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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ByeBye on October 22, 2006, 01:14:57 AM
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Everybody knows that the democrats will almost always want to raise taxes. They always vote against lowering taxes and do not want to make Bush's tax cuts permanent.
The dems say that the tax cut only helped the rich. That's funny, since tax revenues are now at an all time high AFTER the tax cuts but they still want to repeal the cuts.
Why wouldn't any American NOT vote for a democrat based on just this issue alone?
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Maybe it's the only solution after republicans leaves a huge debt after them.
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I agree, the Democans are terrible. The Republicrats are way better.
"It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us."
:rolleyes:
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socialists are not supposed to post in these types of threads. go back to appeasing the former USSR
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Why do Democrats raise taxes? For public and social programs.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Why do Democrats raise taxes? For public and social programs.
:rofl tell me that you posted that tongue planted firmly in cheek.
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Before you start such a silly thread. Look up the national debt with the democrats. (that would be a surplus). Then look up the national debt with the republicans.
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Why?
(http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif)
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let me ask this again, why are you guys always concerned with the daily goings on in the United States of America?
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The dems tax and spend, the repubs borrow and spend. The borrow and spend allows you to say you didn't raise taxes.
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Originally posted by storch
let me ask this again, why are you guys always concerned with the daily goings on in the United States of America?
Because the US of A has a funny way of affecting rest of the world with its goings. If it has something to do with us, it's our concern.
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the democratic party has always sought to buy votes by re-distributing your money. There is no question that the democratic party has a greater tendancy towards socialism than republicans. Public programs cost money. Not all public programs are uneccesary or wasteful, but the tendancy towards buying votes is there. That is why all welfare addicts, with no exceptions, are democratic.
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The democrats hate to see any American keep the money in his paycheck, and would rather tax it away to distribute among the minorities who feel a sense of entitlement rather than a desire to work.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
The dems tax and spend, the repubs borrow and spend. The borrow and spend allows you to say you didn't raise taxes.
Thank you. It also forces the next guys to raise taxes to keep the country from going bankrupt like the USSR.
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Originally posted by Dago
The democrats hate to see any American keep the money in his paycheck, and would rather tax it away to distribute among the minorities who feel a sense of entitlement rather than a desire to work.
As opposed to the pubes who just throw it all away on foriegn policy, which is the act of distributing all of our money to minorities, overseas, where as we get absolutley no benifits whatsoever.
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I would rather my tax money go to people in the U.S. than people halfway around the world.
A nation is judged on how it treats its poor, sick, old, and criminal. If you'd rather build schools in Iraq and Afghanistan than in the U.S., thats insane. 'Americans first' is my motto.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I would rather my tax money go to people in the U.S. than people halfway around the world.
A nation is judged on how it treats its poor, sick, old, and criminal. If you'd rather build schools in Iraq and Afghanistan than in the U.S., thats insane. 'Americans first' is my motto.
Some peopel are conditioned to regurgitate thier parties accusations against the other party without even considering any effort to investigate the charge. Yes, how foolish is it to give future terroists schools and hospitals, instead of building them here at home. How interesting would it be to see what 500,000,000,000.00 dollars invested in clean burning domestic fuel sources would yield, now that we know what the same amount invested in a democratic iraq produces.
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Yeah, I agree. Or what about, instead of trying to rehabilitate terrorists, lets start with the 1+ million prisoners we have here in the U.S. Very few of us will ever come across a terrorist, but we have to live with criminals.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Because the US of A has a funny way of affecting rest of the world with its goings. If it has something to do with us, it's our concern.
if I were you guys I'd ignore us, the way we ignore you. the rest of the world is like a dog barking after a car on the move, attempting to bite the rear tire. sometimes the dog is run over and killed, is that the driver's fault?
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Originally posted by Fishu
Because the US of A has a funny way of affecting rest of the world with its goings. If it has something to do with us, it's our concern.
This is the exact sentiment of my wifes family, from Iran. Bush et al are constantly promoting our democracy & freedom as the way to go in the mid east. Then they read about the DC crime families act un-american by silencing opposing opinions, re drawing districts, suing to limit choice, Illegally keeping independent candidates with opposing opinions off ballots... and manipulating the system to keep power at all costs... on top of the endless scandals that the family Dons never know about.
Dems and repubs like to blame each other, while folks in other countries look at the Gov as a whole.
They're quite frankly not all that interested in turning their gov into the inept romper room the clones have devolved our system into... they like the idea of USA democracy, just not the way we do it.
They also think a 2 party system is a complete joke, when only 2 opinions are represented in gov... everyone else gets left out, and the guarantee of power corrupts.
Ed:
BTW back in the day, some of our forefathers said the best way to promote American democracy is by example; you can thank both the republicains & Democrats for setting a horrifying example to the rest of the world.
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It's their job.
The politician's job is to make laws. If they're not making or reforming laws or taxes they feel that they're not giving the impression that they're working.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
This is the exact sentiment of my wifes family, from Iran.
oh yes, Iran has a much better political system. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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My dream...
* Repeal income tax
* Implement VATs (Value Added Tax) or GSTs (Goods and Services Tax) on consumer goods or when you buy a house / car
:)
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Like I always say, "Never generalize, you'll always be wrong."
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Originally posted by Pei
I agree, the Democans are terrible. The Republicrats are way better.
"It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us."
:rolleyes:
Great episode.
Unfornately most americans hold that statement to be true, that it's a two party system, and you must vote for one or the other.
The twine that tethers the elephant.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Thank you. It also forces the next guys to raise taxes to keep the country from going bankrupt like the USSR.
Did you notice the part about tax revenues being at an all time high AFTER the Bush tax cuts? That's more money than the government has ever taken in before from taxes.
Tax cuts work every time.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
Did you notice the part about tax revenues being at an all time high AFTER the Bush tax cuts? That's more money than the government has ever taken in before from taxes.
Tax cuts work every time.
Nah, not everytime. They provide the potential for growth, but they don't cause it. As for the record high tax incomes, is it a direct correlation to the tax breaks? I'm going to say no. There are a variety of causes, corporations being forced to pay more, population growth, import taxes, etc.
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Originally posted by 1K3
My dream...
* Repeal income tax
* Implement VATs (Value Added Tax) or GSTs (Goods and Services Tax) on consumer goods or when you buy a house / car
:)
I don't think a VAT would have a snowballs chance in hell of making it in the USA. With the accountability built in, corporations would be forced to pay their taxes - that is unacceptable to them, and to their politicians.
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Corporations do not pay taxes, they just collect them
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Originally posted by ByeBye
Everybody knows that the democrats will almost always want to raise taxes. They always vote against lowering taxes and do not want to make Bush's tax cuts permanent.
The dems say that the tax cut only helped the rich. That's funny, since tax revenues are now at an all time high AFTER the tax cuts but they still want to repeal the cuts.
Why wouldn't any American NOT vote for a democrat based on just this issue alone?
after the fat free yogurt the fact free post
WhatAreYouPostingAbout ?
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to play their Robin Hood card thus paying back their base through entitlement programs funded off the backs of the working class
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Nah, not everytime. They provide the potential for growth, but they don't cause it. As for the record high tax incomes, is it a direct correlation to the tax breaks? I'm going to say no. There are a variety of causes, corporations being forced to pay more, population growth, import taxes, etc.
What we're talking about here is basic economics. Something liberals will never learn because they are too busy with their women's studies classes, and rallies for homosexuals on campus.
The record tax income is directly from tax cuts. It's called Laugher's Curve (I believe, it's been a while since I had economics). There's a magic point where you get more money then any other point on the curve. If you tax less then this point, you get less money, if you tax more then this point, you get less money.
It has directly to do with supply and demand, and applies equally as well. Basically, if you charge more in taxes, less of the product will be sold, thus you'll get less money, even though you're charging a higher percentage. If you charge less, you'll be getting more people paying taxes, but at a lower percentage, thus you get less.
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The easiest answer is that democrats believe in equality of outcome.
They believe that if everyone doesn't have the exact same bundle of toys that the toys need to be collected by the nanny and redistributed.
The practical application of this is that they have to raise taxes on the ones who achieve and give to the ones who don't (for whatever reason).
The sad result of this is that the achievers allways manage to achieve but they do it in a way that they keep the most of what they have and become.... selfish..or, more selfish as the case may be.
The other result is that people who would normally feel compassion and charity no longer do... they co-opt that to the government... they shut that part of them off saying to themselves that the government will take care of the less fortunate and they are released (by paying taxes) from the obligation.
lazs
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
What we're talking about here is basic economics. Something liberals will never learn because they are too busy with their women's studies classes, and rallies for homosexuals on campus.
The record tax income is directly from tax cuts. It's called Laugher's Curve (I believe, it's been a while since I had economics). There's a magic point where you get more money then any other point on the curve. If you tax less then this point, you get less money, if you tax more then this point, you get less money.
It has directly to do with supply and demand, and applies equally as well. Basically, if you charge more in taxes, less of the product will be sold, thus you'll get less money, even though you're charging a higher percentage. If you charge less, you'll be getting more people paying taxes, but at a lower percentage, thus you get less.
I guess its been a while since you took a logic class too. Nothing you wrote proves your point. It was very vitriolic though, so cudos for that.
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"government of the people, by the people, for the people"
GIGO - Greedy In Greedy Out
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Originally posted by lazs2
The easiest answer is that democrats believe in equality of outcome.
lazs
No, they believe in equality of opportunity. Big difference.
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To prove my point? I wasn't trying to prove my point, just offer an explanation of how the real world works.
But to ask you to learn anything is rediculous. You don't have time to fit in economics over your women's right's classes.
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When in doubt go with what you know laser....
The tax revenue increase could be due to other factors, maybe you could read up on these other possibilities. Or were you assuming zero population growth and zero trade changes and zero economic groth in all sectors and zero change in unemployment and zero IQ of the folks reading this BBS?
Maybe that wasn't covered in sheepshank 101.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No, they believe in equality of opportunity. Big difference.
Nice try MT, this is what libs say, but it it was true, there would be no need for wealth transfer or affirmative action, now would be?
Equal opportunity means that everyone is allowed to go to school. It does not meam that everybody deserves to graduate.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The record tax income is directly from tax cuts. It's called Laugher's Curve (I believe, it's been a while since I had economics). There's a magic point where you get more money then any other point on the curve. If you tax less then this point, you get less money, if you tax more then this point, you get less money.
Huge part of "the record tax income" has been funded by raising national debt. Where does the magic curve go for excessive debt raising?
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Originally posted by Pei
But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us."
:rolleyes:
I voted for Perot both times. Now, I'm voting Independant again, the two-party system has failed.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
To prove my point? I wasn't trying to prove my point, just offer an explanation of how the real world works.
But to ask you to learn anything is rediculous. You don't have time to fit in economics over your women's right's classes.
You should ask for a refund from wherever you purportedly studied economics. The Laffer Curve isn't supposed to describe "how the real world works"; it's a deliberately over-simplified construct intended to illustrate the law of diminishing returns as applied to taxation. It isn't supposed to be taken literally, since it excludes every factor except tax rate vs tax revenue.
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fEdErAl IcoMe tAx iS uNCOnstiTuTioNaL :huh
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Huge part of "the record tax income" has been funded by raising national debt. Where does the magic curve go for excessive debt raising?
Again, this is another part of basic economics. Since you didn't understand microeconomics, I wouldn't think you'd understand macroeconomics.
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mietla.... beat me to it. Libertarians believe in eqaulity of opportunity while socialist and democrats believe in equality of outcome.
Afirmitive action and such are perfect examples of trying to get an equal outcome... "Hate crimes" are an attempt and getting an equal outcome... neither has anything to do with equality of opportunity. Our tax system is meant to punish those who work the hardest and reward those who work the least. This is classic equality of outcome at the expense of any real equality of opportunity.
lazs
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Again, this is another part of basic economics. Since you didn't understand microeconomics, I wouldn't think you'd understand macroeconomics.
Right.. I see, the problem is circumenvented by refusing to pay back the debt.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Right.. I see, the problem is circumenvented by refusing to pay back the debt.
just wondering what the tax rates in finland are these days? a gallon of gas?
sorry, no one in their right mind is going to vote for higher taxes .. unless it is some robin hood dem (then again I stated 'right mind') trying to tax the rich to give it to the poor, their voting base..
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a gallon of gas in finland is hovering around $8.00 according to my dad who just returned from a baltic cruise.
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It has more to do with the state of the economy, then it does as a measurement of debt. Or the paying back of debt.
You can either do a balanced economy, or you can do a balanced budget. Doing one can be worse for the either.
Bush was handed an economy as it was tanking. One of the plays out of the Macroeconomic playbook is to cut taxes and increase government spending. While this does raise the debt, it helps the economy grow.
On the other hand, if the economy is growing, you want to inhibit it from going too fast. If it grows too fast, inflation will go up just as fast and ruin it all. So you cut spending and raise taxes. It seems counterintuitive, but you have to trust that it works.
The other thing you have to trust is that it will always have cycles. It will always go up, and it will always go down. It is a cycle. The question is, how much will it cycle. It can have good ups (90's internet boom), and it can have big downs (great depression). But more often then not, it has small swings. Taxes and Govt. spending are direct controls. The Federal Reserve and their control of interest rates (and something else) are minor controls. You spend to get yourself out of a recession, you save when you're in a boom.
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OMFG, that troll OWNS!!!!!!1
trolls that own
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Originally posted by ByeBye
Did you notice the part about tax revenues being at an all time high AFTER the Bush tax cuts? That's more money than the government has ever taken in before from taxes.
Tax cuts work every time.
It doesnt work when the natl debt is $10,000,000,000,000.00 dollars. Just to put this in midle class terms, lets say you were allowed to rack up a $220,000.00 debt on your credit cards and then pass that debt along to the govt with no strings attached. The total taxes YOU pay on the items you purchase whould be at an all time high simply because you are spending way more money in a way shorter period than ever before. I use that 220,000.00 dollar mark because that is approxamately what each houshold in USA debt is to our govts creditors. That doesnt include the high interest rates or your own personal debt.
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Originally posted by lazs2
The easiest answer is that democrats believe in equality of outcome.
lazs
And the republicans just change the laws and oversights in order to steal the unsuspecting working man blind at a mind boggling rate. Once again, the middle man pays.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
And the republicans just change the laws and oversights in order to steal the unsuspecting working man blind at a mind boggling rate. Once again, the middle man pays.
I'm a working man and my taxes have decreased since Bush has been in office.
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Originally posted by lazs2
mietla.... beat me to it. Libertarians believe in eqaulity of opportunity while socialist and democrats believe in equality of outcome.
Afirmitive action and such are perfect examples of trying to get an equal outcome... "Hate crimes" are an attempt and getting an equal outcome... neither has anything to do with equality of opportunity. Our tax system is meant to punish those who work the hardest and reward those who work the least. This is classic equality of outcome at the expense of any real equality of opportunity.
lazs
Oh please.
Affirmative action is ALL about equal opportunity. Leveling the playing field and giving everyone a chance regardless of the circumstances set up by past history and present prejudice. No one who ever got into a college based on affirmative action was ever guaranteed a degree, just a chance at one. You and Meitla can define people all you wish, but that doesn't make your definitions factual, just repetitive.
Hate crime legislation has been passed by most States and the Federal govt. I'm pretty sure this would not be possible unless it had bipartisan support. So your assignment of this little gem to the democrats is another logical falacy. But keep on trying guys, this is fun stuff.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Oh please.
Affirmative action is ALL about equal opportunity.
I strongly dissagree. Affirmative action is racism.
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Affirmative action is ALL about equal opportunity. Leveling the playing field and giving everyone a chance regardless of the circumstances set up by past history and present prejudice.
Wow, you are just so off here.
If one person gets bonus points because of his race before grades, ability or history come into effect...
THEN IT IS NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Oh please.
Affirmative action is ALL about equal opportunity. Leveling the playing field and giving everyone a chance regardless of the circumstances set up by past history and present prejudice. No one who ever got into a college based on affirmative action was ever guaranteed a degree, just a chance at one. You and Meitla can define people all you wish, but that doesn't make your definitions factual, just repetitive.
Hate crime legislation has been passed by most States and the Federal govt. I'm pretty sure this would not be possible unless it had bipartisan support. So your assignment of this little gem to the democrats is another logical falacy. But keep on trying guys, this is fun stuff.
affirmative action has watered down our educational system to the point where we are no longer competetive on the world stage. if you don't think so then you probably rationalize other things as well.
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I agree with Midnight Target, all that affirmative action does is give someone a chance at a degree. There is definately not a representitive percentage of african-americans in college.
So is affirmative action the reason that the U.S. may be falling behind in education? Nah. The reasons are (1) education and knowledge aren't highly valued in the U.S., and (2) motivation for education is lessened from living in such a modern, luxurious society.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I agree with Midnight Target, all that affirmative action does is give someone a chance at a degree. There is definately not a representitive percentage of african-americans in college.
If someone has the brains, talent and drive and can earn a degree, then they should not be denied a degree.
Afirmative action only looks at race, not merit.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I agree with Midnight Target, all that affirmative action does is give someone a chance at a degree. There is definately not a representitive percentage of african-americans in college.
nor poor white boys but the gov doesn't step in there and hand them cash as readily. But affirmative action doesn't stop with education, it is a card they can play the rest of their lives with lawyers to back them up...
We need reverse affirmative action in professional sports just to even things up :)
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I agree with Midnight Target, all that affirmative action does is give someone a chance at a degree.
Bull. Affirmative action discriminates against deserving applicants to favor others, based solely on race. It is racism pure and simple.
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I didn't want to go there gunthr but that is absolutely the truth.
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I think affirmative action is ultimately bad for society, Storch, no matter what guilt ridden white socialist liberals may think. There are other ways to help minorities succeed that do not resort to racism.
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I guess that MT means by "equality of opportunity" is that no matter how lazy or stupid you are you should be represented in every field.
It is like saying that the field of brain surgery is lacking equality because so few retarded people are brain surgeons or saying that the prisons are not racialy equal so we need to stop arresting some and arresting others based on race till it all equals out.
My idea of equality is that when you apply for a job that only your qualifications and ability to do the job are considered... same for attendance at school.
You don't have quotas for enrollment. In the end... you may have pushed out the guy who woulda cured aids or cancer in order to make room for someone who is wasting everyones time and money.
Democrats idea of leveling the playing field is to drag everyone down to the lowest possible denominator... to spred the missery equally.
lazs
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I thought this was about taxes.
I got a pay increase last year and it bumped me into a new tax bracket thingy. I now make $100(+-) less per pay check than before the bump. I know $100(+-) is not much, but I have a real problem with the math.
As for the other stuff, I recall a conversation when Pres. Bush got elected from a person in this town, and I quote, "well, there goes the free money".
I wonder if he enjoyed my 100 bucks, THAT I WORKED FOR.
Please help the poor. It is our responsibility as human being’s. Sometimes people do need help, but a free ride (for any able bodied man or woman) …..again, I vote for the other site.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I think affirmative action is ultimately bad for society, Storch, no matter what guilt ridden white socialist liberals may think. There are other ways to help minorities succeed that do not resort to racism.
I think that race should not be on any application to anything. If no one knows your race, they can't discriminate for or against you.
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Originally posted by lukster
I'm a working man and my taxes have decreased since Bush has been in office.
Like I said. 10,000,000,000,000.00 dollar debt. Your taxes will increse, soon, probably under the democrats becasue the interest burden on this debt is 'unsustainable', according allan greenspan. How lucky the clever republican is to have so many people focus on that 4 dollars per week while the 'good ole boys' loot the national treasury.
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swims up......sniff...swims away....
MT you should be ashamed for letting them set the hook!
:furious
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Bull. Affirmative action discriminates against deserving applicants to favor others, based solely on race. It is racism pure and simple.
You guys make too much of this program. Affirmative action is a political tool concieved to garner votes from a particular group. It works for that matter and for little else, as you guys have observed. Both sides use devious tactics to aquire power.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Like I said. 10,000,000,000,000.00 dollar debt. Your taxes will increse, soon, probably under the democrats becasue the interest burden on this debt is 'unsustainable', according allan greenspan. How lucky the clever republican is to have so many people focus on that 4 dollars per week while the 'good ole boys' loot the national treasury.
We shall see. No doubt whatsover though that if the dems do come into power they will blame their tax increases on the republicans.
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Originally posted by lukster
We shall see. No doubt whatsover though that if the dems do come into power they will blame their tax increases on the republicans.
Kind of like the republicans are trying to blame 911 on clinton? Ahhh, but that will springboard us into another thread ;)
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Why do I even bother? Whitehawk, read my posts. It will explain how the debt and national economy works.
But then again, no one is expecting you to read it. You didn't catch it the first time around, why would you the second, the third or the fourth? If you don't make the effort to learn how the system works, you need to not comment about it. EVER.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
swims up......sniff...swims away....
MT you should be ashamed for letting them set the hook!
:furious
lol.. who's fishing who here?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Wow, you are just so off here.
If one person gets bonus points because of his race before grades, ability or history come into effect...
THEN IT IS NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
Size matters, but not in this case.
You of course are assuming that everyone has an equal chance to qualify for a college education, and that everyone has an equal opportunity for college prep course work and everyone has an equal opportunity to have decent teachers etc. etc..... it would be nice to live in your black and white little world, but it only exists in your mind.
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MT - I am 99% sure that his world is just a white little world. Maybe a token black or two, but that might be stretching it.
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Originally posted by Urchin
MT - I am 99% sure that his world is just a white little world. Maybe a token black or two, but that might be stretching it.
Ah, if you don't agree with someone, you either toss a slam, or you try to place the race card on them.
BS.
Affirmitive action is a sham. Laws can require equal opportunity, but to give one race an advantage in college admissions, job hiring, or business contract awards, it is simply a form of discrimination that punishes achievers and rewards those who don't strive as hard to excel.
It is a crutch to the lazy or underachivers, and it is a concept and practice that weaken a society.
A hard working minority will achieve and reap the benefits of their work and efforts regardless of race without requiring affirmitive action to help them.
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MT... I don't understand... are you saying that the democrat and socialist public school system is not working as the liberals told us it would?
The ones who want public schools and the teachers themselves are all liberals.... It should be a socialist utopia... How can you blame education for people not having equal opportunity?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
MT... I don't understand... are you saying that the democrat and socialist public school system is not working as the liberals told us it would?
The ones who want public schools and the teachers themselves are all liberals.... It should be a socialist utopia... How can you blame education for people not having equal opportunity?
lazs
obviously we just need to throw more money at it ... yeah, that always fixes everything...
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Originally posted by lazs2
mietla.... beat me to it. Libertarians believe in eqaulity of opportunity while socialist and democrats believe in equality of outcome.
Afirmitive action and such are perfect examples of trying to get an equal outcome... "Hate crimes" are an attempt and getting an equal outcome... neither has anything to do with equality of opportunity. Our tax system is meant to punish those who work the hardest and reward those who work the least. This is classic equality of outcome at the expense of any real equality of opportunity.
lazs
To play the semantics game... you mean punish those who get paid the most and reward those who get paid the least. Compensation is not always directly related to the effort of work you put in.
As for the overall theme of the thread, I do not believe that tax rates are the only factor in determining the government's revenue.
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Originally posted by mietla
Corporations do not pay taxes, they just collect them
Thank you!:aok
You wouldn't believe the flak I got for pointing that out a couple of years ago.
The consumer pays the tax of the United States. The biggest group of consumers have an income below $50,000. People in that group pay the taxes of the United States. That why its IMPOSSIBLE to tax the rich as Dems like to say. The rich just pass the cost off to the the consumer who make less than $50,000 a year.
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If it is true that corporations pay no taxes... then why on earth do innumerable businesses set up fake offices as tax shelters? Seems like it would be a huge waste of time to set up a corporate headquarters in the Bahamas if you are an American company, just to avoid not paying taxes.
Also, businesses typically do not pass the full amount of a tax increase onto the consumer. Prices go up, but it isn't as simple as "old price + tax = new price".
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I'd be so f*(&@!# rich if my small business didn't have to pay taxes. It would practically double paychecks before individual federal taxes.
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Set up a shell corporation in the Bahamas, and make your business a subsidiary.
I'm not an expert of ripping people off, but I know it happens. Hell, the comptroller of maryland used to rant about maryland companies setting up 'corporate headquarters' (basically a mail box) in Delaware to avoid paying state taxes here.
I'm sure if you are inventive enough you can get away with not paying taxes... except I guess you don't anyway because you are a corporation. I'm sooo confused...
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I'm sure if you are inventive enough you can get away with not paying taxes...
Are revolutions inventive enough?
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Originally posted by Eagler
to play their Robin Hood card thus paying back their base through entitlement programs funded off the backs of the working class
Robin Hood stole the collected taxes from the sherriff and Prince John and gave that tax back to the taxpayers.
In order to play Robin Hood, one must be a tax cutter.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Leveling the playing field and giving everyone a chance regardless of the circumstances set up by past history and present prejudice.
What about present or future history? Why is it we only talk of past history?
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we pay too much in taxes right now and the government wastes every cent we give em.
the democrats want us to pay more taxes which the government will waste.
We can't cut taxes and government power by electing democrats.
yes... it really is that simple.
lazs
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The US owes people, governments 10 trillion dollars. You are only paying taxes to service the debt and not reduce the principal. Bush went form a surplus of 200 billion to this huge debt. You will now have a lower quality of life as will your children to pay this debt. The US will soon be the only industrial country that does not have universal health care, the infastructure will deteriorate, schools etc. The debt as all debts are paid with lower expenditures to needs, wants and toys. Enjoy the downward trend in citizen expenditures. BTW, and increase in taxes is the only way this debt is going to be paid. In 30 years we may again have a surplus, but it may take even longer to achieve.
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Thank you Mr. Shades. I have already explained how the system works. Now go away.
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You explained how you think the system works...
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Why do I even bother? Whitehawk, read my posts. It will explain how the debt and national economy works.
But then again, no one is expecting you to read it. You didn't catch it the first time around, why would you the second, the third or the fourth? If you don't make the effort to learn how the system works, you need to not comment about it. EVER.
laser sailor..."What we're talking about here is basic economics. Something liberals will never learn because they are too busy with their women's studies classes, and rallies for homosexuals on campus".
I have learned in the O'club, not to respond to this sort of juvenile biggotry. It leads to off topic insults and see rule 5 and what not. If you have a point to make, just make it, dont single me out for a lesson on lasersailers world of blindly partison econimics.
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"Bush went form a surplus of 200 billion to this huge debt. "
It's interesting that some people actually think the national debt was completely eliminated under Clinton.
The fact that such people vote is exactly why our Founding Fathers were opposed to the thought of a pure democracy.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by lazs2
we pay too much in taxes right now and the government wastes every cent we give em.
the democrats want us to pay more taxes which the government will waste.
We can't cut taxes and government power by electing democrats.
yes... it really is that simple.
lazs
That makes it simple? So lets have the lazs 4 line republican plan for financial health and what the hey, throw in a 4 liner for a republican guided military who dont get its arse kicked by a cupple hundred iraqi teenagers.
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Health and Human services are our greatest expense, even greater than our military spending during this time of war.
(http://www.federalbudget.com/chart.gif)
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Originally posted by lazs2
we pay too much in taxes right now and the government wastes every cent we give em.
Ya know, it irks me paying taxes to support closet commies like you. You DON'T pay taxes. The day your paycheck and health benefits are not financed outta taxpayers pocket you can speak up, til then you better shut up. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Same goes for everybody else with government jobs or still in school.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
...military who dont get its arse kicked by a cupple hundred iraqi teenagers.
you really think the military is getting its arse kicked in Iraq?
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
laser sailor..."What we're talking about here is basic economics. Something liberals will never learn because they are too busy with their women's studies classes, and rallies for homosexuals on campus".
I have learned in the O'club, not to respond to this sort of juvenile biggotry. It leads to off topic insults and see rule 5 and what not. If you have a point to make, just make it, dont single me out for a lesson on lasersailers world of blindly partison econimics.
Obviously, humor is now out of the question. I made my point, but it became blatantly obvious that you didn't read it, or even consider it. Then you went on to repeat the same things over and over when my point discredited you from the beginning!
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
That makes it simple? So lets have the lazs 4 line republican plan for financial health and what the hey, throw in a 4 liner for a republican guided military who dont get its arse kicked by a cupple hundred iraqi teenagers.
The republicans are the only reason we have finanical health and a strong military.
The Dems will always cut military spending and increase taxes. They want to increase taxes and weaken defense.
Vote Democrat if you want to destroy the economy and gut the military.
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Who can we pigeon hole next? :O