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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on October 29, 2006, 03:14:11 PM
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If your gonna have the rule, you NEED to enforce it!!!
Jacksonville vs. Philadelphia
Eagles Punter tackles our return man via Horse Collar, now, it wasn't all that bad, and it was a great tackle for a punter, but he clearly used the horse collar tackle, with one hand on the arm and the other inside the shoulder pads.
Could of caused a serious injury, and may have, we'll have to see how our return man feels tomorrow..
He fell straight on his back and was stunned for a few secs.
Anyone else see it? Anyone else have input?
PISSED ME OFF!!
Rules that protect the players are necessary but you GOTTA follow through with at least a fine to this punter.
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If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CUgXlvexkQ&mode=related&search=)
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the NFL babies kickers & QBs cause if they didn't ever team would need to hire a dozen of each at the begining of the season (probably two dozen for playoff bound teams). now that there are more QBs like Vince Young, who could probably play both ways (as a MLB on defense), its time for the kickers to beef up a bit...
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why are football players wearing horse collars?
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Originally posted by Debonair
the NFL babies kickers & QBs cause if they didn't ever team would need to hire a dozen of each at the begining of the season (probably two dozen for playoff bound teams). now that there are more QBs like Vince Young, who could probably play both ways (as a MLB on defense), its time for the kickers to beef up a bit...
The punter MADE the horse collar tackle ON the returning teams return man.
Thus, the punter was not in any danger if he had not made that horse collar tackle...
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& he would have been called for it if he was 6' 4" 260
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Originally posted by Debonair
& he would have been called for it if he was 6' 4" 260
Considering he WAS bigger than our return man, he shoulda been called on it.
You call the penalty regardless!!
No holding calls on guys hands smaller then 8inches across!
# 8 Dirk Johnson
Position: P
Height: 6-0
Weight: 205
vs.
# 32 Maurice Jones-Drew
Position: RB
Height: 5-7
Weight: 212
Not much difference!
Several inches taller, and a few pounds lighter.
I guess we did get a good lick on him, but it was before he did that tackle.
http://www.nfl.com/photos/football_2006_week_8/JAC@PHI
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so NFL refs engage in profiling & you have a 7 line .sig....
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Originally posted by Debonair
so NFL refs engage in profiling & you have a 7 line .sig....
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Considering he WAS bigger than our return man, he shoulda been called on it.
You call the penalty regardless!!
No holding calls on guys hands smaller then 8inches across!
# 8 Dirk Johnson
Position: P
Height: 6-0
Weight: 205
vs.
# 32 Maurice Jones-Drew
Position: RB
Height: 5-7
Weight: 212
Not much difference!
Several inches taller, and a few pounds lighter.
I guess we did get a good lick on him, but it was before he did that tackle.
So the Return Man gets ripped on all game and after because a "Punter" pwned him? I believe the right call was made, so does the Return Man. A Punter....:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Debonair
so NFL refs engage in profiling & you have a 7 line .sig....
:eek:
Mature....
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You need to look no farther than Superbowl 40 and Joey Porter's horse collar tackle that prevented a TD, and the no-call by the refs, to see how rediculous the rule is, since its not enforced.
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How 'bout those Cowboys. :aok
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You need to look no farther than Superbowl 40 and Joey Porter's horse collar tackle that prevented a TD, and the no-call by the refs, to see how rediculous the rule is, since its not enforced.
Umm, Rip? The rule was installed for this season.
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Originally posted by majic
Umm, Rip? The rule was installed for this season.
Ummm, majic? No, try prior to the 2005 season.
The horse-collar tackle is an American football tackle in which a defender grabs the back inside of an opponent's shoulder pads and yanks the ball-carrier downwards, a technique which has been used for decades. The tackle was banned from the NFL during the 2005 offseason.
Following the 2004-2005 season, the NFL's Competition Committee reviewed video of the entire season and concluded that the horse-collar tackle resulted in six serious injuries, most notably to Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens, who suffered a severely sprained ankle and a broken fibula after a horse-collar tackle. On May 23, 2005, NFL owners voted 27-5 to ban the tackle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse-collar_tackle
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Cry me a river on your horse collar, you guys should have been flagged on the "roughing the kicker" since the ball never touched the ground.
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It's like any other penalty in any other league, there only watching certain players. Roy Williams ( Dallas Cowboys Safety ) had the rule basically built just because of his very aggressive tackling, he's basically the only person that gets flagged for it. Same thing with hitting wide recievers when they jump up for a pass, only the top 5 or so defenders will get flagged for that. Same thing when a QB gets hit late, if he's a rookie or a no-named QB then it will have to be pretty bad to get flagged, while on the other hand you can't even touch a QB like Brett Favre or Peyton Manning or they'll eject the player, anybody watch Panthers vs. Tampa Bay, they hit Chris Simms late on every single play, I thought they were gonna kill him. Heck same thing happens in basketball, look at players like Shaq, if you even come close to touching him or a player like Kobe Bryant they call a foul, heck they give Shaq 2 extra steps while in the paint, he travels everytime he gets the ball and nobody calls it. Dewayne Wade gets every call in the world in his favor just because the NBA is trying to make him a " Mike Jordan type". They even admitted it lol Look at the Dallas Mavericks vs. Miami Heat game's last year, the Heat averaged about 7 fouls a game while the Mavericks had around 40 or so per game, that's just rediculous and just another way that a league protects its big money players.... What they need to do is get rid of all the late hit and rouching the passer penalty's in the NFL, those protected players are just another player, they have shoulder pads and a helmet, if you don't wanna get hit, take a knee or get the F off the field, I don't see anyone making a roughing the lineman rule when a QB throws a interception and one of the linebackers just absolutely blasts one of the lineman trying to make a tackle, might as well give the QB a flag and he's down whenever someone pulls it out. The way the league is going in 5 years they will just be playing flag football. The main reason I played and watch the game is for the bonecrunching hits. kinda like nascar, if they took the big wrecks out of it nobody would watch it
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Unlike all the other teams in the league, our punter and kicker both have balls and will hit you hard.
Now, only if our coach, owner and QB had balls... And brains... And talent...
AND THE ABILITY TO NOT ****ING SUCK!!!
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horse tackle rule #1
dont stand behind the horse.
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Originally posted by :furious :cry
...Mature....
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Originally posted by vorticon
horse tackle rule #1
dont stand behind the horse.
Yep.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ummm, majic? No, try prior to the 2005 season.
My bad, I didn't see it called in a Bears game until this year (that I remember).
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American 'football' is a game for whimps.
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Originally posted by Vipermann
Cry me a river on your horse collar, you guys should have been flagged on the "roughing the kicker" since the ball never touched the ground.
It bounced off the ground, how can you say it never touched?
Anyways the punter acted like he was going to throw it before he pulled it back down to punt it away, perfectly legal..
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Watch any replay, the ball never hit the ground, never even came close. The announcers even said that after watching the review.
And he never tried to throw it, he never even had the ball in only one hand. What is he going to shovel pass it 30 yards?
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Originally posted by Vipermann
Watch any replay, the ball never hit the ground, never even came close. The announcers even said that after watching the review.
And he never tried to throw it, he never even had the ball in only one hand. What is he going to shovel pass it 30 yards?
I dunno, my announcers never mentioned anything about neither play, they even thought that we might be penalized on the punt, but agreed with the referees.
Our announcers are un-biased, and tend to favor the truth, not the team.
If I had a source to re-watch it I would, got a link?
I may be totally wrong, pulling from memory.
:aok
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Originally posted by Hawklore
I dunno, my announcers never mentioned anything about neither play, they even thought that we might be penalized on the punt, but agreed with the referees.
Our announcers are un-biased, and tend to favor the truth, not the team.
If I had a source to re-watch it I would, got a link?
I may be totally wrong, pulling from memory.
:aok
I never watched the game and saw the play on ESPN News, Viper is correct.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
American 'football' is a game for whimps.
Not to bite stinky bait, but...when I read this, I am reminded of the bruises up and down my son's arms and legs from this past football season (tackle). 3 kids were put on stretcher boards and carried off the field in various games, one is still recovering in a wheel chair. au contraire, only the kids with big hearts and guts play Amercian football. Most if not all are "alpha males". Never met a "whimp" football kid yet in my life, even when I was a child. They were always the "toughest" of the bunch.