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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Citabria on October 20, 2006, 08:21:40 PM
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was looking at cnn.com and saw their insurgent snipers videoing shots on US troops.
it was unsettling to see your side losing from the enemies point of view. though ive seen many videos of US snipers popping the heads off of arabs with a 50 cal and got a good laugh, seems it all depends on your point of view.
I guess either way you look at it...
its a battlezone and if your sitting still on top of a humvee in a turret or behind some rocks (pick one) with your head poking out you are sitting duck to a good sniper.
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yeah were getting our asse dkicked 4 shure
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jeeze man....ogrish been posten those things for last few years, where you guys been?
I definately think the jig is up in iraq. Those people are butchering themselves up like thousand year pros on a hell binge. and remember kids, Islam is peace and christianity is teh devil (along with boosh).
:rolleyes:
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yeah were getting our asse dkicked 4 shure
:huh
It's war, our boys die, but we are Far from getting slapped, much less our butts kicked.
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ROC, President Bush didn't seem to agree with you in his interview with ABC News where he agreed that the current situation in Iraq is comparable to the Vietnam War.
Neiher did Sir Richard Dannatt, the British Chief of the General Staff when he publicly recognized the abject failure of the Western intervention in Iraq.
Neither did Major General William Caldwell, the US military spokesman, when he publicly admitted yesterday that the two-month joint US-Iraqi drive to end the violence in Baghdad had to all intents and purposes failed.
All of this happed this month.
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well about the win loose thing...
it is very similar to vietnam in that it is an insurgent guerilla war in iraq.
militarily you can stay their indefinitely and absorb steady daily casualties but if you want to accomplish somthing you need the backing and support of the population of the country you have invaded.
but iraq is already in the beggining stages of civil war which is most likely to become an all out sectarian civil war with the country splintering apart along baath sunni and kurd lines. the kurds are problem free for the most part up north. the US actually did rescue them from sadaam and they are quite happy with the US presence. the sunnis were repressed by the minority group baathists and both groups despise the US presence.
insurgent= fish
population=sea
the fish swims in the sea and the sea supports the fish.
when your only option for victory is to send a bunch of soldiers to convince a countries population that you are there for their own good and they are supposed to rally to your side... "winning hearts and minds"
well really who is fooling themselves or anyone else?
it dosnt really matter if its us or them or who is who when you think about it...
foriegners with guns patrolling your streets will create strife and animosity in any setting...
guerillas are a the inevitable result of a non native occupying force.
now back on topic... iraqi snipers...
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Originally posted by Citabria
now back on topic... iraqi snipers...
are a fact of war
the new slant to it all is video, alot of it, and will work in favor of our enemies as they can stomach the stuff much better than the average joe six pack and soccer mom ... regardless of the why we are there. we could be saving starving africans from drug crazed warlords and enough in ur face groove tube videos with US boys dropping dead and one side or the other of our political machine will rally to the "bring them home" cause ...
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indeed, but let us now face this increasingly likely scenario: US forces draw down, current shi*ite led government faulters and the 12 major militias in Iraq seize power of their respective regions.
Then what?
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Originally posted by Citabria
guerillas are a the inevitable result of a non native occupying force.
germany? japan? nothings inevitable..
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Just because the Pres is caving to political pressure of the hand wringers does not mean we are getting our butts kicked.
The guys I know over there are quite proud of what is going on, and greatly dissapointed with the "impression"
Kinda like Vietnam. Let politics run the war.
Anyone Honestly think that for One Minute, if the military was Allowed to go ballz out and Win, we couldn't? Oh, that would just be so mean, we can't do that.
Oh please.
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When we pull out I hope we blow up every power station, poison every well, and destroy every hospital before we leave. It could be our way of saying thanks.
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You sort of did that already ;)
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Originally posted by ROC
Just because the Pres is caving to political pressure of the hand wringers does not mean we are getting our butts kicked.
The guys I know over there are quite proud of what is going on, and greatly dissapointed with the "impression"
Kinda like Vietnam. Let politics run the war.
Anyone Honestly think that for One Minute, if the military was Allowed to go ballz out and Win, we couldn't? Oh, that would just be so mean, we can't do that.
Oh please.
Very true....We are in the situation we are in right now, because of the limitations we have put on ourself...This war could be won in a month, but WWII is in the past, and we will NEVER again fight an all out war
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I even have my doubts that we would respond to a nuclear attack, with our nukes.....If it's state sponsored then we better, but if Al Qaeda does, I doubt we would...i hope im wrong and it never happens to begin with
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In the town I work for, Sturbridge MA, we had the wars first casualty to a sniper yesterday. Marine 2nd Lt. Joshua Booth. 2nd Batt. 3rd Reg. Actually it was more like an assassination. Booth was well liked by the Iraqi people in the reigon he was patrolling and he went out of his way to escort civilians through a dangerous part of the town. He was only in-country for a month.
Booth leaves behind a pregnant wife and an 18 month old daughter.
My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and to all of our servicemen and women who fight for our country. God bless them and keep them safe till they all come home.
Obie
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Lt. Booth
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Originally posted by RedRadr
germany? japan? nothings inevitable..
basic math.
overwhelming numbers on the scale seen in ww2 and a formal declaration of unconditional surender from the defeated regime change things.
a couple hundered thousand hi tech troopers policing millions of disgruntled people... well its not inevitability its more cause and effect.
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Did any of you stop to think that this video and others like it is no less a weapon in the war the enemy is waging than is the sniper's rifle? You'd be wrong if you think it isn't. They can inflict far more damage on us than the mere killing of one of our troops. Just by demonstrating the killing and then broadcasting it is using the killing and film as a weapon that has far far mor impact on the war than the casualty. It allows that killing to be amplified multiple times in a broadcast war that our media is gleefully cooperating in.
We could win every battle on the ground overseas and still lose the war (any war) here in this country because of this kind of weapon, so effective in destroying the will of the people to successfully wage that war.
A conversation with Giap after the fall of siagon was printed in a book titled "On Strategy and Tactics, a Study of the Viet Nam Conflict". (I believe that is the complete title, it's been almost 20 years since I read it in Command and General Staff College)
In the conversation it was pointed out to Giap that on the battle field the Americans never lost a major engagement. Giap replied that that observation was correct, it was "also irrelevant"
Al Q and other radical muslim groups learned that lesson and know exactly why it is so important to control the news flow. They did it regarding the latest dust up with the Isreali's just recently and they are doing it to us now. They don't have to win on the battlefield, they just have to guide the media and the media will defeat the public. Public opinion is far more important to the war in this case than is the actual control of the battlefield. If you can infulence the public opinion, you direct the course of the enemies politics and therefor the war. It works in fighting a democracy, but not so much a dictatorship.
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Should just flatten the whole damn country and make them dependant on us for everything. Water, food, medicine etc
Hunger is a great motivator to make nice nice
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Cit, gives you a hint of how I feel when I ear French war jokes. It seems to loose the funy side when I recall my Grandfather telling how his brothers died from fighting a war under-armed and under-prepared. :(