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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SAS_KID on October 24, 2006, 08:11:45 PM
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Pay for other people's account's and then you can tell people what to do...otherwise just know or at least think what is going through the other person's mind when you complain,whine,gripe.and or annoy. Just think they are paying for a game because they want to play. Fly with the people they want to fly with, no amount of griping or whining can really change it. I say offer them 14.95 a month then tell them what to do.
So griping and whining will never stop and is ok but when it is taken to EXTREME levels such as claiming it ruins gameplay and that it should stop. Your saying that it is ruining YOUR gameplay and fun. But yet your still here paying your 14.95. It really makes me wonder...
SASKID(Teh 1337 whiner...:cool:)
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SAS! You stop this common sense at once!
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Who the heck does this guy think he is coming in here making perfect sense and not insulting someone...................... ........................jeeez
Crazy I tell ya......crazy:O
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I only state the facts.....
SASKID (Teh 1337 Whiner :cool: )
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
I only state the facts.....
And that in the GENERAL Forum none the less. Youve really gone and done it now Sas! :D
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See Rules 1-17
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is this 6 posts without lazs or guppy or hubs posting????
call the local hospitals...turn on the news...there must have been a terrible accident involving the "Griefer Bus"
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That is funny.... calling Dan a griever :lol
Wow he's one that normally just states the facts.
You might have missed him because he was on the long bus.
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call it like i see it...guy was never a frequent flier but has himself invovled in every post....he insists on rehashing his "theory" that if you are split into wings you cannot call yourself a squad....which is just hilarious!!!!
duuuhhh!!! nothing in here is real dan!!! nooooothhhhiiinig!!!!
i dont even bother to debate the point he keeps posting because it is so silly.:rolleyes:
so yes...act like a griefer..post like a griefer...mebbe time to look in the mirror and see how you are reflecting:aok
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You might try re-reading his posts...... don't think you understood them on your first go-round.
As far as frequent flyer..... that is a matter of opinion as he flies often. Of course if you pretty much live here you'd be thinking different. :cool:
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
call it like i see it...guy was never a frequent flier but has himself invovled in every post....he insists on rehashing his "theory" that if you are split into wings you cannot call yourself a squad....which is just hilarious!!!!
duuuhhh!!! nothing in here is real dan!!! nooooothhhhiiinig!!!!
i dont even bother to debate the point he keeps posting because it is so silly.:rolleyes:
so yes...act like a griefer..post like a griefer...mebbe time to look in the mirror and see how you are reflecting:aok
Tad bit on the defensive side aren't ya? :)
No theory on 'squads' btw. Just pointing out HTC has a limit on squad size. You seem to be the one with a theory on what a squad should be beyond HTC's rules.
As for how much I fly. Working, family, and things like that also have a part in my life so I can't devote all my time to a game. And from what I can see you've flown all of 5 hours more then me this month :)
As for being a greifer. I'd suggest that a greifer is someone who goes out of his way to ruin the fun for everyone else. Might be that mirror would come in handy for you?
Last I checked whatever goal I have in this game is to make it better for folks, not just make it convenient for me. Getting the strat and furball guys to work together is what I wish for which means everyone has to bend a little towards a more common ground in the game.
If that makes me a griefer, then I guess i am.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
he insists on rehashing his "theory" that if you are split into wings you cannot call yourself a squad....which is just hilarious!!!!
Sudz had this same theory. I guess he doesn't count either, since he's not a frequent flier. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Guppy35
If that makes me a griefer, then I guess i am.
It's common knowledge that you're trying to ruin this game.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
It's common knowledge that you're trying to ruin this game.
- oldman
I see someone forgot to take their parentheticals today.
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uh oh... the ugly side of falc is coming out... the smile and sympathetic look is falling off his face and the viens are starting to show...
he certainly is a jolly reasonable fellow tho till you hold the mirror up to him.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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hehe...that one was kind of funny lazs:D
as for guppy...lets agree to disagree about what a "griefer" is just as we will continue to disagree about what a "squad " is...
the fact that you have concerned yourself and posted with this position at least 6 different times seems just plain silly.
try to be honest with yourself...if before the changes and before you became aware of the BoPs...did you ever consider wings of terror, hells angels, the maw, the 68th, 475th, the chicken hawks, the vmf, the unforgiven, sick puppies, ltars, 367th, to name a few(thats without pulling up the squad page) to not be squads????
they all have mutliple wings..some of them have more roster members then bops.
so in the world of illusion of AH (where nothing is real and everyone flies the sort of game they want) why in the world do you care and post about it. i guess it is to bother or shame people....hence my counting you among the ranks of "griefers." sorry if im off the mark here.
and for your goal of bringing "furballers" and "the rest of AH who like doing different things every night" (strat is very limiting as a term..it suggests milkrunning fields)..then return to the the old way with large maps that also had FT and TT. that was the answer...unfortunately the questions have changed and continue to. it is a shame:(
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
hehe...that one was kind of funny lazs:D
as for guppy...lets agree to disagree about what a "griefer" is just as we will continue to disagree about what a "squad " is...
the fact that you have concerned yourself and posted with this position at least 6 different times seems just plain silly.
try to be honest with yourself...if before the changes and before you became aware of the BoPs...did you ever consider wings of terror, hells angels, the maw, the 68th, 475th, the chicken hawks, the vmf, the unforgiven, sick puppies, ltars, 367th, to name a few(thats without pulling up the squad page) to not be squads????
they all have mutliple wings..some of them have more roster members then bops.
so in the world of illusion of AH (where nothing is real and everyone flies the sort of game they want) why in the world do you care and post about it. i guess it is to bother or shame people....hence my counting you among the ranks of "griefers." sorry if im off the mark here.
and for your goal of bringing "furballers" and "the rest of AH who like doing different things every night" (strat is very limiting as a term..it suggests milkrunning fields)..then return to the the old way with large maps that also had FT and TT. that was the answer...unfortunately the questions have changed and continue to. it is a shame:(
Falc, while you guys are certainly cast as the stereotypical megasquad (and I agree you're not the only one by any means), do you think the fact that you and some of your squaddies have chosen to be so vocal, and omnipresent in all of these threads has anything to do with it? Do you think that if you guys didn't take such a combative and "**** you guys" kind of attitude, that you'd be singled out in these threads?
Anyway, just saying.
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hubs i hear you..and thats why we have taken breaks from the boards..
as you can judge from doing a search and reading my posts...i almost never start an argument...but when a generalization regarding my crew is thrown up i do strongly refute it...and then attention is brought to me..i understand that.
my purpose in naming guppy along with lazs et al (yourself included *cough cough*) is that it has gotten so bad that a guy who has played 4+ years cant post a goodbye message without being told he is an attention grabbing griefer and to shutup and just leave???? why? because there are certain folks who cant stay off a single thread...even to allow a guy who has lost faith in the game just to make a farewell statement to the community he has known for years. i imagine they would like a few "gonna miss you" "you were awesome" statements so they can smile as they close this chapter.
instead the same 5-6 guys post on every freaking thread...for fun do a search of forums with guppy35 or lazs2. i had to go back 100 threads on each of them before i hit the previous month...do they really think that many people need their input??? btw thats not 100 individual posts...its 100 topics with multiple posts in 25 days. (over 4 pages just to get back one month)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Getting the strat and furball guys to work together is what I wish for which means everyone has to bend a little towards a more common ground in the game.
I couldn't agree more Dan :aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
hubs i hear you..and thats why we have taken breaks from the boards..
as you can judge from doing a search and reading my posts...i almost never start an argument...but when a generalization regarding my crew is thrown up i do strongly refute it...and then attention is brought to me..i understand that.
my purpose in naming guppy along with lazs et al (yourself included *cough cough*) is that it has gotten so bad that a guy who has played 4+ years cant post a goodbye message without being told he is an attention grabbing griefer and to shutup and just leave???? why? because there are certain folks who cant stay off a single thread...even to allow a guy who has lost faith in the game just to make a farewell statement to the community he has known for years. i imagine they would like a few "gonna miss you" "you were awesome" statements so they can smile as they close this chapter.
instead the same 5-6 guys post on every freaking thread...for fun do a search of forums with guppy35 or lazs2. i had to go back 100 threads on each of them before i hit the previous month...do they really think that many people need their input??? btw thats not 100 individual posts...its 100 topics with multiple posts in 25 days. (over 4 pages just to get back one month)
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So where is it I've said anything to anyone leaving? All I said was I was staying in a seperate thread.
If I'm invested in trying to bring the people in the game together, how is this a bad thing?
Again, a greifer is someone trying to ruin the game for other people. I don't recall ever saying you should play the game my way. I don't recall insulting you or calling you a name at any point. That's just silly.
As for when I post. What do you care? Again, show me a post where I've taken a shot at someone personally or told them to play the game the way I want them to. You won't find one.
Ironic that one of your own guys commented to me that he liked that we could have a rational discussion without the insults even though his approach and mine were different.
I'd suggest that you quit worrying about defending yourself and the BoPs so much.
As for other squads. Yeah I was 475th for a bit and it was a big debate as to whether to add a second squad. And it was that, a second squad. It was wrong and it didn't work or last.
You have to remember that it's been your guys in particular harping about not being able to get everyone on the same team in an arena at the same time. This of course being because you have six squads under the one name? HTC screwed you guys over because you can't get all your guys in one arena has been the cry. I don't recall the Unforgiven saying anything or the 367th or any of the other multi-squads. Remember, I'm not defining squad size, HTC is. You not liking their definition doesn't change the fact that they set the limit.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
hehe...that one was kind of funny lazs:D
as for guppy...lets agree to disagree about what a "griefer" is just as we will continue to disagree about what a "squad " is...
the fact that you have concerned yourself and posted with this position at least 6 different times seems just plain silly.
try to be honest with yourself...if before the changes and before you became aware of the BoPs...did you ever consider wings of terror, hells angels, the maw, the 68th, 475th, the chicken hawks, the vmf, the unforgiven, sick puppies, ltars, 367th, to name a few(thats without pulling up the squad page) to not be squads????
they all have mutliple wings..some of them have more roster members then bops.
so in the world of illusion of AH (where nothing is real and everyone flies the sort of game they want) why in the world do you care and post about it. i guess it is to bother or shame people....hence my counting you among the ranks of "griefers." sorry if im off the mark here.
and for your goal of bringing "furballers" and "the rest of AH who like doing different things every night" (strat is very limiting as a term..it suggests milkrunning fields)..then return to the the old way with large maps that also had FT and TT. that was the answer...unfortunately the questions have changed and continue to. it is a shame:(
Just to add to this one. Lets be clear on something. Groups like yours, with that many members have a large impact on the game. The tone you set at the top affects far more then yourselves. new folks coming into the game are going to see you guys and how you play and be impacted by it.
I happen to think we as the veteran players have a responsibilty to the game. So when I say I believe we have to find a way to put the different types of players together to make it better I mean that. I don't want a divided community where everyone goes to their corner.
It appears your preference is everyone shut up and go back to what was only working for your crew but not for everyone. FT and TT were bandaids, that only worked in bits and peices cause other folks would openly try and disrupt them. Greifing as the term appears to be.
So yep, I speak up from my little corner of the world looking for ways to make it work and hoping folks like yourselves might have something productive to add since you do impact the game with your crowd.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
hubs i hear you..and thats why we have taken breaks from the boards..
as you can judge from doing a search and reading my posts...i almost never start an argument...but when a generalization regarding my crew is thrown up i do strongly refute it...and then attention is brought to me..i understand that.
my purpose in naming guppy along with lazs et al (yourself included *cough cough*) is that it has gotten so bad that a guy who has played 4+ years cant post a goodbye message without being told he is an attention grabbing griefer and to shutup and just leave???? why? because there are certain folks who cant stay off a single thread...even to allow a guy who has lost faith in the game just to make a farewell statement to the community he has known for years. i imagine they would like a few "gonna miss you" "you were awesome" statements so they can smile as they close this chapter.
instead the same 5-6 guys post on every freaking thread...for fun do a search of forums with guppy35 or lazs2. i had to go back 100 threads on each of them before i hit the previous month...do they really think that many people need their input??? btw thats not 100 individual posts...its 100 topics with multiple posts in 25 days. (over 4 pages just to get back one month)
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The guys getting the ugly send-offs are the ones bemoaning the changes, and that's why, regardless of who they are, they're getting those sendoffs.
For fun, do a search of USRanger, 1boner or Rshubert. I see the same 5 or 6 guys whose views are similar to mine, and I see the same guys from your squad clones posting in many of those threads. If you're the leader of all of them, than you had better learn to like being singled out. If their posts are their ideas and opinions alone, and you don't agree with their tone or content, then stop defending them.
With a few exceptions, you guys are growing tiresome. You're not offering anything but protest, you're attacking other people, and the whole time saying "hey, why are you guys so mean to us?".
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Regardless of whether a person leaves and gives his reasons or not, I see no justification for any of the slams they get.
Apart from some irrestible juvenile urge at the satisfaction another player has been driven out.
But then I guess some won't be happy until every non-furballer has been driven away.
All those $15 add up in the long run, dollars that would have gone on game development.
SASKID - "But yet your still here paying your 14.95. It really makes me wonder..."
Thats an easy one - there really isn't another game of this genre that is even remotely on par with AH. If there was you might see people taking the often thrown out advice of "why don't you quit then".
HT knows this and is relying on that fact to hold onto what he has, despite what enforced changes are foisted on us.
It's what's really missing, REAL competition for AH, to keep them on their toes, plus an unwelcome change would really show up in subscriber numbers, really quickly.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
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As for other squads. Yeah I was 475th for a bit and it was a big debate as to whether to add a second squad. And it was that, a second squad. It was wrong and it didn't work or last.
You have to remember that it's been your guys in particular harping about not being able to get everyone on the same team in an arena at the same time. This of course being because you have six squads under the one name? HTC screwed you guys over because you can't get all your guys in one arena has been the cry. I don't recall the Unforgiven saying anything or the 367th or any of the other multi-squads. Remember, I'm not defining squad size, HTC is. You not liking their definition doesn't change the fact that they set the limit.
once again dan...please find a recent post with a bop complaining about not being able to fly together??? we have adjusted fine...sure its not as easy as it once was...but we work it out...
again...another example of why i lump you in with the others...even your latest post you cant help but delve into the squad number thing:lol you cant help yourself....and um yes the 367th and unforgiven have both posted about how frustrated they are...search kev367th for 367th and mystic for unforgiven pls. if you read the bops comments they are mainly targeted at the endless stream of meanness out of lazs and his buds...we had our say after the first arena change...we have decided to work around the limitations in our own way...but yes we still think it was a mistake....sorry dale....
but my worries are not for my squad dan...they are designed just for these times..its other squads that will fall apart...vmf seems about done...maw the same...ive seen 68th put together some nice missions. but the smaller squads are the ones in truble...when you only average 5 guys on ch and they are split up then the purpose of a squad disappears...we average 20 guys on ch so even split we have 5-10 in any arena and we use squad text to call others over. also we are gaining new members from squads that are falling apart...i imagine when it is over we will have a bop squad in each arena and combine for squad night. i think it will be fun:D btw is it okay with you if we have a squad for each arena??? i guess i better check now so you dont grief about it:lol
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Fair enough Falconwing. We'll agree to disagree about the squad thing. In the end it doesn't matter I suppose. As a 'small squad' guy, I think it's still on the squads to make it work. Some squads just run their course and fade away. Been there done that in the last 10 years. Right now the 80th seems to find time to fly together and make it work.
So maybe then the energy should be focused away from the stereotypes of furballers and milkrunners.
Lots of us play the game for lots of things. I don't mind a furball, and I don't mind defending bases. If I know there will be a fight, I sure don't mind escorting bombers or fighter bombers.
So how do we unlump the crowd from the extremes?
And how to we integrate the community back into the game where all the styles of play can work together?
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i just wrote a check for $70. to a pest control company. my wife spends more on the dog's haircut than i will in six months. the tire on my wheelbarrow is flat.
AND NOW THIS!
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Originally posted by Guppy35
And how to we integrate the community back into the game where all the styles of play can work together?
Don't think there is Dan.
There is a small group who will not tolerate any other type of play apart from what they think is right.
To do anything else results in posts on griefing, toolshedders, land grabbers etc.
What they fail to realise is that ALL the arenas are open to ALL forms of gameplay, unless of course someone can find ONE single post by HT specifying otherwise.
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i love this place :eek:
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umm mustard you forgot the hole in the screen :D
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
Pay for other people's account's and then you can tell people what to do....
SASKID(Teh 1337 whiner...:cool:)
In essence, isn't that what you are doing to the community? Telling them what to do?
Can I have my $14.95 now?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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There really is no way for the strat whordes and the fuballers to get along within the present game parameters..
The only way that they can is if they avoid each other. the new arenas have helped a bunch in that respect.
The problem is that with the current way the game is set up ... the so called strat guys can ruin the fun of the furballers but the furballers can't realisticaly ruin the fun of the toolshedders.
It is a situation that places the toolshedders in the same league as griefers so far as furballers are concerned.. there is no real difference in ruining gameplay for the furballers between a griefer doing it and a toolshedder doing it... it is just as easy for either and the the results are exactly the same as are the methods.
The solution will have to involve a different object for "winning".
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Don't think there is Dan.
There is a small group who will not tolerate any other type of play apart from what they think is right.
To do anything else results in posts on griefing, toolshedders, land grabbers etc.
What they fail to realise is that ALL the arenas are open to ALL forms of gameplay, unless of course someone can find ONE single post by HT specifying otherwise.
Sorry Kev but that is just a myth. You label us intolerant because we voice our anger regarding some pinhead who bombs TT or sinks a CV at a good fight. Or when we voice our displeasure at a large squad coming into an under populated arena and overwhelming the sides.
I don't ever remember a so called "furballer" ever telling land grabbers that they have to stop doing what they are doing to join the furball. I have heard it on numerous occasions that the furballer should stop furballing and join the "war effort". i.e. "wasted resources"
So with that fact, who is telling who what to do?
As I've said before, most of us could care less how you play the game. It's the deliberate griefing that gets most of us upset. It's the griefing, I believe, that led HTC to characterise the old MA as a slum.
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Originally posted by lazs2
uh oh... the ugly side of falc is coming out... the smile and sympathetic look is falling off his face and the viens are starting to show...
:O Falc's starting to look like laz? :O
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Sorry Kev but that is just a myth. You label us intolerant because we voice our anger regarding some pinhead who bombs TT or sinks a CV at a good fight. Or when we voice our displeasure at a large squad coming into an under populated arena and overwhelming the sides.
I don't ever remember a so called "furballer" ever telling land grabbers that they have to stop doing what they are doing to join the furball. I have heard it on numerous occasions that the furballer should stop furballing and join the "war effort". i.e. "wasted resources"
So with that fact, who is telling who what to do?
As I've said before, most of us could care less how you play the game. It's the deliberate griefing that gets most of us upset. It's the griefing, I believe, that led HTC to characterise the old MA as a slum.
Like I said, unless you can find ONE post from HT that prohibits ANY style of gameplay in ANY arena, get used to it, and get over it.
Just don't think your immune in the EW.
Pullleease - Boards are full of furballers telling any other type of player to go find somewhere else.
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23+5654+91+0./gb,hcku,jm Originally posted by hubsonfire
The guys getting the ugly send-offs are the ones bemoaning the changes, and that's why, regardless of who they are, they're getting those sendoffs.
For fun, do a search of USRanger, 1boner or Rshubert. I see the same 5 or 6 guys whose views are similar to mine, and I see the same guys from your squad clones posting in many of those threads. If you're the leader of all of them, than you had better learn to like being singled out. If their posts are their ideas and opinions alone, and you don't agree with their tone or content, then stop defending them.
With a few exceptions, you guys are growing tiresome. You're not offering anything but protest, you're attacking other people, and the whole time saying "hey, why are you guys so mean to us?".
yeah--do a search on me and notice the things i replied to.--i never bothered to post on here ,until i started reading the bile that you 4 or five guys kept spewing out!!----absolutly no class---i really can,t believe that HT lets you guys stir up all the trouble that you have.
do you 4 or 5 borg think you speak for entire furball loving community??-- i think not. i think most of them would be embaressed by your posts and nasty barbs.
just when i thought these posts were starting to get nice and friendly again----here they come --the same 4-5 mouths--buttin into absolutley every post they possibly can---and saying whatever they can to disrupt it!!
there outta be a law!!!!!
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Originally posted by lazs2
There really is no way for the strat whordes and the fuballers to get along within the present game parameters..
The only way that they can is if they avoid each other. the new arenas have helped a bunch in that respect.
The problem is that with the current way the game is set up ... the so called strat guys can ruin the fun of the furballers but the furballers can't realisticaly ruin the fun of the toolshedders.
It is a situation that places the toolshedders in the same league as griefers so far as furballers are concerned.. there is no real difference in ruining gameplay for the furballers between a griefer doing it and a toolshedder doing it... it is just as easy for either and the the results are exactly the same as are the methods.
The solution will have to involve a different object for "winning".
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
What I find so amusing about the arguments on the type of gameplay that is tolerated, etc...
HT is an enabler of those types of gameplay. They have done nothing to prevent those types of gameplay.
* CVs can be sunk -- why not make em invincible
* Fields can be stratted -- why not make strats invincible
* Fields can be captured -- make fields uncapturable.
* etc...
Until those fundamentals change, no amount of arena splitting is going to change those behaviors. Period.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
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23+5654+91+0./gb,hcku,jm
yeah--do a search on me and notice the things i replied to.--i never bothered to post on here ,until i started reading the bile that you 4 or five guys kept spewing out!!----absolutly no class---i really can,t believe that HT lets you guys stir up all the trouble that you have.
do you 4 or 5 borg think you speak for entire furball loving community??-- i think not. i think most of them would be embaressed by your posts and nasty barbs.
just when i thought these posts were starting to get nice and friendly again----here they come --the same 4-5 mouths--buttin into absolutley every post they possibly can---and saying whatever they can to disrupt it!!
there outta be a law!!!!!
are you here to save us? it's refreshing to see that you haven't resorted to the same type of behavior.:aok
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Originally posted by JimJones
What I find so amusing about the arguments on the type of gameplay that is tolerated, etc...
HT is an enabler of those types of gameplay. They have done nothing to prevent those types of gameplay.
* CVs can be sunk -- why not make em invincible
* Fields can be stratted -- why not make strats invincible
* Fields can be captured -- make fields uncapturable.
* etc...
Until those fundamentals change, no amount of arena splitting is going to change those behaviors. Period.
so you are agreeing with laz when he said that the solution would be to have a new objective for winning?
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Originally posted by pluck
so you are agreeing with laz when he said that the solution would be to have a new objective for winning?
My point is it's pointless to argue semantics of gameplay when the game is the reason for the types of gameplay.
People also have to realize that any particular arena is not *theirs*.
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Posted by Hubs:
For fun, do a search of USRanger, 1boner or Rshubert. I see the same 5 or 6 guys whose views are similar to mine, and I see the same guys from your squad clones posting in many of those threads. If you're the leader of all of them, than you had better learn to like being singled out. If their posts are their ideas and opinions alone, and you don't agree with their tone or content, then stop defending them.
You really do believe your own line of bullchit, don't you? Yeah, do a search. In each thread how about counting how many times you or your squaddies slam somebody, then have then absolute nerve to claim WE are attacking people. Matter a fact, show me a thread where a BoP starts off ataacking someone, cause I can spend a whole evening giving a list of threads that you guys do. Never mind, I don't have to. Just read the last month's worth of threads. Plenty of examples there. You people absolutely blow me away. Keep tootin your own horns. The people reading these threads are not stupid. They see y'all for exactly what you are.
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
I say offer them 14.95 a month then tell them what to do.
I'm not that cheap... $16.03 and I'm yours ;)
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Originally posted by JimJones
My point is it's pointless to argue semantics of gameplay when the game is the reason for the types of gameplay.
People also have to realize that any particular arena is not *theirs*.
true, but i think discussing things that irk others may be helpfull for the community. fights break out over suggestions, things get taken the wrong way, assumptions are made, thin skin is broken, and everyone is left trying to claim the moral high while throwing insults just as fast, in this virtual land of spin.
so to my point, discussing is fine, maybe some kind of understanding can be reached. guess i'm not sure why discussion can't be done with both sides trying to understand where the other is coming from, especially in a game that is more like a sandbox.
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Originally posted by USRanger
Posted by Hubs:
You really do believe your own line of bullchit, don't you? Yeah, do a search. In each thread how about counting how many times you or your squaddies slam somebody, then have then absolute nerve to claim WE are attacking people. Matter a fact, show me a thread where a BoP starts off ataacking someone, cause I can spend a whole evening giving a list of threads that you guys do. Never mind, I don't have to. Just read the last month's worth of threads. Plenty of examples there. You people absolutely blow me away. Keep tootin your own horns. The people reading these threads are not stupid. They see y'all for exactly what you are.
you mean like in the beginning of this thread when falcon called guppy a griefer?
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Jim was that some kind of religous slam...semantics...hahaha
just kidding
everyone needs to lighten up
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Originally posted by USRanger
Posted by Hubs:
You really do believe your own line of bullchit, don't you? Yeah, do a search. In each thread how about counting how many times you or your squaddies slam somebody, then have then absolute nerve to claim WE are attacking people. Matter a fact, show me a thread where a BoP starts off ataacking someone, cause I can spend a whole evening giving a list of threads that you guys do. Never mind, I don't have to. Just read the last month's worth of threads. Plenty of examples there. You people absolutely blow me away. Keep tootin your own horns. The people reading these threads are not stupid. They see y'all for exactly what you are.
So much for acting like adults and agreeing to disagree. What'd that last? A few hours?
FWIW, If you don't like the way some people make their points, or what they have to say, fine. But to jump in to each of those threads and make no point whatsoever except to complain, belittle, or try to harass, annoy, or flame those people for whatever reason makes you guilty of the exact same thing you're claiming to be opposed to.
It's a discussion board, and we're allowed to discuss things. When someone says, "look at X,Y, and Z because they do This", and I see A,B and C doing the same things, I'm going to point that out. If you're A,B, or C, and acting like X,Y, or Z, it's really hard to say that they're the only problem.
I'm trying to act a little better and a little more tolerant of your extreme views than I have been (and I have gone nowhere near as far as you or boner), and while you claim to be making that same effort, your actions are betraying your words.
Just saying.
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I am being a hypocrit, but hey, you brought my name into it. I don't see much of an effort by you or any of your buddies. My try for peace was met by BK jokes and admin. deleted posts. I did the mature thing and got laughed at by yer buds. So I offer you this challenge hubs: Wing with me for 3 days. Just you & I, no squad channels. Your arena choice. Let's find out if we are as big of a**holes as we think eachother are. Or maybe we'll find out we are both pretty cool guys. What do you say? You'd be suprised at how nice a guy I am when you and your boyz stop calling me/my squad let's see: borg, horde, griefers, clones, sheep, fluffers, robots, etc, etc. Can ya see how that can get old after every day for almost 2 months? Cause it really does & I'm tired of hearing it from a bunch of boyz who get a sick thrill outta being the center of attention. You "men" can whine & moan for the next year and I still won't care what y'all think. So how about it hub? Got the cojones or what? Wing with me. See if we can get along. I think it'll be a helluva experiment. Game? Or maybe one of your buddies. I wanna see first hand how you guys do your thing. I wanna know how it justifies attacking hundreds of players you've never met with all the stupid names y'all come up with. You guys know how it should be? Show me.
BTW, I have no "extreme views" cause I do it ALL sister, and I've never ONCE told anyone how to play this game, just like the rest of my squad. Now looking around here, I see some people that better damn well never claim that.
I'll be awaiting your answer Ambassodor Hubs. Fly with me big boy.
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Originally posted by USRanger
I am being a hypocrit, but hey, you brought my name into it. I don't see much of an effort by you or any of your buddies. My try for peace was met by BK jokes and admin. deleted posts. I did the mature thing and got laughed at by yer buds. So I offer you this challenge hubs: Wing with me for 3 days. Just you & I, no squad channels. Your arena choice. Let's find out if we are as big of a**holes as we think eachother are. Or maybe we'll find out we are both pretty cool guys. What do you say? You'd be suprised at how nice a guy I am when you and your boyz stop calling me/my squad let's see: borg, horde, griefers, clones, sheep, fluffers, robots, etc, etc. Can ya see how that can get old after every day for almost 2 months? Cause it really does & I'm tired of hearing it from a bunch of boyz who get a sick thrill outta being the center of attention. You "men" can whine & moan for the next year and I still won't care what y'all think. So how about it hub? Got the cojones or what? Wing with me. See if we can get along. I think it'll be a helluva experiment. Game? Or maybe one of your buddies. I wanna see first hand how you guys do your thing. I wanna know how it justifies attacking hundreds of players you've never met with all the stupid names y'all come up with. You guys know how it should be? Show me.
BTW, I have no "extreme views" cause I do it ALL sister, and I've never ONCE told anyone how to play this game, just like the rest of my squad. Now looking around here, I see some people that better damn well never claim that.
I'll be awaiting your answer Ambassodor Hubs. Fly with me big boy.
Well, after such an enticing offer, let me say that I just can't imagine anything that could possibly be more fun than playing the game with you!
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Originally posted by USRanger
I'll be awaiting your answer Ambassodor Hubs. Fly with me big boy.
I have flown with hubs, and let me say...you are in for a "treat"
He only gives check 6's when he wants to steal your kill :furious
You'll constantly be bailing him out of trouble too...and probably getting yourself shot down in the process, while he will miraculously survive and land his kills to the accolades of his scorepadding squaddies
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Kammy smells like hot garbage. Pay her no mind. :mad:
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"Well, after such an enticing offer, let me say that I just can't imagine anything that could possibly be more fun than playing the game with you!"
now comeon... that was damn funny.. I don't care who you are.
ranger... you miss the point....you do tell people what to do...you tell thirty people or more what to do in your squad and it is some pretty ridgid stuff and...
by our way of thinking... bad for gameplay...
I flew with you and we got along fine if you recall. But then... I didn't have to take orders from you and you weren't ordering your drones to destroy gameplay.
I am sure you are a great guy... you are just a lousy guy to play in AH with left to your own designs. At least... so far as people who don't like your style of play are concerned.. I am sure that many people who affect our lives adversely are nice enough guys on a one to one.
Nothing wrong with that but... you can't expect us to respect rules and gameplay that make things worse for us can you? I mean...your rules and gameplay can affect us but we really can't affect you except by calling you on it.
Like you said... people aren't stupid.. they will read what you write and what I write and they will see the flaws and logic in both sides. well...you only said that they would agree with you but... you get the idea?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
call it like i see it...guy was never a frequent flier but has himself invovled in every post....he insists on rehashing his "theory" that if you are split into wings you cannot call yourself a squad....which is just hilarious!!!!
duuuhhh!!! nothing in here is real dan!!! nooooothhhhiiinig!!!!
i dont even bother to debate the point he keeps posting because it is so silly.:rolleyes:
so yes...act like a griefer..post like a griefer...mebbe time to look in the mirror and see how you are reflecting:aok
Putz
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well dan (guppy/corky) i will say you have been very nice in your posts and i in turn will do the same...
i wish you and your squad the very best....i hope we all can muddle through the changes that have and will occur...
i hope when it is all over folks of all game play will have something to look forward too...if your efforts will enable that faster then Godspeed.
falconwing:aok
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Hubs-it was not meant as a mean-spirited challenge. I was being sincere. I thought maybe we could get along. Well, I tried. Maybe some year you will take an hour or so to meet the people you are so quick to snub. Until then, good luck to you sir.
Lazs-That's probably the nicest post I've ever seen you send to/for a BoP. I really appreciate the tone of it. If only we could have started off like that. I also agree with you on the side-switching deal, at least in the EW. I see absolutely no problem with it, but I will go with whatever my squad as a whole decides to do. Trust me, we talk about it. Now there is something I want you to understand about the BoPs. A great number of us are past & present military. Loyalty is not just a word to us. It's is part of us. Back when we had the old MA, I was proud of our loyalty to the Bishops. I know of many, many squads that have only flown for the Bish. Now, with the new setup I really personally don't see the point in it. The strategic aspects of the game are gone. There's no reason for players to fight tooth & nail to defend their last couple bases when they can just go to another arena now. I know that is the part of the game you hate & won't miss it, but many, many of us do. It was a large part of the game, as it was intended, otherwise why have all the stuff needed for the strat game i.e. bombers, ord, factories, HQ, etc. Players shouldn't have been attacked for playing the way the game was originally designed and that they are paying their own hard earned money to do. I am perfectly willing (individually) to do what I can to help out gameplay, in the new form it has taken. I am willing to try to get good fights going in EW and to switch sides to even out numbers IF my squad decides to do it together. If no one in my squad is in the EW whenever I pop in, I have no prob. with switching, but if they show up, yes, I would go back to Bish. They are my squad, my team, my homies. We have no wish to fight eachother. Now, let me finish with this. I have no problem doing these things, as it is my free choice to make. NO ONE here is gonna ever tell me what I can & can't do, except the HTC staff. I believe a lagre majority also feel this way. I know my squad does.
Y'all could have at least asked us to make a few changes before starting in with the names and uber-flamage. And yes, I am way more agressive and defensive of my squad compared to a lot of others. That is who I am and I will never let a group,no matter who, repeatedly attack me & mine w/o firing right back. I know you are the same on that point. Thx again for the civil post. It is
much appreciated and will get the things you want a lot faster. Plz remember that in the future. Good luck to you. Hopefully this will all be over soon.
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Originally posted by USRanger
Hubs-it was not meant as a mean-spirited challenge. I was being sincere. I thought maybe we could get along. Well, I tried. Maybe some year you will take an hour or so to meet the people you are so quick to snub. Until then, good luck to you sir.
Seriously, look at your replies to me, and ask yourself why I would want anything to do with you whatsoever. I play this game to enjoy myself, not have some guy screaming at me calling my names because I've chosen to base my opinions on my experiences, and not yours.
In the 5+ years I've played this game, I've flown for 4 different squads, had well over a hundred squadmates, flown for every country, in every arena, as well as FSOs and the occasional scenario. I do not need you to tell me that I need to move around more and meet the people I'm "snubbing". I was a Bishop for about the first 2 years I played this game, and flew with and around BoP members on a daily basis. During that entire time, I never had a problem with any of you. Since the changes, when you guys became very vocal and very negative, there are a few of you who have become very nasty, and done nothing in my opinion to warrant any sort of capitulation on my part.
Put me on your ignore list, put Lazs on your ignore list, and just let us play the damn game already. We do not agree, you will not change my mind, and that's pretty much that.
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Seriously, look at your replies to me, and ask yourself why I would want anything to do with you whatsoever. I play this game to enjoy myself, not have some guy screaming at me calling my names because I've chosen to base my opinions on my experiences, and not yours.
Gee, I should have said that first. Well, whatever floats your boat Sweetheart. I'm not gonna kiss your butt, begging for you to like me. I've already stated many times that your opinion means squat to me. I was just giving us a chance to both change our minds about eachother, since we've never actually ran into eachother I believe. You don't want it? That's fine. Game on! Your charred skull will make a most excellent bedpan.(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/47/laughingsmiley014qe8.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Kammy smells like hot garbage. Pay her no mind. :mad:
Better than smelling like a hot lunch... :rofl
:D
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Seriously, look at your replies to me, and ask yourself why I would want anything to do with you whatsoever. I play this game to enjoy myself, not have some guy screaming at me calling my names because I've chosen to base my opinions on my experiences, and not yours.
In the 5+ years I've played this game, I've flown for 4 different squads, had well over a hundred squadmates, flown for every country, in every arena, as well as FSOs and the occasional scenario. I do not need you to tell me that I need to move around more and meet the people I'm "snubbing". I was a Bishop for about the first 2 years I played this game, and flew with and around BoP members on a daily basis. During that entire time, I never had a problem with any of you. Since the changes, when you guys became very vocal and very negative, there are a few of you who have become very nasty, and done nothing in my opinion to warrant any sort of capitulation on my part.
Put me on your ignore list, put Lazs on your ignore list, and just let us play the damn game already. We do not agree, you will not change my mind, and that's pretty much that.
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one hundered squadmates????? name 33 of them !!!
jk---couldn,t resist.
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2001 to present, off the top of my head. Some GameIDs have changed, some guys don't play anymore.
CanDo
55tdoc
pezhead
trgtdron
glase
troll
jambu
mrif
nose
bdbal
limmi
spoon
grim
meddog
93gt
billyb
hawk
golfer
glove
jazz
shawk
bryguy
twratm
hondo
skipz
wolfala
howitzer
coors
nuke
fx1
abdc
madjocko
ogie
mkl
warraidr
redmizt
fugazi
urabus
ironchef
jiggsaw
jigsaw (diff guys, diff squads)
leviathn
slapshot
messiah
nathbdp WOOO WOOOOO
morpheus
mars01
edbert
badboy58
nopoop
hooligan
supadud
megadud
bodhi
kwan
ouch
recon7
furball
stang
drex
lazs
dipstick
checkers
icer
grits
crapgame
redd
xtremej
grmrpr
wadke
pirate
jaxxo
I think that's almost 30. ;)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You have to remember that it's been your guys in particular harping about not being able to get everyone on the same team in an arena at the same time. This of course being because you have six squads under the one name? HTC screwed you guys over because you can't get all your guys in one arena has been the cry. I don't recall the Unforgiven saying anything or the 367th or any of the other multi-squads. Remember, I'm not defining squad size, HTC is. You not liking their definition doesn't change the fact that they set the limit.
Sorry Gup, but other squads (and not just the huge ones) have had major headache with the new paradigm. They may just not have thought it worthwhile to voice it here as HiTech 'seems' not to listen. i.e. We told them arena sizes were way too small, and they eventually increased them, but still not enough. Now, the new leveling is in effect and again they remove more "players choice" from the game in a search for something they can never really have.
JG-3 Udet is one full 'Wing' as we call it and half of a second. However, given we have several members on duty in the military, others on extended medical leave, and some who just don't play very often, we are lucky to get 15 on our squad nights. I think I've seen 20+ maybe twice in a year. A nice group for doing missions, but not an overpowering horde by any means (generally, we work alone on squad nights).
Yet, on our squad nights, we spend 10-15 minutes trying to get together in one arena or the other as the squad is inevitably shuffled between the two LW arenas, which is where we want most of our organized activities to occur. (We do, occaisonally go to the others).
And then, given the still too small arena sizes and the new 'forced' leveling algorithm, our country in LW1 is either massively outnumbered limiting the success of any activity other than defense, or we massively outnumber the enemy such that our ENY is forever pegged at 20+. If we switch enmass to LW2, our country again way outnumbers the enemy, facing maybe 30-50 opponents combined across the map. Have to put up a flare to let everyone know where a battle is going to be. Super drag, and IS in the process of killing squad play, which IS the way we like to play and IS the major reason I stay. No, it's not just megasquads that are having a problem.
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Let's close this thread and everybody get a room !
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Hub put me on his list! I'm famous!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Hub put me on his list! I'm famous!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Not Famous, Infamous:D
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Originally posted by SHawk
Not Famous, Infamous:D
lol SHawk
He put you in his list too.:O
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
Pay for other people's account's and then you can tell people what to do...
Amen. I wish the whiners would man-up and stop crying like little b1tches when everything isn't going their way.