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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Neubob on October 29, 2006, 06:48:34 PM
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Neonationalism (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15462007/site/newsweek/)
Really scary stuff being described here. Xenophobia, nationalism, new movements to curb and even reverse integration. Putin's really working hard to bring power back to the Kremlin. I wonder what this is going to mean to the world in another 1-2 decades. If history serves us, one thing is for sure. A new wave of Russian emmigration.
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good.
there is a good russian delicatessan a few miles from me, but i could use one within an easy walking distance
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I like Russians, nice people. Yes even the mafioso.
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Inside every russian is an american, trying to come home. Plus, once they get their teeth fixed, russian babes are quite fine :D
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Originally posted by Neubob
Neonationalism (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15462007/site/newsweek/)
Really scary stuff being described here. Xenophobia, nationalism, new movements to curb and even reverse integration. Putin's really working hard to bring power back to the Kremlin. I wonder what this is going to mean to the world in another 1-2 decades. If history serves us, one thing is for sure. A new wave of Russian emmigration.
"immigration". I have no problem with anyone in the world that will treat me the way I treat them.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Inside every russian is an american, trying to come home. Plus, once they get their teeth fixed, russian babes are quite fine :D
dont look for pix of the ones from semipalatinsk(http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/maxes/puke.gif)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
"immigration". I have no problem with anyone in the world that will treat me the way I treat them.
Just to clear this up, I said 'emigrate' because all I meant was that they'll be leaving Russia. I have no idea where they will immigrate to, because there are more choices today, especially for people with money. All of Western Europe is a candidate, as is much of the far East, and Australia.
When my family came over from USSR in the early 80s, we were treated well, and are thankful for that. We were dirt poor, though, and not particulary threatening. Some of the people coming over today are a litte richer, with different agendas. They'll be leaving Russia not for social persecution, but because their freedom of enterprise is being curtailed by Putin.
It will be interesting.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Some of the people coming over today are a litte richer, with different agendas. They'll be leaving Russia not for social persecution, but because their freedom of enterprise is being curtailed by Putin.
It will be interesting.
Freedom of enterprise is definetly out of danger.
The article you posted is a 100% typical rant of the people who don't understand anything because they dwell in nightclubs and get their news from "liberal right" loosers.
"anti-Georgian violence sweeping the country" - bull****.
The problem is that the stupid comprador regime hates Russians. Illegal migrants are better workforce then natives: no need for social stuff, no need for reasonable wages. The comedy with Georgia had to develop in severe economical siege and bombings a-la Lybia-1986, but bloody bastards in Kremlin keep feeding our enemies with discounted gas, oil and electricity for 1/5 of the price that Western Europe pays.
Fascism - yes, we get fascism! If Chechens kill Russians in Karelia - it's no problem, but when Russians ask to catch murderers and want Caucsian ethnic gangsout of their town - it's Evil Russian fOscYsm.
Over 50% of crimes in Msk are comitted by illegal immigrants often supported by diasporas. I don't like it. Authorities pretend that there is no such thing as an ethnic crime.
And i absolutely love people who scream of antisemitism now. They probably never turn on their TVs.
Look, I am an inetrnationalist, but when our president says that Russia is not for Russians - I whant him to tell where do he think I should go to. If I don't like "multicultural" newcomers slaughtring their ritual lamb in a sandbox on the playground in my neighbourhood - does it make me a fascist? If someone thinks it does - I'd prefer to be labeled a fascist then to tolerate such things.
I am in Australia now, and i like how Howard adressed immigrants who want to have Shariat laws here. If they don't like elections and independant justice - they are free to leave.
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Originally posted by Boroda
"liberal right"
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Originally posted by Neubob
Just to clear this up, I said 'emigrate' because all I meant was that they'll be leaving Russia. I have no idea where they will immigrate to, because there are more choices today, especially for people with money. All of Western Europe is a candidate, as is much of the far East, and Australia.
When my family came over from USSR in the early 80s, we were treated well, and are thankful for that. We were dirt poor, though, and not particulary threatening. Some of the people coming over today are a litte richer, with different agendas. They'll be leaving Russia not for social persecution, but because their freedom of enterprise is being curtailed by Putin.
It will be interesting.
I understood what you meant Neubob. When you have "emmigration", you in turn have "immigration" due to the population displacement. I feel bad however, that some are forced to leave their "families behind" sometimes because of the fighting, etc.
Also, I'm glad you made the US your home. <>
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Also, I'm glad you made the US your home. <>
It's good to be here, Mash.
<>
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Originally posted by Nilsen
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In Russia everything is slightly distorted and different from the rest of the world (but not as here in Australia where even cars drive on wrong side! ;) I am here for over a month now and still scared in the streets).
Left = Communists and their ever-lazy supporters = conservative.
Right = free-market total theft freaks = liberal.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Freedom of enterprise is definetly out of danger.
That's an interesting statement, Beard, and I'd be impressed if you could back it up with opinions from people who actually practice free enterprise in Russia. Just one bona-fide businessman that you can quote as saying 'My freedom to operate is not under threat by the government' will work.
My family does maintain its ties, and of the people that we know who have taken advantage of the new opportunities, not a single one of them doesn't have a contingency plan in the event that everything they worked for is re-nationalized overnight. They all own homes abroad, they all educate their children abroad, maintain the bulk of their assets outside of the country, and most of them hold duel citizenships, green cards, or the like.
A memorable quote from one of my father's closest friends is 'If the time came, I can be on a plane inside of two hours, and never return.' No, he is not a criminal, even by American law. He has just made provisions. Why are they doing this, Beard? Is it because they are just paranoid, or is it because have something to lose, which they never had before, and they can smell yet another upheaval?
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Originally posted by nirvana
I like Russians, nice people. Yes even the mafioso.
I take it you do not deal with the latter much....
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"In the Soviet Union we have no prostitution. Russian women have trouble giving it away." - Yakov Smirnoff
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Nothing wrong with nationalism in good, healthy doses... We need much more of it here.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Neonationalism (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15462007/site/newsweek/)
Really scary stuff being described here. Xenophobia, nationalism, new movements to curb and even reverse integration. Putin's really working hard to bring power back to the Kremlin. I wonder what this is going to mean to the world in another 1-2 decades. If history serves us, one thing is for sure. A new wave of Russian emmigration.
Assimilation. This is the keyword. It's normal to expect assimilation from immigrants. But they do not want to assimilate. They want to rebuild the whole country and nation to their porposes, moral and mentality. And it's normal, when the main population is angry on that. You can name it as you want. Xenophoby, nationalism or fascism. But really this is only the wish of main country population, to live as they lived for thousands of years before. With our religion, our moral and our mentality.
What will you say if muslims will ask you not to drink beer at noon on Ramadan? I think you'll tell them the heading where to go. We are doing the same. But our "liberasts" (mix of liberal and pederast) are naming it as neonationalism.
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Originally posted by lukster
"In the Soviet Union we have no prostitution. Russian women have trouble giving it away." - Yakov Smirnoff
they may not have any prostitutes in russia because they are all working biscayne boulevard between 71st through 79th streets. the finer ones all have talent agents now.
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Originally posted by storch
they may not have any prostitutes in russia because they are all working biscayne boulevard between 71st through 79th streets. the finer ones all have talent agents now.
Or playing tennis. ;)
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Originally posted by Estel
Assimilation. This is the keyword. It's normal to expect assimilation from immigrants. But they do not want to assimilate. They want to rebuild the whole country and nation to their porposes, moral and mentality. And it's normal, when the main population is angry on that. You can name it as you want. Xenophoby, nationalism or fascism. But really this is only the wish of main country population, to live as they lived for thousands of years before. With our religion, our moral and our mentality.
What will you say if muslims will ask you not to drink beer at noon on Ramadan? I think you'll tell them the heading where to go. We are doing the same. But our "liberasts" (mix of liberal and pederast) are naming it as neonationalism.
Sure, all of those things... Except that this natural, normal response is taking on the classic Russian form. What is a want for cultural assimilation here, has, in the past, grown into purges and pogroms there. Again, the issue is less tolerance, which, itself, breeds fanaticism from those that are marginalized by the intolerance. The result is a downward spiral.
As for Russian babes(the non-working girls), I think they may be the one saving grace of that society, especially now that many of them have the means to take care of themselves.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Nothing wrong with nationalism in good, healthy doses... We need much more of it here.
Yeah, the world could always use more nationalist socialists.
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To hell with all the politics.....
I want Boroda to explain why all them hottie russian women want american husbands.
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Originally posted by Goth
To hell with all the politics.....
I want Boroda to explain why all them hottie russian women want american husbands.
I can speak for Boroda. It's the universal constant, US dollars.
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Originally posted by lukster
Or playing tennis. ;)
not on the boulevard they aren't
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Originally posted by Goth
To hell with all the politics.....
I want Boroda to explain why all them hottie russian women want american husbands.
Many of them are still not so well off, financially-speaking. The prospect of a Green Card, and citizenship is also nothing to be scoffed at. It's not just Americans anymore, though. It's any westerner.
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they aren't:huh :huh :huh well i know they're doing something with balls...:confused: :confused: :eek: :eek: :eek: :p
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Originally posted by Goth
To hell with all the politics.....
I want Boroda to explain why all them hottie russian women want american husbands.
Green Card (aka: Permanent Residence Card)
(http://www.path2usa.com/immigration/resources/sample/gc_image.jpg)
To some people it's like winning a lottery when you get a green card.
In the US you can go anywhere (in terms of jobs) with this card.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Illegal migrants are better workforce then natives: no need for social stuff, no need for reasonable wages.
Over 50% of crimes in Msk are comitted by illegal immigrants often supported by diasporas. I don't like it. Authorities pretend that there is no such thing as an ethnic crime.
What illegal migrants? Isn't Russia one big soup of different people with a different racial/cultural background?
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To Neubob about "free enterprising":
Businessmen that i'll name as examples are Abramovich, Vekselberg and other crooks.
I am aware of the escape-plans of our current "elite" and i wish them to get out ASAP. Usually this fear of "nationalisation" is nothing more then an attempt to find a reason for a planned retreat. How you see this nationalisation? Bolsheviks come again wearing leather jackets and dusty helmets with their mausers?
Your next argument will probably be the fate of poor Hodorkovskiy, so i answer in advance: a thief must be in prison. Gleb Egorovich was right, while the Age of mercy didn't come, we have plenty of coca-cola and chewing gum instead.
Now seriously: small enterprises have problems mostly not because of some evil govt trying to nationalise them, but because the whole system is so rotten that minor govt employees, militia, controling authorities and other parasites use all possible ways to extort money. In 1996 RF had 2 times more govt employees then the USSR in 1990 including Party staff. Now it's much worse.
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Originally posted by Boroda
To Neubob about "free enterprising":
Businessmen that i'll name as examples are Abramovich, Vekselberg and other crooks.
I am aware of the escape-plans of our current "elite" and i wish them to get out ASAP. Usually this fear of "nationalisation" is nothing more then an attempt to find a reason for a planned retreat. How you see this nationalisation? Bolsheviks come again wearing leather jackets and dusty helmets with their mausers?
Your next argument will probably be the fate of poor Hodorkovskiy, so i answer in advance: a thief must be in prison. Gleb Egorovich was right, while the Age of mercy didn't come, we have plenty of coca-cola and chewing gum instead.
Now seriously: small enterprises have problems mostly not because of some evil govt trying to nationalise them, but because the whole system is so rotten that minor govt employees, militia, controling authorities and other parasites use all possible ways to extort money. In 1996 RF had 2 times more govt employees then the USSR in 1990 including Party staff. Now it's much worse.
Actually Beard, I was thinking of mentioning Khodorkovski, but decided not to. He is too big, and generally not characteristic of anything resembling your average private businessman. I also specifically mentioned 'non-crooks'.
I think the last paragraph of your post illustrates my point pretty well. Specifically, the part about minor govt. employees, militia, controlling authorities and these other parasites. These problem, while ongoing and annoying, will tend to require larger government intervention. The threat that these small entrepreneurs feel breathing down their necks is the very same remedy which will be aimed at curbing your 'parasites'. That is why anyone with means, and with brains, is making preparations, however passive, to get up and get out of dodge with the s hits the fan. I am not speaking in theory, Pavel, I am speaking after having observed this very distinct pattern of behavior.
Examples that I've personally seen are numerous. And without going into too much detail, I will say that I do not know of a single well-to-do Russian business man or woman who has put all their eggs in that basket.
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Boroda post some pics of cute russian babes :D
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none from semey plz