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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Frodo on October 18, 2006, 08:06:19 AM
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I know we are spoiled here in the heartland. But what a great ride so far this year.
I hope they get to play Detrot in the World Series.
:o <.......... Met's GM
Frodo
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The Real Story that the Media is missing is the genius of Dave Dombroski - the Tigers GM. He is the guy who built the Marlins championship team. The whole time the Tigers were lossing 100 games + , he was stocking the farm system with unbelievable pitching. Some of the trades he pulled off (even with the yankees) are simply hard to believe. Everybody was laughing at the Tigers the last four years, the whole time he was sneaking around picking up the best young arms in baseball. The Tigers have three pitchers that can hit 100+ mph on the gun...amazing. None of them are older than 23. Joel Zymeya (sp) can and did reach 105 mph. 105 mph !!!!!! That's got to be the record. Now, my point, the tigers have all these young pitchers + thier farm system is bursting with even younger arms.
Tigers Nation Will Reign Supreme
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And that, sadly, has always been the Cardinals' weak spot. Pitching. You can have the best fielders and hitters in the league, and the Cards often do. But without good pitchers to sew it up ...........
I am and always will be a Cardinals fan. The Mets are pond scum, we'll beat them. But I'm afraid beyond that, it will just be a repeat of the Red Sox / Cardinals WS.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
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You might be right Rip. On paper, no way the Cards beat the Tigers. But they were supposed to lose to the Padres and Mets also.
If they get past the Mets, who knows.
Frodo
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
The Mets are pond scum,
That brings back some fun memories. :aok
Frodo
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Originally posted by Frodo
You might be right Rip. On paper, no way the Cards beat the Tigers. But they were supposed to lose to the Padres and Mets also.
If they get past the Mets, who knows.
Frodo
Anything is possible, Chicago Bears , 5-0, *almost* beat the Cardinals (1-4) in MNF, but the Cards lost. Oh, we were talking baseball! :D
If the Cards make it to play Detroit, I'll certainly be cheering for the underdog, Cards. :aok
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I am a Tigers fan - so I'm a bit biased, but get used to the Tigers winning for a very long time.
I've never seen an organization so focused on Pitching. From the start, thier new stadium was built to be VERY PITCHER friendly. While everybody was building stadiums that made routine flys into Hr's - so the fan will be happy, the Tigers focused on building one that would attraced top pitchers. STAT: Not one HR has been hit ALL YEAR to center field (at Tiger stadium) ...the distance is so great. Oh, and they even moved the fences in a few years back because the stupid fairweather fans wanted more hr's.
From park design to everything the Tigers do is Pitching focused. They bring in average to above average jourynmen bats and grow thier own world class pitching talent.
look for others to copy that model...
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well if no one can hit HRs in that place, the Cards should do great, they have a great defense.
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GOOOOOO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zumaya will make the Cards his huckleberry.
Example 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE_FwWCGYe0
even better
Example 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a9ziD31sKs&mode=user&search=
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Since Carpenter is on the mound I have a feeling St Louis will take the series tonight. But I do think that once they get to the series Detroit is going to pound the crap out of em.
I do have to say I'm a bit biased too. I'm not a Detroit fan, but I am a Brewer fan. Since my team has been a joke since 1992 one of the few joys I've had in my pathetic baseball world is watching the Cubs and the Cardinals lose.
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Originally posted by Frodo
I know we are spoiled here in the heartland. But what a great ride so far this year.
I hope they get to play Detrot in the World Series.
:o <.......... Met's GM
Frodo
Card aint in it yet
aint over till its over kid ;)
there is a reason they actually play the games LOL
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NY teams are dirt.
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:lol Choocha GO CARDS!
Seems that whichever team loses tends to have a defensive breakdown around the 6th or 7th inning.
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Hi ya Bizket. Long time.
Cards should bench Rolen. Should have done it 2 months ago.
And who doesn't like a game 7! :D
Frodo
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Sorry Cards. Game 7..you need Dream Weaver on the mound.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
And that, sadly, has always been the Cardinals' weak spot. Pitching. You can have the best fielders and hitters in the league, and the Cards often do. But without good pitchers to sew it up ...........
I guess you're not much of a baseball person... The Cardinals have a great starting pitcher staff, including the current Cy Young winner.
In a short series, anything can happen. Sometimes the better pitching staff gets beat.
Cardinals vs Tigers would be a pitching dominated series. However, the Cards are in trouble with Game 7 at Shea Stadium. I've been at all the Mets home game this series, and I'll be leaving here in about two hours for tonight's game.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Choocha
I've never seen an organization so focused on Pitching. From the start, thier new stadium was built to be VERY PITCHER friendly.
Good pitching will shut down good hitting. The yankees didn;t have a chance against those young guns in Motown. That old-style power pitching, "here it is, if you can hit it, go get it," and fire it right down the heart of the plate. can;t beat that type of approach, if you have the heat and the balls to back it up.
The Cards are the new Braves, or the Colts. Look great in the season, then do just enough to lose in the playoffs. I think Edmonds' last meaningful hit was a walkoff two years ago in the NLCS.
I doubt they'll win tonight, and if they do, no one can counter Detroit's young guns.
Motown in 5:aok
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Reguardless of who wins
With the NLCS going the full seven games who is helped or hurt the most by it?
On the one hand
Detroit will have had plenty of rest. While the 2 National League teams will go on short rest.
On the other hand.
Detroit has been idle. While the 2 National league teams are still in the groove of playing real games
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Originally posted by Frodo
Hi ya Bizket. Long time.
Cards should bench Rolen. Should have done it 2 months ago.
And who doesn't like a game 7! :D
Frodo
Yep has been a long time. Got a new system so I'm back online under the handle bizz. Give me a shout if you see me online.
Ohh and BTW, we'll trade you Geoff Jenkins for Rolen. If you dont think thats fair we'll take a bullpen catcher or a batboy:aok
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I thought the Yankees were the only team allowed to win?
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Originally posted by bizket
Yep has been a long time. Got a new system so I'm back online under the handle bizz. Give me a shout if you see me online.
Ohh and BTW, we'll trade you Geoff Jenkins for Rolen. If you dont think thats fair we'll take a bullpen catcher or a batboy:aok
I would settle for a healthy Albert. :O)
Widewing you lucky dog!
DREDIOCK I think it may hurt Detroit the first game. But after that I don't know.
The Cards are pretty beat up, and I am surprised they made it this far. I would play Speizio,Duncan, and Taguchi tonight. Rolen with his injury, should have been benched 3 weeks ago.
GO CARDS! :D
Frodo
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And now its over. Took to the very last out though LOL
Congrats Cards Fans and GL in the series
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Wow, best game I have seen in years. Would have said the same if the Mets had won. Give the Mets credit, they fought all the way.
I thought the Mets would win, after the catch to rob Rolen.
Bring on the Tigers. I want revenge for 1968! :D
Frodo
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Originally posted by Frodo
I would settle for a healthy Albert. :O)
Widewing you lucky dog!
DREDIOCK I think it may hurt Detroit the first game. But after that I don't know.
The Cards are pretty beat up, and I am surprised they made it this far. I would play Speizio,Duncan, and Taguchi tonight. Rolen with his injury, should have been benched 3 weeks ago.
GO CARDS! :D
Frodo
I was fortunate to win a drawing for the series tickets.
Well, it was a great game... Perez did all anyone could ask. Two strikeouts in the bottom of the 9th, with bats on their shoulders (especially Beltran) got me nuts. You can't hit what you don't swing at.... The Met's had their chances...
My regards,
Widewing
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To the derisive comments about Cardinals pitching:
Just remember that the Cards pretty much won this series with their arms. Except for Carp in Game 2 their wins came from Weaver, Suppan and the bullpen all but shutting DOWN the Mets.
Well, time to see if Dayne Perry beaten the horse AGAIN about how St. Louis shouldn't have even been there. Stupid national media. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Lets see what Puljols does with a 105 mph heater.
Tigers in 4...Bring out da Brooms
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If the Cards make it to play Detroit, I'll certainly be cheering for the underdog, Cards. :aok
Rip, I don't know about you, but the Tigers have literally beat the ***** out of both teams so far, and have been the Underdog's. The Yankees were "supposed to sweep the Tigers". Even though I had said since Oct. 1, that "you have a much better chance of beating the Yankees in a 5 game series than a 7 gamer."
Chokeland and the "great" Frank Thomas "were supposed to beat the Tigers". Milton Bradley's taunting while sprinting around third base only hurt their chances more. Also, his gay white sunglasses were on par with his pathetic career. I was at Game 4 of the ALCS here in Detroit. Oakland was celebrating in the 3rd and 4th inning's, but they forgot that they had 5-6 innings to play and were NOT at home.
Choocha, the Tigers have been laughed at, pissed on for almost 19 years. Now, they are giving Joe Buck, McCarver, ESPN, SI, and any other "Yankee Sucker" the middle finger. Personally, I'd rather face the Cards than the Mets. Puljols IS the Cards offense, period. Eckstein, Edmonds, Encarnacion (former Tiger who sucked then as much as now), Weaver (eh, he's ok) and their other "Former Angels Roster" don't scare me. Eckstein, Edmonds, Rolen are always one move away from the IR. That ISN'T what "you build a team around."
Edny Chavez last night perhaps eclipsed Willie Mays' basket catch with the Rolen robbing Sno-Cone/Double play. My jaw was dropped for AT LEAST !0 minutes after watching it.
Tigers should be able to outlast the Cards. If they beat up Carpenter, it will be a long series for the Cards. One thing that "non-Tiger" fans don't realize, is that each game a different Tiger steps up and wins the game.
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Leyland will NOT allow the Tiger's to "relax". 1 week, 1 month, etc of rest doesn't matter. Yer forgetting who the Manaqer is. Also, the Cards and Mets have been clawing for 7 games wearing themselves out.
Tigers have pretty much accomplished the "Impossible" this year. I can say that I was one of the 8,000 fans attending the games since 1999. I've had my season tickets for 3 years, and went to 15-20 games a season before that.
Puljols is another that is one swing away from the IR. They are a MASH unit.
Saxman, please. The Cards are a large market team, the Tigers are not. Spare me the drivel "about being shunned by the National media".
The Tigers had the LOWEST ERA in the Majors this year.
Justin Verlander 30starts 17-9 3.63
Kenny Rogers 34 17-8 3.84
Nate Robertson 32 13-13 3.84
Jeremy Bonderman 34 14-8 4.08
Chris Carpenter 32 15-8 3.09
Jeff Suppan 32 12-7 4.12
Jason Marquis 33 14-16 6.02
THE CARDS DO NOT HAVE A QUALITY FOURTH STARTER!
Jorge Sosa is mediocre (The Braves,
Jeff Weaver has two pitches (I saw him for 4 years as a Tiger)
If ANYONE can sit there and think the Cards have "pitching", you're off your f**king rocker! Carpenter is the best they have (I have had him for 2 years on my Fantasy team).
And please, spare this "Cards are the underdogs" BS. Spew that stuff to folks who know nothing about baseball. I maybe a fan of the Tigers, but I am a fan of Baseball.
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Originally posted by Saxman
To the derisive comments about Cardinals pitching:
Just remember that the Cards pretty much won this series with their arms. Except for Carp in Game 2 their wins came from Weaver, Suppan and the bullpen all but shutting DOWN the Mets.
Well, time to see if Dayne Perry beaten the horse AGAIN about how St. Louis shouldn't have even been there. Stupid national media. :mad: :mad: :mad:
The Cardinals have a terrific pitching staff. Suppan was at his best, as was Carpenter.
That said, both John Maine (a rookie) and Oliver Perez established themselves as big-game pitchers. Maine will only get better. Perez has great talent, but tended to implode. I think the Mets' pitching coach has done a lot to get Perez focused. Despite having three starters out with injurys (Bannister, Martinez and Hernandez), the Mets' emergency starters kept the Cardinals in check.
Endy Chevez made up for a letting Suppan's homer pop out of his glove in game 3 with what will be one of the greatest defensive catches in playoff history.
Umpiring, especially behind the plate was less than good. Last night's strike zone was beyond belief. It hurt both teams, but killed the Met's in the bottom of the 9th. Basically, Wright was handed two strikes that were clearly balls. I watched the replay on the diamond vision display. From where I was sitting (between home plate and first base, 8 rows back), Wright held up on the one pitch, the bat never crossing the plate. First base umpire said he went around. A second strike was called on an pitch that was a foot off the plate... When that happens, a batter realizes that he cannot let anything go by and swings at bad pitches. Both teams suffered from that last night, but the umpiring really hurt the Mets in their last at-bat. Los Angeles suffered from similar woes in their game three loss to the Mets.
Major League Baseball needs replay review... It's long overdue. Especially when an umpire stated (as was heard, picked up by microphone) to Lo Duca during a regular season game against the Braves, "Your guy doesn't get those calls because he's not John Smoltz".
Beltran watches strike 3 with the bat on his shoulder, bases loaded, two outs in the bottom of the ninth... Almost unforgivable. Any little league player knows that you protect the plate with two strikes and you don't look for any particular pitch. Beltran was looking fastball and was stupified by a 75 mph curveball.
Good luck to the Cardinals, I'm afraid they will need some luck to beat the Tigers.
My regards,
Widewing
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The only reason the Cards got the "prime time" series in the NLCS was because they were playing the Mets. Plain and simple. If they'd had any other match-up (especially if they played against another Central Division Wildcard team like the Astros) it would've been all day games. St. Louis may be a larger market than Detroit but it's STILL a midwest team, and the national media doesn't seem to recognize there's actually more of this country between the Rockies and Appalachians and that the Lower 48 doesn't just exist on the east and west coasts.
Choocha: What does Albert do with a 105mph heater? He puts it on the moon. That's where theone of Lidge last year would have ended up if it didn't hit the windows at Ten Run Field.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Choocha: What does Albert do with a 105mph heater? He puts it on the moon. That's where theone of Lidge last year would have ended up if it didn't hit the windows at Ten Run Field.
Lidge cannot hit 103mph, nope, no way. Also, I recall the Tigers taking the series this year 3-0. Zumaya also SHUT DOWN Puljols in those three games.
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baseball is for little fairy boys, i'm glad it's football season and also glad baseball season is almost over.
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Originally posted by megadud
baseball is for little fairy boys, i'm glad it's football season and also glad baseball season is almost over.
Where are the Reds? :)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Where are the Reds? :)
:furious :mad: :furious :mad: :furious
they should be in the playoffs and everyone knows it...too bad they are the reds....
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Originally posted by megadud
:furious :mad: :furious :mad: :furious
they should be in the playoffs and everyone knows it...too bad they are the reds....
<> bro, all in good taste.
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i know, i'm just bitter because then reds blew it :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
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Did you have money on this prediction?:lol
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Why did Oak- Town Lose?
Because Detroit knew fat and slow Frank Thomas couldn't turn on a fastball anymore.
They fed him a steady diet of heat and he didn't even make contact.
We'll see if Puljols can stay in the box and turn on a 105 mph fastie. The only man in the majors that has hit Zumya consistiently has been Ken Griffey... hand speed + courage to stand there.
Leyland is an old school manager. Puljols has looked like a deer in headlights this post season.
Watch Verlander or Zumaya throw a few 100+ at his head. They did that to A Rod and he turned to Jello.
Leyland plays baseball like they did 40 yrs ago. If you got the balls to stand up there and face that pitching- then you have a chance.
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Originally posted by Choocha
Watch Verlander or Zumaya throw a few 100+ at his head. They did that to A Rod and he turned to Jello.
To a degree, you can get away with high and tight buzz jobs in the American League. However, in the World Series, 2, maybe 3 Detroit starting pitchers are going to have to step up to the plate in St. Louis....
Remember when Clemens beaned Piazza? Torre wouldn't let Clemens pitch at Shea Stadium during the Series... He knew that the Rocket would eat one in his ear as soon as he stepped to the plate.
Considering the investment the team owners have in big money players, bean ball is not tolerated like it was 40 years ago. If a pitcher is believed to have deliberately thrown at a player's head, the league may sit him down for the balance of the series.
Pitch 'em inside, use the whole plate, but pitch them high and tight often and you're asking for trouble. Retaliation would be certain. League involvement would likely follow.
My regards,
Widewing
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I know someone somewhere has the actual stats on this but...
Have you ever ACTUALLY watched Pujols play? About 90% of the time a hurler knocked him down that next heater ended up either in the bleachers, or coming right back up the box as fast as it came in. Can Zumaya dodge a 105mph heater about to take his head into center field?
Choocha, if you have to be nasty to think you've scored in a debate then you can take it somewhere else.
And here's food for thought...
A guy doesn't become the ONLY player with 30+ home runs, .300+ Batting average, 100+ RBI and 100+ runs scored in his first 5 years in the Major Leagues by not being able to turn on an inside fastball and keep it fair. Pujols has so far made a CAREER of making pitchers pay on the inside heater.
Second helping...
There isn't a hitter in the game that can make adjustments from pitch to pitch and at-bat to at-bat like Pujols. Who cares if he was shut down in one game the middle of the season? This is quite literally a whole new ballgame and what happened in Interleague play doesn't mean jack squat.
Dessert...
The Tigers were written off before the first post season game ever got underway so just remember a little bit of your OWN recent history. There isn't a team in the post season more dangerous than the one that everyone dismisses out of hand, because you can bet the nay-sayers only get a team fired up. And there's plenty of upsets in the past to back that up.
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Originally posted by Saxman
I know someone somewhere has the actual stats on this but...
Have you ever ACTUALLY watched Pujols play? About 90% of the time a hurler knocked him down that next heater ended up either in the bleachers, or coming right back up the box as fast as it came in.
Yea I was thinking the same thing Saxman. Saw this several times over the season.
Also too much respect between the managers, for any throwing at people on purpose.
Cards might as well just go home now, and not even play the games.:rolleyes:
Frodo
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Pujols is the ultimate HGH, Steriod (designer to beat the tests) head who excels when AAA mid relief steps in to pitch.
Pujols is the garbage man who steps up in garbage time.
Verlander is starting game one. The garbage man will be on a world stage in
35f weather and a pitcher thats going to bust him inside with 100 heat.
He will be exposed for what he is and has been this postseason.
Yes, American Legue ball is a bit more agressive than the NL because of the DH. Doesn't matter, Lyland don't play that sht.
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Bullchit Choocha. Pujols is all dedication, focus, determination, and skill. There's not an unnatural or banned substance that goes into that man's body. And he lights up top starters.
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Cardinals win Game 1 7-2 :)
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Choocha, did you see that steroid fueled home run Pujols pounded out of Comerica?:D
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Originally posted by nirvana
Choocha, did you see that steroid fueled home run Pujols pounded out of Comerica?:D
:rofl :lol
Obvious choochoo knows little about baseball, and less about the Cards.
105 mph fastball. :noid
Frodo
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And even LESS about the 'roids. Those things AREN'T skill in a syringe. Give Adam Dunn a Bonds-esque dose of the juice and he'll STILL strike out 200 times a season. The difference is that when he connects the ball will travel about a mile further.
Although Choocha was right about one thing, tonight's game DID expose Pujols: As the most dangerous hitter in baseball. Then again, it's not exactly a news-stopping exposé as the ENTIRE FRIGGEN WORLD has known about it the past five years but him.
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Yeah but now they are going to walk him more often, Saxman. Not that there aren't other big hitters in the line up after him. Even Randolph said that they should have been pitching to him. Oh well, game 2 tonight:aok
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I cant believe the cardinal pitchers. Man i suffered through Isringhousen for 2 seasons now. Who the heck are these guys?? Tyler Johnson and Adam wainright. wow.Gotta love the underdogs.
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The time off has really hurt the Tigers. Verlander, who routinely hits 100 mph, was throwing 85 mph- I couldn't believe it, I thought the gun was off. By the 4th, he was up in the low 90's. He served up a mid 80's fastie to the Meat Head and got rocked.
Look for Jeff Weaver (aka Dream Weaver) to be very emotional tonight, he grew up in the Tigers organization and was the ace of the staff until they sht canned him cause they thought he had head problems...something about pot, booz and sexual escapades on board the Tigers jet.
I hope for the Cards sake that the team chemist comes up big. After all, this is the organization who featured a 6'5" roid monster- complete with acne, hair loss and other signs of roid abuse and packaged him as baseball's great hope.
To bad they can't test for HGH or other designer meds, if they could- Meat Head would be back on the Island where he came from.
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Originally posted by Choocha
The time off has really hurt the Tigers. Verlander, who routinely hits 100 mph, was throwing 85 mph- I couldn't believe it, I thought the gun was off. By the 4th, he was up in the low 90's. He served up a mid 80's fastie to the Meat Head and got rocked.
Look for Jeff Weaver (aka Dream Weaver) to be very emotional tonight, he grew up in the Tigers organization and was the ace of the staff until they sht canned him cause they thought he had head problems...something about pot, booz and sexual escapades on board the Tigers jet.
I hope for the Cards sake that the team chemist comes up big. After all, this is the organization who featured a 6'5" roid monster- complete with acne, hair loss and other signs of roid abuse and packaged him as baseball's great hope.
To bad they can't test for HGH or other designer meds, if they could- Meat Head would be back on the Island where he came from.
Well, as Big Mac says, he didnt break any MLB rules while he was playing. He may have violated alot of federal state and local laws regarding the use of steroids, but perfectly legal in MLB. If fact, you cant find a MLB team who hasnt had a juicer on it in the 90's. So grasp at the past if it makes you secure, but the rules are the same for everybody.
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It's easy to point fingers at others before yourself, or your team in this case. Don't kid yourself that the Tigers are perfect and don't use steroids. We'll just watch what happens tonight.
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Tigers play small ball. There is nobody that hits HR's like mad.
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Kenny Rodgers (aka "The Gambler") was dealing it....pine tar and all ..LOL.
I swear I saw Meathead shooting up between innings.
And of course..he was a no show.
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I wasnt shooting it up between innings
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Take off the rose-colored glasses, Choocha. That was FAR narrower a victory than you seem to think. The second run in the first was largely benefit of a lazy popup that blooped into no-man's land. There were quite a few well-hit balls off Rodgers that just didn't find a hole. Pujols nearly tied that game early with just another foot of elevation, and Detroit nearly blew the 9th.
Tonight was Detroit's best shot at winning out of games 2-4. Now they have to deal with the reigning Cy Young and the NLCS MVP in a hostile environment. And if Reyes pitches game 5 even HALF as well as he did game 1 Detroit will be leaving St. Louis black and blue, an possibly empty-handed.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Take off the rose-colored glasses, Choocha. That was FAR narrower a victory than you seem to think. The second run in the first was largely benefit of a lazy popup that blooped into no-man's land. There were quite a few well-hit balls off Rodgers that just didn't find a hole. Pujols nearly tied that game early with just another foot of elevation, and Detroit nearly blew the 9th.
Tonight was Detroit's best shot at winning out of games 2-4. Now they have to deal with the reigning Cy Young and the NLCS MVP in a hostile environment. And if Reyes pitches game 5 even HALF as well as he did game 1 Detroit will be leaving St. Louis black and blue, an possibly empty-handed.
Yawn.
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Yawn II
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Damn..no more Birds chirping...they must be nervous ..LOL
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choochoo I doubt you know this....but there is no game tonight. :rolleyes: :D
Frodo
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We saw how exhausted you were from all the crying and drinking over the drubbing in Game 1, the nearly blown Game 2, and your sleeplessness with fear over Games 3 and 4, and wanted to let you rest.
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NOTICE TO BRIDS FANS:
You better win game 3. Nate Roberston is Detroit's weakest pitcher (by far). If you don't win this one- then its going to be a 5 gamer.
Also, you better jump on Nate early...if you don't then Lyland is going to call out Zumya to help Nate out. If the game is lost then Zumya will rest. If you see Zuyma on the mound, then its all over for the Birds.
Birds, this will be the most winnable game left...Carpe Diem or you will lose the series.
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Hey, we won game 3 :D
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So what's the big deal about Zumaya again?
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Now the Birds will have to face Detroit's two strongest pitchers:
Jeremy Bonderman
Justin Verlander
Good Luck..
I hope meathead dosen't run out of syringes.
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Yep I have runned out of them
Which meathead are you talking abot?
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Didn't Verlander get killed in Game 1? Mr. 105 apparently can't throw straight, a wild pitch resulting in a run and then a hit batter. :lol Sweet
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interleague play is an abomination
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Cardinals are now ahead 3-1 in the series after winning game 4 :)
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Ok, I admit it. I was wrong. Too many times I've seen young, talented, untested pitchers in the lineup that choked in the postseason, but these guys came out like seasoned pros. Even if they fall flat after this and lose the last 3 games I'll still be proud of the way they played so far in this series. This is how I always knew they were capable of playing. My cynicism was undeserved, and I'm glad these guys proved me wrong about how this series would go.
Go Cards!
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That's the whole point. People who followed the team all year--REALLY followed the team--knew that they weren't playing up to their potential and were frustrated waiting for it to "click." True, guys were hurt for large parts of the season, but other teams dealt with the same problems and found ways to win. This club was BETTER than a 83-win season, and now when it counts they're finally starting to play like it.
The only hope for the Tigers is to pitch Pine Tar Kenny tomorrow, but unless Leyland goes back on his word, he's already stated that he will NOT alter his rotation. Verlander, who proved his mortality in Game 1, goes tomorrow against Weaver, rather than a rematch with Reyes.
THAT, I think, is exactly why the Cards are up 3 games to 1. LaRussa has done a better job of making adjustments where and when he needed them. Look for moving up Weaver to the delayed Game 5 over Reyes to pay off big time for St. Louis.
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Starofafrica, I was down on them in Sept. too. They were playing bad, and making mental mistakes. The guys you never see make mental errors, were making them left and right. But the Cards got hot at the last minute, and have ridden it this far.
Saxman I was leaning toward Reyes for game 5, after the way he pitched last game. But you know Weaver wants to beat them badly. Should be fun tonight, if they can play.
The Tigers look like a team that is young, and kind of shell shocked. While the Cards look like the cool vets that they are. Remember the Cards have been the heavy favorite in the series recently(2004), and got blown out. This helps them a lot I think.
But remember what Yogi said.....It aint over, until it's over. :cool:
GO CARDS
Frodo
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Justin Verlander is the AL Rookie of the year and he will be Pitching against Jeff Weaver (aka Dream Weaver). Verlander didn't do so well in game one because of the week off. His fast ball was in the mid 80's- this from a guy who touches 100 mph routinly.
Look at the gun early and see if he's in the mid 90's. If he is, game over, because he'll be touching 100's and he will be un-hitable.
Weaver is a low character player who will choke tonight, just like meathead (aka hgh, steroid head) has.
Tigers will win tonight.
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Well it finally stopped %$*&^##@ raining! Play ball! :aok
Frodo
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Win or lose, it will still be fun to watch
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Originally posted by Choocha
J
Weaver is a low character player who will choke tonight, just like meathead (aka hgh, steroid head) has.
Tigers will win tonight.
Have a hanky, dude.:aok
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Originally posted by Choocha
Justin Verlander is the AL Rookie of the year and he will be Pitching against Jeff Weaver (aka Dream Weaver). Verlander didn't do so well in game one because of the week off. His fast ball was in the mid 80's- this from a guy who touches 100 mph routinly.
...Look at the gun early and see if he's in the mid 90's. If he is, game over, because he'll be touching 100's and he will be un-hitable.
What's the excuse if the Cards take it tonight? The cold got him down?
And then the oh so awesome pitching speed of Tigers pitching, what happened to Rodney last night? Another error by a Tiger pitcher:eek:
Edit: Good start to the game...
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I do recall that the Tigers have set a record thursday night.......the most pitching errors in a world series game EVER :rofl
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So far the Tiger pitching staff has been the MVP for the Cards. BUT, fundamentally the cards have outplayed them as well. It really frags me since I'm such a big Tigers fan, and I've been waiting a long long time (almost as long as St. Louis hehe). Eckstein was fantastic last night and it could have gone either way. I sure hope my Tigers can pull themselves together and bring it back.
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WOO WAY TO GO CARDINALS!!!!
Good play Detroit, just not quite enough.
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Originally posted by Choocha
Tigers will win tonight.
Say again? The sound of the cardinals winning the world series drowned you out :)
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Congrats Cards! Underdogs RULE!!!!
Glad I was wrong (as I usually am in sports!) :aok
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HOLY CRAP!!! David Eckstein just won the 505 hp Corvette ZO6 :eek:
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Too bad it wasn't Cardinal Red. ;)
GO CRAZY, FOLKS! GO CRAZY!
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I am one happy meatwad (meathead)
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The only thing I had trouble deciding at the end of the game was whether Eckstien or Molina deserved the MVP award. Gotta be good when you have trouble deciding. Both of them were outstanding.
I have to admit I almost lost faith at the end, I was afraid Wainwright was going to choke and lose us the game. He just seemed mentally rattled. No pressure, right? I damn near spilled my beer when he threw that last strike. :)
WTG guys. You make us proud!
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man, choocha is quiet tonight... or I just can't hear him over the Cardinal Nation celebration! My brother was at that game tonight, he said it was off the hook! somehow, we both ended up getting married to Cardinal fans... small world, crazy.
way to go cards! you earned it!
oh, and my favorite sign I saw was:
" The Experts are Idiots! Go Cards!"
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Originally posted by Choocha
I hope meathead dosen't run out of syringes.
you are talking about Polanco, right?
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
oh, and my favorite sign I saw was:
" The Experts are Idiots! Go Cards!"
My favorite sign was, "Hit it to the Pitcher!"
My regards,
Widewing
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Ouch, yet another painful game. Tigers just didn't show up for this series. The way we played, the Cardinals deserved to win.
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Nah, Choocha is too busy complaining how the Cardinals nourished Mark Mcgwire while he was doing steroids, therefore the Cardinals should be banned from baseball or something. Throw 'em if you got 'em I guess.
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I loved how on one come-backer late in the game Pudge made a point of waving off the pitcher.
And just some history for the casual watchers to show just how BIG this moment is:
The Cards are back in sole possession of second-place all-time in World Series wins to the Yankees at 10 (who have more wins than the Cards have appearances, even at a hefty 17 tries at the Fall Classic).
The last time a team won a World Series the same year they opened a new stadium was those same New York Yankees in 1923.
The last to win it at HOME the first year playing in a new stadium was the Boston Red Sox in 1912.
And now, a new version of my Avatar
(http://saxman.xwlegacy.net/AcesHigh/SluggerSeries.png)
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Ok,
Detroit is stacked full of young guns. Verlander, Zuymaya, Roodney, Bonderman ...thier combined average age is 23.
Ya,
they made a lot of errors...they are young- kids really. Look for the Tigers to be the new Braves- always in the mix for a long time to come.
I feel bad for Mike Marroth, maybe Detroit's best pitcher who was shutdown by an injury half-way through the season. Next years rotation:
1) Kenny (Pine Tar) Rodgers
2) Mike Marroth (fantastic pitcher)
3) Justin Verlander
4) Bonderman
5) Nate Robinson <- they need to dump him.
Thats a hell of a rotation + Zuymya and Roodney
100 wins for the next 5 years. Cards will be eating scraps.
+ its only a matter of time untill meathead gets caught doping, then he will be back to selling bannas.
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Originally posted by Choocha
its only a matter of time untill meathead gets caught doping, then he will be back to selling bannas.
:rofl :rofl
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You know how to lay it on thick Choocha:rofl
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Choocha, you DO realize you only make yourself look like more and more of a bitter and uninformed moron the more you open your mouth, right?
The simple fact is that the Cardinals played the post season the way they had the potential to play ALL YEAR. The mystery isn't why they won the Series, it's why they struggled so badly during the regular season.
The Cardinals out-pitched, out-fielded, out-hit, out-managed, and just plain out-played Detroit. Every excuse you can come up with in the world--the layoff, the cold, age/experience, injuries and so on, etcetera, etcetera doesn't change that fact. St. Louis was just simply the better team at the right time: the team they began the year as.
That's NOT to say Detroit wasn't tough, just that the Cards were tougher.
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baseballs finally over yay! now football season can rule until college bball starrts up :D
PS wtg cards someone out of nlc won make me happy, shoulda been the reds tho :huh :aok
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SWEET!!!!!!!!
I was watching the local coverage after the game, and it was crazy. 2 1/2 hrs. after the game the stadium was still 1/2 full, and Cards players were walking around partying with the fans.
I got to go to 2 games in the 1982 Series, and I was wishing I was down there for this one.
NATEDOG you and your brother have good taste! :D
My favorite signs "Hit it to the Pitcher!" & " The Experts are Idiots! "
Eckstein's Vette should have been Red. They talked to him, and asked what he was going to do with it. He said ... Keep Speizio away from it! :lol
Heck of a way to break in a new stadium. I could hear Jack Buck's " GO CRAZY FOLKS " call in my head when they won. :noid
Have to salute Jim Leland, class act all the way. I hope the Tigers come back next year, and beat the crap out of the Yankees.
Frodo
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man, choocha is still talkin smack?!?!?
the Cards make it to the playoff every year... they are that good. they had an injury filled year, so they only won 83.... but they made it, and got hot and semi-healthy at the right time. they will be back next year.
and you blame the tiger's youth? the cards have a bull pin full of rookies, Reyez, the starter who crushed the tigers in game one... a rookie. Rolen had a shoulder injury, so did Eckstein, Puljos, a hammy... Edmonds blurred vision and headaches... not to mention our rookie Duncan... don't get me started on him... say what you want, but the better team played tough and won...
oh and steroids and hgh?... look at your own team, they got all that and pine tar too.
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
man, choocha is still talkin smack?!?!?
the Cards make it to the playoff every year... they are that good. they had an injury filled year, so they only won 83.... but they made it, and got hot and semi-healthy at the right time. they will be back next year.
and you blame the tiger's youth? the cards have a bull pin full of rookies, Reyez, the starter who crushed the tigers in game one... a rookie. Rolen had a shoulder injury, so did Eckstein, Puljos, a hammy... Edmonds blurred vision and headaches... not to mention our rookie Duncan... don't get me started on him... say what you want, but the better team played tough and won...
oh and steroids and hgh?... look at your own team, they got all that and pine tar too.
:aok :rofl
Frodo
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Some gems from our friend choochoo........ Enjoy :D
Frodo
The Tigers have three pitchers that can hit 100+ mph on the gun...amazing. None of them are older than 23. Joel Zymeya (sp) can and did reach 105 mph. 105 mph !!!!!! That's got to be the record. Now, my point, the tigers have all these young pitchers + thier farm system is bursting with even younger arms.
Tigers Nation Will Reign Supreme
I am a Tigers fan - so I'm a bit biased, but get used to the Tigers winning for a very long time.
Zumaya will make the Cards his huckleberry.
Sorry Cards. Game 7..you need Dream Weaver on the mound.
Lets see what Puljols does with a 105 mph heater.
Tigers in 4...Bring out da Brooms
We'll see if Puljols can stay in the box and turn on a 105 mph fastie. The only man in the majors that has hit Zumya consistiently has been Ken Griffey... hand speed + courage to stand there.
Pujols is the ultimate HGH, Steriod (designer to beat the tests) head who excels when AAA mid relief steps in to pitch.
Pujols is the garbage man who steps up in garbage time.
Verlander is starting game one. The garbage man will be on a world stage in
35f weather and a pitcher thats going to bust him inside with 100 heat.
He will be exposed for what he is and has been this postseason.
Look for Jeff Weaver (aka Dream Weaver) to be very emotional tonight, he grew up in the Tigers organization and was the ace of the staff until they sht canned him cause they thought he had head problems...something about pot, booz and sexual escapades on board the Tigers jet.
I hope for the Cards sake that the team chemist comes up big. After all, this is the organization who featured a 6'5" roid monster- complete with acne, hair loss and other signs of roid abuse and packaged him as baseball's great hope.
To bad they can't test for HGH or other designer meds, if they could- Meat Head would be back on the Island where he came from.
Kenny Rodgers (aka "The Gambler") was dealing it....pine tar and all ..LOL.
I swear I saw Meathead shooting up between innings.
And of course..he was a no show.
Damn..no more Birds chirping...they must be nervous ..LOL
You better win game 3. Nate Roberston is Detroit's weakest pitcher (by far). If you don't win this one- then its going to be a 5 gamer.
Also, you better jump on Nate early...if you don't then Lyland is going to call out Zumya to help Nate out. If the game is lost then Zumya will rest. If you see Zuyma on the mound, then its all over for the Birds.
Now the Birds will have to face Detroit's two strongest pitchers:
Jeremy Bonderman
Justin Verlander
Good Luck..
I hope meathead dosen't run out of syringes.
Justin Verlander is the AL Rookie of the year and he will be Pitching against Jeff Weaver (aka Dream Weaver). Verlander didn't do so well in game one because of the week off. His fast ball was in the mid 80's- this from a guy who touches 100 mph routinly.
Look at the gun early and see if he's in the mid 90's. If he is, game over, because he'll be touching 100's and he will be un-hitable.
Weaver is a low character player who will choke tonight, just like meathead (aka hgh, steroid head) has.
Tigers will win tonight.
100 wins for the next 5 years. Cards will be eating scraps.
+ its only a matter of time untill meathead gets caught doping, then he will be back to selling bannas.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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:rofl :rofl
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Verlander threw in 100MPH in the 1st or second inning I believe. Nerves got to him or something though, I thought he was going to walk in the entire lineup for awhile.