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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SkyRock on October 31, 2006, 09:56:55 AM
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Hello, gents.
I have been having problems with a thief around the house here for about 5 months. First he hit the unlocked shed in my backyard and got my lawnmower in May. Next he hit my locked building in August and got a 27 inch TV and my grandmother's 40 year old Stella Acoustic. This past Saturday he got into my home. He was unsuccessful at picking my doors as I have been making sure they were secured. He tried but failed. So he kicked through my son's room window. He got seven guitars which included three bases and one electric guitar and one acoustic electric guitar and two acoustics, one of which was my "baby" that I have had for 15 years and have composed over eighty compositions on. He also took a portable DVD players of the kids and ransacked both of my medicine cabinets. The kicker came when I entered the room where I have my computer desk. Yes, it was gone along with everything but my printer/fax. He got the modem and signal amplifier as well. He even took my MS sidewinder 2 and my headset. Luckily one of my neihbors saw him around the house and alerted me to who it was. It was an old student who I taught for two years back when he was in the 7th and 8th grades. I have taught a majority of his cousins and had been very helpful to them giving them free tutoring when they were having problems and never heard anything but thanks from all of them and their families. His grandparents are my next door neihbors and we are all like family on the block. I confronted them and they told me he has been having problems with drugs of late. He is 19 years old. The police and detective questioned him yesterday morning and afterwards he shot up an overdose of drugs and went over to his father's house and hung himself. The father caught him in time to revive him and get a pulse before medics arrived and he is now in a coma at the hospital clinging to life. It has been a relief to finally know who has been burgularizing me and also some anger. Now that has turned to concern over the young man and confusion. I will none the less not be on for awhile as I am without computer so I am asking for any positive/prayers energy that can be sent my way.
Mark
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My thoughts and prayers are with you all.
I hope there is a positive end to this for all of you.
ROX
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Mark what a heartbreaker...will definitely keep you in my prayers...
I own a farm and have things turn up missing more then you would think...even have had gates lifted off the hinges...im sure drugs play into that as well ...meth is really bad near where my farm is...
If you need a little help with getting a new computer etc..send me an email
:aok
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Man ... that story just spiraled downward ... very sad.
Have the police gone to any/all pawn shops in your area ? ... they just might find some of the most recently stolen stuff.
Good luck and hope to see ya back up soon.
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Drugs are not the problem.. the kid took them knowing the possibilities.... only a lawyer would think otherwise, trying to blame everything but the kid... oops adult.
My prayers are with you and your family.. and I hope you recover your stolen goods.
As for the 19 year old.... looks like he'll live to strike again, hopefully no innocents will be killed.
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good luck with the stuff. if the kid recuperates he should be held accountable for his actions.
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Thnx Casino for the prayers. Thnx Falcon for your kindness. Slap, we have but he broke in on Sat night after hours of pwn shops, and all pwn shops are closed on sundays down here, so it looks like he is stashing it somewhere or took it directly to the meth dealer. Which in either case, we've more than likely lost our stuff. He is in a coma and is unable to tell us what he did with it at the moment and his family is devasted. It doesn't seem right for me to even ask about my possession when they might lose their son/grandson. I say, "our stuff" because two of the bases stolen weren't even mine. One was my brothers and the other was my bass players. Luckily he left all the TV's and other electronics, my financial stuff and guns, and he stepped right over a $700 microphone, so it could have been worse.
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Damn, man, what a mess. Hope all turns out well for you. Good luck getting your stuff back. I've seen a lady I worked with suffer a similar problem (her daughter's boyfriend broke in while no one was around and stole and pawned some stuff), but she was fortunate enough to recover all of the stolen items from the pawn shops. May you be as fortunate.
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sorry to hear that bud...hopefully you get your stuff back and the kid pulls thru.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Drugs are not the problem.. the kid took them knowing the possibilities.... only a lawyer would think otherwise, trying to blame everything but the kid... oops adult.
My prayers are with you and your family.. and I hope you recover your stolen goods.
As for the 19 year old.... looks like he'll live to strike again, hopefully no innocents will be killed.
Shuffler, I can't tell you how much I want him punished. So far he is the only one punishing himself but if he lives the law will have its way with him. I did recover my grandmothers Stella so we know it was him. I am the one that called the detective and had him brought in yesterday morning. I am extremely mad at him for disrespecting my home and obviously stealing my CHIT! But I certainly am convinced that the drugs played a major role in his decision to hit my house Saturday night! Mainlining meth is not something that even a strong person can do and still be in hiis right mind. This morning I found myself wanting to kick the everliving watermelon out of him, but in that same thought, I know that his family are waiting by his bedside at the hospital hoping that they even have a son when the day is through. Its a tough position to be in! I have always hated thieves with a passion!
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Maybe things will work out. In my experience some pull their heads out of their ***'s but most were just ***'s who started doing drugs. They did not need the drugs to be what they are. You always hope for the best but sometimes its better for all when darwin strikes. How many people are there in this world for which the world would be far better off without?
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Man, good luck getting your stuff back, I hope you do get it back.
I know how dear musical instruments are. I have a Takamine acoustic and a Strat I built myself, as well as a Yamaha SDGR bass,and I would not part with any of them for ten times what they are worth. I would be out of my mind if they were stolen.
I had a bass rig stolen from our old practice room years ago, I never did find another setup I liked as much as that one. They went through a steel doorframe mounted in a cinderblock wall to get it. Left all the mics though... thieves are kinda stupid like that sometimes.
Anyways, good luck man... I hate it for ya.
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I'm sorry to hear of your troubles Skyrock. I'm involved in a prison ministry and see kids like this all the time. It is heartbreaking indeed. I will pray for you and this young man.
-mark
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Mark, I am truly sorry for this to have happened. It is even more mind boggling over the current hospitalization. Of course, while you want him punished, other thoughts are probably in the picture.
This is absolutely disturbing and without question, shocking.
Hopefully yer in there soon,
Jay "Karaya"
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I wish for better times for you and your family, hopefully something good will come of all this.
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Sorrry to hear skyrock , hope that everything works out alright . If you are in need of some pc stuff i have a bunch of stuff salvaged from machines people have given me when i build them new ones .
Here's some stuff that might be usefull : FX5200 8Xagp , audigy 2 S/c , 7200 rpm hard drive , 1800 amd XP a couple of 1.4 celerons , and some regular cd roms .
I also have a TM fox2 usb thats about as close to a mspp2 as you can get . I know you arent asking for anything , but if i can be of any help , let me know . 38
rukkee@toast.net
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skyrock, truly sorry for the mess that this adult brought about for your family.also for the shame and heartbreak he has dumped on his family.his family and you are in my prayers.
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sky.. I can sympathize.. the only time I have been burglarized it was by my daughters friends and they were using meth and... I had been really good to them in the past and helped them with their cars and that sort of thing.
It does hurt worse when it is people that you have helped and that you thought were your friends or at least... respected you.
lazs
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sheesh, what a deal Rock. I hope you can recover your stuff bud, hang tough
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Skyrock,
Keep an eye out on eBay for your stuff. If it turns up there you should be able to get it back.
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I can sympathize with getting caught up in drugs, as I've been there, but resorting to theft like that is nothing short of pathetic. Hopefully the kid can get himself straightened out... unfortunately, he'll be going to prison, or, if you'd prefer, Crime School. Hate to say it, but his life is pretty much torched :(
Hope you get some of your **** (the more meaningful stuff) back.
~rat
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Skyrock, sorry to hear it. I hope it all turns out for the best for you and yours, and his family.
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Karma is a strange thing.But be rest assured it will always come back around sometime or another.
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prayers are with you skyrock. and prayers for the kid to shake out of the coma and get some help.
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That really sucks bro. I hope everything turns out OK for you, screw him. I had a similar situation a few years back. Some s***heel friend of my brother's broke into our house through MY bedroom window. Stole two AK-47s, an Xbox, PS2, about 50 DVDs, same number of games, and all my CDs. He got 100 in cash from my brother and my mother's credit cards. The only reason we caught was because he used the CCs at a store where he used to work.
Long story short, I wanted to get my things back. I knew that day who did it. I had a couple good ole boys with me and we were going to go track him down and get it... only my mother made me promise against it... so I did. He ended up getting 18 months of probation. Which he violated. And got an added 18 months. He has to pay restitution... ain't seen a penny yet. And I have his address (ain't the DOC a great thing? :D )
Found out in the end that he pawned 2 AK-47s (one a Chinese knockoff, the other a Maadi that the insurance company gave me $782 for) for an ounce of weed.
I'm not as forgiving as you, Skyrock. His karma will be to see me one of these days when I am not feeling in the best of moods.
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when he wakes up, knock him out.
i'm sorry to be harsh but i hate thieves with a passion. i also hate liars, and i aint too warm and fuzzy bout smack heads.
ive been addicted to drugs in my life, but i never once stole or abused anyone for my hit. i worked for my money and chose to throw my life away. I'm just happy i never moved onto harder drugs before i realised what i was doing and fully recovered, and never felt the need to get drugs at any cost.
thoughts with you and yours rock.
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I know the feeling of being burglarized multiple times Sky, not as much sentimental stuff that you lost but the feeling is disgusting, filthy. My best wishes to you and your family.
I also know about kids who go bad, my step brother just recently got out of prison, he's been in and out since he was 16.
Once again, my best wishes.
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An absolute shame to all parties involved, hope something positive comes from the whole ordeal:(
I wish you and the young lad the best.
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stay on the pawn shops ... Ask the police to get off there arse and go thru all the phone numbers ... even your own phone may have a number to his Dealers house .. 99% of the time . those types go there 1st w/ the stuff ..
Stay on your local detective ... they probely already know the house were your stuff got fenced at ..
IMO the kid got what he had coming ... its to bad its self inflicted (sorry guys but I Hate Thieves )
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sorry Mark... :cry &:furious
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Wow dude that is terrible. Being a musician myself i'd be so mad if some twit like that stole my guitars. Best of luck in getting your stuff back man.
Oh and @ fink I couldn't help but notice your sig, is it directed towards me? Because I haven't seen anyone post that on the bbs.
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Yeah i agree with Batfink.
It just doesnt surprise me anymore what these drug addicts will do for a hit imho i cnt do with thiefs i dont wish for the guy to die but i do hope he gets his punishment.
Good luck with getting the things back man and hope you can get back to normal life again soon.
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Sorry to her this happen to you Mark ! I will say a paryer you get your stuff back Bro!!!
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
stay on the pawn shops ... Ask the police to get off there arse and go thru all the phone numbers ... even your own phone may have a number to his Dealers house .. 99% of the time . those types go there 1st w/ the stuff ..
Stay on your local detective ... they probely already know the house were your stuff got fenced at ..
IMO the kid got what he had coming ... its to bad its self inflicted (sorry guys but I Hate Thieves )
I would make a point to fax or hand deliver to all the pawn shops in the area a list of the stolen equipment with serials, making sure the pawn shops know that a copy has been turned in to the local police. Pawn shops, for the most part, are aware that they are always under close scrutiny for selling and buying stolen goods.
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Gents, I don't have a comp at home, obviously, to reply so I can update you from work. He came out of the coma yesterday, he is going to be alright. I talked with several members of the family and they are going to bring up where my stuff is when it is appropriate at the hospital. It is more than likely at the drug dealers house and I did find what part of town he his dealer lives in so I've been calling those pawn shops. I had serial number for the computer so it is already in the system when pawn shops run the thing. As for the guitars, me, my brother, and my bass player, none of us had serial numbers for the guitars. Now that I know he is going to be OK, my human empathy towards him has turned to outright rage! Being a musician, I have many many friends that are........lets say........ types that know how to get stuff done and I am not beyond calling in a few favors. I will not allow this young man to watermelon in my castle and get away with it! I am a single father of two and I get no help from the mother and I don't have the means to over come this kind of loss easily. I appreciate the support I am getting from you guys very much. I can't help but feel the need to beat the ever living watermelon out of this punk! I know that I will not do something stupid as to jeapordize my freedom and my ability to take care of my children, but God as my witness it is hard to fight the need for vengence knowing that he walked through my house deciding what he would and would not take from me to get one fix! I did find that it was not Meth he was shooting, it was cocaine! Again, I appreciate all the kind words and support from you guys, I can't tell you how humbling it is to know that there are so many "good" folks in this game.
<> Mark
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Originally posted by 38ruk
Sorrry to hear skyrock , hope that everything works out alright . If you are in need of some pc stuff i have a bunch of stuff salvaged from machines people have given me when i build them new ones .
Here's some stuff that might be usefull : FX5200 8Xagp , audigy 2 S/c , 7200 rpm hard drive , 1800 amd XP a couple of 1.4 celerons , and some regular cd roms .
I also have a TM fox2 usb thats about as close to a mspp2 as you can get . I know you arent asking for anything , but if i can be of any help , let me know . 38
rukkee@toast.net
38, I do appreciate your offer and know that I have done the same thing for folks that have been through times when they needed parts. I have a friend that is scatching around his house for some stuff here locally and I might just take you up on a part or two if it will help. I do appreciate your offer sir!. I am going to let him look at what you have posted and see what my other friends have. If it ends up that I can get one together with your help or without, please know that I appreciate it very much! You just never know when your going to be that guy saying, "Hey, I'm computerless!"
<> Mark
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You never realise how "attached" to a computer you get, I smoke and I miss the stains on the left side of my monitor near my ashtray! SkyRock<--- holding back the tears lol
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Skyrock I agree with your possible idea.... but please don't post any further statements of favors.. as it can be used against you ... :aok
Just take care of business :)
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I have a spare DVD drive, and a spare DVD/CD-RW (52x).
If you need em, they're yours Mark.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Skyrock I agree with your possible idea.... but please don't post any further statements of favors.. as it can be used against you ... :aok
Just take care of business :)
Agreed! <>
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I have a spare DVD drive, and a spare DVD/CD-RW (52x).
If you need em, they're yours Mark.
Thanks, Jay! <>
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Thanks, Jay! <>
Anytime friend, anytime <>.
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Mark, prayers coming your way, and for the family of the 19 y.o., and for him, too.
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Skyrock -
I might have a old system lying around you can have, nothing special but it 'should' run AH2, albiet probably not at the highest settings.
Give me a few days to dig around.
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Thank you very much fellas! I will get with my friend and post what he has and anything you guys to add would be greatly appreciated.
<> Mark
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Any of you sick tards realise there is a 19 year old that could be dead right now? Oh, wait, he was doing drugs and he was an 'adult' and he deserves to die because he was stealing.
As long as Sky gets his stuff back, everything should be ok.
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SkyRock, all of that totally sucks. I'd like to contribute to a "Help SkyRock get back into the skies of Aces High" fund. I don't have equipment to donate, but I would like to chip in some moola towards some of the things you might have to repurchase. Please PM me your address or tell me a paypal account to which I can send some money.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Any of you sick tards realise there is a 19 year old that could be dead right now? Oh, wait, he was doing drugs and he was an 'adult' and he deserves to die because he was stealing.
As long as Sky gets his stuff back, everything should be ok.
I see you've taken a break from crying about the main arenas to come whine in here... awesome.
How many posts did you actually read there, sport? Did you make it even halfway down before your self-righteous indignation flamed from your ears and made you post this? Get a grip, champ.
Calling people tards is pretty nice too. +2 mod points.
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Im afraid I cant offer anything, but I can give possibly the best thing. My prayers and hopes that all comes good. Im also going to pray for the 19 yr old, because although he was wrong, He is stillin a bad way and need support. I hope that all your stuff is found, and I think this has just shown, despite all the bickering and shouting and fighting, what a great community AH is and how well we band together to help a fellow out.
All for such friendship. Good luck Sky!
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I have a spare Antec (new) case. Purchase 3 really nice antec cases but end up only building 2 pc's. Just pm your addy and I'll ups the case to you.
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Originally posted by Messiah
Wow dude that is terrible. Being a musician myself i'd be so mad if some twit like that stole my guitars. Best of luck in getting your stuff back man.
Oh and @ fink I couldn't help but notice your sig, is it directed towards me? Because I haven't seen anyone post that on the bbs.
dude, i must edumacate you!!1
http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/brian/judithde.jpg
http://www.intriguing.com/mp/lifeofbrian.asp
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/monty_pythons_life_of_brian/
:aok
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Sorry to hear about it Skyrock...
Hope this all sorts out best for everyone
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I only have a minute right now to update. The young man has come out of his coma and looks like he is going to be just fine. His father called me earlier this morning and wants to meet to discuss how he might help get my stuff back. His mother once followed him to his drug dealers house in the bowels of south Memphis but she can't remember what street it was. It is doubtful I can get my stuff back but I am still trying to be hopeful. Thanks for the offers to help get me a computer, it is greatly appreciated!
<> and thanks, Mark
fit4dat@Yahoo.com if you need to e-mail me
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Originally posted by scottydawg
How many posts did you actually read there, sport?
Calling people tards is pretty nice too. +2 mod points.
All of them. Was only talking about the tards. As far as calling people tards, I was trying to be nice and not get my post removed. Botom line is there was a 19 year old in a coma and a banch of retarded tards worring about Skys computer. I'll go get a grip now :rofl
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
All of them. Was only talking about the tards. As far as calling people tards, I was trying to be nice and not get my post removed. Botom line is there was a 19 year old in a coma and a banch of retarded tards worring about Skys computer. I'll go get a grip now :rofl
bugs, I too am a compassionate person and was torn up about the fact the kid was in a dire position in the hospital. I think where the "tards" were coming from is how I feel about thieves in general. I too have had my battles with drugs in the past, yet never when the drugs ran out did I invade someone's home, I simply understood that the party was over. I am very glad the young man is going to make it through, although if I had been home when he came through my son's window.............. he'd have been talking to the devil right now via ma old springfield 30-06! I might also add, that now when someone steals your computer, it's like stealing your wallet, family picture album, artist's rights, and so forth. I had no less than 30 composed songs, 2 partially finished novels, one partially finished screenplay, all my family photos, 3 completed short stories, another 30 or so poems, a completed 12 song album, and countless other original works! All taken so this little "tard" could shoot up one more time with cocaine! Like my father, who is definitely old school when it comes to justice, said, "Too bad he's going to make it"!
<> Mark
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Sky, I do understand how you can be upset for losing your stuff. My coments were not targeting you. I had my appartment emptied twice so kind of know the feeling. I do understand how you feel. However, some of the comments made by people not affected by all this, were just retarded.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Sky, I do understand how you can be upset for losing your stuff. My coments were not targeting you. I had my appartment emptied twice so kind of know the feeling. I do understand how you feel. However, some of the comments made by people not affected by all this, were just retarded.
How are things going in CT?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
How are things going in CT?
Combat Theater or CONNECTICUT ????
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<--- thoughtless tard
i agree with skyrock's father.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Combat Theater or CONNECTICUT ????
It's BLATANTLY obvious who you are. You know damn well what I meant and it wasn't Combat Theater.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
It's BLATANTLY obvious who you are. You know damn well what I meant and it wasn't Combat Theater.
Have not been in either for a very long time, lol. Do you practise being wrong or does it come naturally to you? Let me guess, a natural talent and lots of practice :rofl
BTW. Say it then. You keep saing you know but you wont say who. I am waiting for the excuse now, lol.
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it was more blatantly obviously a while ago, not that it should matter to anyone. certainly doesnt matter to me.
i definitely like this bugsbunny guy though, he is polite, to the point, and mature in his arguements. a vast improvement over alot of forum users.
agreeing to disagree is a good way of ending a heated debate, and ending a heated debate is a good way of keeping things in relative peace.
S! bugs.
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Well, before Skyrock came to his senses, I was about to say...
"Am I the only one who thinks that if this kid dies, he got off easy?"
No one made him take drugs.
No one made him steal.
No one made him rob from someone who actually helped him and his family in the past.
Sympathy for this guy should end when you realize that he's robbed Skyrock 3 times now. That's no accident. That's no one-time thing.
The definition of insanity is "to expect different results from the same actions." Before now, the actions taken against this kid were "Nothing" and he came back twice more to steal again. Do to "nothing" again is, by definition, insane.
Criminals count on the sympathies of society to let them commit crimes again.
I hope the kid get's the cr@p beat out of him by someone, and that he knows why...
Your cheerful Pal,
Llama
(I'll duck for cover now.)
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Ok, I think that explains what I was talking about
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
it was more blatantly obviously a while ago, not that it should matter to anyone. certainly doesnt matter to me.
i definitely like this bugsbunny guy though, he is polite, to the point, and mature in his arguements. a vast improvement over alot of forum users.
agreeing to disagree is a good way of ending a heated debate, and ending a heated debate is a good way of keeping things in relative peace.
S! bugs.
Hey now, I was asking him. Be nice and let he be wrong again please :D
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LOL Karaya, it's not Morph LMAO.
:lol
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
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Ok, I think that explains what I was talking about
<--------------------- Thoughtless Tard.
Frankly, if BugsBunny is calling me a Thoughtless Tard, then I'm pretty pleased with myself, even if I don't resort to name calling.
Good greif, if people think it's OK to shoot a burgular as he's entering the house to steal your stuff, why is wishing he *were* dead after the fact a big problem?
How many times should he get away with robbing people before someone does something? 5? 10? 20? How do we know he hasn't already - we're just talking about one guy's house, you know.
-Llama
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Originally posted by llama
<--------------------- Thoughtless Tard.
we're just talking about one guy's house, you know.
-Llama
Nop, we are talking about a 19 year old kid.
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Gotta side with Bugs on this one.
Having someone violate the private sanctity of your home and steal very important and irreplaceable material items is horrendous, but those that wish(ed) the life of this 19 year old to end ... wow ... mind blowing.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Gotta side with Bugs on this one.
Having someone violate the private sanctity of your home and steal very important and irreplaceable material items is horrendous, but those that wish(ed) the life of this 19 year old to end ... wow ... mind blowing.
Just went through the entire thread, couldn't find anyone who wished this kid to die... did I miss something? All I found were hopes that justice would be served once he's out of the woods.
Besides feeling bad for SkyRock, who has obviously been robbed and betrayed by someone he brought into his home and taught, I also feel bad for the kid's family, who are going to be living this particular nightmare for quite a while.
The kid? A little, he's made his bed and now will have to lie in it, literally. I hope he gets the help he so obviously needs, but with the way the justice system works, it's unlikely he'll get more than a reduced sentence and a schooling in inmate hierarchy.
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"Too bad he's going to make it"!
Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i agree with skyrock's father.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Just went through the entire thread, couldn't find anyone who wished this kid to die... did I miss something?
I don't know, did you???
llama:
why is wishing he *were* dead after the fact a big problem?
SkyRock:
he'd have been talking to the devil right now via ma old springfield 30-06!
Shuffler:
As for the 19 year old.... looks like he'll live to strike again
RabitRabit:
You always hope for the best but sometimes its better for all when darwin strikes. How many people are there in this world for which the world would be far better off without?
Arcades057:
That really sucks bro. I hope everything turns out OK for you, screw him.
Roscoroo:
IMO the kid got what he had coming ... its to bad its self inflicted
And then you have the nice people offeering to say a prayer that sky gets his stuff back. WTF?
:rofl
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Doesn't matter how old he is... the world is better off without him.
Keep in mind items stolen are just as stolen if the person is 5 or 50.... a person dead, is just as dead no matter if someone is 5 or 50...
Doesn't matter if they were taking drugs, drinking, or out for a good time.
It was their choice to do those chemicals or to take that action.
If we keep protecting such folks as the weak or lazy... and also subsidizing them, they will continue to spawn more weak and lazy thereby weakening your nation.
Bottom line; The Person is responsible for their own actions.... not anything or anyone else.
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I concur with Shuffler.
Reread some of those quotes Bugs, half of them don't even deal with wanting him dead. If you'd like me to explain them I'd be happy to do so.
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This thread can go on and on.
SkyRock, doesnt sound like much of a suggestion, but very well may be of use..Around here the "Goodwill" store has second hand computer systems for $225 or less. They are in the P4 range with 256-512 of memory.
You candor regarding this situation is admirable and presented very well. My respect to you Sir!
For any who dont realize this. The 19 year old made his decisions. Dont hand me the line about it being the "drug" that caused this to happen. Thats a line of lunacy in itself. The drug couldnt pick up SkyRocks gear, couldnt break in, nor did it force itself on the perp..... The USER did it on his on!
I cannot say that I would have the concerns for this punk, that SkyRock has shown. Nor would I likely have much in the way of pity for the family. They share the blame for it happening. Dont tell me they didnt notice a problem.
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I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your guitars, Skyrock.
As a guitarist myself, I know how devastating that would be.
I hope you get your baby back.
Best of luck.
- Archaius
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Update. The kid, who I found out is only 18, will make a complete recovery. He is in a drug rehabilitation/mental hospital right now and is still denying any involvement, even though my stolen property(Grandmothers Stella) was in his possession. Now that I know he is out of the woods as far as life threatening issues, I am starting to get angry with his denials. I have however realised that as a civilized person, I must turn this over to the authorities and hope for some type of justice. It is starting to sink in. I may never get to see my guitars again. It has thrown me into a mild state of depression coupled with moments of incredible anger! At least my family is healthy. Again I appreciate the offers to help with getting me back with computer again.
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Mark
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:( Mark. If he's denying this, nail him to the wall. Go to the Police. <
> I hope you get some of your stuff back.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Update. The kid, who I found out is only 18, will make a complete recovery. He is in a drug rehabilitation/mental hospital right now and is still denying any involvement, even though my stolen property(Grandmothers Stella) was in his possession. Now that I know he is out of the woods as far as life threatening issues, I am starting to get angry with his denials. I have however realised that as a civilized person, I must turn this over to the authorities and hope for some type of justice. It is starting to sink in. I may never get to see my guitars again. It has thrown me into a mild state of depression coupled with moments of incredible anger! At least my family is healthy. Again I appreciate the offers to help with getting me back with computer again.
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Mark
Hay, if it is still in his possession, maybe you can still shoot him? I'd check with the athorities first but the safe thing to do is invitehime over at night and then tell the cops he was breaking in.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Hay, if it is still in his possession, maybe you can still shoot him? I'd check with the athorities first but the safe thing to do is invitehime over at night and then tell the cops he was breaking in.
Note I said, WAS, in his possession. His grandmother(my neighbor) asked if I had a red stella guitar, I said yes, she then went into her house and brought out my grandmothers 1966 red sunburst stella acoustic. It was one of 8 guitars stolen from me. Bugs, I am detecting a little ulterior meaning in your post. I may be wrong, but if I am right, let me be clear. I will not hesitate to drop anyone who breaks into my house while me and/or my family is present. It is my right, it is my belief, and it would be my honor to exterminate any other human who home invades upon me and my children! I was taught from an early age that if a human makes a decision to come into another man's house uninvited and with ill intentions, then he shall carry the burden of rolling the dice with his own existence.
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I'll bet you 100 bucks that he will be doing just that within a few weeks of getting out of rehab.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Note I said, WAS, in his possession. His grandmother(my neighbor) asked if I had a red stella guitar, I said yes, she then went into her house and brought out my grandmothers 1966 red sunburst stella acoustic. It was one of 8 guitars stolen from me. Bugs, I am detecting a little ulterior meaning in your post. I may be wrong, but if I am right, let me be clear. I will not hesitate to drop anyone who breaks into my house while me and/or my family is present. It is my right, it is my belief, and it would be my honor to exterminate any other human who home invades upon me and my children! I was taught from an early age that if a human makes a decision to come into another man's house uninvited and with ill intentions, then he shall carry the burden of rolling the dice with his own existence.
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amen brother..
and good luck with your recovery efforts.
Navajo
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Update. The kid, who I found out is only 18, will make a complete recovery.
you mean he wont die in a coma, or a real complete recovery and become a worthwhile lifeform again?
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I did find that it was not Meth he was shooting, it was cocaine!
He did all that **** to support a COCAINE addiction?!?!?!? That is one seriously pathetic, weak person... crack, heroin, meth I can understand.. Still an idiot for doing that crap in the first place, but at least it's understandable. Seriously weak character if he was supporting a coke addiction... I say call in some of those "favors."
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Originally posted by wetrat
He did all that **** to support a COCAINE addiction?!?!?!? That is one seriously pathetic, weak person... crack, heroin, meth I can understand.. Still an idiot for doing that crap in the first place, but at least it's understandable. Seriously weak character if he was supporting a coke addiction... I say call in some of those "favors."
:lol So true.
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that sucks. i cant stand thieves, especially after i had my truck stolen.
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Co workers neighborhood has been on the hit list the past few weeks I suppose and it was finally his turn. As usual the local PD has bigger things to worry about, a case number is all you get most times. I back you 100% on taking out any intruders Sky. Good luck
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
<--- thoughtless tard
i agree with skyrock's father.
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Another thoughtless tard for agreeing with B@tfink the thougtless tard who agreed with skyrocks father
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Note I said, WAS, in his possession. His grandmother(my neighbor) asked if I had a red stella guitar, I said yes, she then went into her house and brought out my grandmothers 1966 red sunburst stella acoustic. It was one of 8 guitars stolen from me. Bugs, I am detecting a little ulterior meaning in your post. I may be wrong, but if I am right, let me be clear. I will not hesitate to drop anyone who breaks into my house while me and/or my family is present. It is my right, it is my belief, and it would be my honor to exterminate any other human who home invades upon me and my children! I was taught from an early age that if a human makes a decision to come into another man's house uninvited and with ill intentions, then he shall carry the burden of rolling the dice with his own existence.
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Smart man, lol. I am sure you would not hesitate to shoot an 18 year old, preferably unarmed, in the back while he was running away. It is your right after all, lol. Am I detecting some sadness that you missed the oportunity? Why feel sorry for him and his family when he was in a coma, but not feel sory if you shot him in the back? I think I know. You did not feel sorry. You wished him dead. You just did not have the balls to say it. Same way you would not have the balls to shoot him if he posed a real danger to your life, lol.
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If a person breaks into my home... I don't ask for age and ID. POP! POP!
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Smart man, lol. I am sure you would not hesitate to shoot an 18 year old, preferably unarmed, in the back while he was running away. It is your right after all, lol. Am I detecting some sadness that you missed the oportunity? Why feel sorry for him and his family when he was in a coma, but not feel sory if you shot him in the back? I think I know. You did not feel sorry. You wished him dead. You just did not have the balls to say it. Same way you would not have the balls to shoot him if he posed a real danger to your life, lol.
Yer the one to talk about "balls" and yer hiding behind a shades account. You are nothing more than a windbag.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Smart man, lol. I am sure you would not hesitate to shoot an 18 year old, preferably unarmed, in the back while he was running away. It is your right after all, lol. Am I detecting some sadness that you missed the oportunity? Why feel sorry for him and his family when he was in a coma, but not feel sory if you shot him in the back? I think I know. You did not feel sorry. You wished him dead. You just did not have the balls to say it. Same way you would not have the balls to shoot him if he posed a real danger to your life, lol.
Hmm, I am thrown back by you a bit! I think you missed a major point in my post. Maybe I should wait until after he breaks in, gets the jump on me, ties me up and has his way with my children to ask if he is just coming in to steal my guitars and computer. I understand that humans are prone to making bad decisions and some are made with regrettable consequences. It is a fact of life. It is also a fact that if you break into someone's house, you might get shot! If you are looking to twist words or intentions, please take it somwhere else. Again, I state, I will shoot anyone who comes into my house uninvited and with ill intentions while I am there with my children. My children deserve to be protected by their father. Mark
PS Bugs, you and I had a little conversation a while back about the DA episode. You mentioned the fact that I blew a gasket or something. I told you I remember going off the deep end as I was drinking heavily that night and something had set me off. I stated in our conv that it wasn't the cartoon airplane fights that set me off but yours and anothers comments and attitude towards me. After I read this response from you that I am now replying to, I remember what it was that set me off. I have yet to ask you who you are, I have given you that right to be whoever you want to be in AH land here. I will ask you to avoid communicating with me in the future. I will also ask you to not post on my threads. You are not bound to my requests, but I do ask this in public and with the intention to avoid me completely calling you out everytime you converse to me or about me. Oh, and by the way, if you would like to find out if I have the balls to shoot someone coming in my house uninvited and with bad intentions, feel free to test your theory! Mark aka 031598, hog327th,skyrock,coldkill,smashr,cptdeath
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Hmm, I am thrown back by you a bit! I think you missed a major point in my post. Maybe I should wait until after he breaks in, gets the jump on me, ties me up and has his way with my children to ask if he is just coming in to steal my guitars and computer. I understand that humans are prone to making bad decisions and some are made with regrettable consequences. It is a fact of life. It is also a fact that if you break into someone's house, you might get shot! If you are looking to twist words or intentions, please take it somwhere else. Again, I state, I will shoot anyone who comes into my house uninvited and with ill intentions while I am there with my children. My children deserve to be protected by their father. Mark
PS Bugs, you and I had a little conversation a while back about the DA episode. You mentioned the fact that I blew a gasket or something. I told you I remember going off the deep end as I was drinking heavily that night and something had set me off. I stated in our conv that it wasn't the cartoon airplane fights that set me off but yours and anothers comments and attitude towards me. After I read this response from you that I am now replying to, I remember what it was that set me off. I have yet to ask you who you are, I have given you that right to be whoever you want to be in AH land here. I will ask you to avoid communicating with me in the future. I will also ask you to not post on my threads. You are not bound to my requests, but I do ask this in public and with the intention to avoid me completely calling you out everytime you converse to me or about me. Oh, and by the way, if you would like to find out if I have the balls to shoot someone coming in my house uninvited and with bad intentions, feel free to test your theory! Mark aka 031598, hog327th,skyrock,coldkill,smashr,cptdeath
Just put me in your ignore list. Problem solved. As far as testing you, no need to. I said I am convinced you would shoot someone in the back if you knew that you would not get in troble with the law.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Yer the one to talk about "balls" and yer hiding behind a shades account. You are nothing more than a windbag.
Ohhh, you hurt my feelings. I go cry now. Please don't be mean to me? please?
BTW. Was I talking to you or did you just insert your self in someone elses conversation, again?
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
BTW. Was I talking to you or did you just insert your self in someone elses conversation, again?
Sorry that you are too lazy to take it to PM's with SR, but yeah, you are windbag. Shades boy.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Just put me in your ignore list. Problem solved. As far as testing you, no need to. I said I am convinced you would shoot someone in the back if you knew that you would not get in troble with the law.
Not going to heed my request? Didn't figure you would. What were some of the handles you flew AH and AH2 under? Don't be a coward, let everyone know! :aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Not going to heed my request? Didn't figure you would. What were some of the handles you flew AH and AH2 under? Don't be a coward, let everyone know! :aok
Dude, please stop. You are scaring me!!!! Fine, I will do what you say, just don't ask me who I used to be 4 years ago ok? OMFG what am i going to do now?
In anycase, here is my point:
You think you have the right and think that it is ok to shoot a kid in the back because he was stealing from you.
I think thats wrong.
We dont have to agree, you dont have to be wrong. But, it is what you would do. You said it. Don't be mad at me for what you said. Now cut the crap and if you dont want to see my posts, ignore me. Teling me what to do will only result in me posting more in your threads.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Sorry that you are too lazy to take it to PM's with SR, but yeah, you are windbag. Shades boy.
That right. I have to take this to PMs because I don't agree with you two?
I apologise if I offented your boyfried. You guys may think that 1,2,3, or 20 guitars are worth a kids life. Thats fine, just dont get mad when people respond to your well hiden statements.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
That right. I have to take this to PMs because I don't agree with you two?
I apologise if I offented your boyfried. You guys may think that 1,2,3, or 20 guitars are worth a kids life. Thats fine, just dont get mad when people respond to your well hiden statements.
Buy a dictionary.
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dude sky I'm really sad to hear about what happened. i really hope you get all that stuff back. id want it back too. that kid stole over $5,000 in stuff. i really hope everything goes well and the kid learns a valuable lesson. i hope to see you back soon man
and good luck.
P.S i didnt know you were a teaher.:)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Buy a dictionary.
Will do sir. I do however think that this has nothing to do with Sky or what happened.
You are just mad because I called you an idiot in the past. Don't be mad please. I meant that in a good way :aok
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Bugs,
The kid put himself in the coma after he realized that the game was over. Had Skyrock gotten to him first and perhaps taken a shot, it would have been different. If your house ever gets broken into with you in it, are you going to politely ask them to leave or are you going to grab a knife, baseball bat, scissors, whatever and try to attack them? Or will you just call the police and hope they get there in time? It wasn't life and death this time because Skyrock nor his family were in the home so that's a rather moot point right now.
It's not really the material things that I would be angry about, it's the fact that someone came into your house and violated your privacy. Have you ever been victimized? Have you ever felt the filth that comes with being victimized? The kid put himself in the position he is today, no one else. Coddle the sex offenders and feel sorry for them because they might have a couple of screws loose, it's not their fault is it?
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Will do sir. I do however think that this has nothing to do with Sky or what happened.
You are just mad because I called you an idiot in the past. Don't be mad please. I meant that in a good way :aok
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Hmmm...interesting thread.
Skyrock...sorry for the loss and trauma this has coused you and your family. I hope you recover at least those things which held such sentimental value. (I noticed you mentioned Memphis...good luck from a fellow Tennessean...Knoxville)
Fellow well wishers and those who have offered assistance...classy stuff gents...you are fine examples of a close and supportive community.
Bugs...your libertarian views and mindset are why we have to deal with scum like this kid in the first place. Had this punk learned at an early age that his actions had consequences he may have chosen a more acceptable path for his life...his lack of a moral compass and accepatble values is most probably a result of his parents sharing the same mindset as you have demonstrated. You sir are the product of a corrupt and stagnant gene pool...it is you and those like you who will be the downfall of society.
Again, best wishes Sky.
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Originally posted by Gman8
Bugs...your libertarian views and mindset are why we have to deal with scum like this kid in the first place. Had this punk learned at an early age that his actions had consequences he may have chosen a more acceptable path for his life...his lack of a moral compass and accepatble values is most probably a result of his parents sharing the same mindset as you have demonstrated. You sir are the product of a corrupt and stagnant gene pool...it is you and those like you who will be the downfall of society.
Again, best wishes Sky.
:O First I destroied AH. Now I am destroing this country. The world is next!!!! Look out :rofl
You sir are right about a lot of what you said in your post. I am sorry if I think that an 18 year old should not be put to death for stealing or shot in the back by Sky. This is the only mindset I have. Never said his actions were acceptable, but he is not here talking to me. My responces were to the people wishing a kid dead. I also never said that you should not defend yourself when you think your life is in danger. But killing a kid because you have an excuse is just wrong. Wana talk about stagnant gene pool? :noid
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
My responces were to the people wishing a kid dead. Wana talk about stagnant gene pool? :noid
When did I wish the kid dead? Please, let me know. You tripped over a pebble and onto your sword Lancelot. :aok
FWIW, you've changed "your angle" in this thread roughly five times. We're waiting for your next "sidestep".
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With all due respect, screw the little watermelon when and if he wakes up...he would have zero sympathy for me...Ultimately people make their own choices...a lot of the time they are the wrong choice, and have to pay the consequences....Just because he tried to kill himself does not diminish the fact that he has broken into your home multiple times...What if your kids were home when he came in? If he was so desperate because of drugs, what woud he have done to them?
so screw him...he deserves whatever he gets
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
When did I wish the kid dead? Please, let me know. You tripped over a pebble and onto your sword Lancelot. :aok
FWIW, you've changed "your angle" in this thread roughly five times. We're waiting for your next "sidestep".
Well, not to you. I only replied to you because you inserted yourself in a conversation I had with Sky. Well, that, and because I like having fun with stupid people. Oh, I mean that in a good way too, so please dont get mad at me, k?
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
In anycase, here is my point:
You think you have the right and think that it is ok to shoot a kid in the back because he was stealing from you.
I think thats wrong.
I never said anything about shooting anyone in the back. You are the only person that has mentioned shooting anyone in the back. Please quote if you are going to try and speak for me! Maybe just stay out of conversations when you have been asked not to join in. :aok
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in the time span this thread has lasted, im glad to announce the junky cleaned up, started a business, a family, retired to a small plot in ohio and died a peacefull death in his sleep as an old man.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
I am sorry if I think that an 18 year old should not be put to death for stealing or shot in the back by Sky.
Again, I never said one thing about shooting anyone in the back. Why must you go on telling people that I want to shoot the kid in the back. I think you and the kid should get together and talk about commonalities!
The only thing I have said about shooting is if you come into my house while me and my children are there, you might get shot!:aok
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Well Bugs i think you have your priorities in the wrong place Skyrock is just simply saying that he will do anything to protect his family like any other decent father would do. If i was SkyRock and i woke up while the kid was there well lets just say he wouldnt be walking back out!!!!. to be honest your the only person i have dissagreed with on this post the kid deserves what he gets if he chooses to go down the road of taking drugs thats his choice and he has to live with the consequences. Personally i think the kid is a waste of organs and should be dealt with i certainly havnt wasted my time hoping he would be ok and go to rehab and that remember he has done it twice before and he WILL do it again after rehab but thats just the way i and a lot of people in the world think. A coke addiction shouldnt drive you to theiving unless your a greedy waste of space and cant be bothered to get a job to pay for it.
I you SkyRock and the way you have dealt with the situation i hope the kid gets dealt with either way and i hope you get you life back in order .
My last words on the subject
:mad:
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
in the time span this thread has lasted, im glad to announce the junky cleaned up, started a business, a family, retired to a small plot in ohio and died a peacefull death in his sleep as an old man.
:rofl
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Again, I never said one thing about shooting anyone in the back. Why must you go on telling people that I want to shoot the kid in the back. I think you and the kid should get together and talk about commonalities!
The only thing I have said about shooting is if you come into my house while me and my children are there, you might get shot!:aok
"he'd have been talking to the devil right now via ma old springfield 30-06!"
My guess Sky, and it is only a guess, the kid would have ran if he saw you there. Thats when you would have shot him in the back with yo old springfield 30-06!!. (wow, saing it like that made my . . . grow a couple of inches, lol)
In any case, we don't have to agree on anything here. Just don't get mad at me about the things you say. Lets say you would have shot him in the face if that makes you feel better. As far as talking about commonalities, I think you two have a lot more in common than you think. Both adicted, he thinks it is ok to steal you think it is ok to kill. Ever drove drunk? Never mind, you would never say yes. BTW, I think people that drive drunk shoold be shot.
I understand about defending your family and your right to do so. But in this case, that would have been just an excuse.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
"he'd have been talking to the devil right now via ma old springfield 30-06!"
My guess Sky, and it is only a guess, the kid would have ran if he saw you there. Thats when you would have shot him in the back with yo old springfield 30-06!!. (wow, saing it like that made my . . . grow a couple of inches, lol)
In any case, we don't have to agree on anything here. Just don't get mad at me about the things you say. Lets say you would have shot him in the face if that makes you feel better. As far as talking about commonalities, I think you two have a lot more in common than you think. Both adicted, he thinks it is ok to steal you think it is ok to kill. Ever drove drunk? Never mind, you would never say yes. BTW, I think people that drive drunk shoold be shot.
I understand about defending your family and your right to do so. But in this case, that would have been just an excuse.
Thanks, for quoting. Shooting someone that has kicked in your 4 year olds window and is coming into the house where you and your children are sleeping, is quite a bit different than shooting someone in the back for merely stealing something from you. Many in this thread have stated that it is the homeowners right to shoot a home invader, yet you only use my name and even then you distorted what I said to make it sound likie I believe in executing someone for stealing by shooting them in the back. Lets take your post and break it down.
#1, I dont need my . . . . to grow anymore than it already is
#2, I'm not mad at the things I have said
#3, I'm not mad at the things you stated I said even though they were not representative of any quote from me in this thread
#4, You do not know me well enough to know what I am addicted to
#5, Your last two sentences are quite hilarious considering the original and updated posts about the incident
#6, You still haven't posted your former cpid's so that everyone knows who is really posting here
#7, my guess is that you are not "ready" to let "everyone" know who you used to be ingame, are you hiding something????
Have a good day!
Mark aka 031598, skyrock, hog327th, coldkill, smashr,cptdeath
BTW, I hope that I am never put in the position to have to decide whether or not to pull the trigger on a home invader. I do hope that if it ever happens when me and my family is there, I am the one deciding the fate and not the invader!:aok
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Ok...
Here in Aus guns are HEAVILY controled... You can go to jail for owning an air rifle and being unlicenced.
Never the less guns are around, I have had a number of encounters with people who have Illegal firearms.
.45 colt
Pump action
Ect
I say this because anyone who thinks gun control stops gun crime is living in a dream world....
IF I had a gun and someone comes into my house with evil intent he is going to go down, weather it be by fist, carving knife or shotgun... what ever i get my hands on.
Why is it everyone worries about the rights of the criminal and not the victims. This kid has to take responsibility for his actions, if he survives and serves his time, perhaps he take responsibility for himself and become a useful member of society.
And Yes everyone has certain rights but if they do not respect the rights of others they forefit their own...
Now this is a bit harsh bugs but I would like to know your response:
What would you do if you came home and found someone raping your wife or mother, would you try to talk to him and console him on his unhappy child hood, would you try to make him see the error of his ways...?
Or would you beat the son of a b***h to a pulp?
Cause I know I would, and in that case if he tried to run I would shoot him in the back.
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Originally posted by mussie
Now this is a bit harsh bugs but I would like to know your response:
What would you do if you came home and found someone raping your wife or mother, would you try to talk to him and console him on his unhappy child hood, would you try to make him see the error of his ways...?
Or would you beat the son of a b***h to a pulp?
Cause I know I would, and in that case if he tried to run I would shoot him in the back.
Thats easy mussie. Maybe you did not read all the posts here. If any of the above you mentioned happens, he will die. If not there, later when ever I can get to him. But this is not what we are talking about here is it? This conversation started after the incident so no one is currently in danger. The kid did not brake into a full house to rape or kill. He broke into an empty house and when later he tried to kill himself some people were wishing him dead while others offered a prayer that Sky gets his guitar back. This is how it started and I hope you do see the difference.
That is how this started. The thing about shooting the kid in the back comes from peopl braging about how they would send the kid to hell and how he deservred to die. Some people are waiting for that moment when they will be able to kill and not get in troble with the law.
Now, a question for you. Do you think an 18 year old should be killed or wished dead because he stole a few guitars with out hurting or having the intent to hurt anothe rperson? I think not.
Honestly, I hope someone offers a prayer for Skys gun to get lost so that he does not do anything stupid while drunk.
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Ok Bugs.. From your reply above (no I have not read all the threads in this post it mostly appears to be a lot of flaming) I can see you point...
And in response to your question I will quote myself
Originally posted by mussie
This kid has to take responsibility for his actions, if he survives and serves his time, perhaps he take responsibility for himself and become a useful member of society.
No I dont think he should die...
Yes I do consider him to be a scumbag...
No I dont think he can ever return what he has taken from skyrock...
Yes I think he will reoffend...
No I dont think he will be punished properly...
Yes I would have attacked him had I found him robbing my house and I would have used deadly force if I thought it necessary...
(you said with out the intent to hurt... but you do not know what would have happened if he were caught)
No I dont think he can blame his actions on a bad child hood (we all had bad times in our child hood build a bridge and get over it)...
Yes I do beleve that MOST people can change there ways...
I have said my peice
Later All
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I've read most of the posts in this thread and find myself being less generous to the perp than some. Nonetheless, I would certainly not shoot a burgler unless I was in immediate danger.
I do speak from experience though, having discovered three teenagers ransacking our rented home back in 1980, on Thanksgiving day to be exact.
My wife and I had spent the day at her parents, where we had dinner. We then drove across town and had desert at my family's home. We left for home around 8 PM.
Turning onto our street, I saw a flashlight beam moving about in our front, upstairs bedroom. I drove past and stopped at a friend's house three doors down. I called the Police, and then along with my friend (a NYS Court Officer) armed with his service revolver, his brother armed with a Mossberg shotgun and I had a Ruger carbine; we walked to my house. The women were against our apprehending the buggers, but I wasn't going to let them escape if I could prevent it.
We were lucky, they hadn't fled yet. The intruders appeared to be up in the master bedroom, in the rear of the upstairs. My friend's brother waited around back for anyone bailing out in a hurry. After checking that no one was downstairs (peeking in the windows) I unlocked the front door as quietly as possible. We then burst in and blocked exit down the stairs. One kid looked around the corner and stared down the revolver's barrel. He let out a panicked scream. Another kid opened a window, kicked out the screen and jumped. He managed to break his ankle in the attempt. His problem was greatly enhanced by the shotgun barrel he discovered two inches from his nose.
The other two came downstairs as ordered and we had them spread-eagle on the front walk when the Police showed up. They were arrested, charged and eventually found guilty. The oldest (18) was charged as an adult.
The only injury was to the idiot who decided that jumping blind out of a window was a good idea (he landed on the concrete patio and a large wood planter).
Apparently, there had been several break-ins in the neighborhood, and several items from other homes were found in one teenager's bedroom.
Several things can be gleaned from my experience.
1) Never, ever go in alone after a burgler or burglers.
2) If you must intervene, exercise good judgement and arm yourself as deemed necessary.
3) Understand that deadly force is a last resort and since we elected to intervene even after the police were called, our burden for justifiable deadly force was much greater, even with an off-duty Peace Officer with me (in New York State, Court Officers are classified as Peace Officers, not Police Officers and have limited jurisdiction and authority).
4) The goal must be to prevent the theft, not to cause deliberate injury. If the only way to apprehend the bad guy is to shoot him, let him go. You have enough trouble as it is, shooting a fleeing felon will only add to that exponentially, especially if the thief was unarmed. If he lives, he may get 2 years and probation. He'll be out of prison before you...
5) In retrospect, we agreed that we could have simply waited until the buggers exited the house as it would have provided a more controlled situation. Moreover, had we waited just 5 or 6 minutes, the Police would have arrived (the cops parked up the street and walked to the house to avoid spooking the thieves). My point is, take your time and think out your options before acting. Of course, forced entry by armed perps is another matter... Shoot first, debate later.
6) You never know for sure how your will react until actually faced with a situation. For example, if someone stated that they would automatically "shoot the SOB"; that is pure bluster. Hopefully, what they would do is use sound judgement. Your obligation is to save lives first, property second and saving face should not be in the equation. You may indeed have to use deadly force, but you better be able to establish that it was either "him or me", or at the very least that you were in immediate danger.
Put yourselves in the position of the parents of a screwed-up kid. You did everything you could to raise him right, but he's got himself an addiction and he's a thief. That's bad, really bad. But it's not an offense deserving death. Jail time, for sure. A good beating, perhaps. Too bad our legal system doesn't promote restitution.. Repay victims for their loss... Your only recourse is to sue in civil court and get what amounts to an uncollectable judgement.
Here's a story that was in our local newpaper a few weeks ago...
Three badguys kick in the door of a house and threaten a family at gunpoint. It was a robbery.
The homeowner was in a back bedroom when the perps crashed thru the door. He grabs his licensed pistol and goes to the living room. Seeing the three buttheads, two armed with handguns, the homeowner yells, "Freeze!!!, but hesitates... He doesn't shoot when one guy moves.
One badguy pivots around and shoots in the direction of the voice. He misses the homeowner, but hits his nephew in the head. Gunfire is exchanged. Two badguys are wounded and they all flee. The homeowner collects a flesh wound, but little boy is critically injured. He survives, but suffers severe brain damage. All 3 perps are apprehended.
This is a perfect example of using bad judgement and utterly stupid tactics. You cannot know if these creeps will simply leave, or decide to shoot any witnesses. You must assume the latter... Okay, so you have to stop them, no ethical problem as far as I can see. What you don't do is give them a warning. Let their warning be the report of your weapon firing.
My younger brother is a Deputy Sheriff and an ex Army Ranger. What would he have done? I asked him... "Drop the closest armed man with the first shot. Drop the second armed man next, odds are he will not have yet grasped the meaning of the first shot before he collects the next one. The third guy, the unarmed one, must now consider his situation and do so quickly..."
In my house, an intruder would be far more likely to encounter my wife rather than me... And that would be his hard luck, as she's a lot meaner and tougher than I am.
I'll explain. My family has owned pubs and local taverns for generations. I didn't go into the family business, but my middle brother did (I'm the oldest of four). My wife and I would stop by his pub (Smedleys Pub) from time to time. I'd have a few beers and chat with my brother, but my wife doesn't drink, so she would sip coca-cola with a lime twist. One evening we walked in and it was crowded. Some drunken butthead made an impolite comment to my wife. I escorted him to the door and tossed him out on his backside (literally, he stumbled and fell on his butt). His pals began running their yaps too and received their walking notices as well. I sat down at the bar and resumed my conversation. Several minutes go by, and the guy I bounced, along with two of his buddies had worked themselves into a lather and came back in for some payback. Being packed with people, no one noticed until they were about two steps away. My wife noticed them first. As the one guy stepped up behind me, he grabbed me around the neck. My wife grabbed a fist-full of glass ashtray (one of those heavy, sharp cornered types found on bars everywhere) and swung it into the guy's face. Caught him right on the cheekbone, splitting his mug wide open. He dropped like a dead skunk.
The other two stood there transfixed by the sight of a 110 pound buzzsaw hack down their chum... In short, all three went to jail that night, but one went to the emergency room first. Assault, trespassing, drunk and disorderly, etc.
That was very long time ago.
I stopped taking the wife to bars.... Too many brawls.
So, prospective burglers, if you think it's a good idea to break into my house, think again... You'd be better off kicking Mike Tyson's cat.
My regards,
Widewing
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THAT was a great set of stories, Widewing!
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Very nice Widewing. Especialy this:
4) The goal must be to prevent the theft, not to cause deliberate injury. If the only way to apprehend the bad guy is to shoot him, let him go. You have enough trouble as it is, shooting a fleeing felon will only add to that exponentially, especially if the thief was unarmed. If he lives, he may get 2 years and probation. He'll be out of prison before you...
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Originally posted by mussie
1) Yes I think he will reoffend...
2) No I dont think he will be punished properly...
3) Yes I do beleve that MOST people can change there ways...
K, so how does 1 and 3 go in the same post?
What do you think he should be punished?
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Great post WideWing.
I wonder how many of the "ill shoot the SOB" have actually ever had to kill a sentient being?
Being a Vet, its part of my job to kill animals sometimes. Its *always* difficult for me, even when i see the neccessity in it.
I dont want to imagine killing another human being. Im not sure id even be able to do it.
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Widewing's post does not apply in Texas!
Schatzi, I don't consider thieves human. If you let them go, expect a revisit as your considered an easy touch by most felons. This does not mean just go in blindly shooting, but if they do not stop... shoot. If you have a problem shooting low life scum then shoot into the ground. Amazing the effect on a criminals running ability and that individual will more than likely not return to a known armed home.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Widewing's post does not apply in Texas!
Schatzi, I don't consider thieves human. If you let them go, expect a revisit as your considered an easy touch by most felons. This does not mean just go in blindly shooting, but if they do not stop... shoot. If you have a problem shooting low life scum then shoot into the ground. Amazing the effect on a criminals running ability and that individual will more than likely not return to a known armed home.
Have you ever shot a living being (human or otherwise)?
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Have you ever shot a living being (human or otherwise)?
Non of them have Schatzi. The ones that have been in a war and have, would not be writing any of these posts. These guys are just big mouths that would run and hide if they felt real danger. If they saw it was just a scared kid runnign away, they might take a shot at him thinking that they would not get in troble with the law. Anyone that has seen someone die would not be making posts like these.
What I find amaizing is that the only thing that stops them is the fact they could get in troble with the law. Not because they think it is wrong to kill a kid over a stupid guitar.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Anyone that has seen someone die would not be making posts like these.
Bugs, I do not know you nor do I care to. You do not know me. You obviously have a problem with my game personna and continuously make comments that are false about what I said in this thread and insinuate things about my personal life. Why you would make a statement like the one above only shows that you know very little about the people you are talking about. I might also add that I feel you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Let it go. Just about everything you are saying here is an assumption.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Non of them have Schatzi. The ones that have been in a war and have, would not be writing any of these posts. These guys are just big mouths that would run and hide if they felt real danger. If they saw it was just a scared kid runnign away, they might take a shot at him thinking that they would not get in troble with the law. Anyone that has seen someone die would not be making posts like these.
What I find amaizing is that the only thing that stops them is the fact they could get in troble with the law. Not because they think it is wrong to kill a kid over a stupid guitar.
What I find amazing is the simple idiocy of assuming that the perp made a childish mistake by breaking into someones home. At what point will this maniacal thought process end?
It seems to me that cowardly conduct can be found in many instances, whether by being a thief, a liar, or so pompous as to post a point such as I have quoted.
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Originally posted by SIM
What I find amazing is the simple idiocy of assuming that the perp made a childish mistake by breaking into someones home. At what point will this maniacal thought process end?
It seems to me that cowardly conduct can be found in many instances, whether by being a thief, a liar, or so pompous as to post a point such as I have quoted.
I had as much compassion for his wellbeing and empathy for his position as any normal human being should be asked for after how he treated my castle, Sim. Bugs is just trying to insult me as much as possible. By the way, the kid can't be questioned while he is in this facility and he will be in for thirty days. He has yet to call the police from the treatment center to help me get my possesions back. He is going to fight this thing to the end even after he was caught with one of my guitars in his possesion. He has no remorse for how much damage he has caused me and my two children. They definitely do not feel safe in their own home now that they saw the destruction and blood all over my sons bedroom. (he cut hisself on my sons window) We just found out a few days ago that he also stole both of my duaghters guitars as well. I don't wish the kid dead at all, though. I wouldn't mind having a few hours with him in a locked room to "coerce" his confession though! :aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Bugs is just trying to insult me as much as possible.
It's all she has Sky.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Non of them have Schatzi. The ones that have been in a war and have, would not be writing any of these posts. These guys are just big mouths that would run and hide if they felt real danger. If they saw it was just a scared kid runnign away, they might take a shot at him thinking that they would not get in troble with the law. Anyone that has seen someone die would not be making posts like these.
What I find amaizing is that the only thing that stops them is the fact they could get in troble with the law. Not because they think it is wrong to kill a kid over a stupid guitar.
Bugs, that is NOT what I meant. This has nothing to do with danger and fear. Youre going for a very low blow there IMHO. But never mind, ill be out of this thread.
Skyrock: I think I understand what you mean. And it is exactly what im talking about. I hope you get this sorted out soon, and best wishes to you and your kids.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Bugs, that is NOT what I meant. This has nothing to do with danger and fear. Youre going for a very low blow there IMHO. But never mind, ill be out of this thread.
Nop, it is not what you meant. never said it was. It is what I think
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Thank you mister internet tough guy #140502905793460.
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Must be some bad carrots going around. :aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Must be some bad carrots going around. :aok
Nah, I shot them :p
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Bugs, that is NOT what I meant. This has nothing to do with danger and fear. Youre going for a very low blow there IMHO. But never mind, ill be out of this thread.
Skyrock: I think I understand what you mean. And it is exactly what im talking about. I hope you get this sorted out soon, and best wishes to you and your kids.
Thanks, Schatzi. wassupdoc took one quote out of this thread and tried to distort everything that I have posted. I may have been throwing some unneccesary weight around with the "talk to the devil" statement, but from my experiences I would rather not gamble on the intentions of a home intruder with the lives of my children. Many times intruders don't come into the house to cause bodily harm to the inhabitants, but often they see weakness and indecisiveness to fight as an open door to do as they will with their "victims". At any rate, it is a unsettling thought to have to deal with and I hope I am never placed in that position. <>
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Nah, I shot them :p
:lol
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I must be insane, its been peaceful lately, I got some parts that are good if they'll help, let me know what you might need.
I am sincerely sorry to hear about your home being invaded. I know I would be fit to be tied if it were my HOME.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Great post WideWing.
I wonder how many of the "ill shoot the SOB" have actually ever had to kill a sentient being?
Being a Vet, its part of my job to kill animals sometimes. Its *always* difficult for me, even when i see the neccessity in it.
I dont want to imagine killing another human being. Im not sure id even be able to do it.
Schatzi
I had a rat in my sons room once (this is about 10 years ago) at the time I owned an air rifle, I sat on the floor and waited for it to make a show...
The brave little salamander walked into the middle of the room and sat there looking at me...
I had him lined up and my finger on the trigger (I am a decent shot)... But I could not shoot, He posed no threat to me and he just sat there not looking in the best of health to be honest... In the end I chased him out of the house.....
I say this because I know that I could not shoot somthing that did not pose a threat, yet I know that there are some humans who will kill, maim ect for virtually nothing.... I know this cause I have known people like this...
If I found somone in my house, I have no choice othere than to render them incapable of harming my family.... As I cannot read minds (Not trying to sound smart mate) I do not know their intentions or what they are capable of so I will assume the worst and take action as I see required...
It is unfortunate that the most creative and capable species on the earth is to stupid to raise its off spring to be responsible for its own actions...
PS: Bugs What I ment is that he should be given the chance to become a useful member of society (after paying his debts) but he will most likley reoffend....
Mate
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Man I'd kill a sickly looking rat faster than I would a healthy looking one.
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Originally posted by Rikitic
I must be insane, its been peaceful lately, I got some parts that are good if they'll help, let me know what you might need.
I am sincerely sorry to hear about your home being invaded. I know I would be fit to be tied if it were my HOME.
I appreciate the concern and offer Rikitic.
<> Mark
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With the help of Silat I will be back in the virtual skies hopefully by Saturday. I miss my Fender and Epiphone though! :(