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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: VOR on October 29, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
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Students, who were unaware police were conducting a drill, were taken from the classroom into the halls, patted down by officers and asked what they had in their pockets, the newspaper said.
So, they're calling it a "safety drill" these days.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061028/ap_on_re_us/school_drill_2
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If they are only looking for guns the aclu will pretend they don't notice.
If they are looking for drugs or gay porn the aclu will not only fight it but will make it mandatory to pass out drugs and gay porn from now on.
lazs
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Sadly, I think there are plenty of folks on this board who see no problem with this incident. These are the same people who will on one side argue that they are the true patriots, that their party is truly conservative and they oppose big government, but then they'll turn around and rationalize this police drill as necessary for safety. Maybe one or two of them will blame this on the mexicans for good measure.
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And then Lazs will spectacularly miss the point about the real problem being that the police are pulling this crap to begin with.
Edit: Whoops, looks like he already did.
:D
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What wrong was done? Indoctrination is best started at a young age so you will have fewer protests as adults, if one terrorist is caught it is worth it, oh and some of the little criminals might have had scissors, nail clippers or aspirin on em.
shamus
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How do you figure chairboy? I didn't miss the point at all. I think you missed the point about the aclu's agenda and hypocracy tho.
Bet some woman democrat in the near future says that the police are too important to leave to the state level and moves to federalize all police forces in the U.S.
lazs
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hi, i'm officer frendly and i'm here to protect an serve :D
actualy they are just being trained to accept "routine traffic stops" when they grow up.
cop:: sir your tag light is out, can i search your car?
driver:: why?
cop:: SIR ARE YOU HIDING SOMETHING?
:noid
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John9001: If you're criticizing those police, you're an appeaser who's letting the terrorists win.
....to paraphrase you.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
John9001: If you're criticizing those police, you're an appeaser who's letting the terrorists win.
....to paraphrase you.
so your in favor of that, or are you just confused?
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I am the one for second amendment ritghts and against any police wearing masks and against no knock middle of the night raids and the whole militarizing of the police with swat and such.
I am against any random search set up by the police except at the scene of a crime that has just happened.
I am against any federal police except for a small contingent of federal mashals. They would take care of transportation across state lines for instance like aircraft or trains and perhaps trucking.
We do not need the "Famous But Ineffectve" or the "F toop" tax police. We have a dozen alphabet soup federal agencies that suck up money and are ineffective in the extreme. there are lots better ways to spend money.
They had a show called "tales from the FBI" it bombed... there were not enough interesting cases that weren't 20-50 years old to even fill one season.
lazs
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Originally posted by john9001
hi, i'm officer frendly and i'm here to protect an serve :D
actualy they are just being trained to accept "routine traffic stops" when they grow up.
cop:: sir your tag light is out, can i search your car?
driver:: why?
cop:: SIR ARE YOU HIDING SOMETHING?
:noid
They're pulling people over here in Gahanna and Pataskala for "weaving inside of their lane",then checking them out.
Apparently you don't even need probable cause to pull people over in the Columbus area anymore.
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pfft just watch a couple of episodes of COPS and you can see the rampant abuse of powah!!
im always seeing the "sir i pulled you over becouse your tag light is out" excuse.
What like you headlights and spotlight werent effective enough to light up the back of a persons car and READ the license plate?:huh
The they ALWATS gotta do the "mind if i search you car"? :O
Meanwhile while they are performing their search the bigtime drugdealers drive by in their brand new lexus wich has all its lights fully functional due to the fact they just bought it with their drug money.:O
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Sadly, this type of thing is becoming commonplace in schools. There was a case here 2 years ago where a girl was expelled for refusing to participate in a situation very similar to this. No child left behind indeed, more like no child left unindoctrinated. Do schools need closer screening and tougher enforcement? Yes, but this is not the way to do it.
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Sorry for the wall of text. But this true story is too good not to include here
They searched my son in HS once for a BS reason.
One day his HS handbook fell out of either his locker or bookbag. Someone found it. looked at it and turned it in.
The vice principle in turn called him in. then.called his mother and myself into the school to adress some concerns they had
Seems in his HS handbook there was listed the names of the faculty and staff. Some of whom he obviously didnt like as he had arrows drawn to a few names with the word "Nazi"
And cause he colored in the eyes of some of the cartoonlike charactors in it
They were also concerned because he was known to accosiate with a couple kids who were known to make "racist jokes".
I knew this was BS as soon as I heard an overview of it
On walking in we were lead by his guidence counceller to a room with along Table with 1 chair at the head and other chairs lined along the sides.
And we were asked to take a seat and the vice prinicple would be in a few minutes
Now if you ever see this kind of setup. The chair at the head of the tabe is known as "the power position" Its intentionally set up that way for physchological reasons. so that as the people sitting on the sides as to be subserviant to the person sitting at the head of the table.
I recognised this immediately. and never being one to be willing to be subserient to anyone. decided that was the seat I would take.
the Guidence councler looked at me kinda funny and started to stammer something but I broke in saying. This seat will be fine. and she got this "oh chit" look on her face and walked out.
A few min later the Vise principle walked in and went like he was going to sit in the seat I was in till he saw me sitting there arms folded across my chest grinning at him. Then he too got that funny "oh chit" look on his face and sat down in one of the other seats
So he adresses these "concerns" they had about what they found in the book showing them to us.
I was like "and?"
They tried telling me they were concerned he might be involved in some sort of Nazi ism. I looked at the book again. loooked at him and said.
"I dont think you get it. Two of his very best friends are Jewish. another is Black. and another again is Polish. These kids come over my house, eat over my house and even sleep over my house.
the one thing this kid isnt. is racist. Besides. If you look again you will see that He's not claiming to be a Nazi. He is saying YOU are a Nazi".
"And if thats his opinion of you. Well.. thats his opinion of you. You cant legislate individual thought."
Then he went on about the kids he is known to hang out with from time to time.
The kids in question. the Jew and the Black...yea ok
Now Im getting pissed
the he goes on about him cooring in the eyes in the cartoons in the book saying there may be an indication of physchological problems. and they want to test him.
Now Im REALLY getting pissed.
"this whole thing sreeks of Bulls)$(#@ and political correctness"
You called me out of work because he doodled in a book?
YOU have never doodled in a book? And because friends of his tell jokes?
There is nothing wrong with this kid. He hasnt been in trouble for anythign since the first grade when he got in trouble for fighting back against a kid that was picking on him. and he did that at my instruction.
So the meeting ends. What wasnt told to me then and what my son later told me later after he figured out he wasnt in trouble with me for anything other then to tell him to use a bit more common sense in what he doodles where. Was that when they called him in. the searched him went though his pockets and wallet wanting to knwo where he got his money from. and they patted him down.
Now Im furious. Fortunately this was fri night and not monday morning.
so I call up the Vice priciple Monday. a bit calmer then I was on Fri night. And say to him. Was there anything you didnt tell me on friday that happend"
He was like" No, I dont think so"
"did you search my kid, and go through his stuff and his wallet?"
"Well yes we did, we have the right...."
I broke in, "No. You dont seach my kid"
Him "but..."
"No you DONT search my kid without my permission unless he is being arrested for something. and its none of your )$(# buisness what is in his wallet or how he got his money. Am I understood?"
"Yes But..."
"AM I UNDERSTOOD"
"Yes"
I continued. "Yanno I have been giving it some thought over the weekedn about the "Nazi" comments in the book and everything that happendd and I am now inclined to agree with my son that yes, you are indeed Nazi like."
He was like "Well I take offence to that"
to which I told him "Well lets look at it this way. You took him out of his class and called us in because he wrote soemthign you didnt like, altered pictures i a way you didnt like and because of people he accosiated with.
Isnt that what we did in the Mc Carthy Era? Isnt that was the KGB did in Soviet Russia. and isnt that what the Gestapo did in Nazi Germany?"
"Well yes but...."
No butts. I'm done hearing what you have to say.
I am telling you this though. If he actually does something legitimately wrong. then please, by all means call me I'll back you to the hilt BUT
IF you ever do that again again over stupid BS and search him again without notifying me first and he wasnt actually being placed under arrested for something.
I AM going to come down there and in turn search YOU. Because I now view you as a potential threat.
And I am going to do it with all the subtlety of a jackhammer in the process."
"You know I could veiw that as a terroristic threat"
"Buddy, you can view that any way you want. Im just telling you wats going to happen if you pull this kind of BS again.. Best way for you to prevent it. is to not let it happen again. In short. unless he has actually done something. Leave my kid alone."
Neither myself, or my son heard the guy so much as say boo to either of us in the next two years.
I did hear he almost got fired and did receive some sort of diciplinary action against him though the next year for doing alost the same thing to someone else. Problem there was the kids father was a lawyer.
School boards hate lawyers LOL
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Almost similar situation happened to me Dred. One day they decide to bring in drug sniffing dogs to sniff all the lockers. For some odd reason, the dog hones in on mine. They call my name over the PA system to come to the office.
I just happened to be sick that day with a migraine. That's when they decided to search for me around school because I didn't show up to the office. My father and I only learn about it next day.
You may or may not have heard stories about my dad in the past. He could make someone piss out a kidney stone from pure fear. One of my proudest features is that I have inherited his voice and the power to intimidate idiots. Only got to use it once or twice though.
So anyway, the next day my father and I get called into the office. My dad asks me to step out of the office. From outside the door I hear mention of lawsuits, physical violence, handsomehunkes and rectally implanted gourds.
The principal was so scared that I believe those students who did get caught with drugs even got off, just to exonerate my name. The principal then went on to send out an "Apology" letter to the entire school, not mentioning names but claiming that they were retards and it would never happen again. It didn't happen again, at least until I graduated.
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Excellent story, Drelock. I imagine that if folks here like John9001 were in the same situation, he'd thank the principal, take his kid to therapy, maybe put security cameras all over the house so he could keep an eye on his 'troublemaker', all in the name of security.
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I think the teachers should have hidden wall safes in which guns are kept.
I'm not ok with happened in that school.
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Originally posted by lukster
I think the teachers should have hidden wall safes in which guns are kept.
I'm not ok with happened in that school.
Some fo you are acting like this is Bush's fault. Need I remind you that this was a local action and Republicans are NOT in charge everywhere. What politcal party has power in the district where this happened?
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Thread text search initiated. Searching for 'Republican'....
1 result found, message by Lukster.
Thread text search initiated. Searching for 'Bush'....
1 result found, message by Lukster.
errm, where?
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Originally posted by lukster
What politcal party has power in the district where this happened?
Wyoming is a burb with a repub congressman of Grand Rapids, which is the republican stronghold of the state, if I had to guess, I would say republican.
I have lived in a township for over 30 years that has never elected a dem and our schoolboard is full of idiots who think this way, you may be barkin up the wrong tree here lukster :)
shamus
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Shamus, yer wasting your breath, Lukster will mysteriously disappear from this thread if needed to avoid addressing your inconvenient facts. Well, mayhaps I've changed the timeline by calling him out.
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As a conservative (and yes, I do in fact believe in minimal government interferance in my life), I think that any event taking place on the grounds of a public school, of this intensity, size and proportion, need to provide prior warning to the parents and students...If the parents were prior warned, I dont see anything wrong with this drill, because it very well may be a situation the police have to deal with, and if thats the case, parents will ask why? why didnt the police ever train to combat this type of activity in light of recent events in the US?
so in the end, the super intendent of the school system did a poor job...It was his responsibility to notify parents that a law enforcement drill, vital to keeping their children safe, would be taking place on oct such and such...For training purposes, this drill would be very intense, as to simulate a real life scenario. If you or your child does not feel comfortable in participating in this demanding drill, please keep them home from school on this date....
thats all he had 2 say
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Cav I agree with you..up to the point of the pat downs. I dont like to see kids acclimated to this type of treatment, and it is not needed if the sole purpose of this drill is training the officers.
shamus
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I can't think of a scenario that would justify patting every kid down in the first place.
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What about an outbreak of free speech on campus? That might warrant tear gas too.
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The only scenareo I can think of that jusifies the patting down of a kid is if he commited or is suspected of having commited a crime.
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Do you mean an outbreak of free speech as in the kids saying what they think, or the kind of free speech outbreak where a mob collectively stifles an opposing point of view?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
The only scenareo I can think of that jusifies the patting down of a kid is if he commited or is suspected of having commited a crime.
I agree. In that case, pat down that kid. I can't wrap my mind around the idea of lining all the kids up against the wall and searching them.
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Michigan is a blue state. That means most folks vote democrat. I'm wondering which political party the mayor of this town represents. Guess I'll have to look it up myself.
Chairboy, I make my points. Arguing with you is like beating my head against a brick wall and just as pointless. You want to assume you've "won" an argument just because I don't beat the dead horse with you go right ahead.
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Originally posted by Shamus
Wyoming is a burb with a repub congressman of Grand Rapids, which is the republican stronghold of the state, if I had to guess, I would say republican.
Lukster, you might have missed this.
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Originally posted by VOR
I can't think of a scenario that would justify patting every kid down in the first place.
i can: they're all congressional pages(http://forum.explosm.net/images/smilies/rimshot.gif)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Lukster, you might have missed this.
I didn't miss it. Those guys are not the ones that directed this scenario. The governor is a democrat but she didn't order it either. The police chief did. Is he elected or hired by the mayor?
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Lukster, did a bit of googleing and cant find an answer to your question.
I did find where they just hired the chief in may by a 7-0 vote of the city counsel. If the party affiliations of the counsel are important to you let me know, i will make a few calls and find out.
Curious tho, if I find that the repubs are in the majority shall we blame the party for this?
shamus
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Originally posted by lukster
Michigan is a blue state. That means most folks vote democrat. I'm wondering which political party the mayor of this town represents. Guess I'll have to look it up myself.
Chairboy, I make my points. Arguing with you is like beating my head against a brick wall and just as pointless. You want to assume you've "won" an argument just because I don't beat the dead horse with you go right ahead.
Wow what insight there AKIron.
Detroit votes Democratic, and the UAW and Union Members vote Dem. You amazing "Blue State Finder" you now need to turn over the "Capn Crunch Decoder Ring" on this one.
If you ever come up to Grand Rapids/Wyoming, you will see first hand why something like this would ever be put into place. I would NEVER live there, it is crime ridden among other things. Only St. Joseph/Benton Harbor is higher in crime than this region.
Shamus, I agree with you as well, "on up to the pat downs". BUT, we know the area in question. This wasn't the best way to handle it, but truthfully, I'm not shocked that this took place in Wyoming, Mi.
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Originally posted by Debonair
i can: they're all congressional pages(http://forum.explosm.net/images/smilies/rimshot.gif)
*booo* *hiss*
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Originally posted by Shamus
Curious tho, if I find that the repubs are in the majority shall we blame the party for this?
shamus
I'd have to say Dems control this area, BUT, the PARTY is NOT to blame.
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I don't get it, if no one has done anything wrong then whats the problem?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
One of my proudest features is that I have inherited his voice and the power to intimidate idiots. Only got to use it once or twice though.
I've seen the pictures you have posted of yourself here. If you did intimidate anyone, then they were truly idiots.
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Originally posted by Stringer
I've seen the pictures you have posted of yourself here. If you did imtimidate anyone, then they were truly idiots.
Amen.
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Originally posted by Booz
I don't get it, if no one has done anything wrong then whats the problem?
Exactly! If the little criminals haven't done anything wrong then they've got nothing to hide, so why not pat em down?
As long as you let female officers do the pat downs on the girls so you ain't got some dumbocrat perv kiddielover getting his jollies looking for "weapons" I can't see how any honest, patriotic American would have a problem with this. I think there are more terrorist sympathizers on this board than in Saudi Arabia! Disgusting!
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Originally posted by VOR
*booo* *hiss*
zOMG negative feedback on HIWAS:O :O :O :furious :furious :furious :furious :noid :noid
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lukerster, if you are AKIron why the different nic?
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Originally posted by Booz
I don't get it, if no one has done anything wrong then whats the problem?
But someone did do something wrong, the cops and the school administration.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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OMG! Insert DISGUSTED EYE FACE THING.
I thought the constitution was a "living breathing document", to be interpreted according to the context of the environment we live in?
Don't you people GET IT? The terrorists are EVERYWHERE. They are waiting in little Suzy's 6th grade class... They are waiting for you LIBRULS to DEMOLISH any attempt at enforcing safety in the schools, and when you are done undermining our democracy with your terrorist-loving traitor Democrat ways, THEY WILL STRIKE!
Don't you want the US to be victorious in Iraq? I swear, you'd think this was a jihadist message board, looking at all these defeatist Democrat whiny nitpicking posts...
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Originally posted by Sox62
They're pulling people over here in Gahanna and Pataskala for "weaving inside of their lane",then checking them out.
Apparently you don't even need probable cause to pull people over in the Columbus area anymore.
As a musician I find myself driving often late at night. I have been pulled over for having a license plate light that wasn't visible beyond 100 feet (it wasn't burnt out, just not visible to the officer), travelling three miles-per-hour over the speed limit (which I was ticketed for, once he realized I wasn't drunk), and my favorite, and I quote, "crowding the fog line." Each time I was pulled over after two in the morning, and the officer was obviously fishing for a DUI. The look of utter disapointment in their eyes when they realize I just wasted their time is priceless.
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Originally posted by Urchin
OMG! Insert DISGUSTED EYE FACE THING.
I thought the constitution was a "living breathing document", to be interpreted according to the context of the environment we live in?
Don't you people GET IT? The terrorists are EVERYWHERE. They are waiting in little Suzy's 6th grade class... They are waiting for you LIBRULS to DEMOLISH any attempt at enforcing safety in the schools, and when you are done undermining our democracy with your terrorist-loving traitor Democrat ways, THEY WILL STRIKE!
Don't you want the US to be victorious in Iraq? I swear, you'd think this was a jihadist message board, looking at all these defeatist Democrat whiny nitpicking posts...
Even your other post was sarcastic. Beautiful Urch! <>
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is this the one where the cops used broomsticks to perform full cavity searches on preschoolers?
:confused:
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Originally posted by VOR
I can't think of a scenario that would justify patting every kid down in the first place.
Since it was a drill, technically the officers should not have touched anyone unless the parents agreed to let their kid participate.
During a live fire incident.. Gunmen / evidence / accomplices/ unaccounted for requires eveyone be checked for weapons... There's the possibility one of the kids is an armed suspect, or just picked up a gun (evidence) left behind, which happens... besides a coursery search (pat down over the clothing for weapons) is just good officer safety when looking for an armed suspect, keeps from getting shot in the back.
A coursery search of the public is 100% legal during detention, not training. We did these drills, but used volunteer kids who had written permission... otherwise we called it a raid. The HMFIC dropped the ball by not ensuring the school knew it was a drill.
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Originally posted by Stringer
I've seen the pictures you have posted of yourself here. If you did intimidate anyone, then they were truly idiots.
Hardly. Some of the most intimidating people are those you would never even consider twice to be powerful.
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Against this sort of thing 110%!!!!!!!!!!
Who is being trained here? The kids?
Saw someone use the ... so what do you have to fear thing...........
Not the point! What right do they have to do this?
If you let them do this it will only get worse in the future.
A promise was made that law enforcement would NEVER go door to door confiscating firearms.
New Orleans................ And they still have not returned the guns they took. IMHO that is theft! Hope a legal type takes them to court for stealing private property!
(IIRC something very much like that happened in N.J. about 10 years ago).
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Hardly. Some of the most intimidating people are those you would never even consider twice to be powerful.
Nuke's alter ego? I think so.
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Originally posted by Shamus
Lukster, did a bit of googleing and cant find an answer to your question.
I did find where they just hired the chief in may by a 7-0 vote of the city counsel. If the party affiliations of the counsel are important to you let me know, i will make a few calls and find out.
Curious tho, if I find that the repubs are in the majority shall we blame the party for this?
shamus
Let's blame the individuals responsible and no one else. I really don't care if they are Republican or Democrat and I only brought that up because there seems to be an attempt to blame the president's security policies.
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You never did tell us where that attempt was. You were the first person to mention Bush or Republicans, ironically, in a message stating that you thought we were all trying to blame it on them. I think you might have confused this thread for another.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
lukerster, if you are AKIron why the different nic?
I was away from this board for a while, multiple reasons, I was never a png. When I decided to come back my akiron account was inactive. This was my first account and it was not inactive. I used it. Since then Skuzzy enabled my akiron account but since I am not presently flying with the aks I continue to use this one.
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Chairboy, note your use of the word "conservative" and the word "they". Are you saying you aren't blaming this on Republicans? Now, note my use of the word "disingenuous".
Originally posted by Chairboy
Sadly, I think there are plenty of folks on this board who see no problem with this incident. These are the same people who will on one side argue that they are the true patriots, that their party is truly conservative and they oppose big government, but then they'll turn around and rationalize this police drill as necessary for safety. Maybe one or two of them will blame this on the mexicans for good measure.
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I refuse to hit my head against the wall more than once Chairboy. I am saying that you were the first to assign blame to a broad group of people but I won't keep saying it every time you post something contrary.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
A coursery search of the public is 100% legal during detention, not training. We did these drills, but used volunteer kids who had written permission... otherwise we called it a raid. The HMFIC dropped the ball by not ensuring the school knew it was a drill.
Just a bit of clarification here. The HMFIC that dropped the ball happens to be the school itself. The Dept. and Officers were under the impression that the school had notified the parents and students beforehand about the drill. Read the last paragraph of the article.
FWIW the students do not have 4th amendment rights to anything in the school. They are neither owners of, renters of nor tennents of the school. AQs such the only responsible party for the search of the school is the principal or other designated representative of the school. They can and do give permission to search a classroom, locker or any other part of the school at their discression by Police or Fire personnel. This is up to and includes backpacks, purses, fanny packs lunch bags, etc. brought on campus by a student. There is normally a sign at the entrance of the school advising anyone entering campus is giving tacit permission to "search" any container brought on campus by the entrant. A "pat down" search for weapons is also not a "protected" 4th amendment "search" as part of a normal or unusual situation contact with a person by LE personnel.
In a similar situation I was advised that using a locker at the Department locker room, using a desk or any other facility of the Department also meant I was giving "implied concent" to search those items including anything I brought into the building. That was all the way back in 1976.
The same reasoning applied then and does now since I did not have a residential interest in the property any more than I did when I was in Highschool prior to that. I had been told about and saw that searches of lockers in my HS were authorized and conducted by school personnel with LE folks standing by to take any legal action necessary by the result of the search. This was in the late 60's and very early 70's. As you can see, searching the school grounds is not a new thing.
If you want to blame someone about this kind of drill blame the two idiots responsible for the columbine situation and all the "copycats" who continue to do similar things to get the "attention" or "revenge" they desire.
You may now continue your rants against the evil "establishment". Actually this is rather like a blast to the past in the early 70's with the "establishment" putting all the flower children (and kids in general) "down" for a real "bummer", man. "Power to the people", dude!!! :rolleyes:
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Lasersailor and Masherbrum,
Nuke is back as byebye. Thought you'd like to know. Proof is here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190927:p
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Maverick's on this one:
The principal clearly dropped the ball, and is a moron to boot. A "training episode" like this don't work unless people are cued in, and you're training a plan.
Since the principal apparently unilaterally acted for this "drill", and only informed teachers moments before the exercise, nobody got any training. A bunch of students got terrorized.
The ACLU isn't needed here. The principal is gonna get s-canned mighty quick. Hell, even the cops are pissed off at him.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Just a bit of clarification here. The HMFIC that dropped the ball happens to be the school itself. The Dept. and Officers were under the impression that the school had notified the parents and students beforehand about the drill. Read the last paragraph of the article.
I disagree, the school isn't responsible for the officers actions. The police supervisor on scene (HMFIC) should have stopped the exercise upon learning the students were not willing participants, its unethical to pat people down which COULD lead to their arrest while "training".
Its either training or official business, there's no in between... "officially" anyway.
The whole incident wreaks; sloppy planning by the school and poor execution by the PD.
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Minors have watermelon for constitutional rights, other than to be fed, not be beaten, or touched in that 'special' place by Father Mulcahey:t
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Hardly. Some of the most intimidating people are those you would never even consider twice to be powerful.
An architect AND Hulk Hogan.....you go girl!!
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I think it's a big mistake to put the police in an intimidating or adversarial situation against school kids unecessarily.
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering" -Yoda
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Originally posted by bj229r
Minors have watermelon for constitutional rights, other than to be fed, not be beaten, or touched in that 'special' place by Father Mulcahey:t
they even have to fight for their right to paaaa[SIZE=9]a[/SIZE]aaaar-tay
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I graduated in 1990. Not once was there ever an incident involving a handgun or knife. Not once were we led outside the building because of a possible threat on the school. And other than the occasional burnout caught with pot or speed, it was drug-free.
Some of you cats graduated wayyyyy before my time too. Apparently the thought escapes a few here that it's progressively getting more 'ghetto' out there and less Ozzie and Harriet. But if there is a possible gun or drug threat in the same classroom as say, your son or daughter, you're just gonna let em 'talk it out' in therapy? Send Barney Fife in there? I don't think so. Now that I have a daughter, there ain't no way in hell that I'm gonna be against a few informal searches.
If you feel uncomfortable about being more secure, I hear Putin is getting the workforce back together soon.