometime it might open your eyes :aok
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Overlag, that doesn't mean the new setup is bad idea. That just means that most of you are cattle, and the disruption of your herding behavior is working as intended.
so the plan was to piss off people?
sure everyone has got what they wanted now, we have EW MA, MW MA and LW MA.... the only problem is LW MA has a too low cap, which means people cant get in once primetime hits.
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I guess being around when the arena population was much lower than it is now has jaded me a bit. We were able to have fun, large squads, missions, fights, land grab, resets, etc with half the number of players we have now. I just don't understand how you guys can't play the same game and do the same things, and have some kind of fun without an extra 300 guys logged in.
You liked the MA of a few months ago, which I hated. I like the new setup, which you hate. It's fine that you have an opinion that is contrary to mine; that's what fuels discussions. However, claiming to speak for a majority, pulling numbers out of thin air and inferring that they're fact... You're pretty much a British Krusty. You're pissed off about something, and now you're trying to find some way to support your position, even if you have to make something up. Maybe it's time to just accept the reality of things as they are now, and either play the game and have fun, or cancel your account and go find something else to do.
With regards to HTC's goals and intents, they've been posted. I might suggest actually reading them, were I still in the dark about the changes.
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I've been around awhile Hubs, I have no complaints about the changes at all since the caps have been raised. I've mentioned in numerous posts that all 3 arenas are fun and if it lets some people play the way they like then it accomplished alot.
It seems to be the guys from EW and MW pushing the buttons to me, they seem to be the ones who can't seem to grasp that the changes are what they are. There is plenty of running, vulching, hoing, picking, hordeing, ganging and milking going on in those arenas but all i see is a few babies crying about the LW still...if you don't play in there and don't like it then who cares?
I can't figure out why some that say they don't play in or like the LW insist they know everything about it's play mentality
:rolleyes:
We were able to have fun, large squads, missions, fights, land grab, resets, etc with half the number of players we have now.
These are the same things that some people say doesn't belong in their version of the game :aok
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Originally posted by DaPup
I've been around awhile Hubs, I have no complaints about the changes at all since the caps have been raised. I've mentioned in numerous posts that all 3 arenas are fun and if it lets some people play the way they like then it accomplished alot.
It seems to be the guys from EW and MW pushing the buttons to me, they seem to be the ones who can't seem to grasp that the changes are what they are. There is plenty of running, vulching, hoing, picking, hordeing, ganging and milking going on in those arenas but all i see is a few babies crying about the LW still...if you don't play in there and don't like it then who cares?
I can't figure out why some that say they don't play in or like the LW insist they know everything about it's play mentality
:rolleyes:
These are the same things that some people say doesn't belong in their version of the game :aok
Okay, and what, exactly, does this have do with me?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You liked the MA of a few months ago, which I hated. I like the new setup, which you hate.
With regards to HTC's goals and intents, they've been posted. I might suggest actually reading them, were I still in the dark about the changes.
i dont hate the new setup, stop talking for me..... the new setup is just the same as before except MA's cap is too small.
what was HTC goals? all i heard was them saying MA was broken and needed to be fixed :huh yet MA is still here, going strong and if you count the size of the maps, theres MORE people per sector now, than there was with the old MA.
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I personally prefer MW best but end up having to go to LW to find someone to play against/with...
What I have seen though it seems that the higher HT raises the cap on LW the more LA-7's and Spit-16's I see and get ganged by.. Don't know if this is the case or if I'm just seeing things or maybe that people flew in EW and MW for a bit and found that there are other planes than the uber rides then slowly reverted back to the old way.?
Anyway if there was a way to get more people to go to mid I would be there most of the time.
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Personally I think the LW arena has become the NEWB arena. 75% of the pilots I run into in there are either Ho'rs, hit and runners or gangers or all of the above,lol. I rather fly the MW arena because it seems the pilots in there know how to fly!
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Anyway if there was a way to get more people to go to mid I would be there most of the time.
exact same with me too.
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Originally posted by MwDogg
Personally I think the LW arena has become the NEWB arena. 75% of the pilots I run into in there are either Ho'rs, hit and runners or gangers or all of the above,lol.
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by MwDogg
I rather fly the MW arena because it seems the pilots in there know how to fly!
the more players in there, the more often you will see the "NEWB arena style"
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Oh, my bad. The LW cap's too low, LW2 sucks, no one flies in EW, no one flies in MW, 150 people quit playing, 90% of us want the old MA back, it's not fair because you can't log in to the LW, and EW should be called the Hurri2C arena, but other than that, you love the new setup. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Okay, and what, exactly, does this have do with me?
Not sure, you would have to answer that for me. You seem to be replying to posts and if I have misunderstood that your replies were directed towards me then I apologize unless of course my post hit too close to home.
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The jury is still out on the what appears to be an inflated number of 90% ... Overlag is still trying to ferret out his resources that can back that number up ... or is it just a case of making up a number that attempts to prove one's point in a debate ... I pick the latter.
sorry slapshot, let me re word what i said...........
LW being full all the time proves that that's the way THE MAJORITY of people wanna play, anything else is just HTC trying to "force" people to play a different way.
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It seems to be the guys from EW and MW pushing the buttons to me, they seem to be the ones who can't seem to grasp that the changes are what they are. There is plenty of running, vulching, hoing, picking, hordeing, ganging and milking going on in those arenas but all i see is a few babies crying about the LW still...if you don't play in there and don't like it then who cares?
Hmmmm ... I see it from a different point of view.
I have seen numerous posts from the LW crowd asking for HT to get rid of the EW and MW and restore the old MA. The posts are now about the CAP in LW ... I have yet to voice a counter-opinion as to that request ... up the CAP ... I could care less ... just don't touch EW and MW.
Yes ... the running, vulching, hoing, picking, hordeing, ganging and milking is still part of all the arenas ... I just see a lot less milking in MW and if I can get a couple of other guys to up with me ... we usually spoil their attempts, which sometimes turns into an ongoing battle (like the old MA) which is perfect. Vulching, hoing, picking, hordeing, and ganging is usually the exception in MW as opposed to the rule ... from what I have seen and encountered.
I can't figure out why some that say they don't play in or like the LW insist they know everything about it's play mentality
You have got to remember that some of us have been around for quite some time too ... so we all know too well what the LW/MA "play mentality" is/was ... so we can speak to it.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
I personally prefer MW best but end up having to go to LW to find someone to play against/with...
What I have seen though it seems that the higher HT raises the cap on LW the more LA-7's and Spit-16's I see and get ganged by.. Don't know if this is the case or if I'm just seeing things or maybe that people flew in EW and MW for a bit and found that there are other planes than the uber rides then slowly reverted back to the old way.?
Anyway if there was a way to get more people to go to mid I would be there most of the time.
Give it some time and give it a try ... the MW (which I fly in the most) is becoming populated with what appears to be a "regular" crowd and an excellent bunch of people to fly with or against. I have had more fun in the MW in the last week than I have had in the last year and a half in the MA.
I tell ya a secret (don't tell Lazs) but I have participated in more capture attempts in the MW than I have in the MA in the last 2 years ... the captures in the MW (for the most part) are more entertaining and fun ... get about 5 to 10 guys and go for it ... when they start upping 5 or more ... it becomes a battle and the capture then requires more effort and coordination ... which to me is more fun. When a field capture gets to the point of waiting in line for a vulch ... thats when I leave and find something else to do.
If you are waiting around and others are waiting too ... guess what ... it won't happen.
I must add that the map is the all determining variable in MW ... if the wrong map is up ... well ... gameplay sucks, but I will still try to make the best of it. I will wait patiently for those (Clifra, etc) who are putting forth the efforts to make new maps for all us freeloaders.
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Originally posted by Hammy
sorry slapshot, let me re word what i said...........
LW being full all the time proves that that's the way THE MAJORITY of people wanna play, anything else is just HTC trying to "force" people to play a different way.
Can't argue with the "MAJORITY" claim ... LW is the most populated ... but ... HT did not "force" myself and all the others who have made the EW and MW our homes in Aces High. He gave us an option that has renewed the game for me and I am sure others too ... for that ... HT is a PUT ... um GOD !!!
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Slap, I respect your opinion. I have seen one thread asking for cap increase in LW, maybe I have missed some.
Milking will happen in all arenas I agree so why would some insist that it's the way only LW guys play, I take exception to that since i play in there.
You have got to remember that some of us have been around for quite some time too ... so we all know too well what the LW/MA "play mentality" is/was ... so we can speak to it.
I guess my point there would be that if you don't like it in there and you don't want to play in there then why do people care what goes on in there so much? Not you specifically but many others who can't seem to go a post with flaming on the LW.
I'll try to spend more time in MW, you're right that if we wait until it begins to fill up it might never get to that point.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I tell ya a secret (don't tell Lazs) but I have participated in more capture attempts in the MW than I have in the MA in the last 2 years ... the captures in the MW (for the most part) are more entertaining and fun ... get about 5 to 10 guys and go for it ... when they start upping 5 or more ... it becomes a battle and the capture then requires more effort and coordination ... which to me is more fun.
That's what I've been saying! :aok Welcome, Slapshot, to the land of boring toolshedding. ;)
Oops, I said that too loud.
Hopefully, the numbers will improve so that it happens more often!
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Originally posted by DaPup
Not sure, you would have to answer that for me. You seem to be replying to posts and if I have misunderstood that your replies were directed towards me then I apologize unless of course my post hit too close to home.
"What does this have to do with me?" is the only statement I've made that is directed at you.
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Hubs, I apologize. the posts that have been spewed by both sides of the coin seems to have gotten out of control. I in no way meant to antagonize you, or anyone else, in my posts.
I'm just tired of reading that anyone who actually likes the LW has to be a certain kind of player. It's so far from the truth to be laughable.
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Can't argue with the "MAJORITY" claim ... LW is the most populated ... but ... HT did not "force" myself and all the others who have made the EW and MW our homes in Aces High. He gave us an option that has renewed the game for me and I am sure others too ... for that ... HT is a PUT ... um GOD !!!
wasn't referring to you personally slap, but those who want to fly in the LW when the cap has been reached are forced to fly in other arenas, just my take on things.
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Originally posted by 68slayr
Would teh 68th Lightning Lancers a mega squad?:p
No, just mega-targets.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by E25280
That's what I've been saying! :aok Welcome, Slapshot, to the land of boring toolshedding. ;)
Oops, I said that too loud.
Hopefully, the numbers will improve so that it happens more often!
LOL ... I cut my teeth in one of the finest base-taking squads in the history of Aces High ... the MAW ... and believe it or not (again ... don't tell Lazs) ... I was the CO of the 3rd MAW Blacksheep Squad ... the MAW also had 3 wings of 32 and would be considered a mega-squad.
The difference was that the MAW looked for conflict ... milkrunning was not part of our makeup ... we even announced where we were going next in the hopes that other squads .. especially the AKs would come and try to stop us.
I know all too well how to take a base and most of the base taking attempts that I have participated in the past couple of years ... are laughable at best ... can you say ... Fluster Cuck ?
I can say that I will look for interesting base captures in the MW and partake in them ... if its not too outta hand.
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Originally posted by Hammy
wasn't referring to you personally slap, but those who want to fly in the LW when the cap has been reached are forced to fly in other arenas, just my take on things.
Hammy ... if you and others would sit back and look at the plane set that is offered in MW ... ya might be surprised.
There is no La-7 ... but the La-5 is there.
There is no P-51-D ... but the P-51-B is there.
There is no P-38-L ... but the P-38-G and J are there.
There is no P-47-N ... but the P-47-D11 is there.
There is no F-4U-C ... but the F-4U-1 is there.
There is no N1K ... but the Ki-67 is there.
There is no Spit XIV ... but the rest of the Spits are there.
There is no 190-D ... but there are 190s there.
There is no 109 blah ... but there are 109s there.
There is no 262 ... oh well.
There is no 163 ... oh well.
There is a Tiger there.
Think about it ... the difference between MW and LW is that the super-uber drag machines are really all that is missing ... so what is it that LW fans can't enjoy in MW if there is no LW option ?
What is really great about the MW is that there isn't a great difference in speed (except the La-5) between the planes used ... so the "run" option is for all intents and purposes eliminated ... hence, for the most part ... you HAVE to fight ... is that what scares people from coming into the MW ?
In the past two weeks, I have had more fights ... yes drag down drag out fights ... with 190s and 109s than I had in the MA in the past two years. Why is that ? ... one reason is that they couldn't run away and here is the best part ... they actually WANTED to fight ... zOMFGz ... actual aggressive attacks ... last memorable fights in the MW against German Iron was with Gespenst ... he is aggressive and flys very well ... I had a blast and a whole new appreciation for German Iron. Prior experiences always brought the thought of ... run-90 and run-09 to the forefront ... no so true in MW.
What I have seen and experienced in the MW is that the FIGHT is main gig ... everything else is secondary and only adds a cherry to the top of MW fun.
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slap, before i cancelled my subscription i played the EW and MW almost exclusively and i enjoyed it immensely so I'm not knocking them at all. I was miffed because the change was so drastic and without warning.
When i tried to voice my opinion i was constantly slapped down by HTC and majority of my posts were deleted (unfairly IMHO). So thats when i decided that HTC's customer relations wern't to my liking and refused to line their pockets any longer, therefore cancelling my subscription.
The fact that the "majority" of players are flying in LW (old MA style gameplay) proves to me that HTC's decision wasn't quite in touch with the "majority" of his paying "patronages" idea of change.
I'm all for a freedom of choice and now you have it, but the low cap on LW is still "dictating" matters to his paying "patronage" and this irks me.
Bythe way, "patronage" is HTC's wording not mine, i prefer to read patronise.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
LOL ... I cut my teeth in one of the finest base-taking squads in the history of Aces High ... the MAW ... and believe it or not (again ... don't tell Lazs) ... I was the CO of the 3rd MAW Blacksheep Squad ... the MAW also had 3 wings of 32 and would be considered a mega-squad.
The difference was that the MAW looked for conflict ... milkrunning was not part of our makeup ... we even announced where we were going next in the hopes that other squads .. especially the AKs would come and try to stop us.
I know all too well how to take a base and most of the base taking attempts that I have participated in the past couple of years ... are laughable at best ... can you say ... Fluster Cuck ?
I can say that I will look for interesting base captures in the MW and partake in them ... if its not too outta hand.
Thanks for the bio – I had no idea your background was so . . . um . . . extensive. :)
I was not so naive as to think you had never done it before. My post was more a reaction stemming from the unfortunate assertion by some that participating in the base-capture aspect is by definition trying to avoid a fight. I have always said that was a silly assumption, and that the base gives an object to fight over rather than simply fight. To me, having something to fight over helps makes it interesting, and introduces little things like "teamwork" that are usually absent in the furball-for-furballs-sake.
To see someone else express a similar view (that base capture can lead to fun fights), especially someone more generally associated with “the other side of the fence", was really refreshing.
Thanks. We can now return to the regularly-scheduled name-calling. :lol
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Hammy : Your post were never deleted for voiceing your opinion. Your post were deleted for not adhearing to the bbs rules.
HiTech
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Gespenst ... he is aggressive and flys very well
I meet this guy at alt , twice in LW :) He kicked my bellybutton both times I privte messaged him after the second time and told HIM
"That he was the best 110 driver I have flown against yet in AH"
Never meant up with him before , gave me another reason to worry when I see a 110 up high .
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Sorry back to your discussion .
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To me, having something to fight over helps makes it interesting, and introduces little things like "teamwork" that are usually absent in the furball-for-furballs-sake.
When multiple BKs are in the same furball ... the squad vox is overloaded with "teamwork" trying to work/help each other ... as of late, in the MW, range vox in a furball has been a great help with most participants calling out for help or coming in to help or describing situations.
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Originally posted by airspro
I meet this guy at alt , twice in LW :) He kicked my bellybutton both times I privte messaged him after the second time and told HIM
"That he was the best 110 driver I have flown against yet in AH"
Never meant up with him before , gave me another reason to worry when I see a 110 up high .
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Sorry back to your discussion .
Well ... I was lucky enough to beat him in the few fights we had ... but not by much ... and when it was all over ... my palms were sweaty and my heart was beating like a train ... thats what its all about for me ... win or lose.
PS ... another 110 pilot to fear is Mn7 ... haven't seen him in awhile but that dude can make a 110 dance.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
What is really great about the MW is that there isn't a great difference in speed (except the La-5) between the planes used ... so the "run" option is for all intents and purposes eliminated ... hence, for the most part ... you HAVE to fight ... is that what scares people from coming into the MW ?
F4u-1 I believe will catch a la5 in level flight at any alt. May take awhile but it will catch it.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The difference was that the MAW looked for conflict ... milkrunning was not part of our makeup ... we even announced where we were going next in the hopes that other squads .. especially the AKs would come and try to stop us.
Hehehe...I remember the time when a few RR Czlanders squads teamed up with the MAWs to take over the FR Pac arena on AW and then later on Big Pac. That was great fun watching the FR guys whine about a bunch of RR vagabonds ruining their fun.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Hammy ... if you and others would sit back and look at the plane set that is offered in MW ... ya might be surprised.
There is no La-7 ... but the La-5 is there.
There is no P-51-D ... but the P-51-B is there.
There is no P-38-L ... but the P-38-G and J are there.
There is no P-47-N ... but the P-47-D11 is there.
There is no F-4U-C ... but the F-4U-1 is there.
There is no N1K ... but the Ki-67 is there. I think you meant to say KI-61 :) and one of my favorite planes I might add.
There is no Spit XIV ... but the rest of the Spits are there.
There is no 190-D ... but there are 190s there.
There is no 109 blah ... but there are 109s there.
There is no 262 ... oh well.
There is no 163 ... oh well.
There is a Tiger there.
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Hammy : Your post were never deleted for voiceing your opinion. Your post were deleted for not adhearing to the bbs rules.
hmmmm i see many others who post here overstep the mark many times , but don't see their posts deleted unless they are balatant.
What i said in my posts were no different to the way they voice their opinions in a non blatant way.
On this HT, we will just have to agree to disagree
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hammy, look at what they done now :eek:
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Saw it :p
Host change is a positive step in the right direction but still forces paying patrons into arenas they dont want to be in.
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Originally posted by Hammy
Saw it :p
Host change is a positive step in the right direction but still forces paying patrons into arenas they dont want to be in.
how so?
splitting MA into 3 arenas was bad, but now we have the posibility of 6, arenas, 4 empty ones, and 2 with 150 during absolute peak of prime.
so we have gone from a 750 player game, to 100.
people didnt want to join EW or MW because its hard to find anyone when there is only 20 per side, and now its getting forced on LW too? hmm :huh
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but the caps are being raised thats the main thing.
I believe if HT has 2000 people on his books, his servers should be able to cater for them 2000 even if they all want to be in the same arena at the same time.
Anything else is not getting what you are really paying for.
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ROFL: Can just see everone in the US making a phone call all at exatly the same time.
Or everyone at a foot ball game trying to use the head at exatly the same time.
Or everyone in one town turning on sprinklers, continously flushing tolites while running taps all at the same time.
I.E I do not realy buy into your
"Anything else is not getting what you are really paying for"
argument. And realy do not belive you do either.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
ROFL: Can just see everone in the US making a phone call all at exatly the same time.
Or everyone at a foot ball game trying to use the head at exatly the same time.
Or everyone in one town turning on sprinklers, continously flushing tolites while running taps all at the same time.
I.E I do not realy buy into your
"Anything else is not getting what you are really paying for"
argument. And realy do not belive you do either.
HiTech
exactly, so why do you want so many empty arenas? its not as if all 2000 (or whatever it maybe) will be joining the gaming servers at the same time. and thats something YOU've just said yourself... so why the need for so many MA's?
I mean what has happened to TOD, what has happened to plane updates? Why has changing around the servers been such a top priority all of a sudden?
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I.E I do not realy buy into your "Anything else is not getting what you are really paying for"
argument. And realy do not belive you do either.
You dont know me sir and i mean everything i say.
Your arguments merely point out that by "chance" not everyone does do things at exactly the same time, this is what you rely on, but by "chance" if all your paying patrons happened to log on at the exact same time, You couldnt deliver the service they pay for.
I don't disagree with the concept of your change.
I did'nt like the way it was done, granted.
I dont agree with forcing people to play a certain way.
I may be wrong , and i probably am, but, i'm of the opinion that you are now papering over the cracks that are appearing.
Again, we will have to agree to disagree
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So in a nutshell we are basiclly forced into going into LW2. Nice real nice. Wondering how there was a 120 cap on LW1 with 131 people in it. Itried to get in with the rest of my squad and ended up in LW2. Maybe i am just a dumb'ol fireman but i wonder if subscrition price is gonna go down soon.:cry
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Maybe i am just a dumb'ol fireman but i wonder if subscrition price is gonna go down soon.
lol, i doubt this very much
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Hammy: You design to the worst case probable to how many people can be on at once.
Let say the current peek usage is around 700.
Currently our hardware can support around 3000 people on at the same time.
Design absolut max in one arena is 1000.
I.E. we are well above the proabable.
HiTech
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Design absolut max in one arena is 1000.
I.E. we are well above the proabable.
Then why the need for low arena caps and forcing people into arenas they dont want to be in?
Make the LW cap 1000 and the other 200 will split between the rest.
As you say, 3000 on at one time won't happen so whats the problem?
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Hammy: I have answered that question, in may forms and many ways. Please just re read my longer post on the whys.
It is all about comunity dynamics when they pass a certain number of people in one place.
HiTech
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It is all about comunity dynamics when they pass a certain number of people in one place.
basically you want to force people to play a different way then?
Why don't you just come out and say it?
By the way, i'm NOT looking for a fight, just some honesty ;)
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Originally posted by Hammy
basically you want to force people to play a different way then?
Why don't you just come out and say it?
By the way, i'm NOT looking for a fight, just some honesty ;)
Originally posted by hitech
What Im after is arenas with 200 - 300 players in them.
I have listed many resones why I am after this.
I do not realy care what type (i.e EW MW LW) of arena you wish to fly in.
2nd to accomplish this , the "Herd mentality" must be change to , this is the arena I fly in with my squad.
HiTech
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Originally posted by Gary26
So in a nutshell we are basiclly forced into going into LW2. Nice real nice. Wondering how there was a 120 cap on LW1 with 131 people in it. Itried to get in with the rest of my squad and ended up in LW2. Maybe i am just a dumb'ol fireman but i wonder if subscrition price is gonna go down soon.:cry
exactly
there are SOOOOO many free games out there, that you cant really complain about when they change things because..... so what, you are not paying for it... However WE are.... we are paying ALOT of money to fly in a game we enjoy, and in the last month HT have thrown two very very strange Oddballs into the mix, with virtually no explanation on why they are doing it, other than "MA was broken" or "we are planning ahead for more customers".
why is it, that all of a sudden, the game they created and has been flying with a 600, then 700 cap for SOOOOO long all of a sudden is broken if the population is over 200? What all of a sudden changed? Why haven't we noticed the changes? a gradual change in direction would have caused a lot less "issues" and a lot less loss of customer satisfaction, however we have gone down 1/2, then down 1/2 again, in just over a month. This kind of change is almost unheard of in gaming history.
Why did the "vision" or the goals of this game completely swap ends of the scale? When it first started (or rather when i first started) the idea of the game was a world war II combat Sim. The arena grew, and soon, large maps created to take up these numbers, and the "front lines" went from 2 or 3 bases to over 10 in some cases. This meant there was many battles to be found, with many different people, and many different styles.
If you didn't like what was happening at A1, you could move to A120 or something, and join in there. Large maps, with large populations meant that "missions" took off and didn't reduce numbers too much on the front to cause issues with defence... IE we used to get 20 bombers (formations) into the air, to bomb strat, and make ANOTHER part of the game, the anti buff missions then started to happen, and more fun could be had by all.
I remember one mission i encountered is where country 1 (i cant remember what side i was on, so I'm country 2 in this recall on memories) launched a huge bomber raid at 2 strat targets deep within country 2's lands on trinity... For those newbies that have never seen it, trinity is a huge map, with big seas between the countries, and they all meet in the middle. on spotting the dar bar, i upped a 190a8 to see what it was.
On finding it, i reported back, and my squad (VMF323 at the time.... all quit the game now....hmm) plus many others (i think whels and 68 guys came up) started a mission of fighters and we all attacked at the buffs at the same time. This mission, and counter mission lasted almost 2hours and its exactly what i thought Aces High was about, WWII combat sim.
However now, with only 60 players per side, these sort of events are history, the only place to find proper team work would be in the special events arenas for events like BOB, or Berlin campaigns etc. or maybe TOD. and that's another thing, TOD has been talked about for YEARS and YEARS, and still nothing has come of it, and that is probably why MA got stale.....Maybe instead of removing parts of the game, adding parts would be more productive?
The game seems to be getting closer and closer to a "WWII *FIGHTER* combat sim", with fuel porking, HQ hitting etc etc a thing of the past, and now there's talk from some players that want bombers to run around on cruise all day, and only gun with 1 gun at a time...
right now missions and team work are shunned upon as being suicidal hordes taking undefended bases, but really the problem lies with the defender... Counter defence missions used to happen, now people come to the BBS, or ch200 and moan about the horde taking undefended bases... Why is that?
There's loads of other points Ive surely missed, but i think that little essay is enough for this post....:lol
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What Im after is arenas with 200 - 300 players in them.
but this ISN'T what the majority of the paying customers want.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, dont you change a product to what the paying "patronage" want to make a product successful?
Here's a hypothetical question for you based on your reasoning...............
Say you went to dodge to buy a dodge viper but they were restricted to only being able to drive at 55mph because they wanted it that way, then went to Chevrolet and saw a dodge viper that was unrestricted in any way, Which one would you buy?
I already know the answer;) :aok
All I see happening is the product being changed, tweaked, re-tweaked to try and keep the "paying" customer "paying" but its all heading in the same direction that the game was at before they implemented the change but with 2 new arenas and a split that the majority don't want.
I'm not a whizz kid businessman but i recognise bad business practice when I see it.;)
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and hitech.... u may hate me for this, but i dont think im being too insulting in saying......
Aces High II is a MASSIVE multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
that the word MASSIVE doesnt really belong on the feature page anymore. maybe just large? :(
dont take this post the wrong way :o
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Jeez you guys sound like drug addicts. If your that miserable, quit playing. It's just a GAME after all. Heaven forbid your 14.95 goes somewhere else then.
Is it just possible that HTC is trying to expand the fun for everyone not just the 'mob'.
Is it possible they have longer range goals then just trying to please what sound to be a bunch of 9 year olds who've been told to go to bed before they want to?
Last I checked HTC owns the company and they'll no doubt work towards an improved product in the long run.
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120 cap....Dont like it at all, dont want to go to the areas that have 49 people in it. Didnt when the max was 750 , dont now. Those ew mw arenas are for people that have there own little thing going on, which is fine, but not for me. If I remember right when the max was higher, I still did not see people run to the arenas that had 50 people, most all seemed to fly in the arena that had the most action going on.
Keep the ew mw arenas just up the numbers on the lw so we whiners have a place to crowd into and horde ourselves to death if we want.
Has nothing to do with the 14.95 I pay, if this game was FREE I still would not like it! I May just feel i have no room to say anything about changes made "if it was free", but it's not.
I dont care what everyone flys , if everyone did fly spits and la7 so what? How can that be a factor? If people Dont want to fly against them type planes thats there choice, they dont scare me, booo.
Now If I log on to fly see the main arena is full now i dont go to the arena with 22-20- 20 people, boring!! , i log off.
Does'nt it say in there advertisment , " fly with 100's of people from all over the world" (but at the end it says in small print) of course spread out over 5 arenas. :)
Why break up our happy home that housed several hundred crazed wild online happy go lucky pilots?
PS i get more lost udp switch to tcp crap now more then ever. :( then having to relog to get a stable connection hoping i get back into the arena i was in. :(
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HiTech
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Guppy whilst i appreciate you have an opinion the same as myself and are as entitled to voice it as i am mine, perhaps you should check facts before you speak.
I did cancel my subscription and my 14.95 stays in my pocket.
Now on your opinions..................... .....
Is it just possible that HTC is trying to expand the fun for everyone not just the 'mob'.
yes, but for mob read "majority". Even in elections the "majority" usually win, isn't that the democratic and "american" way?
Is it possible they have longer range goals then just trying to please what sound to be a bunch of 9 year olds who've been told to go to bed before they want to?
9 year olds? on what facts do you base this assumption? (starting to sound like slapshot :aok )
And yes, The game does belong to HTC.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Jeez you guys sound like drug addicts. If your that miserable, quit playing. It's just a GAME after all. Heaven forbid your 14.95 goes somewhere else then.
Huzza! Huzza! The day $15 bucks becomes 'a lot' of money, I need to stop flying AH. My only gripe is that 2 hours every Sunday just isn't enough.
I often think the protracted debate over arena changes is indicitive of the bad part of what HiTech called 'comunity dynamics' and what happens when folks get used to said dynamic.
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Maybe the shreaking and whining? That sounds awful 9 year-oldish to me.
;)
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Originally posted by Stang
Maybe the shreaking and whining? That sounds awful 9 year-oldish to me.
;)
its because they took my big dummy away and only gave me 2 little ones :cry
:rofl
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Maybe the shreaking and whining? That sounds awful 9 year-oldish to me
And who is doing these things?
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Gezz my post worked that fast ? lw is up to 220 now? lmao :) another 7 post and we'll be back up to 700. hehe :)
Power to the Post!!!!! hehe!
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Hardware has never been a problem at HTC, they have worked very hard keeping the best set-up they can right along.
The problem was the game play, or "community dynamics" of the 700+ arenas. Yes HTC is trying to push/force players into a different style/way of playing because they saw that with the 700+ arenas the game had a cancer and was killing itself. The community could not, or would not police it self to prosper so changes had to be made. Seeing as the "game" is their main source of income :) they had to make changes "for the good of the game", and their livelyhood :)
To use Hammy dodge idea, you go to buy the new viper, but they changed the fenders, the thing rides like a truck no matter how fast it goes. Well if you don't like it, DON'T BUY IT! It seems a Majority of the people, while many may not love the changes made in the game, are still PLAYING, while only a few.... a vast MINORITY are still complaining about it.
I belive HTC has made a decision on which direction they MUST have the game go if it is to survive and prosper. No amount of crying and complaining is going to change it.
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Hardware has never been a problem at HTC, they have worked very hard keeping the best set-up they can right along.
The problem was the game play, or "community dynamics" of the 700+ arenas. Yes HTC is trying to push/force players into a different style/way of playing because they saw that with the 700+ arenas the game had a cancer and was killing itself. The community could not, or would not police it self to prosper so changes had to be made. Seeing as the "game" is their main source of income :) they had to make changes "for the good of the game", and their livelyhood :)
To use Hammy dodge idea, you go to buy the new viper, but they changed the fenders, the thing rides like a truck no matter how fast it goes. Well if you don't like it, DON'T BUY IT! It seems a Majority of the people, while many may not love the changes made in the game, are still PLAYING, while only a few.... a vast MINORITY are still complaining about it.
I belive HTC has made a decision on which direction they MUST have the game go if it is to survive and prosper. No amount of crying and complaining is going to change it.
but what is this cancer you speak of? If people are having fun then fine.... the first split didn't go down well, but at least the choice was there. the ones not having fun, "fled" to EW or MW and the ones that didn't think it was broken carried on enjoying themselves in LW, the new MA.
however LW again was attacked, and ripped apart and its bugging me why we... the majority of the gaming population are getting attacked so much, because apparently this isnt the way to play the game anymore? are we not suppose to be having fun anymore?
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Personally I think he got rid of the cancer when they all left to go to the ew and mw arenas. I've had no problems or complaints about LW since the first change and the caps in all arenas was upped.
This won't get any more people in ew or mw than there was before. We will merely have 2 lw's with 200+ in each and ew and mw limping along with under 100.
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HT would never have done this if he hadn't concluded that 1 large massive arena was diminishing new subscriber growth
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Give it some time and give it a try ... the MW (which I fly in the most) is becoming populated with what appears to be a "regular" crowd and an excellent bunch of people to fly with or against. I have had more fun in the MW in the last week than I have had in the last year and a half in the MA.
As my daughter might have said...."well, duh!" This is exactly what smaller arenas accomplish. You get to know the crowd, regardless of what side you're on. You don't mind switching sides to even things out, because you know everyone who's there. It's "Cheers" come to AH2.
- oldman (we've known this in AvA for years) (years, I say)
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Originally posted by Overlag
but what is this cancer you speak of?
Playing in the MA became, at least for me, about as entertaining as playing an offline sim against mid-90's AI. There were very few recognizable faces in a sea of strangers. That meant no rivalries and no real competition against recognizable people. It built an environment where noobies were left pretty much to their own devices, and given that online games tend to have a base subscriber turnover, that leads to the degradation of player skills and game play, the evolution of the lemming horde and an increase in subscriber turnover. In that scenario you eventually wind up with hordes of hispanos lifting from fields, flying straight at the oppo, HOing them, reupping, etc, ad nauseum - oh, wait that WAS the MA.
Smaller arenas means the faces become recognizable again. People start competing against people again instead of shooting down faceless/nameless *toons*, so individual tactics get better. Getting a kill is a competition won instead of a repetitive activity. Rivalries will build between players and squadrons. Beating the crap out of the other sides will become fun and the whole point of playing instead of a being just the means to change an unpopular terrain, so group tactics and strategies get better.
One thing that amazed me in AW with it's multiple ETO arenas were the people who spent their game time trying to get into an already full arena instead of heading off to another to actually play the game. For awhile there, there'd be one full arena and several others with just a few in each and a bunch of people banging their heads against a wall trying to get into the full one. After a couple of months there were several mostly full arenas. The same will happen here.
asw
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slap, you and laz continue to insult people that don't play the game your way as toolsheders, horde etc etc then you laugh in our faces when HT bows down and completely changes the vision and goals of this game into 100% FT.
You then sit there trying to wind people up further, when people are already pretty pissed off when the game they used to call a massive multi-player WWII combat experience is now a mediocre WWII free for all fighter game.
you then go on telling us to quit if you don't like it...... So why didn't you? if you thought MA was "broken" 1 month ago why didn't YOU leave? no, you and laz whined about it also, infact laz is STILL whining he isnt having fun...hmm.
If you guys liked playing in empty arenas then fine, we still had our fun with mini-MA but HT then changed it AGAIN and now the only good time to play this game is 3-5am mytime when the servers have 200 people in them, during the day theres more players in a IL2 arena, but i didnt WANT a fighter game, i wanted a fighter, bomber and GV game.
Fantastic, i hope you are having fun in your FT ganging the newbies on the deck, but most of the community thought this game was a WWII combat sim not just a fighter game like IL2:FB/PF.
Reducing the usable numbers in this game is removing things like big bomber raids, and escort missions, its also removing the fun for those involved in these, now we all have to play in FT which would get very old after about 30minutes.
anyway im glad the ball is on your side of the fence now.:noid
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Originally posted by Overlag
slap, you and laz continue to insult people that don't play the game your way as toolsheders, horde etc etc then you laugh in our faces when HT bows down and completely changes the vision and goals of this game into 100% FT.
You then sit there trying to wind people up further, when people are already pretty pissed off when the game they used to call a massive multi-player WWII combat experience is now a mediocre WWII free for all fighter game.
you then go on telling us to quit if you don't like it...... So why didn't you? if you thought MA was "broken" 1 month ago why didn't YOU leave? no, you and laz whined about it also, infact laz is STILL whining he isnt having fun...hmm.
If you guys liked playing in empty arenas then fine, we still had our fun with mini-MA but HT then changed it AGAIN and now the only good time to play this game is 3-5am mytime when the servers have 200 people in them, during the day theres more players in a IL2 arena, but i didnt WANT a fighter game, i wanted a fighter, bomber and GV game.
Fantastic, i hope you are having fun in your FT ganging the newbies on the deck, but most of the community thought this game was a WWII combat sim not just a fighter game like IL2:FB/PF.
Reducing the usable numbers in this game is removing things like big bomber raids, and escort missions, its also removing the fun for those involved in these, now we all have to play in FT which would get very old after about 30minutes.
anyway im glad the ball is on your side of the fence now.:noid
Overlag ...
I have nothing personal against you ... never had ... never will ... it's just when you or anybody post what I believe to be mis-information, I'm gonna call you on it ... simple as that ... I'm sorry that it ruffles your feathers.
If you think for one second that Lazs and I have any control over HT and anybody else that works for HTC, then you are really fooling yourself. I have been to 2 AH conventions and have spent some quality time with HT and Pyro discussing the game. They listen, absorb, and then they act one what they believe to be right and correct for the game and their well being, after all this game is what pays their bills and again, if you think that they just react and do things willy-nilly your kidding yourself.
I don't insult people because they don't play the game the same as me ... another attempt at dis-information ... Lazs may, but I don't. I don't always agree with what Lazs says, but he is a big boy, but when he posts in the manner he chooses , then far be from me to tell him what and what not to do.
If what I post "winds" people up ... sorry about that ... I posted because probably what they posted wound me up or I disagree with the content of the post and I responded to it.
I have NEVER told anyone to quit if they don't like it ... whether one chooses to play this game or not is their decision alone. I didn't quit cause the MA sucked ... I just cut my online time down quite a bit ... there still was enough fun, at times, that justified me paying 14.95 a month.
I like playing in the MW the most ... and its far from empty when I log in. Also, I just don't exclusively furball ... I do play all aspect of the game, but enjoy and spend most of my time in a fighter fighting.
I can tell that you haven't spent much time in the MW at US prime time ... there are more established players and vets in MW than there are newbies, so I don't spend all my time wacking or ganging newbies ... and if they are newbies ... they won't be for long ... they will learn quicker in MW than they could in LW.
I did fly LW last night and after an hour or so, I could count on one hand all the names that I did recognize. Also, I have seen on the LW text and heard over LW range vox many people saying that the LW is the bomb due to the fact that it is loaded with newbies and the killing is like shooting fish in a barrel. Not true in MW.
If you have a serious problem with the changes that HT has made to the game ... then spend some GPB and give him a call and tell him ... maybe he will explain what his final goal is and then you might not be so pissed off. And if you do call him ... ask him if Lazs or myself or any other "furballer" was personally responsible for him making the changes ... he will probably laugh.
Like I said in another post ... the numbers in LW1 and LW2 are in the same range as AH I had a few years ago ... and the strategic aspect of the game worked exactly the same then as it does now ... so why is it that with the now reduced numbers ... it isn't there anymore and LW has turned into a FT ?
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Hey HiTech. I have looked for your lengthy explanation post's and cant find them or it. Where might i find it so i can try and understand all of this. Tried to get on tonight after a long day. I was wishing to find some squaddies and have a good time hunting scalps, but they were all in LW1 and had stuff going on and wouldnt come over to LW2. Why does it seem like u have sort of screwed game play for so many to please so few, or yourself. I guess i just dont understand the reason behind the cap issue. Seems like more harm than good. If this way is so great then please tell me how my squad or any squad will be able to fight in the same arena. From what i have seen so far u cant. Might wanna consider changeing the TV ad so it says u might be able to be in a squad. Im not trying to sound righteous, but its getting really frustrating to play anymore when i consider what i have seen. 1. being able to fly with my squad is going to be a pain. Looks like a majority of people are not happy with this change. I need to better understand it first. Remember who's $14.95 got you this big in the first place.:huh
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OK sorry I found the explanation post. Guess i wasnt looking good enough. I still want to know exactly what problem are u trying to fix. Looks to me like people are being told what arena to fly in. Why should a squad have to drop what they have foing on just to go to an arena and fly with 2-3 members. Those 2-3 members should be able to get in a arena with there squad if they want. Everyone says if u dont like the change than dont play. Well same to you guys. If u dont like the "disease" that is MA or LW than dont play. Wondering what the next change will be that will make game play even more of a hassle.
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Hammy, no disrespect intended, but Cancelling your account places you into the Unregistered Voter line.
There is alot of griping about how the arena limits are based. Now, a few of us just did the dumbest thing ever, and had a blast doing it. Launched a VAL mission, bout 8 of us. Ran into a squadron of Lancasters. So, we attacked em.
Fun is an understatement, considering we all lived. Now, that put us at about 8 of us, and around 8 formations of Lancasters. Kept us busy for a good half hour and split a gut laughing.
Didn't matter one bit whether there was 50 or 500 people in the arena.
The game is what you make it, you get out what you put in. Sit in here and complain or enter and have fun. This Is America, you have the choice to join this game or not. But the Game Itself isn't a Democracy, it's HiTechCreations. Just because you buy a cheeseburger at McDonalds does not give you voting rights at the corporate level.
Eat or don't. Play or Don't. I don't understand how some of you think you are Owed an explanation for why HT directs their game the way they do. Do you get the interaction, the immediate replies and direct attention from Electronic Arts? Valve? No, you don't. Beats me why they bother, but it's great that they do. They Bother to interact and try to explain, they get rail roaded for doing so, then you wonder why they get testy.
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Originally posted by ROC
Hammy, no disrespect intended, but Cancelling your account places you into the Unregistered Voter line.
If you keep your account and not play ,in what line you are ?
The milk cow line ?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Like I said in another post ... the numbers in LW1 and LW2 are in the same range as AH I had a few years ago ... and the strategic aspect of the game worked exactly the same then as it does now ... so why is it that with the now reduced numbers ... it isn't there anymore and LW has turned into a FT ?
the game has slowly been tweaked over the years due to having more and more players. ie hardness of targets, size of towns and hq damage model etc.
in EW or MW this should be more aparent as there isnt any "uber" rides?
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Hammy, no disrespect intended, but Cancelling your account places you into the Unregistered Voter line.
lol, i like this anology, dont agree but its funny :aok
ROC, I made my point in the strongest possible way, My money stays in my pocket now, HTC won't get fat off my dollars no more :aok
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2nd Post on this subject ... Everyone sees this situation through different eyes, but this is what i see. Yeh! This sucks! lw1 full at 120 max and getting leapfrogged to a arena that has 60 people in it 170 max? is not why im here, plain and simple. I dont want to pay-play-stay in this type situation. Lose the leapfrog BS. Let us late war people have our large arena!! Ya ya I know quit if i dont like it! Quitting is not the answer. But its a option.
Yes it does matter to some of us if its 50 or 500, I'm one of them.
(If i wanted to fly in a arena with 50 people I'd like to be making that decision and not being deverted because the makers of the game want me to fly with 50 people!, you get it?)
Fly a sector and a half to see 2 guys getting killed by 10 people, whoo hoo now thats fun stuff, please!!! Cant even get enough people 3/4 of the time to do missions any more it seems.
Keep it the way it is now, just give us lw people our large arena back, make it LW3 pink max 600 +- . And if those people want to go to ew mw or lw1-2 with 50 people in good let'm go. Just let us, the customer decide how many people we want to fly with.
And just because someone canceled their account because of this situation does not mean they have no voice, Just like many of us they paid and played during times when the game had tons of bugs, having connection problems etc, many of us stood by AH through those troubling times. DONT forget, alot all of us have helped develope this game while paying the monthly fee, so making money and getting free tech help what more could you ask for. .
I can say this game would not be what it is today without the input of all of us. Its not AH employees doing this alone, We paying sucribers play the game we advise them of bugs etc, we advise them of that we think would make the game better, and I've seen those suggestion used many times for the better of the game, for everyone paying & playing, its a joint effort IMO.
This last move was not one of them is all. :( IMO
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Tatic: While players do contribite to AH, and I realy do apreciate the time and dedication some players put in. And also the feed back and sugestions players make.
It realy is NOT a "Joint effort".
HiTech
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Tatic: While players do contribite to AH, and I realy do apreciate the time and dedication some players put in. And also the feed back and sugestions players make.
it really is NOT a "joint effort"
This gets better and better lol............:noid
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Originally posted by hitech
Tatic: While players do contribite to AH, and I realy do apreciate the time and dedication some players put in. And also the feed back and sugestions players make.
It realy is NOT a "Joint effort".
HiTech
so without the player AH would be fine? :O
im still at a loss really. You've explained and youve explained, but really i still dont get it...
you created 3 arenas, instead of one large one.... 50-100 moved into each EW/MW and was enjoying it (and the style you want), the rest stayed in LW and was enjoying it...
so you nuffed LW again?
im guessing once Lw gets to 300 players each, you will add a 3rd, making it even worse for offpeak guys?
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Originally posted by hitech
Tatic: While players do contribite to AH, and I realy do apreciate the time and dedication some players put in. And also the feed back and sugestions players make.
It realy is NOT a "Joint effort".
HiTech
Hell if it was a "Joint Effort" nothing would ever happen... Everyone would be too busy sitting around eating raw potato...... :p
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Hammy for President!
(Even if he is a foreigner!)
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Originally posted by Overlag
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HiTech
what does that mean?
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Originally posted by Overlag
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HiTech
Originally posted by Overlag
what does that mean?
Man thats just Screaming for a smart bellybutton remark, but I have filled my quota for the day.........
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Mussie: Your post got a real LOL from me.
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Gents.... "Joint effort" was really Not meant literally. Obviously, The point i was tring to make was lost in translation. sigh....... :(
And Hell the last time anything was funny relating to potatos was when our vice president Dan Quayle spelled it wrong, while correcting (so he thought) a grade school students spelling. Now thats funny! tee hee. :p
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Originally posted by hitech
Mussie: Your post got a real LOL from me.
why did you not answer? Never heard of "backdoor moderation" and i cant even remember what i posted..... wouldnt want to do it again now would i?
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Overlag, seriously, is it a really a mystery to you as to why you keep getting your posts deleted?
I'm no stranger to seeing "Deleted" in place of my posts, but I've only been actually surprised to see it once or twice, and I've been... well, you might say, "rather outspoken" on other topics at times. There are rules, and they're pretty simple. Break a rule, get a post deleted. It shouldn't be all that difficult to figure out when you're crossing the lines, really.
Just saying.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Overlag, seriously, is it a really a mystery to you as to why you keep getting your posts deleted?
I'm no stranger to seeing "Deleted" in place of my posts, but I've only been actually surprised to see it once or twice, and I've been... well, you might say, "rather outspoken" on other topics at times. There are rules, and they're pretty simple. Break a rule, get a post deleted. It shouldn't be all that difficult to figure out when you're crossing the lines, really.
Just saying.
yes, its fine when im being a ****hole or something but i dont remeber saying ANYTHING wrong in this post.... and anyway, posts normally say "deleted" etc
backdoor moderation makes no sence at all to me.....and if i had broken a rule it would say see rule #4 etc