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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on October 30, 2006, 07:46:07 AM
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:mad:
Turn up the volume and you can actually hear his subliminal message near the end of the 30 second ad. Unbelieveable...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7TPDVFZWSk
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BASTAGE!!!!!
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Whys a big white skeleton pop up at the end?
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Whys a big white skeleton pop up at the end?
probably Bush's fault.
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Do you know anybody with Parkinson's disease?
If so, would you like a cure?
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Originally posted by Angus
If so, would you like a cure?
If I did, what would be the cure?
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death cures all diseases. death is necessary otherwise the interstates would become far too crowded. I'm not an advocate of death but I sure don't like traffic jams.
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While we're at it, anyone got any links making fun of Steven Hawkings' disability? There's just nothing funnier than degenerative neurological diseases.
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Originally posted by Angus
Do you know anybody with Parkinson's disease?
If so, would you like a cure?
Yes
Yes
I still agree with Rush saying that MJF is using his illness to elect a Democrat and that Republicans have every right to respond.
I like MJF and I don't blame him for doing what he is doing but no one should be upset if the Repubs want to fight back.
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I don't think there is a person out there who doesn't want to find a cure for this terrible disease...The difference is, the way we go about finding that cure...Many of us believe there are alternatives to testing with embryonic stem cell's....
Strange enough, I actually support abortion, but i'm against experiments with unborn life......
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Originally posted by myelo
While we're at it, anyone got any links making fun of Steven Hawkings' disability? There's just nothing funnier than degenerative neurological diseases.
Dunno, but Hawking is now on the CO2 causes global warming bandwagon..makes him a tree hugging lib...
I'll start...the only reason that Hawking uses a computer to talk is that he's too lazy to move his lips.
shamus
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Originally posted by Mightytboy
Yes
Yes
I still agree with Rush saying that MJF is using his illness to elect a Democrat and that Republicans have every right to respond.
Was Rush hopped up on Oxy or other illegally prescribed drugs when he made this comment?
ack-ack
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Ya know, "turn the volume up" and "at the end" are always dead (pun intended) giveaways. ;)
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There has always been fanaticals trying to hold back the progress of science (and mankind). Remember what was done to the people who claimed the sun was the center of the universe?
The absolute best stem cells come from embryos. The other types are not as good, they can't differentiate as well.
What is our goal here, to save every single fetus? No, our goal is to improve the quality of life for Americans. 50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions. These so called babies are really nothing more than a glob of cells at the time.
The hypocracy here is that the same people who want to save every single fetus are the same ones who dont want to provide healthcare, don't want to provide education, and have the 'pull yourself up by your bootstrap' mentality. Quality, not quantity.
So, in review, you leave the thinking to us, and we'll leave the beer drinking and church tithing to you.
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The sun is at the center of the universe.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/hubble/tools/center.html
I suppose you have no qualms with the experimentation done in the name of science by the nazis Aquashrimp?
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if it is legal to kill children in the womb simply because they are unwanted, then we should be able to use embryos for stem cell research. This is, as our wonderful leader Dick Cheney likes to say, a "no brainer".
Vote Yes to place supporters of stem cell research into congress, the courts, and the white house.
PS: Michael J. Fox has always been a thoughtful, honest and respectful person.
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Of course it is perfectly legal in the US to conduct stem cell research, just not at taxpayer expense.
I'm talking about extended research of course. Some is being conducted on approved lines.
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Whoa, ethics play a huge part in science. But a glob of cells is not a human. I'm being realistic here. If an early stage embryo can contribute to improving the quality of life here in America, I think we should follow through with it.
Its the hang-ups of christian conservatives who believe that a blastula is equivalent to a person who are delaying progress. Yet they don't have much of a problem sending our sons and daughters into battle.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Whoa, ethics play a huge part in science. But a glob of cells is not a human. I'm being realistic here. If an early stage embryo can contribute to improving the quality of life here in America, I think we should follow through with it.
Its the hang-ups of christian conservatives who believe that a blastula is equivalent to a person who are delaying progress. Yet they don't have much of a problem sending our sons and daughters into battle.
I don't think the nazis considered the jews to be human either. Abortions are legal but I sure don't want any of my tax money paying for them nor should science be advanced by the killing of babies imo.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
There has always been fanaticals trying to hold back the progress of science (and mankind). Remember what was done to the people who claimed the sun was the center of the universe?
The absolute best stem cells come from embryos. The other types are not as good, they can't differentiate as well.
What is our goal here, to save every single fetus? No, our goal is to improve the quality of life for Americans. 50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions. These so called babies are really nothing more than a glob of cells at the time.
The hypocracy here is that the same people who want to save every single fetus are the same ones who dont want to provide healthcare, don't want to provide education, and have the 'pull yourself up by your bootstrap' mentality. Quality, not quantity.
So, in review, you leave the thinking to us, and we'll leave the beer drinking and church tithing to you.
The" quality of life for Americans. 50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions."
While I find 50% incredibly high, only 10% shout out : It's okay to kill me when I have become more than jelly while it's not okay to use the jelly.
And...secondly...it's not all Americans. There is a whole globe out there, and while Americans may decide NOT to open up for the cure for Parkinson's disease, other nations might. So what to do? Yes, M.J.Fox goes to France ;)
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Anyone have thoughts on Rush's accusations that MJF was faking or exaggerating his symptoms? That was the real news issue recently related to MJF+Rush.
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With all due respect Chairboy, Rush already apologized, makes it a non issue in my book.
shamus
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joe six pack and the average soccer mom are mislead in thinking voting for a "jelly" minded dem will result in all cures instantly ... financial and medical.
all the stem cell research would be is another justification for those currently using abortion as it is most widely used today, as birth control
to use MJF in these ads is the equivalent of pulling a hideously burn victim or two out of the WTC and toss them into some national security ad for the republicans...
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Originally posted by Shamus
With all due respect Chairboy, Rush already apologized, makes it a non issue in my book.
If he did, then never mind! I hadn't seen that, good to hear.
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Originally posted by Eagler
to use MJF in these ads is the equivalent of pulling a hideously burn victim or two out of the WTC and toss them into some national security ad for the republicans...
You bet ya!! its a good thing that neither of the political parties has used the above tragedy to further an agenda. :rofl
shamus
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If you haven't seen the movie "thank you for smoking"... you should stop reading, rent it and watch it.
The Democrats don't want to find a cure for MJF. They need him just the way he is.
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embryonic stem cell research will not cure MJF's disease, but it will elect democrats, and that's the bottom line.
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Originally posted by john9001
embryonic stem cell research will not cure MJF's disease, but it will elect democrats, and that's the bottom line.
Yep, same with parading military funeral pictures within your newspaper (like the New York Times is today)
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It's funny, workers want too much money, because chinese work for 3 cents an hour and we have to make less so our companies won't go over seas. I wonder what will happen when chinese companies start their stem cell research and corporations over here need to keep up with the chinese.
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While I have just as much sympathy for the ill and handicapped as the next person I have to ask the question, "Should their motives be exempt from scrutiny and criticism?"
There have been two films of Michael J. Fox aired recently on the news in relation to his stumping for a Democratic candidate in Missouri who favors stem cell research: The first shows him preparing to testify before Congress, showing hardly a wiggle or tremor from his disease; the second shows him in full campaign mode trembling and jerking violently.
So, which is the real Michael J. Fox? Probably both. In the second film he had quite obviously deliberately neglected to take his medicine for a couple of days to exaggerate the effects of his condition.
If he is as well versed in stem cell research as he purports to be, Fox knows that stem cell research receives a considerable amount of funding from private sources....and that the research in embryonic stem cells has yet to produce a single cure for a disease of any kind.
Plugging for democrats who favor such research as opposed to Republicans who do not will have no effect whatsoever on the production of viable results in that research. Adult stem cell research has produced far better results and is free of the ethical questions so intertwined with embryonic stem cell research.
I feel sorry for Fox and sincerely hope that a cure is found for his disease. However, I'm convinced that his pleas and campaigning statements are self-serving and totally oblivious to the ethical and moral questions raised by the type of research he so vociferously favors.
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Originally posted by lukster
Of course it is perfectly legal in the US to conduct stem cell research, just not at taxpayer expense.
I'm talking about extended research of course. Some is being conducted on approved lines.
You notice how he doesn't respond to your point? He just makes this an attack against conservatives.
again most don't realize
Most of the bans that have been put forth doesn't ban the act itself (stem cell research/abortions) it just bans the federal govt from paying for it.
The next response is likely to be some stupid remark about the price tag for the war in Iraq.....such predictable people liberals are
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
There has always been fanaticals trying to hold back the progress of science (and mankind). Remember what was done to the people who claimed the sun was the center of the universe?
The absolute best stem cells come from embryos. The other types are not as good, they can't differentiate as well.
What is our goal here, to save every single fetus? No, our goal is to improve the quality of life for Americans. 50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions. These so called babies are really nothing more than a glob of cells at the time.
The hypocracy here is that the same people who want to save every single fetus are the same ones who dont want to provide healthcare, don't want to provide education, and have the 'pull yourself up by your bootstrap' mentality. Quality, not quantity.
So, in review, you leave the thinking to us, and we'll leave the beer drinking and church tithing to you.
Absolutely the stupidest thing I've seen in a while. (pardon if this a joke) There isn't a SINGLE instance of embryonic stem cells even being INJECTED into a human being-- as they cause 'tumoring' in rats, (among other nasty things) and they die quickly. On the other hand, there are over SIXTY ongoing clinical trials with ADULT stem cells, which are actually HELPING people. Embryonic stem cell research, as has been mentioned, isn't illegal, it's merely that tax payer dollars aren't going to be spent experimenting on dead fetuses--- in a country where the Ten Commandments can't be on the wall in a courtroom, you cannot expect pro-life Christians to help fund it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-smith042302.asp
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Keep reading the propaganda. Here is what the University of Wisconsin has to say about adult vs. embryonic stem cells:
How might embryonic stem cells be used to treat disease?
The ability to grow human tissue of all kinds opens the door to treating a range of cell-based diseases and to growing medically important tissues that can be used for transplantation purposes. For example, diseases like juvenile onset diabetes mellitus and Parkinson's disease occur because of defects in one of just a few cells types. Replacing faulty cells with healthy ones offers hope of lifelong treatment. Similarly, failing hearts and other organs, in theory, could be shored up by injecting healthy cells to replace damaged or diseased cells.
Why not derive stem cells from adults?
There are several approaches now in human clinical trials that utilize mature stem cells (such as blood-forming cells, neuron-forming cells and cartilage-forming cells). However, because adult cells are already specialized, their potential to regenerate damaged tissue is very limited: skin cells will only become skin and cartilage cells will only become cartilage. Adults do not have stem cells in many vital organs, so when those tissues are damaged, scar tissue develops. Only embryonic stem cells, which have the capacity to become any kind of human tissue, have the potential to repair vital organs.
Again, the attempt for embryonic stem cell research funding is for embryos that are being tossed in the garbage. All of you lining up against this need to be petitioning your congressmen to outlaw the in vitrio fertilization clinics, or demanding your local prosecutor to prosecute them for murder. Don't forget, life begins at conception and ends at birth. We are back to the imprisonment of Galileo here. If this administration and its supporters don't like the science, they replace it with wishful thinking.
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We cant allow infants to be kidnapped and sold to mad labratories to have their brains used for research. Its just wrong. :confused:
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Originally posted by dhaus
Keep reading the propaganda. Here is what the University of Wisconsin has to say about adult vs. embryonic stem cells:
opens the door...
offers hope...
in theory...
potential...
have the potential...
attempt...
and then the political message
If this administration and its supporters don't like the science, they replace it with wishful thinking.
Hmmmmm
sounds like the person that wrote this doesnt proof read because he is contradicting himself. Sounds like until it is all a proven science it is all just wishfull thinking.
But then again the author ingores completely the fact that no one has banned stem cell research. Not one bit, but lets not use facts to muddy up the issue when we can use it politically to take a swipe at the great satin himself.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I wonder what will happen when chinese companies start their stem cell research and corporations over here need to keep up with the chinese.
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Whoa, ethics play a huge part in science. But a glob of cells is not a human. I'm being realistic here. If an early stage embryo can contribute to improving the quality of life here in America, I think we should follow through with it.
Its the hang-ups of christian conservatives who believe that a blastula is equivalent to a person who are delaying progress. Yet they don't have much of a problem sending our sons and daughters into battle.
" The Left is so transparent: Nobody ever heard of this incredibly important research on human embryos until ten minutes ago. Yet everyone makes believe he's known about the undiscovered bounty in human embryos forever, and talks about it with real moral indignation. This whole debate is a hoax designed to trick Americans into yielding ground on human experimentation."
The left wants to experiement on fetus crops like Dr. Josef Mengele experimented on jews but this time its for "real" medical research and its ok...
Farming liberal sluts for early stage embryo's could be the next clintonesque era type boom in medical research.
If we dont farm young liberal womens unwanted fetus's then china might do it then ohhh gosh we might loose our medical technolgical advantage....
The idea that on any given one night tryst any liberal bimbo can just call up the local embryo farm and just take care of the little Glob of cells for humanities sake in a few minutes, and in the next couple of days be right back out there without missing a beat producing more crop for science! yeah team!!
How about an exit strategy for the liberal court ordered war on babies thats been being waged since Roe-vs- wade...10 million aborted babies...
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<--------- Survived Roe V. Wade...
Thanks mom and dad!!!!!!!!!
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I am afraid mjf falls into the dem camp of smoke and mirrors along with cindy sheehan, foley and his emails, orielly and letterman, etc.. anything other than actually stating a plan if they are elected. Winning through smear tactics .. sad really. We should be in for another surprise or two from the dems btwn now and Sunday ...
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If the government doesn't want to pay for stem cell research, that's ok (we've got some more pressing issues right now IMO).
The question is - why doesn't the government want to pay for stem cell research?
If it's because of finances, priority, or the like - no problem.
If it's because of "morals" or religion or such, well, that's another story... (I'd say "unconstitutional.")
Still, even if the gov't does want to rule based on religious values and thereby mirror the Middle East more and more each year, that's fine, so long as they continue to let scientists figure out stuff on their own dime. Which, they seem to be doing? So what's the big issue? Enlighten me.
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Originally posted by T0J0
How about an exit strategy for the liberal court ordered war on babies thats been being waged since Roe-vs- wade...10 million aborted babies...
You're right. Abortions never happened before Roe v. Wade and the world was a better place.
The pictures I could post if they wouldn't get me perma-banned.
"The War on Babies" is the best solution to a crummy situation.
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Originally posted by Vudak
So what's the big issue? Enlighten me.
11/06/2006 <- that's it in a nutshell
the dems are spewing whatever the polls state today will get them votes next Monday
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Originally posted by Eagler
11/06/2006 <- that's it in a nutshell
the dems are spewing whatever the polls state today will get them votes next Monday
True. But this isn't exactly a democrat-exclusive tactic.
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true
but it is as far as stem cell research goes .. thus the mjf ads
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LOL Ive been hit with so many of these things in the last week I dont even blink at em anymore
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the US govt is funding stem cell research , the US govt is NOT funding EMBRYOINC stem cell research . please try to keep it straight.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
There have been two films of Michael J. Fox aired recently on the news in relation to his stumping for a Democratic candidate in Missouri who favors stem cell research: The first shows him preparing to testify before Congress, showing hardly a wiggle or tremor from his disease; the second shows him in full campaign mode trembling and jerking violently.
So, which is the real Michael J. Fox? Probably both. In the second film he had quite obviously deliberately neglected to take his medicine for a couple of days to exaggerate the effects of his condition.
No. The abnormal movement (dyskinesia) is caused by the medication. With PD, a group of dopamine-producing cells in the brain die. This causes slow movement, rigidity, and tremor -- think Muhammad Ali. Treatment with drugs that increase dopamine initially help relieve these symptoms.
But with time, as more of the brain cells die, you need a higher and higher dose of medication to control the symptoms. And with higher doses come the side effects -- excess movement. With advanced disease, there is a very narrow dose window between not enough drug -- inability to move and too much drug --excess, abnormal movement.
Fox's abnormal movements are not from stopping his drug, it's from his blood level of the drug peaking too high -- peak dose dyskinesia. Although this appears obviously abnormal to viewers, most patients prefer this to their "off time" when they can hardly move or speak. For Fox to give an interview he has to take enough medication to be able to talk.
When he testified in congress 6 years ago, it was easier to control his signs with drugs. His disease has progressed a lot since then and he will eventually get to the point that drug will be ineffective at controlling the signs. He will become unable to maintain an upright posture, might develop dementia, and will die of some complication, such as pneumonia from inability to swallow normally.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions.
How about some facts to back that up....
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Originally posted by Vudak
You're right. Abortions never happened before Roe v. Wade and the world was a better place.
The pictures I could post if they wouldn't get me perma-banned.
"The War on Babies" is the best solution to a crummy situation.
Easiest solution you mean, education is too difficult.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
How about some facts to back that up....
"Spontaneous abortions, generally referred to as miscarriages, occur when an embryo or fetus is lost due to natural causes before the 20th week of development. Spontaneous abortions after the 20th week are generally considered to be preterm deliveries. Most miscarriages occur very early in a pregnancy. Between 10% and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, depending upon the age and health of the pregnant woman.[10]"
This article lists 10-50%, though I've always heard 50% as the general rule.
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Originally posted by john9001
the US govt is funding stem cell research , the US govt is NOT funding EMBRYOINC stem cell research . please try to keep it straight.
First, the current adminstration, under GW Bush, is the FIRST to fund embryonic stem cell research with federal dollars, with the only major stipulation being that the stem cells come from already existing lines. In other words, no new embryos can be used in federally funded research. Second, there are no federal laws preventing stem cell research on new cell lines...they just don't qualify for the federal funding. This is done on moral grounds, reflecting the will of the people (that is what our government is supposed to do, and there's no constitutional question involved). Thirdly, there is not a single clinical trial using embryonic stem cells currently underway, not because of a lack of money (US companies and research institutes have spent something on the order of 600 million on it so far, about three times what Great Britain spent during the same time period), but because none of the "promise" has panned out. Adult and cord-blood stem cells treatments, on the other hand, have had dozens of clinical trials, with real people being treated with successful results. Finally, MJF by his own admission did not read the Missouri proposal to change their state constitution backed by his candidate (the reason for his support of said candidate), and was unaware that the proposal also allows human cloning AND would make it illegal (i.e. unconstitutional) to create any laws that would limit any of these activities allowed in the proposal. So yes, MJF is a tool.
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Originally posted by john9001
embryonic stem cell research will not cure MJF's disease
How do you know this? Are you a medical researcher?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Sabre
First, the current adminstration, under GW Bush, is the FIRST to fund embryonic stem cell research with federal dollars, with the only major stipulation being that the stem cells come from already existing lines. In other words, no new embryos can be used in federally funded research. Second, there are no federal laws preventing stem cell research on new cell lines...they just don't qualify for the federal funding. This is done on moral grounds, reflecting the will of the people (that is what our government is supposed to do, and there's no constitutional question involved). Thirdly, there is not a single clinical trial using embryonic stem cells currently underway, not because of a lack of money (US companies and research institutes have spent something on the order of 600 million on it so far, about three times what Great Britain spent during the same time period), but because none of the "promise" has panned out. Adult and cord-blood stem cells treatments, on the other hand, have had dozens of clinical trials, with real people being treated with successful results. Finally, MJF by his own admission did not read the Missouri proposal to change their state constitution backed by his candidate (the reason for his support of said candidate), and was unaware that the proposal also allows human cloning AND would make it illegal (i.e. unconstitutional) to create any laws that would limit any of these activities allowed in the proposal. So yes, MJF is a tool.
LIES LIES LIES
George Bush hates science.
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Originally posted by Eagler
true
but it is as far as stem cell research goes .. thus the mjf ads
you do know that he also campaigns for Republicans, right?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by T0J0
Easiest solution you mean, education is too difficult.
I don't mean offense by this... But I think you may be in need of an education regarding pre-legalized abortions in the USA...
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
you do know that he also campaigns for Republicans, right?
ack-ack
sen john kerry is not a republican.
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Originally posted by Sabre
they just don't qualify for the federal funding. This is done on moral grounds, reflecting the will of the people (that is what our government is supposed to do, and there's no constitutional question involved).
BZZZT...Wrong.
Both the House and Senate approved the legislation....THAT was the will of the people....GWB Vetoed the Bill, which went AGAINST the WILL of the people, according to how the people's elected body voted.
Soooo....the will of the people as expressed through their direct representatives voted FOR the legislation.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
How do you know this? Are you a medical researcher?
ack-ack
THIS lady is:
http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/interrogatory022601a.shtml
Some accompishments of adult stem cells:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/bioethics/facts/a0035420.cfm
Tangible Therapies for Today
Acute Myloid Leukemia – Sixteen-year-old Nathan Salley is alive today, thanks to stem cells from umbilical cord blood. Nathan told a congressional subcommittee, "I am living proof that there are promising and useful alternatives to embryonic stem cell research. . . . Embryonic stem cell research did not save me – cord blood research did."2
Diabetes – Eleven out of 15 Type 1 diabetes patients are "completely off insulin" after receiving adult pancreatic cell transplants.3
Diabetes – Researchers at Harvard Medical School used animal adult stem cells to grow new islet cells to combat diabetes. Researcher Denise Faustman recalled, "It was astonishing! We had reversed the disease without the need for transplants." Plans for human trials are underway.4
Heart Disease – German heart specialist Bodo Eckehard Strauer successfully treated a heart patient using stem cells from the man's bone marrow: "Even patients with the most seriously damaged hearts can be treated with their own stem cells instead of waiting and hoping on a transplant," Dr. Strauer explained.5
Heart Disease - "Four out of five seriously sick Brazilian heart-failure patients no longer needed a heart transplant after being treated with their own stem cells." 6
Heart Disease - “Patients with heart failure experienced a marked improvement after being given injections of their own stem cells,” thanks to research at the University of Pittsburgh. 7
Heart Disease - Dr. Eduardo Marban, chief of cardiology at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, called the use of adult stem cells to treat failing hearts, “[t]he single most exciting development in cardiology in the last decade.” 8
Multiple Sclerosis (MS) – Thirty-six-year old Susan Stross is one of more than 20 MS patients whose conditions have remained steady or improved after receiving an adult stem cell transplant. The same results are reported with several hundred patients worldwide.9
Multiple Sclerosis (MS) - Research conducted by Dr. Mark Freedman at the University of Ottawa suggests that most of the 32 MS patients in the trial “experienced clinical stabilization or improvement of symptoms.” 10
Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma – Forty-year-old Mark Fulford was not a match for a conventional bone marrow transplant, so doctors turned to stem cells found in umbilical cord blood. "There are people alive now who wouldn't have been without this, and I'm living proof."11
Paralysis/Spinal Cord Injury - There are nearly 60 documentable cases of quadripelgic and parapelgic patients who have regained some mobility, bladder control, and sensation in their limbs after recieving adult stem cell transplants from cord blood, bone marrow, and nasal tissue. Here are 5 of those success stories:
After sustaining paralyzing spinal cord injuries, Susan Fajt, Laura Dominguez and Erica Nader of the U.S. are each regaining muscle control and walking with the aid of braces due to stem-cell transplants from their own nasal cavities conducted in Portugal. Six paralyzed Russian patients are also walking thanks to a similar therapy. 12
Maria da Graca Pomeceno of Brazil regained her ability to walk and talk after a bone marrow stem-cell transplant from her pelvis. 13
Treatment using stem cells derived from umbilical cord blood allow Hwang Mi-Soon of South Korean to walk again with the aid of a walker. “This is already a miracle for me,” says Mi-Soon. 14
Parkinson’s Disease - A California man with Parkinson's disease experienced more than an 80 percent reduction in his symptoms after he received an injection of his own neuronal (brain) stem cells. Dennis Turner says before the treatment, “I couldn’t put my contact lenses in without a big problem. Now it’s not problem.” 15
Sickle Cell Anemia – In his struggle against sickle cell anemia, seventeen-year old Keone Penn experienced suicidal thoughts before an umbilical cord blood transplant cured him of the disease. Today, Penn says, “Sickle cell is now part of my past…Cord blood saved my life.” 16
Stroke - Catholic University of Korea researchers report “great improvement in the paralysis symptoms and speech disorders” in three of five stroke patients who received transplants with their own bone marrow stem cells. 17
Stroke - Brazilian doctors will test a similar treatment on 15 patients after encouraging results with one stroke patient. 18
Promise for Tomorrow
Reports of "Master Stem Cell" discoveries –
"A stem cell has been found in adults that can turn into every single tissue in the body. It might turn out to be the most important cell ever discovered."19
Researchers at New York University School of Medicine announced, "There is a cell in the bone marrow that can serve as the stem cell for most, if not all, of the organs in the body. . . . This study provides the strongest evidence yet that the adult body harbors stem cells that are as flexible as embryonic stem cells."20
McGill University researchers discover "stem cells deep in the skin of rats and humans that can become fat, muscle or even brain cells. . . . Scientists are driven by the hope of bringing science closer to treatments for spinal cord injuries, juvenile diabetes, heart disease and brain disorders — treatments made from patients' own cells."21
These are stem cells from adult bone marrow that do not trigger rejection, "even after the cells differentiate into specialized tissues such as bone or fat." The "cells seem to go only to damaged areas . . . (turning) into heart muscle, blood vessels, and fibrous tissue." 22
In addition to these studies, ongoing research has demonstrated the flexibility of adult stem cells to change into every cell type of the body. For more information, see What the Media Won't Tell You About Stem Cell Research.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
"Spontaneous abortions, generally referred to as miscarriages, occur when an embryo or fetus is lost due to natural causes before the 20th week of development. Spontaneous abortions after the 20th week are generally considered to be preterm deliveries. Most miscarriages occur very early in a pregnancy. Between 10% and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, depending upon the age and health of the pregnant woman.[10]"
This article lists 10-50%, though I've always heard 50% as the general rule.
Where is the article from?
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Originally posted by Stringer
BZZZT...Wrong.
Both the House and Senate approved the legislation....THAT was the will of the people....GWB Vetoed the Bill, which went AGAINST the WILL of the people, according to how the people's elected body voted.
Soooo....the will of the people as expressed through their direct representatives voted FOR the legislation.
Yes, Stringer, I'm aware of the vetoed legislation. I was refering to the election of the President himself, who ran on a platform that included opposing destruction of new embyos for research. The point I was making was regarding the suggestion that opposing stem embryonic stem cell research on moral or religious grounds somehow ran contrary to the US Constitution. I take it that you agree with the rest of my post then?
Here is my opinion: I believe that in the same way most Americans believe abortions should be avoided if possible (i.e. abortion should not be used for casual birth control), I believe most would not support Federal funding of ESC research if they understood the touted promise is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. As posted above, adult and cord-blood stem cell research is delivering, where ESC is not (and not because of a lack of funding, federal or otherwise). Any exploitation of human life is a step down a road, the destination of which most decent people can't help but find abhorrent.
BJ229r, thanks for the info. I was aware of some of these studies, but not the Type-I diebetes one. My daughter is Type-I diebetic, and on insulin since she was 6 1/2 years old (she's 21 now). This brings real hope to me, not the false hope of ESCR, and does so without requiring the harvesting of human beings.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I don't mean offense by this... But I think you may be in need of an education regarding pre-legalized abortions in the USA...
I heard the stories from the pre legalized era, certain achievements in medicine in the last 50 years make those old school horror stories just that "old school horror stories"
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Originally posted by Vudak
I don't mean offense by this... But I think you may be in need of an education regarding pre-legalized abortions in the USA...
If I'm understanding you correctly my answer is that I think it shouldn't be easy but perhaps should even be dangerous to kill your baby.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
"Spontaneous abortions, generally referred to as miscarriages, occur when an embryo or fetus is lost due to natural causes before the 20th week of development. Spontaneous abortions after the 20th week are generally considered to be preterm deliveries. Most miscarriages occur very early in a pregnancy. Between 10% and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, depending upon the age and health of the pregnant woman.[10]"
This article lists 10-50%, though I've always heard 50% as the general rule.
http://www.obgyn.net/femalepatient/default.asp?page=jauniaux
Fourth paragraph.
VVVVVVVVVVVvgood job reading there, chief.
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10 to 50%, well that narrows it down. :rolleyes:
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I'm too lazy to go back and study the thread. What's the point about miscarriages? We're all going to die, every last one of us. Doesn't mean it's ok to murder.
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Originally posted by lukster
I'm too lazy to go back and study the thread. What's the point about miscarriages? We're all going to die, every last one of us. Doesn't mean it's ok to murder.
Unless it is the death penalty, right? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Horn
Unless it is the death penalty, right? :rolleyes:
I guess you don't understand the difference between murdering the innocent and executing the guilty.
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EARLY-PREGNANCY VIABILITY
The miscarriage of an early pregnancy is the most common medical complication in humans, with 50% of conceptions lost before the end of the first trimester (Table 1).3,4 Moreover, early pregnancy complications currently account for about 75% of emergency gynecologic admissions at the University College, London. Most miscarriages occur within the first month after the last menstrual period,4 so that the patient is often unaware of both the conception and the subsequent spontaneous abortion. The rate of clinical miscarriage increases with maternal age and a positive obstetric history, and decreases with gestational age.4
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stem cell research should be allowed but the government (us) shouldn't be coerced into paying for it.
lazs
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Colbert weighs in: http://gorillamask.net/colbert-limbaugh.shtml
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Originally posted by T0J0
I heard the stories from the pre legalized era, certain achievements in medicine in the last 50 years make those old school horror stories just that "old school horror stories"
Yeah... As long as a woman retains her right to go to a clinic... Take that away and welcome back to the alley!
I mean, unless you've got a sympathetic doctor for a buddy, all those certain achievements in medicine aren't going to do you a whole lot of good if abortion is made illegal.
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Originally posted by lukster
If I'm understanding you correctly my answer is that I think it shouldn't be easy but perhaps should even be dangerous to kill your baby.
Fair enough.
I don't like abortion myself. But the way I see it is this:
If I got my girlfriend pregnant, and she decided to have an abortion, I'd be pretty upset (to say the least), but not nearly as upset as I'd be if she killed herself in the process of trying to self-abort because she couldn't go to a clinic.