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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bear69 on October 26, 2006, 08:23:25 AM
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Well i have to say with the new setup Rankings have becoime meaningless. Milkrunners rule the EW and MW arenas. With 2-4 people from each side online during the daytime all they do is hit strat unopposed all day. Is that what we want a community of milkrunners?
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I likes me rank so i write my name with the Cv way points
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strats ack doesnt work, which is one reason why strat is a easy target... you can come in low and slow and get everything.....
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We are ranked? :eek:
Uh oh....:o
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Originally posted by Bear69
Well i have to say with the new setup Rankings have becoime meaningless. Milkrunners rule the EW and MW arenas. With 2-4 people from each side online during the daytime all they do is hit strat unopposed all day. Is that what we want a community of milkrunners?
They always were they always will be. Just don't look at them if you think they are meaningless :D
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Originally posted by Bear69
Well i have to say with the new setup Rankings have becoime meaningless. Milkrunners rule the EW and MW arenas. With 2-4 people from each side online during the daytime all they do is hit strat unopposed all day. Is that what we want a community of milkrunners?
Ranks were useless before the change.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Ranks were useless before the change.
ack-ack
Yep.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Ranks were useless before the change.
ack-ack
In fact, there are those who think that ranks actually caused harm.
- oldman
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Im a strat milkrunner. This was caused by the lack of time and patience to learn AvA skills to make a name for myself as a fighter. Also because I simply like bombing things more. Bigger explosions and more destruction my be the cause of that.
My rank was good when I did this. It effected furball pilots in no way. Before or after the change.
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im a strat guy..... and its not my fault theres no one to defend anything ;)
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Originally posted by Overlag
im a strat guy..... and its not my fault theres no one to defend anything ;)
same here, not my fault that HTC rewards us with a posting on the front page of their website.
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-if you don't care about rank, then there's no need to complain
-if you do care about rank, then you will be there milkrunning with them
seems to me like everyone is happy
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well next time somebody goes on one can they bring me two pints of full fat and a pint of semi-skimmed.
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Uh, bear.... rank has ALWAYS been meaningless.. the only time it was worthwhile to fly for rank was back when HTC was giving money to the top 15 for 3 months or so. That was what... 2003? :lol Last time I bothered with that crap.
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WetRat is rank. ewwwwww.
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I'm ranked 666 today. :t
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Originally posted by Stang
WetRat is rank. ewwwwww.
Stang smells like a bag of smashed... cornholes.
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huh huh huh, huh huh huh... cornholio!
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A few camps back, Leviathn was ranked 1337.
And wetrat smells like hot garbage.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
A few camps back, Leviathn was ranked 1337.
And wetrat smells like hot garbage.
In grade 7, I yelled out "Lauren smells like hot garbage!" on the bus while on a ski trip... she cried. I laughed.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
In fact, there are those who think that ranks actually caused harm.
- oldman
To a certain extent that is also true. IMO, rank has had a negative influence in game play starting when HTC had the contest a few years ago for the top 15 pilots. It was at that point that rank became over emphasized and had a very noticable negative effect on the game play.
ack-ack
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Agreed.
What gets measured gets done. The ranks have nothing to do with good game play (however YOU define it). It generates a micro game within the larger game. People roll undefended bases in EW and MW to bolster their vechicle and bomber scores. That should not be rewarded. We should just count kills or kills to sortie ratio. No way to do that without someone else... or maybe not...
I also agree the front page post drives the current rank importance which again drives poor game play.
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To a certain extent that is also true. IMO, rank has had a negative influence in game play starting when HTC had the contest a few years ago for the top 15 pilots. It was at that point that rank became over emphasized and had a very noticable negative effect on the game play.
uh? HTC don't make mistakes like this.........YOU LIE!!!!!!
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With rank, without rank, who cares! If there is a ranking system, it will be gamed, if there is no ranking system, how would we know who is the best bomber pilot in the game? ....or the best GV guy?.... or the best fighter? ....or the best attacker? lol:rolleyes: I play for fighter rank(usually all corsair C model sorties) about every name change for at least one tour! Why I do that is only known in a far distant planet on the outer edge of the galaxy of Dweebromeda!:aok
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Get rid of the scores and getting your name in lights for landing 2 or more 'kills' and the fighting in this game would get a heck of a lot better. IMO
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Originally posted by Flatbar
Get rid of the scores and getting your name in lights for landing 2 or more 'kills' and the fighting in this game would get a heck of a lot better. IMO
That would be awesome!:aok
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Get rid of the scores and getting your name in lights for landing 2 or more 'kills' and the fighting in this game would get a heck of a lot better. IMO
yea, do that...im sure people would change the way they fly then....I sure know I would:rolleyes:
if somebody is timid, they will be timid regardless...until they take the chance and try something different...and that is up to the individual.
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While my views on this kind of thing aren't normally aligned with killnu, he's right, IMO. Most of those guys wouldn't change their tactics much. While I think rank may have had an effect on the way some people play, or the importance others put on stats, scoring, etc, simply removing those things would not break them from their habits at all. They'd find a new rationale, and gameplay wouldn't change at all.
While not much of a score dweeb, I did have the honor of holding the #1 statistic for kills per hour for about a week, without a single vulch. Then I upped a spit at a vulched field, and my fleeting moment of glory was but a memory.
Fly for fun, not stats. Pay attention to what you enjoy in the game, not what pisses you off about how others play. Some don't care, some do it just to piss you off. Win that fight; have fun regardless.
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its a natural progression thing, imo. ive noticed a ton of new names lately....a ton. when i first started in AW back in the day...i was told alt=life...so i took that and ran with it...i was grabbin to 20k every stinking time...eventually...that got boring ot me...got lower and lower...till i found my happy spot.
came to AH, went from RR to FR...total noob, back to grabbin to 20k...getting feel for game controls, each plane, aim,etc...eventually realized, it was boring, nobody up there, it wasnt needed, as i became more comfortable with game, and i came down some, down some more...now after long time, i dont much care what alt im at, i do typically grab to 10k to start, but even if i am low bounced by higher cons, it dont matter, i feel im on offensive vice defensive no matter my position....it just took some time.
from what i have noticed, lots of new people...they are going to progress eventually, some faster than others...and with help with some vets giving good guidance, it will speed up the process.
imo, vets actually taking a bit of time, will help out in long haul, for everyone....not removing this and that which really dont matter much if the progression never takes place.
my .02 of course.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
While not much of a score dweeb, I did have the honor of holding the #1 statistic for kills per hour for about a week, without a single vulch.
I wonder what got into you that week...
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please give us money again for being scorepotatos, that was fantastic.
:noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
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As a guy that likes rank for CV command it astounds me this misconception from guys that think Rank play effects game play. Gotta tell ya guys "YOU ARE WRONG".
OK, I agree that guys getting rank in empty arenas is gamey and prolly done by the lesser known scorers, if at all but, they ain't gonna get "fighter or GV" points. When ever there is a thread concerning rank you'll get lines like (Solar, Flatbar no offence to you, just an example)
I also agree the front page post drives the current rank importance which again drives poor game play..
Get rid of the scores and getting your name in lights for landing 2 or more 'kills' and the fighting in this game would get a heck of a lot better.
What a load of tosh. Have any of you that think rank makes poor game play ever really tried to get in the top 20 ? For those that say rank is meaningless fine but here's what you cannot do if you like or want rank.
Fighter:- You cannot float about for 45 minutes and land 3 kills. You can't be timid. You can't keep getting killed either. You gotta have some skills and landing kills goes along way towards rank, although not absolutely necessary ....depending on amount of kills in least time at the time blah blah blah.
Bombers:- Landing bombers is really a must for bomber rank but then again so is hit% to damage %. Doing 300 sorties (100 really x 3) and getting killed 280 times is just gamey bollocks. They'll be ya low level hanger bangers. Talking of hangers they pay bad for damage sortie. So avacadoting hangers all day long does not help rank or your concepts to "game play". Cities, Factories, Towns and to some extent Cv's pay for your bomber rank + it slows enemy strats.
Getting killed in bombers and missing with bombs is so bad for bomber rank you may as well not have bothered. So none of ya gamey Cv suicider low level hanger banging which is also really bad for game play.
GV:- You gotta get kills you gotta gun factories. Dieing and missing don't help. Camping for 2 hour and landing 10 kills is a waist of time. Like fighter rank you really need to get in there and kill buggers quick and lots of um. I once camped for nearly 3hrs and landed 53. It helped my Gv rank but no where near as much I thought. Factories pay good for hit / damage % + it helps slow enemy strats.
In short if you fly realism.... not dieing, getting kills or meeting mission objectives and then RTB your rank sorts itself out. I would much rather have an arena with 100 more "scorers" than 100 bomber bailers, pork an bailers, Cv suiciders. These are the guys that effect game play. Make game play poor. These are the real misguided idiots followed swiftly by those that think scoring is counter to good game play.
What would you prefer ... a guy that bombs your town from 18k and RTB's or the guy that makes 3 low level trips bailing each sortie so as to repeat ASAP. ?
What would you prefer a guy at 10k calibrated bombing your Cv giving you a chance to turn said Cv. Or the guy that repeatedly dive bombS his B17's onto the deck. ?
If you think rank is meaningless "FINE" but bad for game play...you are so "WRONG".
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Originally posted by Bear69
Well i have to say with the new setup Rankings have becoime meaningless. Milkrunners rule the EW and MW arenas. With 2-4 people from each side online during the daytime all they do is hit strat unopposed all day. Is that what we want a community of milkrunners?
Ranks are/were meaningless to begin with.
They have always shown nothing except those that play alot.
If you're good and want to prove that to yourself, at the start of the next tour go up in a fighter (as a fighter, not attack) and shoot down as many planes as you can in one sortie (refuel if you can) without dieing. Land your kills and DO NOT fly another sortie as a fighter for a few days. Let's say you kill 12 planes with a 10% hit rate and did it in 1 hour. Sounds impressive doesn't it? A number 1 ranking in the fighter slot is in the wind right?
Wrong..after a few of days someone who simply flys alot more than you did will take over your rank. Even though that person has a worse KD ratio, Hit %, KPH and KPS.
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Originally posted by wetrat
In grade 7, I yelled out "Lauren smells like hot garbage!" on the bus while on a ski trip... she cried. I laughed.
AHAHAHAHAHA :rofl
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Originally posted by LYNX
...You can't be timid.
Yes you can, just look at who's #1 in fighters.
ack-ack
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The secret is to forget about rank. Fly something that isn't uber. Get under the bad guys and beg em to come down, or dive into the largest pack of red you can find and see how long you can last.
It's great fun and as a prize HTC gives you a brand new plane after every flight :)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Yes you can, just look at who's #1 in fighters.
ack-ack
AKAK, I for one know that you have absolutely no room to talk about someone being timid! Now, back to your cloud, bud! KillnU can fight when he wants to, and in a 38 he does alot better than you at killing on the first pass from an alt advantage!:aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Yes you can, just look at me there is no one more timid than me, if you look up timid in the dictionary you will find my photo.
ack-ack
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no chit, we normally set out with no intentions to rtb, its an accident and frowned upon if we do.;)
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Originally posted by SkyRock
AKAK, I for one know that you have absolutely no room to talk about someone being timid! Now, back to your cloud, bud! KillnU can fight when he wants to, and in a 38 he does alot better than you at killing on the first pass from an alt advantage!:aok
ouch! :O
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Originally posted by SkyRock
AKAK, I for one know that you have absolutely no room to talk about someone being timid! Now, back to your cloud, bud! KillnU can fight when he wants to, and in a 38 he does alot better than you at killing on the first pass from an alt advantage!:aok
oh please...go take your bluster and feeble chest thumping somewhere else. Check the pilot vs. pilot stats and you'll see who's the catcher and who is the pitcher.
ack-ack
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'bout damned time. PURSEFIGHT!
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We would like to see a seperate ranking for our weekly Olympic Auger into Shuffler Event. Would make record keeping much easier on our Squad.
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Oh man Shuffler...there is no way you'll be able to beat CorkyJr, Phanboi or Silat. You can auger until the end of the world and you'll never even come close to beating their records.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
oh please...
ack-ack
Sounds like a quote from a timid pilot alright! I find Killn in the stomach of the furball many times, and you I find only when I look towards the sun! It is very easy to be aggressive with a 10k alt advantage on all other planes in the sector. Why don't you just stop talking like you aren't timid and own up! Since you avoid dueling me, which would require us both being in the same atmospheric layer at the merge, I can only base my opinion on what i have seen in the MA. Which is you nowhere to be found among the inerds of the furball, yet more a knit on the scalp!:aok
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i was pondering the concept of having rank tie into the perk multiplier somehow. like the BCS kill someone with a higher rank and get a bump up in perkies. nothing extreme but a little extra umph. i think it would make rank a little more useful than just once a month getting your name on the front page.
i have not the slightest idea of how it would be implemented or if its even possible, just a random idea.
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Originally posted by jhookt
i was pondering the concept of having rank tie into the perk multiplier somehow. like the BCS kill someone with a higher rank and get a bump up in perkies. nothing extreme but a little extra umph. i think it would make rank a little more useful than just once a month getting your name on the front page.
i have not the slightest idea of how it would be implemented or if its even possible, just a random idea.
Hah, I like that. Let the mullet hunt begin!
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I'm timid...:aok
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Originally posted by killnu
I'm timid...:aok
(http://www.donzo.com/AH/timid.GIF)
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Originally posted by Stang
Hah, I like that. Let the mullet hunt begin!
If a guy was to confess that he had hair MUCH longer than you know who. Would that long hair be let of the hunt ?:noid
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I like the ranks! The main reason I lie them, is to look up the roster, see who are ranked the highest, then RUN AWAY from them!
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Originally posted by macleod01
I like the ranks! The main reason I lie them, is to look up the roster, see who are ranked the highest, then RUN AWAY from them!
It's hard to run away from guys who themselves are always running (read rank-potatos).
;)
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Originally posted by Bear69
Well i have to say with the new setup Rankings have becoime meaningless. Milkrunners rule the EW and MW arenas. With 2-4 people from each side online during the daytime all they do is hit strat unopposed all day. Is that what we want a community of milkrunners?
When were they meaningful, and why?
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well look what i started....lol I started this whole thing due to dweebs that go strat in empty arenas for rank in gv, attack and bomber, get an overall high rank, and them being complete emptyheads take control of cv's in main arena and suicide them time after time after time, and noone can stop them. They take all the fun and strategy out of the game. Find a different way to do cv control.
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Originally posted by Bear69
well look what i started....lol I started this whole thing due to dweebs that go strat in empty arenas for rank in gv, attack and bomber, get an overall high rank, and them being complete emptyheads take control of cv's in main arena and suicide them time after time after time, and noone can stop them. They take all the fun and strategy out of the game. Find a different way to do cv control.
Give CV control to the highest rank in fighters only! hee hee:aok
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Originally posted by Bear69
well look what i started....lol I started this whole thing due to dweebs that go strat in empty arenas for rank in gv, attack and bomber, get an overall high rank, and them being complete emptyheads take control of cv's in main arena and suicide them time after time after time, and noone can stop them. They take all the fun and strategy out of the game. Find a different way to do cv control.
This is the only reason I bother with rank. Dumb arses driving CV into SB's, PT spawn points, keeping it straight for bombers and taking Cv other side of field making LVT spawns MUCHfreakinLONGER.
Wanty Cv command get in top 100. So easy to do. Don't need 30,000 hrs play time. Just kill more than you die. Land as much as possible... even if you have 1 an 1/2 wings. Just don't bomb and shoot the crap outta stuff in "Fighter" mode use "Attack".
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Originally posted by Stang
It's hard to run away from guys who themselves are always running (read rank-potatos).
;)
:lol
If you need to run to get a good fighter rank, you really do suck.
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Originally posted by NHawk
planes as you can in one sortie (refuel if you can) without dieing. Land .
People, frigging learn to spell. My property taxes are supposed to be paying for people to get an education.
The occaisonal typo, OK, but you look like such idiots with this -- it's "dying" not "dieing". Just the current example I've seen.
The Word Police
I just had to. LOL
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Originally posted by LYNX
As a guy that likes rank for CV command it astounds me this misconception from guys that think Rank play effects game play. Gotta tell ya guys "YOU ARE WRONG".
OK, I agree that guys getting rank in empty arenas is gamey and prolly done by the lesser known scorers, if at all but, they ain't gonna get "fighter or GV" points. When ever there is a thread concerning rank you'll get lines like (Solar, Flatbar no offence to you, just an example)
I also agree the front page post drives the current rank importance which again drives poor game play..
Get rid of the scores and getting your name in lights for landing 2 or more 'kills' and the fighting in this game would get a heck of a lot better.
What a load of tosh. Have any of you that think rank makes poor game play ever really tried to get in the top 20 ? For those that say rank is meaningless fine but here's what you cannot do if you like or want rank.
Fighter:- You cannot float about for 45 minutes and land 3 kills. You can't be timid. You can't keep getting killed either. You gotta have some skills and landing kills goes along way towards rank, although not absolutely necessary ....depending on amount of kills in least time at the time blah blah blah.
Bombers:- Landing bombers is really a must for bomber rank but then again so is hit% to damage %. Doing 300 sorties (100 really x 3) and getting killed 280 times is just gamey bollocks. They'll be ya low level hanger bangers. Talking of hangers they pay bad for damage sortie. So avacadoting hangers all day long does not help rank or your concepts to "game play". Cities, Factories, Towns and to some extent Cv's pay for your bomber rank + it slows enemy strats.
Getting killed in bombers and missing with bombs is so bad for bomber rank you may as well not have bothered. So none of ya gamey Cv suicider low level hanger banging which is also really bad for game play.
GV:- You gotta get kills you gotta gun factories. Dieing and missing don't help. Camping for 2 hour and landing 10 kills is a waist of time. Like fighter rank you really need to get in there and kill buggers quick and lots of um. I once camped for nearly 3hrs and landed 53. It helped my Gv rank but no where near as much I thought. Factories pay good for hit / damage % + it helps slow enemy strats.
In short if you fly realism.... not dieing, getting kills or meeting mission objectives and then RTB your rank sorts itself out. I would much rather have an arena with 100 more "scorers" than 100 bomber bailers, pork an bailers, Cv suiciders. These are the guys that effect game play. Make game play poor. These are the real misguided idiots followed swiftly by those that think scoring is counter to good game play.
What would you prefer ... a guy that bombs your town from 18k and RTB's or the guy that makes 3 low level trips bailing each sortie so as to repeat ASAP. ?
What would you prefer a guy at 10k calibrated bombing your Cv giving you a chance to turn said Cv. Or the guy that repeatedly dive bombS his B17's onto the deck. ?
If you think rank is meaningless "FINE" but bad for game play...you are so "WRONG".
I agree 100% with everything in this post. Well thoughtout and explained.:aok
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Originally posted by Bear69
well look what i started....lol I started this whole thing due to dweebs that go strat in empty arenas for rank in gv, attack and bomber, get an overall high rank, and them being complete emptyheads take control of cv's in main arena and suicide them time after time after time, and noone can stop them. They take all the fun and strategy out of the game. Find a different way to do cv control.
Why didn't ya say so?
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Originally posted by LYNX
What would you prefer ... a guy that bombs your town from 18k and RTB's or the guy that makes 3 low level trips bailing each sortie so as to repeat ASAP. ?
i will agree that it is lame when people bail IF there is an enemy
nearby. however if nobody is around i can understand why people aren't interested in spending 20 minutes RTB in buffs.
As far as altitude goes, heck as long as they don't bail, come in as low as you want buffs. Thats just 3 easy kills IMO.
Some folk play for rank others don't care. anyone who has been around the game for a little while knows there are several easy things one can do to
ensure they are ranked in the top 10%. For myself i kind of like the ranking
system as it provides some ammusing data to look at when i can't fly.
Does it irratate me that someone who only flys buffs to strat targets
and nevers sees combat in one has a better buff rank than me?
Maybe a little....but some things are more rewarding than rank....
such as getting 1 of your buffs through a swarm of fighters to rid the
town of that pesky tiger which is stopping your guys from capturing the base.
Are your fellow countryman going to notice the buffer hitting factories?
Probably not. Are your fellow countryman going to notice the buffer clearing
the town for the capture? Maybe a little.
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Originally posted by Stang
Hah, I like that. Let the mullet hunt begin!
Lets break down the mullet first,
the two parts that make a mullet as we all know is the saying "business in front, party in the back.
Business in the front: HO's and cherry picks more efficient than a Japanese Hybrid car
Party in the back: Party like NASCAR running and racing away