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Who are the \\\"Mega Squads\\\" and what defines them as such? Is it actual numbers or actions in game, combo of both, or just opinions or perceptions?
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And I dont know why the \\ are in there.
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3 or more like minded persons who wish to do anything other than furball. I found out tonight that my current two player squad is good to go. That may change though. You never know around these parts.
:noid
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I dunno, but just saying it makes certain people very defensive!
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
3 or more like minded persons who wish to do anything other than furball. I found out tonight that my current two player squad is good to go. That may change though. You never know around these parts.
:noid
Perfect Definition Sir!
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Originally posted by Slash27
Who are the \\\"Mega Squads\\\" and what defines them as such? Is it actual numbers or actions in game, combo of both, or just opinions or perceptions?
A "mega squad" is essentially any more then one squad with the same name, claiming to be one squad.
Sinice HTC limits Squads to 32 people, to call anything else a squad is misleading.
But there are 'squads' that claim upwards of 90 members, that in reality are numerous squads carrying the same name.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
A "mega squad" is essentially any more then one squad with the same name, claiming to be one squad.
Sinice HTC limits Squads to 32 people, to call anything else a squad is misleading.
But there are 'squads' that claim upwards of 90 members, that in reality are numerous squads carrying the same name.
So from what I have read on here. People in squads like this are not wanted/welcome here anymore. Regardless of how many people are actually on at one time, or how you play the game, if on paper you carry more than 32 people under one banner you are part of the "cancer " in AH. Not a jab at you Guppy. I would like a better example of the Mega Squad than just whats on a roster. Are there 60 man missions running amok nightly in the MAs ruining the game?
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Originally posted by Slash27
So from what I have read on here. People in squads like this are not wanted/welcome here anymore. Regardless of how many people are actually on at one time, or how you play the game, if on paper you carry more than 32 people under one banner you are part of the "cancer " in AH. Not a jab at you Guppy. I would like a better example of the Mega Squad than just whats on a roster. Are there 60 man missions running amok nightly in the MAs ruining the game?
Not taken as a jab.
One of the 'complaints' seen with the map changes was that "squads" couldn't fly together. Well my squad hasn't had any trouble working it out. But if you claim upwards of 90 members in your 'squad' it would be an issue.
What you'll also see in any of the arenas now when the numbers get way off balance is parts of these 'squads' all flying on the same side throwing off any kind of balance as they want to fly together.
In using the squad size that HTC has set, which is 32, a squad is probably going to be lucky to get 10-12 guys up on a given night. But if you have 3 of those squads claiming to be 1 squad, then you might have 30-36 at one time which can really throw things off if they aren't willing to help balance things out. i've seen numerous instances in MW in the last couple weeks where you'll see one country outnumber the other two combined by 20 or more players when the total in the arena is barely over 100. In each case it's been one of the 'multi-squads' and they're steamrolling the arena.
So the cry seems to be the game needs to accomodate these 'mega squads' which in my mind is a mis representation of what a squad really is in AH.
I sure don't want them to leave, but because they see themselves under one banner, they seem to have little desire to 'spread the wealth' by evening sides. And it's been the cry that 'I can't fly with my squad" that has been one of the headlines of the complaints about the new arenas.
Again 'fly with my multi-squad" seems to be more accurate, but expecting to have potentially 90 players get to 'fly with thier friends' on the same team at the expense of the game play for the rest of the folks in AH seems a tad unrealistic. And when the stated goal of many of these folks is to 'win the war' it becomes even more difficult as the goal doesn't involve interaction with the rest of the players in the game so much as rolling bases as fast as you can to 'win the reset'.
Bottom line to me is we have to find a way to create some balance and funnel the players together so the strat and ACM guys have to work together and fight the fight to obtain whatever goals they desire.
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So there are actually "squads" putting together 30+ people in an arena with 40 people in it on such a regular basis its ruining gameplay? How many arenas are there now?
btw Guppy, I have not played in months after mother nature took my rig.Ive yet to play the new format so keep that in mind while Im rolling out the questions.:D
Being the CO of a "mega squad" (60 on the roster) Im dont recall us ever having half of us on at one time. Once in a blue moon we would get a bit over 20 on a squad night. On regular nights if we had 10-15 on only half of that number might be doing the same thing.
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I really dont know what the fus is all about just take troops down and the horde stops if its really that serious.
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Originally posted by Pawz
I really dont know what the fus is all about just take troops down and the horde stops if its really that serious.
You would think.
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Originally posted by Slash27
And I dont know why the \\ are in there.
decoration,it make the tiltle more sexy ;)
megasquad == horde for some people
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Originally posted by Pawz
I really dont know what the fus is all about just take troops down and the horde stops if its really that serious.
:O ZOMG!!!!!!!!111111!! :O
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Originally posted by Slash27
So from what I have read on here. People in squads like this are not wanted/welcome here anymore.
The people are wanted and welcome, the squads... not as much.
HTC put the 32 man cap and has repeatedly refused to increase it for a reason. They cannot force 90 people not to be in a practical squad, but they try to discourage it. I wouldn't go as far as calling these squads "cancer" but I don't see it as a good thing if they roll 30 man missions or resist side ballancing issues.
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So, whats next on the black list ... arena missions?
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I don't think the HA realy qualify as a mega squad in the strictest sense. I'll go out on a limb here, the HA aren't a mega squad. you guys don't march around in lockstep going from undefended base to undefended base like a colony of army ants leaving desolation in their wake. you guys don't pick a place, create a four sector dar bar in which region no one is allowed to up until every hanger and toolshed is down for safety's sake. the members of your squad can fight and do fight. lastly as you pointed out while you may have 60 guys on the roster if you cleaned up that roster you might have half that many in real numbers. a true mega squad is a home for the inept, led by the incapable doing the unmentionable. that does not sound like you guys at all.
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Originally posted by Slash27
........you are part of the "cancer " in AH. .....
I should'nt have used this word where I did. I appoligize. I would edit it out now if I could. It is inappropriate.
Dave
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the real problem with the mega squads is that they usually have manditory squad nights, and are banned from switching sides, or just dont want to.
so they roll a 40 player missions, just to go to an undefended base...
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yep biggles... let em have the lw arena.. they like the planeset and the fact that they can run away from people dumb enough to choose early planes in there anyway. It is a slum of their making so let em have it.
At least now we have a couple of arenas where individuals and people who like to interact with the community and the people around em can go and not have all the milkrunners and griefers.
I say let the milkrunners and borg and griefers have the lw arena.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Well, if they like to horde and take undefended bases/landgrab - why not just let them?
Go find/pick a fight with someone that wants to fight and ignore the "landgrab" if you dont like it.
Or take part in the base taking process/team play (announce on 200 if you want defense/resistance).
Or milkrun if you like to see the "## has been captured" message.
I dont really see where the problem is some times.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Well, if they like to horde and take undefended bases/landgrab - why not just let them?
Go find/pick a fight with someone that wants to fight and ignore the "landgrab" if you dont like it.
Or take part in the base taking process/team play (announce on 200 if you want defense/resistance).
Or milkrun if you like to see the "## has been captured" message.
I dont really see where the problem is some times.
well, it's just not very nice to log into an arena, only to find the 3 countries mainly in 3 different places. you got a horde at field a, a different horde at field b and a string of cons headed to field c.
none of them interact, which, you know, kinda destroys the point of them game. i personally dont pay to race other teams for fields, i pay to fight them. other guys can do what they like, i dont care too much, but i do like to voice my concerns here now and then :)
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shatzi... there is no problem now... simply stay out of the late war slum.
The problem used to be finding a decent fight... that is rarely a problem for (at least prime time) early or mid war.
the splits have shaken out as such...
LW.... old ma slum with timid borg and milkrunners..
EW... great fights with individuals and a place where you can learn.
MW... more plane choice but still great fights... borg gets made fun of and very few griefers attend.
nope shatzi... I like the new arenas... Playing more now than ever and avoiding the LW slum like the plague... something I never had the choice to do in the old MA of late.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
well, it's just not very nice to log into an arena, only to find the 3 countries mainly in 3 different places. you got a horde at field a, a different horde at field b and a string of cons headed to field c.
none of them interact, which, you know, kinda destroys the point of them game. i personally dont pay to race other teams for fields, i pay to fight them. other guys can do what they like, i dont care too much, but i do like to voice my concerns here now and then :)
Thats exactly my point. I understand you play the game to FIGHT, not to do the milkrun. So do I. What i mean is this: Others obviously do NOT play the game to fight, but to do their thing (and i dont mean that degrading in any way - just different goals in game). Whyt dont the "fighter" types just *ignore* them and find like minded players to do THEIR thing while the "landgrabbers" can do theirs.
But then maybe the "BBS Whine" is just another "goal in game"..... Im sorry for disturbing you all. Just dont mind my wonderings.
Carry on :).
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Lazs you have no clue..... As part of what you so affectionatly call the borg I can tell you that we do not all just hang around in the LW "slum" as you put it.
Last night for example there were several of us in MW having some good fights taking bases... and a few nights ago we had a most of us that were online in the EW and fighting rooks for bases.. This was great fun, not often I get to fly JU's around chasing down fighters :)
You seem to have this deluded idea that we just want the LW arena and it is simply not true in fact there are several of us that can barly stand the LW. Thndregg being one of them, I think he's been in LW maybe 2 or 3 times otherwise he's in EW or MW. Though I do miss uping my F4U-4 but I can survive without it. I like being able to go to MW and fly my KI-61 and have good fights with out having to worry about being ganged by LA-7 and SPIT-16 dweebs.:) I love EW when we actually have people defending bases against us because EW requiers different tactics to take well defended bases. It's not so easy to just up a crap load of attack planes with bombs and smash a base. EW requiers a good combo of bombers, fighters and some GV's help alot. That is if there were enough people in EW to have a good war with...
So would you please stop making the broad assumtion that we all just hang around in LW flying the most uber ride we can get our hands on, milk running every base we come across.... Espetially after the last change to LW it's hard to get togeather with just the 20 some odd guys in my particular wing, or sub squad I guess would be a more correct term. Not that I want to be in LW.
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Ditto Flayed! I only go to LW if it's squad night and it can rot in EA land the rest of the time.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1;)
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Originally posted by storch
I don't think
Did you type something after this?
I couldn't tell.
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Whyt dont the "fighter" types just *ignore* them and find like minded players to do THEIR thing while the "landgrabbers" can do theirs.
Because as soon as a good fight got started, the landgrabbers would soon show up and the good fight would be gone. As simple to understand as that.
Now with the multiple arenas this is mitigated somewhat, but when you get the win the war folk that need to take bases the problem arises in a much smaller and to a degree more manageable mannor.
With the smaller numbers and like minded people in EW and MW, it has been easy enough to leave the landgrabbers and move to another base. The problem is eventually the landgrabbers show up again and you have to move again.
If the landgrabbers out number those that would rather fight the arena gets relatively boring, but at least now we have more than one choice and can change arena's as well, looking for better more like minded players.
But then maybe the "BBS Whine" is just another "goal in game"..... Im sorry for disturbing you all. Just dont mind my wonderings.
That's just a cheap shot. :aok
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Originally posted by Donzo
Did you type something after this?
I couldn't tell.
why the personal attack? my comment was not directed at you or your squad. I commented in general. I understand the concept of if the shoe fits wear it, is that what prompted that personal attack? now if you want to make this personal I'll put my usually good manners aside and spend the next week laying into you and your squadmates. is that what you want?
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Originally posted by Slash27
Who are the \\\"Mega Squads\\\" and what defines them as such? Is it actual numbers or actions in game, combo of both, or just opinions or perceptions?
Are some just bored they now troll?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Are some just bored they now troll?
Troll? It's a legitimate question a lot of us would like to know.
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My squad is a mega squad. It rules.
PM me to apply to join.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Thats exactly my point. I understand you play the game to FIGHT, not to do the milkrun. So do I. What i mean is this: Others obviously do NOT play the game to fight, but to do their thing (and i dont mean that degrading in any way - just different goals in game). Whyt dont the "fighter" types just *ignore* them and find like minded players to do THEIR thing while the "landgrabbers" can do theirs.
But then maybe the "BBS Whine" is just another "goal in game"..... Im sorry for disturbing you all. Just dont mind my wonderings.
Carry on :).
Well ... in the OLD MA ... we tried to ignore them, but they didn't ignore us ...
if a decent furball did form, the "strat" guys would get pissed off due to the fact the "country resources are being wasted furballing" ... sooooo ... some would take that matter into their own hands and promptly destroy all the FHs at the opponents field ... thinking that that action would then bring the furballers into the "strat" line.
if a decent furball did form when a CV was off the coast, the "strat" guys would get pissed off due to the fact the "country resources are being wasted furballing" ... sooooo ... some would take that matter into their own hands and promptly destroy the CV ... thinking that that action would then bring the furballers into the "strat" line.
In either case, when the furballers questioned their actions, you promptly got a or ... "I can do whatever I want ... you don't pay my subscription".
This I believe was the seed that started all this "furballer" vs "strat" confrontation.
This is why the furballers have so vehemently attacked the "strat" genre ... you see ... the furballers CAN NOT directly effect the strat guys, but the strat guys CAN directly effect the furballers.
With the change ... this, to me, is not as prevalent as it use to be, I haven't seen any of this since the change.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Well ... in the OLD MA ... we tried to ignore them, but they didn't ignore us ...
if a decent furball did form, the "strat" guys would get pissed off due to the fact the "country resources are being wasted furballing" ... sooooo ... some would take that matter into their own hands and promptly destroy all the FHs at the opponents field ... thinking that that action would then bring the furballers into the "strat" line.
And herein lies the problem. Furballers got griefed -- no doubt about it. But rather than leave the blame where it belongs -- with the griefers -- many furballers continue to paint all "strat guys" with the same broad brush, saying they are all by definition trying to grief you. This is just patently rediculous -- and a bit paranoid.
Originally posted by SlapShot
if a decent furball did form when a CV was off the coast, the "strat" guys would get pissed off due to the fact the "country resources are being wasted furballing" ... sooooo ... some would take that matter into their own hands and promptly destroy the CV ... thinking that that action would then bring the furballers into the "strat" line.
Will a "strat guy" sink a CV -- absolutely, every time. But not for the reason you state. Whether or not it is being used only for furballing as far as you can tell, chances are some "strat guy" on the CV side is going to try to use it to take the base. Since CVs can not be porked of troops, the only way to remove the "strat threat" to the nearby base is to remove the CV. So again, you assume someone is trying to "ruin your fun" when that has nothing to do with it.
I would wager a guess that the vast majority of the "strat guys" don't care what the furballers do. I am sure 90% plus never had anything to do with any griefing activity. Still, if any single one of them expresses any displeasure with the state of the game, it is apparently ok to treat him as if he is the cause of all the game's troubles, the source of all the "furballers" frustration, and should just cancel his subscription and go away. Wonderful treatment toward someone who most likely never even condoned, let alone participated in, any of the activity he's "blamed" for.
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is it possible to get LTAR's added to the "evil list of mega toolshedding borg furball hater squads"?
cause we hate fun too.
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they way i see it, HTC set a squad limit....for a reason. we can debate the reason all we want, my guess would be so that one group could not dominate an arena with numbers, which affects gameplay. maybe a year or 2 before the split, the mega squads were a factor, but that was when they would face off against each other. yada yada yada, things changed, gameplay was suffering, so much so, that HTC felt they needed to change directions. The point is, that a limit was set for number of people in squads, that limit was in turn exploited in a sense, and now a change to try to return to the game HTC invisioned (just guessing). So in a sense, mega squad issues, are issues created by the squad leaders because they decided they needed more than 32 lemmings:) (guess better post that that is a joke, because i now how tempermental many around here are).
so, do we really want to go into furball vs. strat guy mode. both sides have been harsh on each other. it's not, one side was slightly less harsh. when furballers complained about gameplay, they were told to go to the DA, get a new arena, don't like the whorde fight them all yourself, this is war! Furballers responded by insulting that mentality and claiming strat guys have ruined AH. fortunately HTC agreed that gameplay/community was suffering, leading to "furballers have ruined AH....in particular Corky." that is a brief history up until this point. now we are reaching a new chapter, i call it "megasquad and you" it will mostly be about the effects of mega-squads, but with undertones of previous battles fought between the valiant furballers and the loathsome straters. (again, just kidding for those who are unable to tell)
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Pluck: Great synopsis. :)
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Here's what I don't get when I read all these negative posts about "mega-squads":
Let's say an arena has 300 people in it...100 in each country.
Country A decides to work as a team and they go about taking bases...sometimes all 100 as a whole, other times in two groups of 50.
Wouldn't this be an exaggeration of the complaints being heard concerning "mega-squads"?
What's the difference?
In the above situation, all members were in agreement that they would work together to acheive the goal of a reset.
Is that so wrong because the players in the other two countries just wanted to do their own things?
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i would still like to see the figures on how many guys are flying together in a mega squad in one night(squad nite)-----i know that in my borg horde ruin the game squad-i have never seen more than 20--25 guys on at the same time with a singular purpose in mind-----thats one night a week----20--25 guys----how does that affect a week of playing?????---the rest of the time these guys may fly together in small groups of 4-5 guys--but most fly alone -looking for fights!!!!!!----hi-tech --please make a fighter town arena for those who can,t take a couple hours a week to allow for squad nite---a full time fighter arena would be great!!!!!-----
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Originally posted by gatt
So, whats next on the black list ... arena missions?
there's a "black list"!!??? am I on it?:noid
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Are some just bored they now troll?
How the hell do you figure Im just trolling?
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in defense of strat guys-- when they come across a greeat fight (furball) with a cv offshore or whatever, they don't necessarily see it as a "great fight" but as a battle that can be "won" if they fixed it by dropping the cv or FH's
its not (always or probably even frequently ) done to piss off the furballers .. they are actually tring to "help" so when they drop the cv and someone say "hey we needed that " they are offended because they thought they were doing the right thing.
same goes for dropping FH's
I run into it with my squad because I like to furball AND take bases and when we get a few guys on soemtimes the call goes out to "drop the hangars" and I am thinking to myself "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO there's a bunch of guys having a blast blowing the crap outta each other over here and you guys want to drop the hangars." in those situations the best I can hope for is to drop my eggs and get back in the fight.
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"lemmings"
Humorous bullseye Pluck! A better lable could not be given. :)
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FB's are most certaianly on it for the very good missions. fbplmmr
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Originally posted by Donzo
Here's what I don't get when I read all these negative posts about "mega-squads":
Let's say an arena has 300 people in it...100 in each country.
Country A decides to work as a team and they go about taking bases...sometimes all 100 as a whole, other times in two groups of 50.
Wouldn't this be an exaggeration of the complaints being heard concerning "mega-squads"?
What's the difference?
In the above situation, all members were in agreement that they would work together to acheive the goal of a reset.
Is that so wrong because the players in the other two countries just wanted to do their own things?
Under your scenario it wouldn't be an issue at all. You describe equal numbers on all sides. As I mentioned before, it becomes an issue when those 'multi-squads' enter an arena and totally throw off the balance and then proceed to roll the undefended bases. Their argument being 'we want to fly with our squad members etc.
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Which squads are doing this Guppy?
(shoot me a PM if you are worried about any flak)
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Originally posted by Slash27
Which squads are doing this Guppy?
(shoot me a PM if you are worried about any flak)
I think we are. (Finns) Not very often though....:D 1-2 times /year.
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Originally posted by mipoikel
I think we are. (Finns) Not very often though....:D 1-2 times /year.
I knew it!!!! Zuum is in on this isnt he????:furious :noid
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Originally posted by Slash27
I knew it!!!! Zuum is in on this isnt he????:furious :noid
Yes he is one of Llv32 pilots.
We have quite strong community and 5 active squads. In scenarios and other events we try to concentrate our forces. :)
Lentolaivue 32
Members: 31
Lentolaivue 34
Members: 28
Lentolaivue 36
Members: 7
Vaasan Vaakalentajat
Members: 3
Wingbenders
Members: 3
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Originally posted by Flayed1
So would you please stop making the broad assumtion that we all just hang around in LW flying the most uber ride we can get our hands on, milk running every base we come across.... Espetially after the last change to LW it's hard to get togeather with just the 20 some odd guys in my particular wing, or sub squad I guess would be a more correct term. Not that I want to be in LW.
First time I've seen a broad assumption taken so personally it required plausible deniability. (Actually ... not really ... but it reveals more than the author might wan it to). ;)
p.s. Hard to get together? Is this a way of saying, organizationally challenged? :D
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Yes he is one of Llv32 pilots.
We have quite strong community and 5 active squads. In scenarios and other events we try to concentrate our forces. :)
Lentolaivue 32
Members: 31
Lentolaivue 34
Members: 28
Lentolaivue 36
Members: 7
Vaasan Vaakalentajat
Members: 3
Wingbenders
Members: 3
Finn Horde! :D
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Originally posted by Quah!
Because as soon as a good fight got started, the landgrabbers would soon show up and the good fight would be gone. As simple to understand as that.
That would constitute taking a defended base.
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dunder... that is playing your game not ours. We don't think the fields are important except as a place to take off from and to have good fight from.
Your idea "defend them" is lousy gameplay because defense consists of flying cap at alt and never getting to fight... this is fine for toolshedder mentalities but torture for guys who actually like a good fight..
and.... fighting those who like field capture these days isn't like in the old days with squads like the AK's... it is fighting the borg... human waves of talentless suicide jocks who assign 5 planes for every target and 3 of em auger. they aren't even much fun to kill.
to make it simple for you... the mega squads have made defense no fun... Furballers are not about doing unfun things with their game time.
your idea of fun is attacking in a large group and overwhelming. As an antidote for you.... all you can come up with is that we play the game just like you and organize into another horde to defend. The response will be that you will simply take out the radar and sneak. The reality is that the whordes don't like fights... they aren't any good at it and they don't like it and they will do everything in their power and game any feature of the game to avoid fights.
Playing against such people is not fun. Having them in the game only makes for bad gameplay for furballers. When they show up... they either kill the ability to fly and fight or... you can play their game and kill em but in a very boring way... they are simply not worth defending against. the best you can hope for is a good furball for a while before the griefers realize that someone is having fun.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Lazs there you go AGAIN ASSUMING that we are all talentless suicide jocks when this is not the case...... I for one attempt to bring every plane back in some flyable form, so I would say I am about as far from a suicide jock as you can get and I know for a fact that Thndr and most of our squad are of a similar mind set.. Heck Lazs I won't even ditch my plane when Falc posts a mission...
Part of the fun for me is to bring my virtual self back home.
I also can't rember one time when I ever herd an order given to suicide into any strat. Or for that matter any squad member saying "I'm gonna kamikaze the troops at base so and so...
The only time I can think of where we actually suicide anything is every great once in a while we have a fun Japanese kamikaze run on a CV some where. But these are quite rare now that we have many people that are good lvl bombers.
I have from time to time dove into extreamly bad situations with my trusty KI-61 VS 6 or more NME fighters and mix it up knowing I would probably die but I can always hope to kill them all and get out right? :)
I have no delusions about being the best Fighter jock in AH but I can hold my own and most of the guys in the squad can and some of them excell at your fighter game. We some times love a good old furball but we want more from this game than just twisting in circles on the deck.
Also looking at last nights squad night People shouldn't really have much of a problem with our MEGA SQUAD so much because we had around 35 people on for most of the night, only 3 more than what is now concidered a "legal" squad and yet there you were in MW whining about some MEGA SQUADs squad night LOL.. And yes the #'s were imbalanced in MW with Bish having 50 or 60, Rooks and Nits both had around 30 but even if we had taken our 30 some odd guys and changed sides the imbalance would have been the same. Besides after about an hour the Nits had this reversed and we had 30 somthing players and they had the 60 something. I'm sorry if we like to work togeather we are evil I know for cooperating with each other. Also even though it was our squad night both rooks and Nits held us off very well to the NME :) We took some and lost some and took them back and had good fights doing it.
Any way I would just say befor you start throwing out acusations you should really get to know the people you are trying to lable.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Lazs there you go AGAIN ASSUMING that we are all talentless suicide jocks when this is not the case......
I've got a great vid last night fighting against BOP ... Perigrine (sp?) wing.
They've got a bunch of suicide lemmings. Not all the wings do, but this one definately does. LAs were trying to vulch the CV, 110s were doing the non-stop suicide dweeb thing.
Just takes a few bad apples...
It was a sad contrast to a beautiful 4 formation ju88 attack earlier in the day (wish I knew who made that one.. think it was in EWA), and the 20 minutes I spent getting hosed by Ball & Stang while winged up with FX1.
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Where was this? I was down south sinking a Nit CV with 17's....
Usually if BOP's need a CV sunk they will request someone from the MERLINS wing to come over to flatten it as we have the majority of the bomber pilots. The only time I've seen our squad do anything like your describing is if they are desperate to kill that CV and no ord/bomber guys around to transport said ord :)
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Also looking at last nights squad night People shouldn't really have much of a problem with our MEGA SQUAD so much because we had around 35 people on for most of the night, only 3 more than what is now concidered a "legal" squad and yet there you were in MW whining about some MEGA SQUADs squad night LOL.. And yes the #'s were imbalanced in MW with Bish having 50 or 60, Rooks and Nits both had around 30 but even if we had taken our 30 some odd guys and changed sides the imbalance would have been the same. Besides after about an hour the Nits had this reversed and we had 30 somthing players and they had the 60 something. I'm sorry if we like to work togeather we are evil I know for cooperating with each other. Also even though it was our squad night both rooks and Nits held us off very well to the NME :) We took some and lost some and took them back and had good fights doing it.
Still dancing around and justifying the idea that you are one squad though:)
Figure as I said in another post that like an average 32 person squad you had about a dozen from each of your three squads flying. The three squads come into the arena, see the numbers and decide we'll split our three among the three countries so we don't blow the numbers off. We'll pick a spot to meet and have at it. We can BS and have fun on 200 with the other two squads while laughing and joking on vox with our own squaddies. It might be fun to see how we match up, and we can only get better by fighting against each other for a bit. Since we're friends, it's nothing personal since it's just a game...etc.
Crowd sees this on 200, notices it on the rosters and is thinking, isn't that cool that the BoPs are doing what they can to make this more fun for everybody. I'd like to wing with those guys or fight against them. I might learn something....etc.
Just a thought :)
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That would constitute taking a defended base.
In the old MA, most times troops were never brought and the field was usually never captured, but none the less FHrs were dropped. This was definately the norm and is the norm most nights I have flown since the change.
You can take them out of the Old MA, but you cant take the old MA out of them.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Where was this? I was down south sinking a Nit CV with 17's....
Usually if BOP's need a CV sunk they will request someone from the MERLINS wing to come over to flatten it as we have the majority of the bomber pilots. The only time I've seen our squad do anything like your describing is if they are desperate to kill that CV and no ord/bomber guys around to transport said ord :)
Desperate seems to be a matter of opinion. 17 vs 2 (ooh sometimes 4!) didn't seem like a last second attempt to salvage a defense by y'all. 8pm CST, dunno what base it was. Even your leader makes an appearance to set the example of sportsmanship and gameplay... as a lemming 110 :lol
Vid is uploading to my ftp, I'll pm you a link when I get back to my office.
edit: The pretty looking CV torp attack came from Wombat & friends. Granted, it was against a virtually undefended target (just my zeke and maybe an ack dweeb)... but at least it looked the part when they came rolling through in formation and dropped a nice torp spread.
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Lazs resorting to name calling again??---how un-lazlike. if you elitist furballing dweebs would expend as much hot air lobbying hi-tech for a fighter town only arena as you did in this forum , we all might get our wish ----making each other disapear------as usual laz and crews' insightful and one sided arguments and name calling (they will reach puberty some day) has provided us all with literally hours and hours of comedic entertainment. go blow your horns at ht ---we get the picture already!!!--lobby for your little 100 cap fighter only map and stfu !!!!
peace gentledweebs----your buddy boner
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Originally posted by 1Boner
Lazs resorting to name calling again??---how un-lazlike. if you elitist furballing dweebs
Um... :huh
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Guppy while I can see your point to some degree, but if we wanted to fight each other we would just go to the DA... We like the comradery of working togeather not against each other.
And still the problem comes up again if I'm trying to win a war on one side it just seems silly to jump over and start trying to win the war for the oposing team.. I know this is a repeat of other posts but thats the way I see it.. I could see changing sides but not in the short term hops that everyone thinks we should be doing... I could see jumping after a reset or some such but not in the middle of the "war". Jumping works for the guys just looking for an even furball but I don't see it working well for anyone that is actually trying to go for the reset for the side you are on. I know the reset is not the only goal available in the game and I really could care less about the perks (I rarly fly perk planes) but it is the biggest one for me, trying to beat the other team is the most fun for me and most of the people I fly with.
Like when I play paintball I'm not gonna change sides in the middle of a game and start shooting my team in the back just because the other team lost some players. We would probably even up teams after the game was over.
You might have more country jumping to even out sides if there was no other goal than just the furball but I think that goal is what alot of people like to play for and if we didn't have it I think HT would lose alot of people.
I think one of the biggest reasons for the so called mega squad now that I think about it is not so we can have the huge # advantage because this only happenes on monday but on any other day you could almost always count on having at least 4 or 5 other friends on at any point in the day that you enjoy flying with.... So the only time the mega squad issue really matters is on squad night... Maybe we should rename this squad co op night :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
Your idea "defend them" is lousy gameplay because defense consists of flying cap at alt and never getting to fight...
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's [/B]
Actually having an objective such as base defensive is fun and not lousy. That is just your opinion yet you state it as fact. Tell you what, you keep your little FM2 down there in the weeds and let the rest of us "fly cap at alt". Sheesh I don't see why you even care anymore, seems to me like you are just on some ego trip. You have your EW arena. Seems to me like you just want to belittle people who have fun fighting the war.
I still find it hilarious that a squad of 32 guys is wetting their pants over 3 squads that work together. If the BOPS are so bad and your guys are so good, what is your issue? Wah wah, they fly together and capture bases. How the hell does that affect you? lol what a joke you are making of yourself. Instead of the elite fighter pilots you think you are, you have made yourself into a whiner who complains because others don't fly like you. It's really sad Lazs...
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Indy again I wasnt where ever you were so I don't know what the situation was from bish point of view.. All I can say is I usually don't do things like that unless deperate and even then I hate the whole suicide thing. I can't speak for all actions of all members all over the map. :)
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Originally posted by indy007
I've got a great vid last night fighting against BOP ... Perigrine (sp?) wing.
They've got a bunch of suicide lemmings. Not all the wings do, but this one definately does. LAs were trying to vulch the CV, 110s were doing the non-stop suicide dweeb thing.
Just takes a few bad apples...
It was a sad contrast to a beautiful 4 formation ju88 attack earlier in the day (wish I knew who made that one.. think it was in EWA), and the 20 minutes I spent getting hosed by Ball & Stang while winged up with FX1.
i think what this guy is talking about went like this:
BoPs take 5 back...no rook bothers to defend...
we start wrking on 6 to consolidate it and i see 10 is nothing but one red dar bar. i up and am immediately vulched by one of 10+ planes...vh is ded and i see an lvt crossing the field towards the town which is ded. i call the bops and say specifically "Lets show the whiners how bops save a field thats overwhelmed"
about 10 of us launch simultaneoulsy and get up and kill all the cappers and the lvt...but there is an enemy cv right off shore...no ordinance..what to do?
well a second wave of cv planes arrive and aftrer getting vulched 3 times i whack 4 in a row...i then roll a 110 and start strafing the cv guns down. the dar bar of rooks absolutely disappears...they have troops and a mid size airbase nearby at 9 but they never come back.
i somehow get two guns on cv and two on a support ship...a string of pt boats up and i do a crescent turn into them starfing and nail 4!!! woot!!!
i think ndy and teearr were 2 of them.
so ndy you are pitiful...if you really cant rememebr the actual order of events then im sorry for you....since i only played for an hour last night i know this must be what you are referring too. and if killing a cv off the shore makes us "lemmings" then you truly have no sense of how the game works. of course cv ack would tear us up...duhhhh! but instead of posting a whine post in here about being vulched, capped and outnumbered..we kicked the rooks butt (including yours) and got to joke and goof on squad ch the whole time (woot! great night and a fun caper...cigars for all and a double malt because it actually got a moronic post in here!):aok :lol
Quaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!:O
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Ahhhh ok Falc that sounds like the BOP's not the lemmings that were being described :)
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Guppy while I can see your point to some degree, but if we wanted to fight each other we would just go to the DA... We like the comradery of working togeather not against each other.
And still the problem comes up again if I'm trying to win a war on one side it just seems silly to jump over and start trying to win the war for the oposing team.. I know this is a repeat of other posts but thats the way I see it.. I could see changing sides but not in the short term hops that everyone thinks we should be doing... I could see jumping after a reset or some such but not in the middle of the "war". Jumping works for the guys just looking for an even furball but I don't see it working well for anyone that is actually trying to go for the reset for the side you are on. I know the reset is not the only goal available in the game and I really could care less about the perks (I rarly fly perk planes) but it is the biggest one for me, trying to beat the other team is the most fun for me and most of the people I fly with.
Like when I play paintball I'm not gonna change sides in the middle of a game and start shooting my team in the back just because the other team lost some players. We would probably even up teams after the game was over.
You might have more country jumping to even out sides if there was no other goal than just the furball but I think that goal is what alot of people like to play for and if we didn't have it I think HT would lose alot of people.
I think one of the biggest reasons for the so called mega squad now that I think about it is not so we can have the huge # advantage because this only happenes on monday but on any other day you could almost always count on having at least 4 or 5 other friends on at any point in the day that you enjoy flying with.... So the only time the mega squad issue really matters is on squad night... Maybe we should rename this squad co op night :)
I guess where we're going to see it differently is that I don't see that there is a 'winning of the war." The war continues 24 hours a day on and on. I guess if resetting the map is the goal, it makes sense to take advantage of the numbers. To me winning the reset isn't winning the war, it's starting the do over .
For me, when I come into the arena I look at the numbers and go low numbers everytime. I then look for the largest dar bar of baduns and go there :)
We can debate the mindlessness of both furballing and base capture forever I suppose.
As for the squad stuff. Obviously I have a squad as well. I've purposely limited it to 12 guys as my experience with larger squads has tended to be less then good. I also figure when I come up that there are lots of folks that I know and can wing up with if squaddies aren't flying at the time.
I'm certainly not trying to tell you guys how to fly or play the game. In the end, the bottom line for me is balance and the best fun for everyone and that's where the 'mega squads' and I differ on what's most important I think.
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I don't know about all that, I recall masherbrum, myself, Tbarone and three other rooks completely derail a base capture attempt by the Bops. when they realized that 30 of them were no match for six of us. they just went and captured another undefended base elsewhere.
the moral of the story is that squads like this like to fight inanimate objects. if they run across opposition then they flee. they need to bend the rules because clearly 32 players is an insufficient number of players necessary for them to capture defended bases given their average playing skill.
squads like these are a pox upon the game, in my opinion.
I do however support their right to play in any manner they choose, it's their $14.95
I don't like it when they expect others to approve of their game play or expect others to somehow agree with them that they don't stink.
just saying.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i somehow get two guns on cv and two on a support ship...a string of pt boats up and i do a crescent turn into them starfing and nail 4!!! woot!!!
i think ndy and teearr were 2 of them.
nope, 0 for 0 against me... and your "string of PT boats" as best I can tell is Visigoth, and him alone. You make your accomplishments sound so good though. If I could only execute a turn and strafe barely moving objects...
you in sales?
of course cv ack would tear us up...duhhhh! but instead of posting a whine post in here about being vulched, capped and outnumbered..we kicked the rooks butt (including yours) and got to joke and goof on squad ch the whole time (woot! great night and a fun caper...cigars for all and a double malt because it actually got a moronic post in here!):aok :lol
I tookoff into a fight, shot down 2 of your guys (shubie & 1boner), got set on fire by a cherrypicker, and still landed an extremely slow aircraft on a vulched CV... and I'm a crappy furballer. I lost what felt like a dozen straight to Furball & Stang earlier. So the emergency landing really did make my night. If I cared about my cartoon airplanes & pilot, I wouldn't up into that kind of situation.
...but you've still got lemmings.
at least lemmings are cute.
Quaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!:O [/B]
I don't do the quah thing. Don't know what it means, nor particularly care. I have no signature sounds, nor sayings, and no desire to use the search function to figure it out.
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there were 3-4 persistant pts that kept re-spawning-----for about 10 solid minutes----fun------defending a base that was capped for a while--then sinking the offending cv-----not fun??--my bad. dweeb---got your butts kicked by 10 cute little lemmings , who,s base YOU were trying to take-------funny when you get shot down its a cherry picker!!!--lmfao!!-----always something nice to say you guys!!!-----keep it up---lots o fun!!!!---your pal boner
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Originally posted by 1Boner
there were 3-4 persistant pts that kept re-spawning-----for about 10 solid minutes----fun------defending a base that was capped for a while--then sinking the offending cv-----not fun??--my bad. dweeb---got your butts kicked by 10 cute little lemmings
Dude, you're 0 for 2 against me when fighting with an advantage that ranged from 17 to 1 - 4.25 to 1 at any given time... while flying the exact same aircraft, and starting each time with the E advantage.
and I'm a crappy furballer at that... who got their butt kicked again?
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Dude?------that says alot right there!!-----i never cut you or the guys you were with down--never said i was a better pilot either----said i had fun.and we repelled your attack------glad to see you,re keepin track of whos better than who --Dude!!--lmfao!!!---you guys truly are a riot!!!-------your good buddy , Boner
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actualy.... We BK's feel like we are cheating when there are more than 3-5 of us on and we are on the same team.
We don't fight bops because they really aren't worth fighting most of the time... better to just find a real fight.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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and don,t think we don,t appreciate it!!!!---just wann thank you for not beating up on us too much....1--really!!------sincerely yours, Boner
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Originally posted by 1Boner
i never cut you or the guys you were with down--never said i was a better pilot either----said i had fun
Originally posted by 1Boner
dweeb---got your butts kicked by 10 cute little lemmings
Um...
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Quaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!:O
Ohz no jooo didn't.
:furious
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Um...
Yeah.
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Guppy I really apriciate the tone of your posts... It's not often that I find someone on the other side of the fence that you can debate things like this with without the flames and nasty remarks..
And yes I guess we'll just have to disagree cause for me yes the war/map resets and the war continues but it's what side reset the others. Almost like a 3 sided football, hocky, or any other game it's who scores the goal. On the taking advantage of the higher #'s on one side to win the war, I'm really not for that. I don't like the roller effect so much unless the other side has #'s to counter act it but that's what happens and if I'm working for my side to reset I just end up with more #'s on my side... It might be different if the #'s would stay skewed 1 way for long enough that if I changed once in a while I would be evening thing out by staying on 1 side for the durration of the war (untill reset) but #'s fluctuate to randomly to make that work... :( So I just stay where I am.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Um...
just returning the lemmings barb!!! thought it was only fair , and made us even
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I don't suppose you're in one of the BoP wings, are you?
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Originally posted by indy007
I tookoff into a fight, shot down 2 of your guys (shubie & 1boner), got set on fire by a cherrypicker, and still landed an extremely slow aircraft on a vulched CV... and I'm a crappy furballer. I lost what felt like a dozen straight to Furball & Stang earlier. So the emergency landing really did make my night. If I cared about my cartoon airplanes & pilot, I wouldn't up into that kind of situation.
I don't do the quah thing. Don't know what it means, nor particularly care. I have no signature sounds, nor sayings, and no desire to use the search function to figure it out.
well i hate pulling the score card out but...you have a fiter k/d ratio of 1.1 and a attack k/d of .7...this means you dont even kill 1 enemy per death...this is of course confirmed by the fact that your kill/sortie is actually less then .8 on both attack and fiter. yes i would agree with the "im a crappy furballer" comment.
i do believe however that you do represent the skill level of many of the "furballers" so dont be ashamed...you are still l33t because you say so!!!
i can also see why killing two guys attacking a cv in a sortie would leave you proud and good for ya bud!!! you are awesome!!! also i like that you were "cherry picked" while flying in cv ack...hehhehe...huh?
and the "quah" thing is top secret so dont try googling it mister:p only the "real" masters know how powerful a weapon it is:t
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i almost forgot....
QUAH!!!!!!!
;)
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Half of all the posts in this thread are from defensive Bop's
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Despite what the thread has turned in to I got what info I was looking for. So thanks for that part
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I would think that any squadrons pretending to be a single unit, while having to creatively work around the existing squad structure, could be considered mega-squads.
You guys, the CH's, the WoT, the BoPs, etc etc
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Mega Squad's are very effective meat shields
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Hi Redd!
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Originally posted by bj229r
Half of all the posts in this thread are from defensive Bop's
Did you actually count them and do the math to come up with that?
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if you did, add another for the post above mine
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Originally posted by Donzo
Did you actually count them and do the math to come up with that?
Was a conservative guess-- I just get to recognise yall's names spamming every one of these threads which bemoan mega-squads
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Remember: YaY to slamming, nay to spamming:aok
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I would think that any squadrons pretending to be a single unit, while having to creatively work around the existing squad structure, could be considered mega-squads.
You guys, the CH's, the WoT, the BoPs, etc etc
Lol...what do you know about being in a squad :D
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I would think that any squadrons pretending to be a single unit, while having to creatively work around the existing squad structure, could be considered mega-squads.
You guys, the CH's, the WoT, the BoPs, etc etc
So by your definition if all the players in one country "team up" and coordinate attacks, they would be considered a mega-squad?
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Originally posted by bj229r
Half of all the posts in this thread are from defensive Bop's
ummm bj229..would you also agree that the other half are Bks, guppy and storch and the same other griefers that spam every thread in here?:lol
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Originally posted by Donzo
So by your definition if all the players in one country "team up" and coordinate attacks, they would be considered a mega-squad?
My definition is pretty clear, I think. You can try rewording it, but that makes it your definition.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
My definition is pretty clear, I think. You can try rewording it, but that makes it your definition.
Yep, clear as mud....clear as mud.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Lazs you have no clue..... As part of what you so affectionatly call the borg I can tell you that we do not all just hang around in the LW "slum" as you put it.
Last night for example there were several of us in MW having some good fights taking bases... and a few nights ago we had a most of us that were online in the EW and fighting rooks for bases.. This was great fun, not often I get to fly JU's around chasing down fighters :)
You seem to have this deluded idea that we just want the LW arena and it is simply not true in fact there are several of us that can barly stand the LW. Thndregg being one of them, I think he's been in LW maybe 2 or 3 times otherwise he's in EW or MW. Though I do miss uping my F4U-4 but I can survive without it. I like being able to go to MW and fly my KI-61 and have good fights with out having to worry about being ganged by LA-7 and SPIT-16 dweebs.:) I love EW when we actually have people defending bases against us because EW requiers different tactics to take well defended bases. It's not so easy to just up a crap load of attack planes with bombs and smash a base. EW requiers a good combo of bombers, fighters and some GV's help alot. That is if there were enough people in EW to have a good war with...
So would you please stop making the broad assumtion that we all just hang around in LW flying the most uber ride we can get our hands on, milk running every base we come across.... Espetially after the last change to LW it's hard to get togeather with just the 20 some odd guys in my particular wing, or sub squad I guess would be a more correct term. Not that I want to be in LW.
Great post but I wouldn't bother, he's a self-absorbed sweetheart popsicle.
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Which part are you having trouble with?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Which part are you having trouble with?
Your original post stated "squadrons pretending to be a single unit...could be considered mega-squads".
In your mind could that apply to any group of like-minded players? In a squad or not?
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
ummm bj229..would you also agree that the other half are Bks, guppy and storch and the same other griefers that spam every thread in here?:lol
I'm not sure who any BK's ARE, other than Laz... do the rest still fly much? I'll have to give on Guppy and Storch tho;)
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Originally posted by indy007
I've got a great vid last night fighting against BOP ... Perigrine (sp?) wing.
They've got a bunch of suicide lemmings. Not all the wings do, but this one definately does. LAs were trying to vulch the CV, 110s were doing the non-stop suicide dweeb thing.
Just takes a few bad apples...
It was a sad contrast to a beautiful 4 formation ju88 attack earlier in the day (wish I knew who made that one.. think it was in EWA), and the 20 minutes I spent getting hosed by Ball & Stang while winged up with FX1.
We never fly as individual wings. Ever. Never have, never will. If you were seeing the peregrines flying as a group, it was coincidence. I can't even get those guys to give me a lousy check six!
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Originally posted by Donzo
Your original post stated "squadrons pretending to be a single unit...could be considered mega-squads".
In your mind could that apply to any group of like-minded players? In a squad or not?
In your mind that seems the case. I didn;t read his remarks that way. ;)
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Originally posted by rshubert
I can't even get those guys to give me a lousy check six!
that is perfectly understandable.
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Originally posted by lazs2
actualy.... We BK's feel like we are cheating when there are more than 3-5 of us on and we are on the same team.
We don't fight bops because they really aren't worth fighting most of the time... better to just find a real fight.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Lassie, I would like to thank you personally for not taking my lunch money again. Really. Thanks for not pushing my books out of my arms in the hallway. Really.
Are you getting my point? I bet not.
You sound like a boastful schoolboy. It's getting tiresome.
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(originaly posted by hubsonfire)
I would think that any squadrons pretending to be a single unit, while having to creatively work around the existing squad structure, could be considered mega-squads.
You guys, the CH's, the WoT, the BoPs, etc etc
you forgot the un-forgivin, 31st, and 96 delta's group, and i'm sure there are alot more.
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I still play this game for the hot chicks!!!
(http://www.islandentertainmentsonline.com/acatalog/zebraprintcostume.jpg)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I would think that any squadrons pretending to be a single unit, while having to creatively work around the existing squad structure, could be considered mega-squads.
You guys, the CH's, the WoT, the BoPs, etc etc
If the actions of the "Mega-Squad" include the milkrunning, non-fighting, furball ruining hoarde. Then that aint us and never was. Ask your boy Grits about us. He was there when it started and when we had a little growth spurt. Ive not been on to see any of the other mentioned squads taking part in this so I will have to reserve my judgement on them till I see whats up for myself. If people want to lable us a "Mega Squad" then what the hell ever. I say we dont fit the criteria.
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Originally posted by MOIL
I still play this game for the hot chicks!!!
(http://www.islandentertainmentsonline.com/acatalog/zebraprintcostume.jpg)
Hate to tell you moil . . . That is neither "hot" nor a "chick."
But, if that is what you play for, have at it.
:p
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Originally posted by belethch
you forgot the un-forgivin, 31st, and 96 delta's group, and i'm sure there are alot more. [/B]
Ah, yes, thank you. I could only come up with a few of the more recognizable bunches.
And Slash, before you get too wound up, look at what my criteria are. By those same definitions, I've been in 3 squads that meet them. I'm just attempting to explain what it means to me. At one point, I wanted the squad limits higher. At this point, I think that some people are substituting their squad for the community at large, and I think that means more friction on down the line. At some point, the entire community wasn't any bigger than any 3 "mega squads" of the current days. At some point, everyone knew pretty much everyone else; nowadays, people can't even name all their squaddies. What's that say about the community as a whole?
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Not wound up at all hub. If it came across that way its wasnt on purpose,some of it was more of a general statement than just a response to you. Also dont think Im not in agrement with you on alot of points.
I have talked to Bear and some others about how some squads have taken to milking empty arenas and I didnt want to be the HAs thought of like them. Being that we dont do that maybe I shouldnt have started this thread in the first place.:huh I dont get how rolling up bases with out a fight would be entertaining, or mobbing an arena with low numbers for that matter. I just cant see paying $15 month after month for that kind of fun.
From my point of view I felt I needed to get out there something about my guys. If it helps good, if not then oh well.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
well i hate pulling the score card out but...you have a fiter k/d ratio of 1.1 and a attack k/d of .7
If I wanted a high k/d, I'd stop flying zekes, upping into vulches, fighting until I was out of gas, and find my own vulch to attend. Posting a high score is alot easier than doing the pure furballing thing. Takes less effort & there's more opportunity for it now with the small pop arenas. A good fight is hard to find :( I know, because I've done both... and I'm not unique in that regard... at all. On top of all that, I have to cram in as much fighting as I possibly can in my hour or 2 a day before my WoW guild comes off of vacation and goes back to 3 a week 40man raids.. time on that clock is running out :(
Plus, I never pulled out total k/d's. It's irrelevant. I pulled out individual stats against a particular player in the only engagement I've ever fought with them, with the odds ridiculously stacked against me.
You most definately have to have some sort of sales job.... or you're a talking head pundit... or you've had too much exposure to Lazs....
You're just upset because I said you have lemmings. To me, that's hysterical, because I'm a lemming too. I just aim for fighters that are already in the air, get shot, rinse & repeat. I choose not to play in easy mode, y'all do, big deal.... just accept who you really are :)
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deep breath indy and reread your posts...i didnt start with you though i am always ready to finish :D
you posted comments meant to be derogatory but had to distort the facts in an effort to "shame" guys into "playing your way".
lets do a "what if?"
what if bops hadnt upped a vulched base and saved it?
lets see then either:
1) the base would have been taken without a fight
2) you could have padded your score vulching
im guessing that those were the results you wanted...why else have a cv parked off the last bish base before the main island?
and if we hadnt killed the cv by deacking it and then sinking it then:
1) we could have died in cv ack
2) been overrun by lvts since you guys had kilt ord and vh
so your style of gameplay prefers lopsided fights, base capture and forcing the enemy into inferior fights
hey maybe you are a l33t furballer after all!!!
you also brought up a guys ability to fight you...obviously without considering that then your own abilities would be brought up which would show you NEED the loopsided fights to be successful.
PAWNED!!!!!:lol and QUAAHHHHH!:aok
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Originally posted by indy007
If I wanted a high k/d, I'd stop flying zekes, upping into vulches, fighting until I was out of gas, and find my own vulch to attend.
Agreed. Stats are a pretty poor means of assessing competence.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Agreed. Stats are a pretty poor means of assessing competence.
- oldman
im pretty sure in this case they are accurate:D
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Originally posted by 1Boner
Lazs resorting to name calling again??---how un-lazlike. if you elitist furballing dweebs would expend as much hot air lobbying hi-tech for a fighter town only arena as you did in this forum , we all might get our wish ----making each other disapear------as usual laz and crews' insightful and one sided arguments and name calling (they will reach puberty some day) has provided us all with literally hours and hours of comedic entertainment. go blow your horns at ht ---we get the picture already!!!--lobby for your little 100 cap fighter only map and stfu !!!!
peace gentledweebs----your buddy boner
Boner, the reason why he doesn't is because he will not have enough people to fight when he wants to fight. Sure their are a lot of folks who just want to furball but not enough folks just want to furball all the frigging time. He and his like minded folks want to force us all to just furball and be done with anything else. It's play HIS way and not YOUR way. I've always advocated protected fightertown and tanktown parts of the map but HT apparently has decided that we should be forced to all play one way or not at all or at a crippled play to herd us to the furballers way. Actually, it's to break us all in for CT and I've stated from day one that I have no interest in CT, I can do that offline in many other games.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
well i hate pulling the score card out but...you have a fiter k/d ratio of 1.1 and a attack k/d of .7...this means you dont even kill 1 enemy per death...this is of course confirmed by the fact that your kill/sortie is actually less then .8 on both attack and fiter. yes i would agree with the "im a crappy furballer" comment.
i do believe however that you do represent the skill level of many of the "furballers" so dont be ashamed...you are still l33t because you say so!!!
i can also see why killing two guys attacking a cv in a sortie would leave you proud and good for ya bud!!! you are awesome!!! also i like that you were "cherry picked" while flying in cv ack...hehhehe...huh?
and the "quah" thing is top secret so dont try googling it mister:p only the "real" masters know how powerful a weapon it is:t
NO Falc! You are pulling a Laz in pulling out the worthless k/d ratio and score crap. Don't embrace the dark side of the force. Take two valiums and call me in the morning before responding to this BS. You are my CO but I have to call ya out on this one! We can't stoop to the level of the Laz. Everybody knows that "Quah" is a trademark of a BOP from a long long time ago in a game far far away.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
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I have 0 vulches this month. I actually let people takeoff and leave the ack cover. I'm not scared of a fighter going 15mph. I'm not concerned letting it up will cripple the capture attempt I'm not even making. I go as far as to plead with people on my own side on range vox to let people takeoff so they can actually fight. On top of that, I switch sides in the middle of fights when it does become lopsided. If I wanted a high score, I would have one. Score is the easiest thing in this game to get. My time is too limited to bother, and there's other games where I can game the game as hard as I want, and actually have significant financial motivations to do so (WoW in particular).
If you really insist on that's how I play, post some videos of me doing it. According to you, won't be hard, just look for the biggest horde or vulch where I'm padding my score. :huh
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Originally posted by indy007
I have 0 vulches this month.
I must have missed the "Vulches per sortie" category on the scoring page.
Do you track this information manually?
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Boner, the reason why he doesn't is because he will not have enough people to fight when he wants to fight. Sure their are a lot of folks who just want to furball but not enough folks just want to furball all the frigging time. He and his like minded folks want to force us all to just furball and be done with anything else. It's play HIS way and not YOUR way. I've always advocated protected fightertown and tanktown parts of the map but HT apparently has decided that we should be forced to all play one way or not at all or at a crippled play to herd us to the furballers way. Actually, it's to break us all in for CT and I've stated from day one that I have no interest in CT, I can do that offline in many other games.
Boy that is some twisting going on there. You better sit down after all that spinning.
As an outsider usually only reading, I have found prior to the change that the likes of Laz and his ilk have actually been accused of too much lobbying for FT. So I guess the pretty much exposes this.
And BTW FT was always full all the time.
And every thread that I read only stated they wanted a place to find a fight and that they could care less about the strat guys and how they played. I have seen Laz post that a number of times.
Now the only thing you have gotten right is that HT is getting his community ready for CT. No squads, more strat based and hopefully pitting the groups against each other rather than what the strat and its players is today, which is opposing groups running away from each other.
What is complete funny throughout this BBs is that the strat minded have not lost anything except card blanch on the milk running and hording, due to lower numbers in the arenas.
So you can only up missions of 30 guys rather than 60 or more LOLH. And all the people complaining about not being able to move their squad between the two LW arenas, really have a problem with membership, following instructions and the gaming the sqd limits.
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sounds like you need to do more reading:lol
BoPs are doing fine and the guys quitting are not members of large squads..it is the smaller squads who have fewer numbers that are suffering the most it seems...
and no one with a "megasquad" has ever posted that furballing should be banned....
most of the responses here are to the "do it my way or you suck" attitude reemphasized in post after post by lazs and crew....
you embarrass the Quah! poser!!!!
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Originally posted by Donzo
I must have missed the "Vulches per sortie" category on the scoring page.
Do you track this information manually?
Simple logic. If you don't dive on a runway and vulch... how do you have any?
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Originally posted by indy007
Simple logic. If you don't dive on a runway and vulch... how do you have any?
ok prove it.
ROFLOL
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
ok prove it.
ROFLOL
Other way around. People said that appearently I need the vulch. So, post videos of me vulching... or, even better, if Bish don't have numbers, that's where I'll be, so just come fly with me. Careful though, it can & will ruin peoples scores.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
im pretty sure in this case they are accurate:D
I've fought Indy. He's more than competent.
- oldman
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Originally posted by indy007
I have 0 vulches this month.
So you say, but I'll believe you
I actually let people takeoff and leave the ack cover.
Is that it? Or do you let them get co-alt and/or co-e? In other words, do you wait till it's somewhat fair?
I'm not scared of a fighter going 15mph. I'm not concerned letting it up will cripple the capture attempt I'm not even making. I go as far as to plead with people on my own side on range vox to let people takeoff so they can actually fight.
So exactly what are you doing hovering over a base? You say you're not there for the capture and you don't vulch. So why be there?
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I've fought Indy. He's more than competent.
- oldman
Impossible. His squad only has one wing, and he's not flaming Lazs in every thread. What could he possibly know? ;)
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Originally posted by Donzo
I have 0 vulches this month.
So you say, but I'll believe you
Right on. Like I said, just come fly with me. I don't even expect check 6 calls. Be warned though, the odds will be stacked very heavily against us 90% of the time, and I won't bother with more than a 15 mile flight to the fight. Zekes just sooo slow :(
I actually let people takeoff and leave the ack cover.
Is that it? Or do you let them get co-alt and/or co-e? In other words, do you wait till it's somewhat fair?
Depends on the numbers. If it's 1 on 1, I'll bleed off most of my advantage before I start the first merge. Most of it, but not all... hell I came to them for the fight. I don't expect favors when the situation is reversed. If it's 1 vs 2 or more, you can't really do that without asking to be shot down, so I try to keep enough E to stay at corner velocity for awhile. Zekes are just so slow anyways there's rarely much E advantage to burn off.
So exactly what are you doing hovering over a base? You say you're not there for the capture and you don't vulch. So why be there?
Depends. Sometimes I just orbit and tell people on 200 to come up and fight. Great fights have resulted from that. That's how I ran into Oldman, Flacco, and a bunch of other really good guys. Sometimes it's the tail end of a good fight, so I bail and go find a new mess of swirling dots. Sometimes the strat guys (and/or griefers) show up and pork the FH's, so I relocate myself again.
The 1 hour country switch time limit has really been a blessing. Nowadays I've been able to get into a fight that went all the way from CV to the base, watch a vulch start, and immediately switch to the vulched side to kill all the people I just flew with and see if they can be chased back to the CV. I just don't attack their means of getting into the fight, because I feel that takes more away from the gameplay than it puts into it.
If I really wanted to vulch, I have multiple PC's, access to friend's accounts that dont even know how to lookup their score. Why bother vulching if I can just create one at any time I want?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Impossible. His squad only has one wing, and he's not flaming Lazs in every thread. What could he possibly know? ;)
I have a confession.
I like bombers.
dweeb! :lol
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Oh... you.. :furious MINDLESS FURBALLING NINNY!!11
You're just jealous that you lack my mad bommer skilz.
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I believe that indy fought (and died) last night right alongside of some very prominent bop members... he stood out tho as putting up better fights in my opinion. Indy is more fair about it than I am.
I will switch sides and will fly into odds but... I am lazy compared to indy and don't get obsessive about it.. if the odds aren't too bad I won't bother to switch.
We did have 3 BK's on last night so it was kinda like cheating.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Quah!
What is complete funny throughout this BBs is that the strat minded have not lost anything except card blanch on the milk running and hording, due to lower numbers in the arenas.
Which boards have you been reading? :huh
The lower populations have made milkrunning and hording worse, not better. A squad of 6 in the old MA was just a bunch of guys looking for a fight, good time, and occasional base capture. In an arena with only 30 players, 6 is now a "horde." In the old MA during peak times a "sneak" truly required sneakiness, because there were enough eyes on the enemy side to catch it coming and do something about it. In an arena with 30 players, even if the opposition sees a "mission of six" coming, they are less likely to bother to try to stop it since enlisting help is harder.
IMO, you have the gripes about low numbers completely, totally, utterly backwards. You've missed "the message" because you were too caught up in who "the messenger" is.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Flowers are pretty.
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I would disagree with that, target. If you happen to play the hours I do (come to think of it, I've seen you on a few times, no idea at what hour though). Anyway, at the times I'm on, I see the hordes as being the squads having 15 guys on in an arena with only 80 people. While a half dozen can still milkrun, a single guy in a field gun, osti, il2, whatever can still chew them all up. When it gets to be 10, 11, 12 guys from a squad, and nearly as many from another squad... that's definitely a horde.
With regards to guys watching the map, I think we simply have less of that than we used to. Don't know if it's because everyone is too busy looking for the least defended place to attack, or if they just don't care to look for attackers, there just seems to be much less of that kind of cartoon vigilance, IMO. I don't think that particular aspect has changed due so much to lower numbers, as lower interest.
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if indy = NDY i commend him..he was gettin blasted and ganged and still kept fightin..he ws also learnng quickly as i I was soon having to dodge his attempts rather than one or 2 merge kill....this is how alot of old timers have learned/ in fact its the only was ( minus a serious stick teachin you and alot of da) now he can take that knowledge and use a little more SA..he will be all the more dangerous. Alas better skilled ftrs equal better fights and less lameness, something we all need
NDY
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I'm gonna go get another bowl of Jiffy pop and an Orange soda, anyone want anything while I'm up?
:D
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I would disagree with that, target. If you happen to play the hours I do (come to think of it, I've seen you on a few times, no idea at what hour though). Anyway, at the times I'm on, I see the hordes as being the squads having 15 guys on in an arena with only 80 people. While a half dozen can still milkrun, a single guy in a field gun, osti, il2, whatever can still chew them all up. When it gets to be 10, 11, 12 guys from a squad, and nearly as many from another squad... that's definitely a horde.
I'm not sure we disagree as much as you might think. Due to outside factors, lately I am only able to get on during squad nights. Much of the squad are West Coasters. As such, by the time we are peaking in terms of numbers, the arenas are declining in numbers. The most populated LW arena is usually closed with numbers like 170/120, because declining numbers in the other LW arena have caused the leapfrogging cap to change. Or, perhaps for the sake of variety / better map / "spreading the numbers" as we have been asked to do / whatever, we end up in MW instead. If it is a good squad night, we get 12 on (sidebar - we are only one squad, below the 32 cap, just to be clear - endsidebar). In Midwar at that time of night, your 80 total is probably not far off. There you go -- you've already said we constitute a horde IYO.
Before the split, 12 in an arena still with 350 players was not a big deal. (Well, I'd like to think we were a big deal anywhere we went, but it wasn't "horde-like"). After the split, whereever we go, even in the most populated arena we can get into (150 maybe), we appear "unbalancing" to many.
This has been my one and only gripe about the change. I think adding arenas/variety was a great idea. I understand what Hitech is trying to do. But I don't much care for the "side effects" his cure is causing. I like even less when the side effects are deemed by some to be caused intentionally.
Hope that makes sense.:aok
(The views and opinions expressed by the Target are those of Target alone, and do not necessarily represent those of the squad management or this station. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.)
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5 years and I finally have a 3 page thread. Guess I suck as a troll.:t
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Originally posted by MOIL
I'm gonna go get another bowl of Jiffy pop and an Orange soda, anyone want anything while I'm up?
:D
More popcorn and another beer would be cool.
Thank You MOIL :D.
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Originally posted by indy007
Other way around. People said that appearently I need the vulch. So, post videos of me vulching... or, even better, if Bish don't have numbers, that's where I'll be, so just come fly with me. Careful though, it can & will ruin peoples scores.
I didn't say it. I don't care if you vultch as it's part of the game.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
ps. I was just asking you to prove what you posted and not accusing you of anything.
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
I didn't say it. I don't care if you vultch as it's part of the game.
Right, but just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. It's MA slum behavior. I'll go a step further and say that if HT continued to track individual stats, but removed # rankings completely, you'd see this type of behavior fall off a bit.
Note, I'm not talking about the guys doing a base capture. They'll always vulch perceived threats. To an extent, I feel their pain. A year or 2 ago when I still did base captures, I've felt the frustration of a single il2 shooting the 10th troop before he could run in.
I'm talking about the guys that show up specifically to vulch (or runway bash), but don't have a defense better than nose down, run away, stick stirring. They need to have their motivation take from them and learn to play before they get burnt out never actually accomplishing anything.
ps. I was just asking you to prove what you posted and not accusing you of anything. [/B]
Like I said, just come fly with me. You'll have some fun. I was on bish in midwar for a few hours last night. Flew for a bit with Trikky running some heavily outnumbered defense on the south coast, followed by a good cv vs base fight.
and yeah Jaxxo, ndy = me. I'd do alot better if I stopped obsessing about making sure everybody I shoot goes down... need to just shoot them & move on quickly :( Seems like every day somebody different has my number. Was Ball on Monday, you on Tuesday, and Wmaker last night. Fun fightin' though, and I've probably learned a bit more in the last 3 days than in the last 3 weeks.
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The lower populations have made milkrunning and hording worse, not better. A squad of 6 in the old MA was just a bunch of guys looking for a fight, good time, and occasional base capture. In an arena with only 30 players, 6 is now a "horde."
Your quote above proves my point. In the days of old MA those 6 guys would be 10 to 20 guys. 6 guys vs one is manageable, albeit difficult but doable. Much over that, 10 for example gets to be a bit much. By no means is 6 people a horde you are reaching there a bit.
I will agree with you that the only time the lower nunbers help for milk running etc, is when there are 6 or 12 guys a side and all 12 or 24 of them want to take undefended bases. Yes I have seen this in off peak hours in EW and MW. It was appauling to say the least. I couldnt believe no one could be coorced to fight. I actually went to LW and found some good fights. For the majority of the time - US pirme to be exact - this is not an issue because the like minded people that want to fight out number the timid milkers. So for me, it has gotten better.
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Originally posted by indy007
Was Ball on Monday, you on Tuesday, and Wmaker last night. Fun fightin' though, and I've probably learned a bit more in the last 3 days than in the last 3 weeks.
:t
buhahaha!
See, if only you were in a megasquad you could have run away in immunity. It is the safety in a school of fish approach. So many targets that you can hide in the middle going round in circles and chances are that you are not the one to be eaten.