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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on October 25, 2006, 07:49:55 PM
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Ok, I pulled an old CB radio out of my parents closet, or rather my mom pulled it out of the shoe closet for me, cause I wasn't home when I asked about it.
It's a GE (General Electrics)
Anyone got any idea how I can test it out and see if it works, no mic and no antenna hookup. If I bought an antenna for it, I wouldn't know where to put it on my truck, it's a Ford Ranger with a cap on the back. I also wouldn't know how to install the CB radio.
Would it even be worth trying it or would it be better to go grab an $80.00 model?
Serial # on the GE CB RADIO
00050065
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Did ya find a tube type AM radio to install, too? No mic and no antenna, you won't be able to test it. It's probably a 23 channel anyway. If ya want a CB, go down to the truckstop and look around. There are some really cool 10 & 11 meter rigs that combo as CB's. I have a President HR2510 with a Wilson antenna from my trucking days. It has over 4000 channels plus upper and lower sideband. Farthest contact I made was a guy in Tazmania. :cool:
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You need a ham radio license to talk on 10 meters. CB frequency is 11 meters, 27 mhz.
You can buy a cheap 40 channel cb radio for ~$40. Your better ones will have upper and lower sideband.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
You need a ham radio license to talk on 10 meters. CB frequency is 11 meters, 27 mhz.
You can buy a cheap 40 channel cb radio for ~$40. Your better ones will have upper and lower sideband.
It's illegal to broadcast over 5 watts, too.:t
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From what I learned in a calss at one of my trainings is that getting a license can take awhile to get.
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You can listen.:)
I guess what I'm trying to get at is there are underground radio channels besides the basic 40. Truckers often use a channel known as the "hi side" of 19 when they want to talk in more privacy. It's not a sideband of 19, it's a completely different frequency. Galaxy, President and some other import radios have these channels built in with instructions on how to activate the switch. Hence the name "hi side and low side". I forget what set of freq's it is.
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Ham licenses arent hard to get. All you have to do is study and take a test. If meatwad can do it, you know it cant be that hard :rofl
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I think they dropped the morse code requirement for 10 meter.
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Originally posted by rpm
I think they dropped the morse code requirement for 10 meter.
Yes, a "Novice License" no longer requires Morse Code (which should still be practiced IMO)
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I had to study morse to get my license when I started, that was back in 96
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Ham licenses aren't hard, just requires studying. I got my ticket at 12 years old. Callsign is KE4TMG.
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one needs a license to communicate? what the ****?!
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"one needs a license to communicate? what the ****?!"
:D
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The HF CB band in NZ is 40 channels on 26 mhz. Not sure about now, but CBers in NZ use to have to be licensed.
Operating on the 27 mhz CB band in NZ is illegal.
Dunno how serious it's policed now, cause it's been more than 20 years since I worked 11 meters, but back in those days the Govt employed radio inspectors (attached to the post office I think) armed with radio detection equipment, mobile in vans, to track down 11 meter pirates or anyone operating a 27 mhz Aussie or US CB set for that matter. Anyone they caught would have their radio gear confiscated and would likely be prosecuted.
There were 3 major unwritten rules to cut down on the chances of getting caught.
The most important rule was to never operate during buisness hours when the radio inspectors were at work. You were usually safe on week nights and weekends.
Second most important rule was to stay off 10 meters cause it could po some local Amateurs enough for them to rat on yer to the RIs. And some Amateurs were sore at losing their 11 meter band weren’t exactly happy that it was been used by unlicensed riff raff anyway :)
Third was choice of aerial. It had to be reasonably discrete. The legal 26 mhz CBers almost universally used either the 1/4 wave ground plane or 1/2 wave vertical. If you used an end firing aerial like a 4 element quad or 5 element yagi you could expect a visit from the gestapo... because such aerials were not the norm and stood out as a visual beacon.
Working the world on 11 meters was fun, but half the fun of it was sticking it up the anal control freaks.
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i run a 3000 watt kicker on my cobra 148gtl so i can talk to the driver 100 feet in front of me. go to the truckstop like rpm says. flingj in jacksonville there will be a cb shop around. they usually test for free.
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I loved my Texas Star 667. Not many people could talk over me and I could always shut the crackerheads up with a dead key.
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Originally posted by rpm
I loved my Texas Star 667. Not many people could talk over me and I could always shut the crackerheads up with a dead key.
:rofl :cry :lol :rofl :cry :lol
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Lots of info..
How'bout an answer?
Where should I put the antenna on my Ford Ranger truck with a cap on the bed?
And what brand of trans/reciv is best?
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I had a Uniden Washington base station, with a d104 power mic and an Amtron 99 antennae. It was alot of fun, especially when the bands started to skip. I could talk all over the country, even to mexico, just on 4 watts.
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Finally a man subject that I know something about :)
Hawklore get a magnet mount antenna, unless your into power then get a 102 inch steel whip, and a ball mount, if you get a basic magnet mount I suggest placing it on the top of the cab in the center, for the hookup, red is power, black is ground, if it has an orange wire thats for a channel saver on the digital readout ones that came in the mid 90's, if you just want to mess around locally get a basic 4 pin mic, and plug it in. I don't know about your unit, but theres a lot of cb radios, that won't have any sound until the mic is plugged in.
I'll check with a friend of mine and see if he still has any tweaks for the inside of the radio to get you some more power if you want me to
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Hawklore
You plan on driving and talking you might want to get a newer radio , because of interfiernce from electronics with older radios
If you go with a newer radio also you should invest in a standing wave meter and A good magmont on the cab the wilson 5000
Ground everthing to the truck
Id go wit Texas ranger radios Or RCI But theres a bunch
a good Astic D104 hand mike
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Lots of info..
How'bout an answer?
Where should I put the antenna on my Ford Ranger truck with a cap on the bed?
And what brand of trans/reciv is best?
President, Galaxy and Uniden (Cobra) are all good radios. Get a base loaded Wilson antenna. If it's magmount put it on top of the cab. If it's a bolt mount put it on the right hand edge of the hood near the windshield. Make sure you buy coax in 6ft increments so you can set your SWR.
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How about a Super Star 3900? thats what I have in my truck and its never had interference from anything as long as I keep the noise filter switch on.
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Breaker one-nine, breaker one-nine for a radio check. RPM ya got yer ears on? Needing a smokey report, heading west San Antone mile marker 533, come back.
(http://www.luma-electronic.cz/lp/s/Sovine/sovine_teddybear.jpg)
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LOL, Reminds me of the time I had to get a repair done at a Georgia weigh station. Called the shop and told them I was stuck at the chicken coupe and needed a welder. The guy at the shop kept asking me what I was doing out at a farm and how the hell did I manage to run over a chicken coupe. The DOT guys were busting out laughing as I had to explain step by step to the idiot over the phone that a "Chicken Coupe" was a weigh station and they would'nt let me go until I got my trailer fixed.
dmf, you drive big trucks?
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NO way I'd ever drive a big truck, I'm a woman, not a guy. I just have a cb in my little pickup. I know a few things about the big trucks though, my cousin drives one locally.
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CB radios are almost useless. They have a line of sight range of about 3 miles, unless you boost the power illegally.
They are gay
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ByeBye, wrong. 11 meters is right on the border of the 10 meter ham band. Thusly long range communication is entirely possible.
The antennae is by far the most important part of a radio. The better your antennae, the farther you can talk.
My base station cb radio had a range of about 40 miles with my Amtron 99 antennae, and about 80 miles with a 3 element yagi directional antennae. On days when the atmosphere was ionized, it was possible to talk hundreds and even thousands of miles away.
CB radios operate with 4 watts on AM, 12 watts on single side band.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
CB radios are almost useless. They have a line of sight range of about 3 miles, unless you boost the power illegally.
They are gay
Sure thing Nuke.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Sure thing Nuke.
CB radios are a joke. Totally useless today. We have cell phones and compaired to what you can get in a handheld HAM radio, cb's are a worthless pile of crap.
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With a legal CB radio, you can expect a rialable range of 1 to 5 miles max under ideal conditions.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
ByeBye, wrong. 11 meters is right on the border of the 10 meter ham band. Thusly long range communication is entirely possible.
The band is not the entire issue. A CB cannot legally transmit over 5 watts
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Originally posted by ByeBye
The band is not the entire issue. A CB cannot legally transmit over 5 watts
On the highways, average trans/recept. is around 5-6 miles. That is with 5 watts.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
CB radios are a joke. Totally useless today. We have cell phones and compaired to what you can get in a handheld HAM radio, cb's are a worthless pile of crap.
Come wheeling with me, where Cell phone service is null and you have 10 rigs in your group. CB's are just fine when used in the proper application.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Come wheeling with me, where Cell phone service is null and you have 10 rigs in your group. CB's are just fine when used in the proper application.
If you and your "wheeling" buddies had half a brain and could pass a HAM test, then you would have a very usefull radio. CB's are total crap.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
If you and your "wheeling" buddies had half a brain and could pass a HAM test, then you would have a very usefull radio. CB's are total crap.
Wow, you really hate CB's huh?? You get beat up by one as a kid?
I love mine. In Virginia, where radar detectors are illegal by the way, it's nice to know where the cops are when rolling down the highway. Turn the squelch up and the RF Gain down about half and I can hear the truckers a couple miles up the road from me with no problem, but I don't have to listen to all the other garbage normally associated with AM radios.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
CB radios are almost useless. They have a line of sight range of about 3 miles, unless you boost the power illegally.
I am gay
OK, if you say so....
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Originally posted by Nuke
CB radios are almost useless. They have a line of sight range of about 3 miles, unless you boost the power illegally.
Originally posted by Nuke
We have cell phones and compaired to what you can get in a handheld HAM radio, cb's are a worthless pile of crap.
Originally posted by Nuke
With a legal CB radio, you can expect a rialable range of 1 to 5 miles max under ideal conditions.
Originally posted by Nuke
The band is not the entire issue. A CB cannot legally transmit over 5 watts.
Originally posted by Nuke
If you and your "wheeling" buddies had half a brain and could pass a HAM test, then you would have a very usefull radio. CB's are total crap.
Nuke, you're 0 for 5. But I have to say this new Mr.Black version of you is interesting. Angry, but interesting.
1-CB's are AM, thus line of sight has no bearing on their effective range.
2-Cell phones are great, but can you give me the number of the guy in the black Peterbilt heading south? I'd really like to call the guy driving the truck that just passed me. You got his digits while your at it?
3-With a brand new out of the box radio, the rialable (wtf?) range is entirely dependant upon the atmospheric conditions.
4-A CB can legally transmit up to 12 watts using SSB.
5-You don't need half a brain to get your ticket. What you need is a little committment. As far as day to day useability goes, CB's are much more useful than a ham for the average user.
Now to split hairs, for the most part a stock radio is weak and hard to understand. They are not for everybody, but if you travel a lot they are very handy. You can buy a linear and bump up your power illegally, but when was the last time you heard of somebody getting thrown in jail for it?
I've been out of CB's for the last 10 years or so, but I started messing with them in 1967, way before the CB craze hit in the mid 70's. Back then you had to get a ticket for them, my callsign was KHO-5639. I went so far as to get my FCC 1st Class RTO ticket and I've run 50,000 watts clear channel commercial transmitters.
Please, tell me more about CB's...
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Best piece of equipment for the CB buff, bar none-----------> SWR meter.
You will save yourself a lot of probs. :)
Power?....When you can light neon from 10 yds you are in the zone. :)
Skip is not what it used to be, but still fun when conditions are right.
:aok
They have a line of sight range of about 3 miles, unless you boost the power illegally.
Gotta luv it! :rofl :lol :rolleyes:
Children, can we say 666...Puerto Rico????
:D
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Originally posted by rpm
Nuke, you're 0 for 5. But I have to say this new Mr.Black version of you is interesting. Angry, but interesting.
1-CB's are AM, thus line of sight has no bearing on their effective range.
2-Cell phones are great, but can you give me the number of the guy in the black Peterbilt heading south? I'd really like to call the guy driving the truck that just passed me. You got his digits while your at it?
3-With a brand new out of the box radio, the rialable (wtf?) range is entirely dependant upon the atmospheric conditions.
4-A CB can legally transmit up to 12 watts using SSB.
5-You don't need half a brain to get your ticket. What you need is a little committment. As far as day to day useability goes, CB's are much more useful than a ham for the average user.
Now to split hairs, for the most part a stock radio is weak and hard to understand. They are not for everybody, but if you travel a lot they are very handy. You can buy a linear and bump up your power illegally, but when was the last time you heard of somebody getting thrown in jail for it?
I've been out of CB's for the last 10 years or so, but I started messing with them in 1967, way before the CB craze hit in the mid 70's. Back then you had to get a ticket for them, my callsign was KHO-5639. I went so far as to get my FCC 1st Class RTO ticket and I've run 50,000 watts clear channel commercial transmitters.
Please, tell me more about CB's...
Nuke's having an "off night" rpm. Between getting shreadded in here, fake grass, and that "great voice".
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Originally posted by ByeBye
With a legal CB radio, you can expect a rialable range of 1 to 5 miles max under ideal conditions.
And how far up ahead does a trucker need to see or hear a road report from 20 miles? i-5 miles is plenty of time for anybody to do what they need to do, (Ie, slow down, speed up stop, turn off)
If you don't like cb radios, thats your business. but why do you bash the guys in here that use them? I only have one in my truck cause it was there when I got the truck and it still works, and I kind a like it, its more fun than a cell phone or the nextel beep.
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dmf
after sunset in west texas at triple digits you cover 20 miles real quick
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YIKES!
There is more MIS-information in this thread than bugs at a Sunday picnic.
CB radio CAN be useful, both on the road and for base stations. Reality is that most mobile operation is both AM, and with VERTICAL (no gain) antennas. With that setup (1/4 wave vertical and 5 watts) range is limited to 10 miles or less, depending on your elevation and height over average terrain. Worse yet is that the effeciency of magnet mount antennas is very poor.
Folks who decide to use illegal amps face the wrath of FCC official Riley Hollingsworth, who has been handing out fines (Notice of Apparent Liability) in excess of $10,500 for the last 10 years like CANDY to illegal operators. They are easy to spot, and usually get reported by the amateur radio community who DO monitor.
People who operate on frequencies NOT assigned to the CB range stick out like sore thumbs, and are not only easy to triangulate from earth stations, but now the FCC has access to satellites that can easily track it to a specific address.
In the 1970's and 80's, illegal operation was rampant, and the FCC was understaffed and did not have the technology to bust the offenders...that playing field is now totally different.
Worse yet are operators who buy 10 meter ham rigs (without a license) and fire up on amateur radio frequencies...again, EASY to spot, report, and eliminate.
Once the FCC gets involved...plays the digital recording (and spectrum monitor analysis in some cases as illegal signals are WIDE) to the offenders...they most often admit their guilt--have their equipment confiscated and pay a hefty fine.
There are very easy ways in base operations to increase signal strength and range (up to 150 miles) WITHOUT illegal amps is to use an antenna with GAIN. My homebrewed 10 meter 6 element quad at 70' (fixed supports facing Europe and the Middle East) cost less than $100, and had a gain of over 20. My 100 watt signal sounded like 2 KILOWATTS on the other end. Did VERY well in contests...best DX?....Kazakhstan on the first call.
If your interest is to talk over long distances and meet new people from countries all over the world and have some pretty cool friendships worldwide??--get a ham license.
The test is like anything else, if you study, you will pass.
Why the test? Your government is entrusting you with both long and short distance communications, and up to 1,500 watts of power. It's a privilege. Hams nowadays (post 9/11) handle disaster and emergency communications (9/11, Katrina, etc.) and traffic in and out of places where power and regular telephone communications are down. Hams can also get additional training via the Armed Forces and handle phone patches and messages for military stationed abroad (M.A.R.S.).
You can also communicate via satellites, repeaters, and computer-based nodes, send Fast and Slow Scan Television. With VoiP technology, you can log onto computer nodes and talk over repeaters in countries WORLD with with your Aces High headset! If you don't want to by the new Yaesu 9000 at a pricetag of $10,000--use your computer. No antenna required.
And for anyone who says Morse code is dead? Most of the JUICY DX (rare long distance stations) operate CW (Morse code)...a signal that can get through fading, noise, interference, and static where voice communication can't.
One of the most fun Air Warrior things to do was the hams on AW would get on 40 and 80 meters at night with other ham squaddies and use it before we had VOX on that game!
Most any ham will do everything they can to help you get a license, and arrl.org should be your first internet stop if you are interested. Heck, e-mail me and I will help!
I'd much rather help fellow AH'ers to get a legitimate license rather than see them get fined.
Is talking on 27.625 LSB with an illegal amp on worth a $10,000 fine?
Respectfully,
ROX
K5TEN
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If Riley Hollingsworth is so concerned about illegal operators, why doesn't he just set up at any truckstop or weigh station an vulch like a Rook with a new LA-7? Seriously, the FCC is more concerned with Janet Jackson and Howard Stern than it is CB'ers.
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Please read on:
Literally THOUSANDS of enforcement NAL's...
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/
The second log on that list:
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/2006/1002.html
...busts a CB'er who invaded 10 meters....operating voice in a digital modes only segment, no less.
ROX
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Dear Mr. Baker:
On August 4, 2006, we sent you a copy of a complaint filed against the operation of your station. The complaint alleged deliberate interference on 75 Meters on February 12, 2006. We requested you to review the complaint and respond to this office within 20 days.
We have reviewed your response dated August 18, 2006, and anticipate no further action in this matter. However, you are reminded that all frequencies in the Amateur Radio Service are shared.
cc: FCC South Central Regional Director
Hardcore man...HARDCORE!
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Here's an example:
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Dear Mr. Vincent:
Information before the Commission indicates that your tractor # 4366 was the source of radio transmissions on the Ten Meter Amateur Radio band (28.085 MHz) on June 11, 2006 at 12:10 PM. The location was North Carolina I-85 North between exits 17 and 21.
Please be advised that operation of radio transmitting equipment without a license is a violation of Section 301 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. Section 301, and will subject drivers to fine or imprisonment, as well as an in rem seizure of any non-certified radio transmitting equipment, in cooperation with the United States Attorney for your jurisdiction. Monetary forfeitures normally range from $7,500 to $10,000.
Please contact me at 717-338-2502 to discuss this matter.
cc: FCC South Central Region >>
ROX
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This example is pretty common, with the exception of the amount of the fine imposed:
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Still worth the risk?
ROX
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Dunno, ask the 1,000,000 or so other illegal operators that are on the air. Nobody is saying get on 10 Meters, be an arse and get away with it. I can say FCC enforcement is a joke. :noid
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Some of us don't even know what 10 meter is, all I know is I get on channel 19 and talk to people I hear, and a few friends of mine use them to have fun and talk while their mudding, and where to meet next.