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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: airspro on October 23, 2006, 02:45:27 PM
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It's important to vets and new people both to remember to give your side this .
I was a little off Sunday morning and forgot too :(
All I can say is sorry again Ball .
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Let's also remember that it's a gift not an obligation.
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Check six not all that. People should be watching their own six too. I've had people give me calls when I was the one on the bad guy. Done it to people too. Sucks when I or they break hard off the attack because of a blown call.
Then there's the really sneaky bastards that do it to ninja your kill.... :noid
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Indy is right. If you get a 6 call from me, you better look before you break off the guy your chasing. :aok
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Also have to keep in mind the experience factor.
In my first weeks i had trouble enough keeping track where I was going, not speaking of the guy i was just fighting. It completely escaped me who else was around and who might be diving in on whom and who might be the one shooting.
With growing SA and experience, it got easier to track whats going on and not only check my own six but also call out warnings to other players.
Six calls are nice to get. Its always a great pleasure to fly with people that you know will warn you if they see someone on you. But i never expect them.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
............In my first weeks i had trouble enough keeping track where I was going, ...............
Sure trying to be like one of the guys !! What, you afraid to ask for directions? :rofl
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I use the car analogy to explain this. I read it on the Boards and it wasn't my original idea. I forget who posted the original.
You are driving your car with a friend passenger.
You see a rather attractive person on the side of the road and get distracted.
Your passenger may or may not see this distraction and may or may not see you veered off the road and are aiming for a tree.
Who's fault is it when you hit that tree? Yours of course.
It certainly is nice though if your passenger mentions the tree instead of cinching up his safety belt and just asks if your car is equipped with a passenger side airbag.
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more like ..you are driving along, paying attention to the road. Your passenger spots a hot chic. they can
1. not tell you VEERY LAME
2. say "OOH hot chic" but not say where or how hot (type of plane and location)
3. tell exactly where and how to spot the hot chic..
remember people ..relationships come and go.. but you never forget a cheap thrill!:aok
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Fuze, plmmr - THANK YOU. *Finally* an explanation for my target fixation and sometimes ignoring six calls!!!! - I dont care for hot chicks :D.
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Originally posted by FLS
Let's also remember that it's a gift not an obligation.
Too many seem to forget this fact. Pisses me off when someone yells at me just cause he cant check his own six.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Fuze, plmmr - THANK YOU. *Finally* an explanation for my target fixation and sometimes ignoring six calls!!!! - I dont care for hot chicks :D.
Didn't want to pigeon hole anyone so I used 'attractive person' and let the beholder determine the beauty. :)
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Fuze, plmmr - THANK YOU. *Finally* an explanation for my target fixation and sometimes ignoring six calls!!!! - I dont care for hot chicks :D.
Forgive me Schatzi! You may substitute THE HOFF (http://www.thehoff.org/) for "Hot Chic"
:)
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Originally posted by FLS
Let's also remember that it's a gift not an obligation.
People who think they have no responsibilty to watch their buddy's back has obviously never been in real combat much less the real military. In real life gents you deeply depend on your buddies to watch and protect your back as they do you to the best of everyones abilities. It is hammered in your head from day one of basic training because no one, no matter how good their SA is, can see everything and for this reason, policies and procedures have been explicitly designed and refined to take full advantage of this concept. The reason for this doctrin is that the person's life you save may very well be your own because in real life you just can 't up another plane. So with that in mind it is your obligation to give 6 calls, not a gift. People who think it's a gift have no sence of loyalty, duty or responsibilty to anyone but them selves.
One of the problems with a two deminsional game is depth perception and it is difficult at times to determine who is chasing who but that should not deter you from warning the other person. I rather get 10 false 6 six calls where i'm chasing the boggy than not get one that kills me.
Also when you're saddled up , within 400yards, and getting ready to shoot, you have to focus on keeping visual contact on the enemy bogy in front of you and can't afford to look around and during that time period is when you rely heavly on your country men to watch your back because that is when your the most volunerable.
Furthuremore, the more people give 6 calls, the more it encourages others to do the same and before you know it everyone is landing kills.
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what is this landing you speak of?
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
what is this landing you speak of?
It is a feature in the offline version.:p
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Originally posted by meddog
...it is your obligation to give 6 calls, not a gift. People who think it's a gift have no sence of loyalty, duty or responsibilty to anyone but them selves.
One of the problems with a two deminsional game is depth perception and it is difficult at times to determine who is chasing who but that should not deter you from warning the other person. I rather get 10 false 6 six calls where i'm chasing the boggy than not get one that kills me.
Also when you're saddled up , within 400yards, and getting ready to shoot, you have to focus on keeping visual contact on the enemy bogy in front of you and can't afford to look around and during that time period is when you rely heavly on your country men to watch your back because that is when your the most volunerable.
Please pull your head out. If you were in the military I'm sure you know what I mean.
It's easy to see who's close, just look at the range icons. It's easy to look behind you when you're saddled up, you just press a button. I give 6 calls whenever I can but it's never because I have to.
You insult people who have a different opinion of proper behavior in a game and you don't want to take personal responsibility. Unfortunately that's a common combination here.
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Originally posted by meddog
One of the problems with a two deminsional game is depth perception and it is difficult at times to determine who is chasing who but that should not deter you from warning the other person. I rather get 10 false 6 six calls where i'm chasing the boggy than not get one that kills me.
***I disagree. I'd rather not get any 6 calls unless the guy giving is within 3k and can actually see what is going on. A dogfight is a game of split seconds. If you are in a hard turn and get a check 6 call from someone who is at the absolute limit of icon range and you do anything other than stay in your turn the other guy can see the mistake and capitalize on it. Meanwhile the guy thats 6k away can't even tell who's behind who. A check 6 call like that can do more harm than help.****
Also when you're saddled up , within 400yards, and getting ready to shoot, you have to focus on keeping visual contact on the enemy bogy in front of you and can't afford to look around and during that time period is when you rely heavly on your country men to watch your back because that is when your the most volunerable.
***Again I disagee. Besides a quick glance behind me every couple of seconds the absolute last thing I do before I pull the trigger is check my 6.***
Furthuremore, the more people give 6 calls, the more it encourages others to do the same and before you know it everyone is landing kills.
*** I agree and don't get me wrong. I give check 6 calls all the time. But, I only give them when I see who's doing what to whom. Not just arbitrarily to everyone in the area. In fact, if you get a check 6 call from some dude named Ren, you best be looking because you're about to die. Make your calls have value and please if you see me in a fight please don't give me a check 6 unless you know FOR A FACT that I've got some guy screaming up on my 6. Also, for most of the new guys, you might not know this but some old guys don't mind some guy screaming up their 6. It's a tactic designed to allow them engage. If you're interested in the SA part of it whenever you see some countryman in on some dude and you know he's on the bad guys 6 let him fight. IF you see someone scream in and saddle up on your countrymen THEN give him a check 6 and remember there is a lil delay in messages. Try and get the check 6 in by the time the bad guy is within 1k from your Countryman. Don't be afraid to give a check 6 but please take the extra second to see what the situation is before hitting the button.***
I hope this helps...
FLS sometimes you respond like a bull in a china shop. :) Sheesh!
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Sorry Ren, there's just something about telling me that I have no sense of loyalty, duty, or responsibility to others, because I think check 6 calls are a gift, that causes me to go on a wild destructive rampage instead of simply posting my objections to it. :cool:
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Originally posted by FLS
Sorry Ren, there's just something about telling me that I have no sense of loyalty, duty, or responsibility to others, because I think check 6 calls are a gift, that causes me to go on a wild destructive rampage instead of simply posting my objections to it. :cool:
No big deal. I was just thinking since this is a forum to discuss thoughts and ideas so new folks can learn their part within the Community it's kinda refreshing to have these topics get raised over and over so they can read it and understand what might be the best way to address each subject. IMHO a subject might be raised today but within a few weeks it's history on the boards and new folks show up and never get wind off it. The next thing they know, as in this instance, some dude is screaming at them for not giving a check 6 call. Nice introduction for a new guy who's just trying to stay alive....right?
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
No big deal. I was just thinking since this is a forum to discuss thoughts and ideas so new folks can learn their part within the Community it's kinda refreshing to have these topics get raised over and over so they can read it and understand what might be the best way to address each subject. IMHO a subject might be raised today but within a few weeks it's history on the boards and new folks show up and never get wind off it. The next thing they know, as in this instance, some dude is screaming at them for not giving a check 6 call. Nice introduction for a new guy who's just trying to stay alive....right?
Absolutely. Which is why the guy screaming that he didn't get a check 6 call should STFU. Newbies have enough on their plate without some horde warrior blaming them for his own failed SA.
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I don't understand.....tell us how you REALLY feel....
Then tell me how your response is any different than his original statement and how both of you are contributing to the community with these posts?
Or, how's this you're a new guy that's just shown up and have never seen this forum. What's your first impression of the guys posting on here? About check 6 calls?
Come on guys. Let's get it together.
sheesh
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Never thought skuzzy should close a post in the help and training forum, until now :(
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
I don't understand.....tell us how you REALLY feel....
Then tell me how your response is any different than his original statement and how both of you are contributing to the community with these posts?
Or, how's this you're a new guy that's just shown up and have never seen this forum. What's your first impression of the guys posting on here? About check 6 calls?
Come on guys. Let's get it together.
sheesh
Does this mean you're immune to irony?
I expect a new person reading this would understand to be grateful for check 6 calls and not feel bad if somebody yells at them for not giving a check 6 call.
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Does this mean that I should 'check 6' every time I see a nice chick??:aok :noid
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Check 6 early and often then check it again.........