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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lasersailor184 on October 30, 2006, 02:40:41 PM
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Hi again!
I'm having trouble researching something. I'm currently researching the ratification of the US Constitution.
What I'm specifically researching is the process in which it was ratified, as well as the ammendments. Even more specifically, I'm trying to find out who specifically in the states voted on the US Constitution.
Was it the state legislatures? If so, at the time, who were they appointed by?
Was it the people who directly voted on the constitution or amendments?
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G.W. himself will try and help you.
Use the google. It will provide many internets of information.
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OH! The internet! I completely forgot about that one!
handsomehunk. I wouldn't be here asking if I could already easily find information on it.
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Google sarcasm.
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Sorry. The sarcasm wasn't apparent at all.
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You must have missed the big story about Mr. Bush and his experiences with google.
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im sure youve already checked this but wikipedia is always a good place to start,
then check a real encyclopedia at a wonderfull place called the library, it has all sorts of books that make much better sources than the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Ratification
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What?! "Mr. 5th year Structural Engineer" wants to start a thread because he's too lazy to look up things on the intardnet?!!
Come awn, this doesn't sound like "One of my proudest features is that I have inherited his voice and the power to intimidate idiots. Only got to use it once or twice though." Lasersailor to me.
You should marry Nuke, talk about a match made in Heaven.
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Well, so far I've looked up and read the constitution of the US, several state constitutions in all of the iterations from the articles of confederation to current times, read several encyclopedia articles, and am about a couple of hours away from calling up my history major friend.
So far I haven't found anything that specifically layed it out.
I've seen the figures for voting on state constitutions, but how to vote on federal constitutions and amendments isn't layed out in those (that I've read).
I've read the constitution, but it doesn't say anything but that two thirds of the states must ratify it. It doesn't say how.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
What?! "Mr. 5th year Structural Engineer" wants to start a thread because he's too lazy to look up things on the intardnet?!!
Come awn, this doesn't sound like "One of my proudest features is that I have inherited his voice and the power to intimidate idiots. Only got to use it once or twice though." Lasersailor to me.
You should marry Nuke, talk about a match made in Heaven.
thats not teh g00d match for sum1 who is smart, good looking, talented & rich:mad: :mad: :mad:
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Start with the Federalist Papers.
shamus
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Ok, History Major Friend came through big.
Did you know that at no time ever, the United States People never voted on an amendment or the actual constitution?
This is what I've gained from reading, if I am wrong, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE call me out on it.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Ok, History Major Friend came through big.
Did you know that at no time ever, the United States People never voted on an amendment or the actual constitution?
This is what I've gained from reading, if I am wrong, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE call me out on it.
representative democracy. what do you expect.
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Heads on Pikes.
I just had this idea that the US was this awesome place where the people made the constitution, then voted in representatives for them.
Boy was I wrong.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Heads on Pikes.
I just had this idea that the US was this awesome place where the people made the constitution, then voted in representatives for them.
Boy was I wrong.
The process is still the same.
shamus
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I have this suspicion that an "iron-clad reason why Lasersailor doesn't have to pay income taxes according to this guy he talked to" is hidden somewhere behind the scenes.
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Originally posted by Shamus
The process is still the same.
(hopefully)
shamus
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Bam, Chairboy nailed it.
I would give him a highfive, but I have a revolution to plan.
Oh, and the information given to me was not from my friend. My friend gave me a website with the info on it.
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This may sound like a silly idea, but your local library will have a ton of books on the subject, and if you ask nicely the old lady behind the counter will probably help you out with finding one with all the answers.
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I'm good now. I found the answer I was looking for.
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Considering that the typical education of the masses then was close to nothing I bet it was for the better that the people did not take part for the most part. But now I think the opposite.
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Irwin Schiff still around? I remember attending a talk that he put on in the 70's about this..then he disappeared for a while :)
shamus
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Fortunately, Yale provides the information you are looking for on their website.
Go here (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/constpap.htm), scroll down and click on the various links for each state as well as the letter from the Secretary of the Congress to each State Governor.
In New York's, Virginia's and Rhode Island's ratifcation: "That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, including the body of the People capable of bearing Arms, is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State;"
In New Hampshire's: "Congress shall never disarm any Citizen unless such as are or have been in Actual Rebellion"
It's interesting that several states specifically mention the right to bear arms in their ratification documents, lending credence to the argument that it was an important right to be respected.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Shamus
Irwin Schiff still around? I remember attending a talk that he put on in the 70's about this..then he disappeared for a while :)
shamus
he's serving time for..... yup you guessed it.
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Widewing, I'm a personal fan of the wording choice for the Pennsylvania "Bill of Rights."
"The right to bear arms, for personal defense or defense of state, shall not be questioned."
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Could to a google search on the very questions you asked using terms like
The process in which the US constitution was ratified (http://www.google.com/search?hs=03a&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&q=the+process+in+which+the+original+US+constitution+was+ratified&btnG=Search)
Or you could use a more basic search of
History of the US Consitution (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=The+History+of+the+US+Constitution&spell=1)
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Since nobody else is giving Lasersailor the opening he's looking for, I'll help out:
Tell us more about this tax loophole you've found, it sounds fascinating!
:D