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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: john9001 on October 28, 2006, 04:32:01 PM

Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: john9001 on October 28, 2006, 04:32:01 PM
jeeps need the option to carry a bazooka.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: handy169 on October 28, 2006, 05:09:09 PM
all i could find where 2 types of models of jeeps .. one that carried a .30 and one a .50 ..
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: frank3 on October 28, 2006, 05:23:03 PM
I would like the jeep version that dropped nukes
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: john9001 on October 28, 2006, 05:38:02 PM
don't nit pick...


jeep now can carry 3 troops, give them a bazooka, dismount them , shoot , remount, run like hell.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: zorstorer on October 28, 2006, 05:39:48 PM
They mounted them on jeeps...

The 75 mm M20 recoilless rifle weighed over 114 pounds and was almost 7 feet long. It was fired from the same tripod used with the M1917A1 .30 machine gun. Its HEAT projectiles were effective against four inches of armor at up to 7000 yards (meters) range, a considerable improvement over the M18 57 mm RR. The M20 was fielded in both the ETO and Pacific Theater during World War II in 1945.


Would be really cool to have recoilless rifles in game.

Fun to stalk a tiger trying to get around him.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: Kweassa on October 29, 2006, 01:55:48 AM
So someone goes through the painstaking process of collecting 50 GV perks to up a Tiger tank. Then, some geek in a 50mph travelling perk-free jeep just zigzags upto the Tiger and blows it away in one shot?

 ..

 Sweet.

 Perk it at 50 points, and then I'll agree.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: handy169 on October 29, 2006, 01:45:15 AM
The M20 recoilless rifle was a U.S. 75 mm calibre recoilless rifle used during the last months of the Second World War and extensively during the Korean War.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: stephen on October 29, 2006, 09:20:20 AM
recoiless rifle sounds about right to me..., as ive seen pictures of jeeps with gustav rifles from Nam, wonder if they had em in the WW2?
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: Jester on October 29, 2006, 09:25:56 AM
Think I would like something with a little more "Punch." Something like the M3 MGC TANK DESTROYER with the 75mm gun. Get in your shot and still be able to run like "HELL" if the need arises.   :D

(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/236/05mm9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8356/119m3tdcrewmedih8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2822/m3halftrackel9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

!  :aok



Quote
Originally posted by Kweassa
So someone goes through the painstaking process of collecting 50 GV perks to up a Tiger tank. Then, some geek in a 50mph travelling perk-free jeep just zigzags upto the Tiger and blows it away in one shot?

 Sweet.

 Perk it at 50 points, and then I'll agree.


If anyone is willing to go up against a "TIGER" in a Jeep or Half-Track they should be able to get them for free IMHO.  :aok
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: handy169 on October 29, 2006, 12:16:44 PM
the thing about upping against any tank is hoping you get him before he gets you.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: Jester on October 29, 2006, 02:07:38 PM
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Originally posted by handy169
the thing about upping against any tank is hoping you get him before he gets you.


That's because you have to think like a "HUNTER" and get him when and where he doesn't expect it or work tactics with several other vehicles to take one out.

I have taken out TIGER's several times with the PANZER IV by working with other guys and using tactics to keep him busy or distracted while one of us moved in and took him out.

If you go in "head to head" with any superior tank in a slugging match you deserve whatever you get.   :rolleyes:

!
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: 1895 on October 29, 2006, 06:53:39 PM
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Originally posted by zorstorer
They mounted them on jeeps...

The 75 mm M20 recoilless rifle weighed over 114 pounds and was almost 7 feet long. It was fired from the same tripod used with the M1917A1 .30 machine gun. Its HEAT projectiles were effective against four inches of armor at up to 7000 yards (meters) range, a considerable improvement over the M18 57 mm RR. The M20 was fielded in both the ETO and Pacific Theater during World War II in 1945.


Would be really cool to have recoilless rifles in game.

Fun to stalk a tiger trying to get around him.



Too bad they were only used in 'Nam
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: zorstorer on October 29, 2006, 07:04:27 PM
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Originally posted by zorstorer
...The M20 was fielded in both the ETO and Pacific Theater during World War II in 1945....



Skip over that part? ;)
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: AquaShrimp on October 29, 2006, 08:20:37 PM
Half-track tank destroyers were utter death traps.  I remember reading about an old German soldier who had to fight the Russians in a half-track tank destroyer.  He said that they always drew the attention and fire of the enemy because they looked like a tank, yet they had very little armor.  A single shell would blow their vehicle up, and many of his comrades were killed trying to engage Russian tanks.  This old German soldier went on to say that it was a faulty design and a faulty philosophy, a deathrap.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: Meatwad on October 29, 2006, 11:10:05 PM
a .50 cal on a jeep will kill a tank, take on to TT and you'll see :rofl
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: SMIDSY on October 29, 2006, 11:10:22 PM
that is because proper tank destroyers have guns with generally longer range than the average battle tank. in the early war, german half-track tank destroyers were mounted with a 37mm gun which was inferior to the 76mm mounted on the T-34, hence the slaughter.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: Kweassa on October 29, 2006, 11:19:20 PM
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If anyone is willing to go up against a "TIGER" in a Jeep or Half-Track they should be able to get them for free IMHO.


 You'll think twice if that guy keeps spawning a free tank-bustin' jeep until he finally kills you.

 He may die 10 times straight and yet, he loses nothing. He just infinitely spawns until one shot gets through and boom, the tank is dead. So the Tiger wins 10 to 1 against a jeep and yet, the Tiger still loses. Loses 50 perks, to be exact, while the infinite spawning guy loses nothing but a little patience and time.

 If you think infinitely-spawning level buff formations dropping 42k payload worth of bombs at 1000 feet altitude to kill one Tiger is lame, wait till you see the tankbuster jeeps.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: 1895 on October 30, 2006, 06:33:12 AM
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Skip over that part? ;)


yes :D
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: Jester on October 30, 2006, 09:19:37 AM
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Originally posted by Kweassa
You'll think twice if that guy keeps spawning a free tank-bustin' jeep until he finally kills you.

 He may die 10 times straight and yet, he loses nothing. He just infinitely spawns until one shot gets through and boom, the tank is dead. So the Tiger wins 10 to 1 against a jeep and yet, the Tiger still loses. Loses 50 perks, to be exact, while the infinite spawning guy loses nothing but a little patience and time.

 If you think infinitely-spawning level buff formations dropping 42k payload worth of bombs at 1000 feet altitude to kill one Tiger is lame, wait till you see the tankbuster jeeps.


Well there Kweassa..........to answer your statements in turn.........

1.  First I don't think there should be a R/R fitted to the Jeep PERIOD. They didn't see enough action in WW2 to make it. I agree with another post on here - that would be more appt for a Korea or Vietnam time period.

2.  With that said - I wouldn't mind seeing a towed 57mm or 75mm anti-tank gun behind a Jeep where the crew would have to stop - unlimber - sight in - and then shoot. When they got in trouble they would have to hook back up and take off before the enemy could range in on them or stand and fight it out.

3.  The Jeep, In my considered opinion, was a waste of time and effort in development. There is really no role for it other than the "NEAT-O" factor. HTC really "Screwed the Pooch" on this one IMHO. The development time would have better gone into a 75mm Tank Destroyer version (my post above) of the M3 HALFTRACK or another armored vehicle that could play with the ones we have now.

4.  Not really worried about "Perkies" that bad. I play for fun.

:aok
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: zorstorer on October 30, 2006, 10:20:51 AM
Ok how about the older and smaller 57mm RR it would still punch a tank but only in the right spot and at the right range.  The 57mm was used through much of WW2, maybe have it hand held instead of on a tripod.
Title: jeeps,anti-tank
Post by: Kev367th on October 30, 2006, 10:55:53 AM
Just add the extra MG's to the Jeep as the SAS used them :) .

Was watching a prog on them.
One of their first 'engagements' was streaking across a German airfield in N. Africa blasting the hell outta German buffs.
Lost 2 jeeps, destroyed 20+ buffs.