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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Roscoroo on October 21, 2006, 12:14:20 AM
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"I'd like a Drink" ... tee hee
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Or
"96k ft and falling like a rock sir"
Followed by
"this is gonna be different"
Good Epp :aok
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"You did it. You brought them home, Saul."
"Not all off them."
"You found her! You saved my daughter!"
Agreed, good epp. Lots of juicy stuff to come. Oh, nice bank shot Lee.:aok
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Originally posted by rpm
"You did it. You brought them home, Saul."
"Not all off them."
"You found her! You saved my daughter!"
Agreed, good epp. Lots of juicy stuff to come. Oh, nice bank shot Lee.:aok
That's funny, when I saw that I said, "Oooh, bank shot."
Good episode.
I'm glad they didn't drag out that out too long.
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Originally posted by majic
That's funny, when I saw that I said, "Oooh, bank shot."
Good episode.
I'm glad they didn't drag out that out too long.
I was thinking the exact same thing. too many more eppisodes on occupation would have gotten old quickly.
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this series just rocks, plain and simple. best sci-fi in a loooong time.
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I can't believe I'm still having to convince people to watch this.
Last night was excellent.
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During the "turbulence" sequence, my wife and I were both shouting, especially right before the second jump. Holy crap!
Adama, you CRAZY.
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Heh, just saw it tonight. Freakin' sweet. :)
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Originally posted by wooley
I can't believe I'm still having to convince people to watch this.
Last night was excellent.
Ditto. I wanted to talk about the show to somebody at work today and nobody had seen or even heard about it. "Uhh, is it like Star Wars or something?":huh
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FTL FTW!
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I'm sooo tempted to go download the next couple of episodes, but I guess it's better to be patient and watch 'em when they get aired here in the states...
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
I'm sooo tempted to go download the next couple of episodes, but I guess it's better to be patient and watch 'em when they get aired here in the states...
Might as well download them - will take you 1 hour.
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I like the show.
I was listening to NPR commie radio the other day tho and they were getting all wet over it... I don't think I get what they get out of it.
They pointed out the suicide bombing of the "secret police" as being the same as the iraq suicide bombers like we should have sympathy for the insurgents who do it in iraq... like this made them sympathetic characters that we could understand the motives of.
It was laughable. Like every death in the world from the beggining of time was the same. They also made a point of the cylon sharron and us "likeing her" and she turned out to be a cylon.. course... they didn't mention that she ended up trying to assaisnate the admiral.
Nope... I get out of the series.... black clad ninja secret police.... gun control run rampant... religious fanatics who aren't happy till they destroy all the infidels. Liberal and powerful governments out to destroy individuality for social reasons.
lazs
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I started watching it a few weeks ago, am currently about 2/3 through the 2nd season. I'm enjoying it but it's more drama than science fiction and there are more than a few holes in some of the stories.
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I wish I didnt have ADD. I just watch it for the spaceship scenes.
Other than that...zzzzzz...BSG.
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Good science fiction is always about the human condition, and usually a subset of drama. SciFi isn't about space ships, it's about finding a level of metaphor to use to talk about humanity that will disarm the viewer from their usual preconceived notions. BSG is a perfect example of this.
Some of the worst examples of science fiction have been the ones with the most special effects.
Not every story in this genre can begin with "A fleet of Zorgon ships roared through space, their positron drives screaming into the ultraviolet as they powered up their hyperspace generators" or "With a massive blast, the Ultra-Cannon began firing into the spinning thought-vortex below, its planet-sized projectiles twisting the very fabric of space as they ripped downwards at just below the speed of light".
The best stuff revolves around situations that the reader/viewer could empathize with.
EDIT: But I still like the big super mega fx scenes, don't get me wrong. It's a condiment, though, not the whole meal.
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Originally posted by Regular
I wish I didnt have ADD. I just watch it for the spaceship scenes.
Other than that...zzzzzz...BSG.
Then you gotta watch this last episode. There's one spaceship scene where both my wife and I said 'holy crap' at the same time. It's the 'turbulence' one I mentioned above.
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I agree that good sci-fi is not about "spaceships" and that human drama is an essential part. We differ on the purpose of good sci-fi though. I prefer mine to include new ideas which spark the imagination rather than being metaphors which may or may not give us a different perspective on our condition. Good sci-fi lives in books and rarely in movies or tv shows.
Originally posted by Chairboy
Good science fiction is always about the human condition, and usually a subset of drama. SciFi isn't about space ships, it's about finding a level of metaphor to use to talk about humanity that will disarm the viewer from their usual preconceived notions. BSG is a perfect example of this.
Some of the worst examples of science fiction have been the ones with the most special effects.
Not every story in this genre can begin with "A fleet of Zorgon ships roared through space, their positron drives screaming into the ultraviolet as they powered up their hyperspace generators" or "With a massive blast, the Ultra-Cannon began firing into the spinning thought-vortex below, its planet-sized projectiles twisting the very fabric of space as they ripped downwards at just below the speed of light".
The best stuff revolves around situations that the reader/viewer could empathize with.
EDIT: But I still like the big super mega fx scenes, don't get me wrong. It's a condiment, though, not the whole meal.
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Yep, good episode. The "turbulance" scene was especially good, and really took me by surprise. That kind of "thinking outside the box" maneuver was simply cool. And if my arithmetic is correct, I think Lee's basestar score is now at least one ahead of Papa Adama's. One more and I think he's and ace (but where will he paint his kills?).
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Basestar Ace: That'd be a hell of an accomplishment. Of course, we don't know whether or not Adama scored any 40 years back during the first conflict.
Of course, it might be one of those tactics vs. strategy situations. A short term tactic of "Kill the basestars" would be secondary to a long term strategy of "save the human race", for example.
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One thing that kinda seemed odd to me was why Pegasus didn't jump out of the battle after Galactica was safe. You know...now you see me, now you don't. Of course I don't know all the details of TFL, but Galctica was able to make multiple jumps pretty quick. But then we would'nt have seen the the following of the original storyline.
That's a major selling point for me with BSG, they always manage to work in details true to the original storyline.
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well if Lee wasnt furballing the pegasus .... it might of survived .
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I coulda sworn I heard someone on the Pegasus bridge announce that they had lost FTL. If that happened, and you had a skeleton crew, there'd be no way to get it up and running again. I guess part of being a captain is knowing when to abandon ship.
Speculation, of course, I may be confusing the "we lost the FTL" comment on Galactica just before that with an imagined event on the Pegasus.
The only thing missing, really, was Lloyd Bridges in the captains chair during the collision.
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galactica did lose FTL. then when lee entered fight,adama had crew concentrate on getting it back. awsome episode
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I know Galactica lost it at one point, I'm trying to remember if Pegasus did as well.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I know Galactica lost it at one point, I'm trying to remember if Pegasus did as well.
They had a one way ticket from the beginning. Lee knew that Galactica wouldn't be able to pull it off alone and the transports wouldn't make it either (Galatica wouldn't been able to hold the basestars long enough).
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
I'm sooo tempted to go download the next couple of episodes, but I guess it's better to be patient and watch 'em when they get aired here in the states...
I download them as they come up... they're always up in HDTV quality, and usually fast torrents. Plus, they don't start airing the season til like January in Canada. I'm not even sure when it's on TV here, really.
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Sad to see the Pegasus go..:cry
Hell of a way to go out though. I wonder if Tigh is going to get an eyepatch or a glass eye now? I vote for the patch.:aok
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Originally posted by Slash27
Hell of a way to go out though. I wonder if Tigh is going to get an eyepatch or a glass eye now? I vote for the patch.:aok
HARRR! BSG is awesome me matey's!@!@
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Frac'n HARRRR!!!!
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Harr!!!!1~!
:noid
The series rawks the way Lazer wish he did in the 38. Frackin' mouse dweeb.
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Originally posted by wetrat
I download them as they come up... they're always up in HDTV quality, and usually fast torrents. Plus, they don't start airing the season til like January in Canada. I'm not even sure when it's on TV here, really.
HDTV Quality.. where?
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Originally posted by Fishu
HDTV Quality.. where?
on the internet. If I miss an Epp I usually DL one from usenet (alt.binaires.scifi) and it's usually in HD. Or get them from a torrent site.
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I agree that good sci fi is not just special effects.
I find that I wouldn't want to live in the BSG world tho. It seems like ridged socialism to me without any real individualism.. heavy handed government with complete control over every aspect of every citizens life.
Unlike the world created in Firefly... there was a world I would like to live in!
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I agree that good sci fi is not just special effects.
I find that I wouldn't want to live in the BSG world tho. It seems like ridged socialism to me without any real individualism.. heavy handed government with complete control over every aspect of every citizens life.
Unlike the world created in Firefly... there was a world I would like to live in!
lazs
as far as the social aspects of the show, I don't see how free enterprise could make it there. It would be like the inmates running the asylum.....not too much different then we have here today. ;)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
on the internet. If I miss an Epp I usually DL one from usenet (alt.binaires.scifi) and it's usually in HD. Or get them from a torrent site.
The thing is that I haven't found any better quality than the crappy ~
350mb versions. Unfortunately I don't have an access to a good usenet server.
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Lazs, the question is, how much of the central authority is inherent in their government, and how much is a secondary result of the Cylon attack? Characters like Tom Zarek (Richard Hatch) seem to suggest that there's a lot of resistance to the heavy handed, authoritarian government that Roslyn set up.
The real problem, it seems, is that they need the centralized control of a fleet captain because of the immediate threat of the Cylons, and at the same time they need civilian control to set long term objectives as to the direction the survivors will go. That's why the conflict between Roslyn and Adama was so great.
I bet Zarek will be the new leader, and he'll butt heads spectacularly with Adama.
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Originally posted by Fishu
The thing is that I haven't found any better quality than the crappy ~
350mb versions. Unfortunately I don't have an access to a good usenet server.
the HDTV versions run ~350mb...
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Lazs, the question is, how much of the central authority is inherent in their government, and how much is a secondary result of the Cylon attack? Characters like Tom Zarek (Richard Hatch) seem to suggest that there's a lot of resistance to the heavy handed, authoritarian government that Roslyn set up.
I bet Zarek will be the new leader, and he'll butt heads spectacularly with Adama.
I think they'll give it back to Roslyn , But with Tom as her Side now . (insert the bolth of them eating Crackers in bed scene here)
Baltar will get his own cylon Harem now and his own basestar .
the thing thats really missing from this BSG vs the Original, is the Diversity of each colony . they also dont mention the different goverments each had .
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the thing thats really missing from this BSG vs the Original, is the Diversity of each colony . they also dont mention the different goverments each had
That and the 70s disco party planet :)
Charon
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What about the kid with the funnay looking bear/dog/robot?
As far as Col. Tigh is concerned, got to be an eyepatch!!!
Now that BSG is a solid hit, how long before we see more of the original cast work themselves into the series? Richard Hatch has made a juicy little role for himself. How long before Dirk Benedict and Jane Seymour make an appearance? Lotsa planets between Caprica-II and Earth...
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What about the kid with the funnay looking bear/dog/robot?
LOL, it was jumping the shark so hard it reached orbit.
Richard Hatch has made a juicy little role for himself.
And he's really doing a great job with it, IMO.
Charon
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Originally posted by rpm
Now that BSG is a solid hit, how long before we see more of the original cast work themselves into the series?
As long as Lorne Green doesn't show up, we're fine.
I can do without Wolfman Jack too.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
As long as Lorne Green doesn't show up, we're fine.
If he does, I'm TiVo'ing.
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Originally posted by wetrat
the HDTV versions run ~350mb...
yup, what he said.
The 350mb versions look great on a computer and just fine using my TV out Svideo cable.
For an hour long show, a decent to good DivX format version will run about 75mb. Unless I plan on keeping it I don't waist the time and b/w downloading any tv show bigger than that. A normal movie in decent viewing is about 750mb in the same format.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
As long as Lorne Green doesn't show up, we're fine.
If He shows up ... I defentally Want whatever he has .:noid
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
If He shows up ... I defentally Want whatever he has .:noid
LOL (http://www.hollywoodusa.co.uk/HillsideObituaries/lornegreen.htm)
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Thank you, thank you.
Chairboy bows
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yup, what he said.
The 350mb versions look great on a computer and just fine using my TV out Svideo cable.
For an hour long show, a decent to good DivX format version will run about 75mb. Unless I plan on keeping it I don't waist the time and b/w downloading any tv show bigger than that. A normal movie in decent viewing is about 750mb in the same format.
I start the torrent for BSG whenever I wake up on Saturday, and it's usually done downloading in about half an hour. A show like BSG needs to be seen in high quality, and 30 minutes seems reasonable considering it takes me longer than that to shower, drink as much water as possible (grrr hangovers on Saturday), and eat something. :cool: Plus, the HDTV versions look badass on my laptop.
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The 350MB ones are not HD. I haven't seen any season 3 HD rips available yet.
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Originally posted by rpm
What about the kid with the funnay looking bear/dog/robot?
"Boxey" was the kids name and he made an appearance in the minseries. He was the kid in the Raptor that got Baltar off Caprica and stranded Helo. I would hope that robot panda thing never shows up.
the thing thats really missing from this BSG vs the Original, is the Diversity of each colony . they also dont mention the different goverments each had .
Its had been touched upon some but nothing in any real detail
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Originally posted by Sancho
The 350MB ones are not HD. I haven't seen any season 3 HD rips available yet.
By HD rips, I mean the show is ripped off an HD feed. i.e. looks badass on a computer
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The show is on the SCI-FI channel which doesn't broadcast in HD yet.
So where people are getting HD rips from?
Universal-HD shows BSG, but not the latest episodes.
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battlestar.galactica.2x12.108 0i.h264.dd20.sample.part1.rar
I havnt' seen any season 3 HDs yet, it's mostly other shows that I tend to DL.
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Originally posted by wetrat
By HD rips, I mean the show is ripped off an HD feed. i.e. looks badass on a computer
Only if sufficient bandwidth is used to encode the HD feed. With insufficient bandwidth you can make a HD feed look just as crappy on a computer as videos on Youtube.
That's the problem.. the 350mb versions may be HD rips but they're not HD quality.
I've heard rumours of 700mb versions that supposedly are HD quality.
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Fishu, you may be right about them not being HD quality, but keep in mind that DivX MPEG 4 encoding will get more quality with less space than the equivalent MPEG 2 stream. It may be possible to get "into the ballpark" at that size.
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chair.. the BSG government is a military occupation. the only good thing about it is that it's that or the cylons.... even more oppressive....
I simply don't like the world they are creating. If you look at it you will see that it is only ok in the way socialism and commie governments are... In that the only people with choices and lives worth living are those in power or close to the power.
they hint that some are not happy with the oppressive government but.... just like in real life.. those people are never shown... only the important people and... they only interact with other important people. They seem to treat the little people with studied indifference.
It would be odd to me that there wouldn't be more arrests. I can't imagine people being that happy about a millitary dictatorship.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
It would be odd to me that there wouldn't be more arrests. I can't imagine people being that happy about a millitary dictatorship.
Did you watch last season?
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I heard getting rid of Pegasus was done due to costs have having two battlestar sets. So it was an external production issue, and not just a story driven decision.
Overall, BSG was the series I looked forward to seeing the most. It's now 2nd behind Heroes for me.
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I heard that Ron Moore was really looking forward to having the set space back, dunno about costs.
I sure hope Apollo gutted the Pegasus of everything valuable before going to New Caprica. The Pegasus represented huge manufacturing capability, had a large store of spare parts, lots of weaponry, etc. Too bad they couldn't have transferred flags to it instead.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I heard that Ron Moore was really looking forward to having the set space back, dunno about costs.
I sure hope Apollo gutted the Pegasus of everything valuable before going to New Caprica. The Pegasus represented huge manufacturing capability, had a large store of spare parts, lots of weaponry, etc. Too bad they couldn't have transferred flags to it instead.
We'd be calling the show BSP then. ;)
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At least it wasn't the Battlestar Unicorn.
Here are some story milestones/predictions:
* Fleet picks up a refugee ship that has turned cannibal.
* Count Iblis - An alien character from the first series, perhaps not alien this time but instead a different AI from the Cylon era)
* Robotic Cylon attack dogs are used (which ends up being the mechanism to get Boxey his pet when they capture and reprogram/convert one)
* Baltar gets his own personal troop carrier (but converted to a flying pleasure palace)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
At least it wasn't the Battlestar Unicorn.
Here are some story milestones/predictions:
* Fleet picks up a refugee ship that has turned cannibal.
REAVERS! RUN!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Good science fiction is always about the human condition, and usually a subset of drama. SciFi isn't about space ships, it's about finding a level of metaphor to use to talk about humanity that will disarm the viewer from their usual preconceived notions.
The best stuff revolves around situations that the reader/viewer could empathize with.
Quite true!
One of the most dynamic and involving Sci-Fi shows for me has always been Firefox, the show they made the movie Serenity from. Too bad the original series was never shown in order, in its entirety. It was shown on Friday nights by Fox, and pre-empted by baseball games.
Lots of subplots and humor, often revolving around government control and manipulation of the masses.
Wish Sci-Fi channel would grab it and run with it like they have with BSG!
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Originally posted by Fishu
Only if sufficient bandwidth is used to encode the HD feed. With insufficient bandwidth you can make a HD feed look just as crappy on a computer as videos on Youtube.
That's the problem.. the 350mb versions may be HD rips but they're not HD quality.
I've heard rumours of 700mb versions that supposedly are HD quality.
Either way when veiwing 41 minute show in DIVX AVI format 300mb is normal i guess. 700mb is overkill as you wouldn't notice a difference on a computer monitor let alone a TV using the S-Video out on your card.
Decent quality is achieved with a file of around half that. If you convert it to MPG4 for DVD the size nearly doubles so I think I know where you are getting at but I'm not talking about mpegs.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I simply don't like the world they are creating.
Anything not done in it's original German is unacceptable to Lazs.
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Originally posted by Nifty
I heard getting rid of Pegasus was done due to costs have having two battlestar sets. So it was an external production issue, and not just a story driven decision.
Overall, BSG was the series I looked forward to seeing the most. It's now 2nd behind Heroes for me.
Did the Pegasus ever make a return in the original series after its "fate unkown" encounter with the Basestars?
And why is Firefly not rerun on SciFi? I saw the movie but never an episode.
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Firefly is running back to back with BSG Sunday nights on UniversalHD.
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They do firefly reruns on scifi. They occasionally have marathons, too.
You could just buy the DVD's... they're worth it. :)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
They do firefly reruns on scifi. They occasionally have marathons, too.
You could just buy the DVD's... they're worth it. :)
Good point.:D
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I'm pretty sure the original series Pegasus went bye bye. Dunno for sure, I don't really watch the reruns of the old series and I don't remember what happened when I watched it as a kid.
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Originally posted by Nifty
I'm pretty sure the original series Pegasus went bye bye. Dunno for sure, I don't really watch the reruns of the old series and I don't remember what happened when I watched it as a kid.
Yup... Lloyd Bridges was too aggressive and took it in too close to a Base Star... Kablooie.
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Originally posted by Dux
Yup... Lloyd Bridges was too aggressive and took it in too close to a Base Star... Kablooie.
Yup. What he said.
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guess I'm gonna have to start watching this show, sounds pretty danged good
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rpm.. I would not be surprised if you liked the BSG world.... lots of good socialists all working together.
Contrast that with Firefly.... individualists compared to BSG robots... In BSG it is often hard to tell who is the robot... certainly the elite in BSG don't have any more respect for the people they govern than they do for the robots...
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
rpm.. I would not be surprised if you liked the BSG world.... lots of good socialists all working together.
Right, so you didn't watch last season at all.
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yes I did... what is your point?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
rpm.. I would not be surprised if you liked the BSG world.... lots of good socialists all working together.
Contrast that with Firefly.... individualists compared to BSG robots... In BSG it is often hard to tell who is the robot... certainly the elite in BSG don't have any more respect for the people they govern than they do for the robots...
lazs
Why get wrapped up in the politics of fiction? Who cares? Just enjoy the show... I used to watch the West Wing, despite disagreeing with the entirety of American foreign policy. It was a _good show_. Who cares about the politics if it's entertaining?
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There is really next to nothing good on TV for sci-fi these days except BSG, its certainly not perfect, but at least they try. I cant stand "Stargate SG:1" and "Andromeda" is a kids show.
As for the politics of it, the shows intent is not a blueprint for our future, I could care less, I just want it to be entertaining.
I will say this though, of all the "future societies" I would NOT want to live in "Star Trek: TNG" tops my list hands down. I would set my phaser to kill and evaporate myself (im sure they probably dont have that setting anymore so maybe just jump off a bridge would do), that or defect to the Klingons. ;)
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Spoiler:
For anyone who hasn't seen Exodus, Part II, here's the money shot and you really, really shouldn't watch this clip. For everyone else, daaaaaamn!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j0cAi8z3t9Q
"This should be different."
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Originally posted by lazs2
rpm.. I would not be surprised if you liked the BSG world.... lots of good socialists all working together.
Contrast that with Firefly.... individualists compared to BSG robots... In BSG it is often hard to tell who is the robot... certainly the elite in BSG don't have any more respect for the people they govern than they do for the robots...
lazs
You mean besides the whole Alliance thing in Firefly, right? Serenity itself is nothing more than a dictatorship. It's Mal's way or... Mal's way. :) He might occasionally listen to a crew member's opinion though.
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Originally posted by Nifty
You mean besides the whole Alliance thing in Firefly, right? Serenity itself is nothing more than a dictatorship. It's Mal's way or... Mal's way. :) He might occasionally listen to a crew member's opinion though.
It's not a dictatorship. No one was coerced into joining the crew, or staying part of it. Infact some practically begged to stay part of the crew. When Book and Space Ho decided to leave the ship Mal didn't put a gun to their head and say they couldnt'.
Serenity is an venture in free enterprise. A capitalist invested his wealth in a ship, and provides gainful employment, shelter and board for people who might otherwise not have it...or be in a much worse situation without the option he gave them.
For him doing this service he gets use of their skills and/or other compensations. Both sides make out better than they would without each other. And for this you call him a dictator? Absolutely not. But there is label for people that make the same arguement you are making.
"Commie."
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Tonights extra goodies ....only good for a few hours
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/code/code_check.php (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/code/code_check.php)
Password rift
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If anyone is interested, I did some math by referencing the last scene of the 'fall' in last week's episode and figured that it was dropping at 1,000mph. I'll share my math if anyone is interested, but I may hold the 'alpha dork' status on my own.
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Originally posted by lazs2
rpm.. I would not be surprised if you liked the BSG world.... lots of good socialists all working together.
Contrast that with Firefly.... individualists compared to BSG robots... In BSG it is often hard to tell who is the robot... certainly the elite in BSG don't have any more respect for the people they govern than they do for the robots...
lazs
LOL, I've never given much thought to the political leanings of science fiction. I don't know what you mean about the BSG leaders. You must not understand the storyline.
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sci fi is the best place to explore political ideas taken to extremes.
I agree with thrawn about Firefly. The allience is big government and the colonies are like states if....
If...We had states rights... the U.S. could be like that without a strong central government that will come and kill you if you exercise your state or human rights.
Imagine if you could have states with any rights that were constitutional... people could move to states that best suited their political leanings.
BSG is nothing but a strong central government... it was before the attack and earlier episodes hint that there was a large amount of political prisoners.
That does not mean I don't enjoy the show... I do. I just wouldn't want to live in their world as much as say the one in Firefly.
lazs
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Now that I'm current I can read this thread. :)
The show was better before they started tossing in the politicizing.
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the next question .... Is Baltar a cylon ??? hmmm the plot thickens .....
Told ya Roslyn would get the pres job back ..With Tom as VP ...
:D