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Title: These New Arenas
Post by: twitchy on November 01, 2006, 01:58:04 AM

Well I've held my tongue long enough, these new arenas BLOW.
My squad isn't cohesive anymore at all, the numbers in any of them aren't worth throwing poop at, and aside from the general confusion it causes, the server sure hasn't seen anything like improved performance.
Why not take some of that creative energy you guys used to create these blue and orange arenas and apply it to something we might really appreciate like some new maps or some new planes? Honestly, between the task of organizing my squad in the silly multicolored arenas and trying to find an arena with decent numbers, it's starting to become a suckfest.

Why in the world would you guys bust up the main arena in the first place?
I mean other than the haughty old 'it's HT's game and he can do what he wants' ad nauseum...

If balancing the arena is the issue that caused this debacle, hell make the two weekers balance the arena. When a two weeker signs in, send them to the country with the lowest numbers, problem solved and I don't have to tool around in a friggin ENY forced f4f searching for a fight. There's people that play this game for free, two weeks after two weeks after two weeks, why not make them balance the arena numbers before telling your paying customers they have to be the ones that bear the burden of the BB hoarde whining. Jesus H.
In the six years I have payed and played this game, this is honestly the first time I've actually wondered if it's really worth the dough. Despite alot of the butt kissing and flame festing you might have read here on the BB, the general consensus amung the people that actually pay/play the game seems to agree that the New Arenas suck, real bad.

Don't get me wrong, Hitech, Skuzzy, Pyro, you guys have a great game here. I've been playing for six years now and while I've had my complaints and problems from time to time, I've enjoyed it. But this new arena stuff really is/was a bad idea guys. How about some new maps, some new planes, maybe some sheep or at least something positive, seriously. Hell if the map editor didn't CTD in the midst of a calculus nightmare everytime I've ever tried to use it, I'd make maps for you guys just to see something new.

Do we have or would it be possible to have a section of the BB that only people with an active paying account can discuss on? I think you guys could really get a much better idea of what's going on with the community if the people that actually pay monthly could communicate without all the rubbish. I hate posting on this BB because of all the flaming, but somebody needs to say it, and I know how RIDICULOUSLY immature this board can be so before you guys even start with the flaming, bite me.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Stang on November 01, 2006, 02:54:43 AM

Let me guess, you have a "squad" that has more than 32 members?

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: LYNX on November 01, 2006, 03:23:32 AM

You make some valid points.  

Well I've held my tongue long enough, these new arenas BLOW.
it's starting to become a suckfest.

I to am becoming disgruntled especially when one arena caps out lob sided.  It's having a knock on effect.  I'm talking it "IS" not might or maybe I'm talking "IS".    

Example
 LW Orange 90 bish 70 rook 55 knight.
 LW Blue  90 rook 70 knight 55 bish

You can repeat that all the way to the TA.  When one side dominates an arena they are the weaker in the next arena.  The weaker side in the first maxed arena being the stronger in the next.  Us customers seeing the none maxed arena as low in numbers and % percentage wise even more outta whack.

When a two weaker signs in, send them to the country with the lowest numbers, There's people that play this game for free, two weeks after two weeks after two weeks

To right ..and when the start paying they can pick a side....if they wish.

In the six years I have payed and played this game, this is honestly the first time I've actually wondered

Same here.  Came from that other sim November 2002 was "warlox" here then.  Never looked back.  Ignored all the e-mails with  free month this 2 week of that.  Went to their BB's once for a guys e-mail address.  That's it.  WELL ...guess who went and looked their WB site yesterday.  oh ffs what was I thinking.... I'm thinking I'm not chuffty.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: B@tfinkV on November 01, 2006, 03:41:32 AM

you know, its funny......how does a horde on one country affect anyone's gameplay?  as long as there are people on each side and somebody in your sector to shoot at what is the problem. its not like the whole 90rooks, 70nit, and 40bish are all in one sector.

thing that makes me laugh even more is that even when, in the magical land of perfection that we all seem to assume is easy to achieve, we get fully balanced arenas....someone will find something else to whine about.


no offence twitchy, this is direted t everyone i just choose your post to hijack..

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: richard_rd on November 01, 2006, 04:02:30 AM

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Originally posted by Stang
Let me guess, you have a "squad" that has more than 32 members?

   Wrong,

  I am a member of Twitchy's squad, I think we have around 23 people signed into the squad, but only about half of them actively play, and the most we have on at any one time is about 7-9 players with 4-6 being more normal.

  The pblm is our squad members mostly play during non prime time hours like midnight to 6AM EST, even though most of us live in the good ol USA.  Like all the european squads have been complaining about there are just not enough members online at that time to have people split between 4 arena's.  When there are only 60 to 120 total players logged into the arenas the game suffers if 10 players are in EW, 12 in MW, 40 in LW1, 23 in LW2.  

   I quess you describe our squad as tool sheders, because we prefer to play the land grab win the war type of game.  But with the new setup with 4 active arenas during non prime time (low numbers of players) the game is too boring. We like to capture and defend fields, but it is no fun if people are not trying to defend fields when you are trying to capture them. Most people during late night now are Milk Running or capturing undefended fields, or the other half our furballing.  No one defends fields any more, thus the land capture part of the game is way to boring anymore.

I used to play 80 to 160 hours per month and the last 2 months my online playing time has dropped down to between 20-30 hours because i am not finding the game fun anymore.

  I will stick it out for a few more months to see if things change, maybe if TOD
is released in 2-4 months ( yeah i know, it will be out in 2 weeks ;) ) that will bring the fun back, I hope so because I miss  my old AH2 game.  

   I know this has been sugested many times already since the arena changes of the past few months, but Dale I wish you would consider making only 1 arena active during non Prime Time, I  don't care wich one (EW, MW, LW, AA) maybe you can rotate the active one every couple of days or after a reset (war win).  I think if we had all players playing in the same arena during non prime time, then the game may get back to normal again for us late night players and we can have our fun back!!!!

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: LYNX on November 01, 2006, 04:14:23 AM

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Originally posted by Stang
Let me guess, you have a "squad" that has more than 32 members?

Here we go.  The "Vocal minority" chipping in with sarcasm.  These guys have no constructive points to make.  Heck they don't even reflect the average AH customer but they sure have alot to say about "How it should be" ...."How YOU should do x y z"  and "if you did" we would all live happy ever after...... bollocks!  Just typical that the first reply is from the "vocal minority" ...typical.

My squad ~SOB~ never had more than 17 players.  Average 3 to 4 players on at max.  Once had 11 guys on but that was 2 weeks organising it.  Just ya average AH squad with average skills and average TIME played, with the exception of me.  Since the changes 2 guys from my squad have left.  I'm not about the squad I'm talking ACES bloody HIGH.  Ain't no big deal to you lot Mr & Mrs Vocal minority but thats $358.80 per year HTC won't see.  Prolly skuzzies weekly bar bill hehe:D  If the average squad has 2 guys bail the game 50 x $358.80 =$17,940.  Whats that "vocal minority"  HTC's RV maintainance / fuel bill ?  You guys sure as crap ain't paying it are ya.  

Oh man ..I really could go off on one.   I just hope HTC is as good as his word and there is an "expected influx of new players" but if he ain't !  If he's influenced by the "vocal minority" then HTC better be prepared to tighten his belt.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: SuperDud on November 01, 2006, 07:07:55 AM

I like the changes. If you can't get as richard said and I quote, "7-9 players" organized, arena settings has nothing to do with it.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: culero on November 01, 2006, 08:18:28 AM

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Originally posted by richard_rd
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 Most people during late night now are Milk Running or capturing undefended fields, or the other half our furballing.  No one defends fields any more, thus the land capture part of the game is way to boring anymore.

So, go where the furballers are furballing, and attack those fields. Nothing pisses off furballers more than toolshedders messing with their furballs, and nothing defends like pissed off furballers. Problem solved.

That was simple. Next? :)

culero

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: LYNX on November 01, 2006, 08:29:51 AM

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Originally posted by culero
So, go where the furballers are furballing, and attack those fields. Nothing pisses off furballers more than toolshedders messing with their furballs, and nothing defends like pissed off furballers. Problem solved.

That was simple. Next? :)

culero

And the planet you come from is ?

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: SlapShot on November 01, 2006, 09:05:31 AM

The pblm is our squad members mostly play during non prime time hours like midnight to 6AM EST, even though most of us live in the good ol USA. Like all the european squads have been complaining about there are just not enough members online at that time to have people split between 4 arena's. When there are only 60 to 120 total players logged into the arenas the game suffers if 10 players are in EW, 12 in MW, 40 in LW1, 23 in LW2.

So let me see if I understand this ...

During those hours, the problem has nothing to do with the arena caps ... It all has to do with all the other people playing in other arenas, enjoying themselves, and they are not not forced to play in an arena with you. So you want to force people to play with you so that you can enjoy yourself and screw what they enjoy.

Wow ... talk about selfish.

Did ya ever think that those who are flying in EW and MW don't want to have anything to do with LW and throughly enjoy playing and fighting with the plane sets offered in those arenas ?

I really don't need an answer to that question ... I already know the answer.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: SlapShot on November 01, 2006, 09:10:04 AM

I just hope HTC is as good as his word and there is an "expected influx of new players" but if he ain't !

That would be good ... but don't expect that all of them will want to jump into the same arena as you ... they will more than likely spread themselves across all the arenas, so you still might not get the numbers that you would like.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: LYNX on November 01, 2006, 09:43:08 AM

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Originally posted by SlapShot
I just hope HTC is as good as his word and there is an "expected influx of new players" but if he ain't !

That would be good ... but don't expect that all of them will want to jump into the same arena as you ... they will more than likely spread themselves across all the arenas, so you still might not get the numbers that you would like.

Very true I never asked otherwise.  Right now this minutes 3.40PM my time UK about 11.40 Am East USA

Ew...  9 Players
Mw   25
LWO 29
LWB 15

I wouldn't dream of playing against more than 25% of new SUBs.  Would be nice to play against more guys is all.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: SlapShot on November 01, 2006, 09:51:55 AM

Would be nice to play against more guys is all.

Agreed ... but don't ever lose sight of what it is that floats their boat ... if they choose to fly in other arenas ... then ya just got to leave it at that.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Masherbrum on November 01, 2006, 09:52:15 AM

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
you know, its funny......how does a horde on one country affect anyone's gameplay?  as long as there are people on each side and somebody in your sector to shoot at what is the problem. its not like the whole 90rooks, 70nit, and 40bish are all in one sector.

thing that makes me laugh even more is that even when, in the magical land of perfection that we all seem to assume is easy to achieve, we get fully balanced arenas....someone will find something else to whine about.

no offence twitchy, this is direted t everyone i just choose your post to hijack..

Two weeks ago I noticed that at least 75% of the time, the Knight/Bish front is nonexistent.   I'm sorry to burst your hijack statement but, you are wrong.   All you need to do is see what fields are changing hands.   Again, 75% they are Rooks taking or losing Bish/Knight bases.   Bish and Knights will "grab a base or two" to keep it honest.    

I'm not making this up, lying, dreaming, etc.   I took two weeks off because I was sick of it.   You get worn out shooting down Bish/Knights that will in turn, come in here after participating in the above.   Come in here and whine about being "oppressed" and the "Evil Rook Allegience" has numerical superiority.  

What some fail to understand or just choose to ignore is the following:

Rooks: 70
Bish:  50
Knights: 40

It's often 70 Rooks against at least 70 combined.    This has been a trend for over 7 months now.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Zwerg on November 01, 2006, 09:52:38 AM

Early War, Mid War, Late War: Good idea.

2xLate War: Bad idea.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: richard_rd on November 01, 2006, 10:01:53 AM

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Originally posted by SlapShot
The pblm is our squad members mostly play during non prime time hours like midnight to 6AM EST, even though most of us live in the good ol USA. Like all the european squads have been complaining about there are just not enough members online at that time to have people split between 4 arena's. When there are only 60 to 120 total players logged into the arenas the game suffers if 10 players are in EW, 12 in MW, 40 in LW1, 23 in LW2.

So let me see if I understand this ...

During those hours, the problem has nothing to do with the arena caps ... It all has to do with all the other people playing in other arenas, enjoying themselves, and they are not not forced to play in an arena with you. So you want to force people to play with you so that you can enjoy yourself and screw what they enjoy.

Wow ... talk about selfish.

Did ya ever think that those who are flying in EW and MW don't want to have anything to do with LW and throughly enjoy playing and fighting with the plane sets offered in those arenas ?

I really don't need an answer to that question ... I already know the answer.

RANT ON!!!!!!!!!!

   LOL Slapshot, you are not to good at comprehension, or you don't finish reading a thread before you post your canned replies do you!!!!!   I said I did not care wich arena is active after hours, I have no problem with the plane sets offered in the EW and MW arena's, heck i actually prefer the AA setup with just 2 sides and a more restricted plane set offering as long as it rotated and would not just use the same 5 planes per side for more then a week straight.  

The pblm is not the plane sets, the pblm is that during non prime time there is not enough people playing in any one arena to make it fun for land grabers. The only people having fun are the milk runners padding their scores.

 I don't even think the furballers are having fun during this time because the numbers are so low they probably can't find fights quick enough.  I have nothing against furballers either, they are 50% of the community. I even spent most of my time on Furball Island on the old large donut map because that was insane furball action and was fun because you would be in fierce combat 30 seconds after liftoff!!!

The Arena's during non prime time are just becoming a Milk Runners paradise, and nothing more!!!  It is very sad!!!!!   :(  :(  :(

When there are 9 players in the EW or MW during non prime time that is 3 per side, they are not furballing as you probably suspect from your smart prettythang reply, they are Milk Running padding their scores and capturing undefended bases.

  RANT OFF!!!!!

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: SlapShot on November 01, 2006, 10:14:48 AM

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Originally posted by richard_rd
RANT ON!!!!!!!!!!

   LOL Slapshot, you are not to good at comprehension, or you don't finish reading a thread before you post your canned replies do you!!!!!   I said I did not care wich arena is active after hours, I have no problem with the plane sets offered in the EW and MW arena's, heck i actually prefer the AA setup with just 2 sides and a more restricted plane set offering as long as it rotated and would not just use the same 5 planes per side for more then a week straight.  

The pblm is not the plane sets, the pblm is that during non prime time there is not enough people playing in any one arena to make it fun for land grabers. The only people having fun are the milk runners padding their scores.

 I don't even think the furballers are having fun during this time because the numbers are so low they probably can't find fights quick enough.  I have nothing against furballers either, they are 50% of the community. I even spent most of my time on Furball Island on the old large donut map because that was insane furball action and was fun because you would be in fierce combat 30 seconds after liftoff!!!

The Arena's during non prime time are just becoming a Milk Runners paradise, and nothing more!!!  It is very sad!!!!!   :(  :(  :(

When there are 9 players in the EW or MW during non prime time that is 3 per side, they are not furballing as you probably suspect from your smart prettythang reply, they are Milk Running.  

  RANT OFF!!!!!

I read every bit of your post and I believe that I comprehended perfectly and there is nothing canned about my responses ... no more or less than yours.

During off hours you want just 1 arena and the heck with what everyone else might want ... as long as it suits you. You don't care what arena is active, EW, MW, or LW ... just as long as there is just one arena available.

While you don't care what the plane sets are ... you might just wonder if the others do care. There are some that are ecstatic about the EW plane set and don't ever care to fly Late War monsters ... so what do you do ... push them to an arena that they don't want to fly in ... so you could have fun ?

Think about ... if people ARE in those other arenas then THEY chose to go to those arenas and it doesn't matter what their reasons are for wanting to fly in those arenas.

If they were as bored as you might think and felt the same as you, don't you think that they would all migrate to just one arena so ya'all can play together ?

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: richard_rd on November 01, 2006, 12:26:40 PM

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Originally posted by SlapShot
I read every bit of your post and I believe that I comprehended perfectly and there is nothing canned about my responses ... no more or less than yours.

During off hours you want just 1 arena and the heck with what everyone else might want ... as long as it suits you. You don't care what arena is active, EW, MW, or LW ... just as long as there is just one arena available.

While you don't care what the plane sets are ... you might just wonder if the others do care. There are some that are ecstatic about the EW plane set and don't ever care to fly Late War monsters ... so what do you do ... push them to an arena that they don't want to fly in ... so you could have fun ?

Think about ... if people ARE in those other arenas then THEY chose to go to those arenas and it doesn't matter what their reasons are for wanting to fly in those arenas.

If they were as bored as you might think and felt the same as you, don't you think that they would all migrate to just one arena so ya'all can play together ?

LOL, you guys just don't get it!!!!!    I wish Hitech would take this to the ultimate extreem in arenas and offer 25 differant arena's, so that during prime time the avearge in each of the 25 arena's would be 10-20 players max, then maybe you thick headed idiots that mostly fly when the player base is large enough to support 4 arena's would start to see what the real issues are afterhours!!!

2-10 players per arena does not make for fun, mise well save my 15 bucks and fly in 8 player free arena's

10-20 players per arena is still very painfull unless you are just looking to furball or milkrun

20-30 players in a single arena still makes the land capture game boring as hell.

40-60 per arena is the bare minimum to make the land capture game interesting because remember half these players are still only furballing or milk running.

60-80 players per arena is playyable for land capture types, but still a little low

You really need at minimum 80 players or more in the same arena to make land capture type play truely enjoyable (again remember half these players are still furballing/milk running).  During non prime time this is now an imposability to get 80 players in the same arena so you are leaving 50% ( the half that really enjoy the stategic land grab win the war type) of the player base bored as hell if they can only mostly play after hours.

  If there were only 1 arena after hours everyone could have fun.  The furballers  could still furball (After hours there are not massive numbers of ubber palnes, even in the LW arena the planes in the air seem to be more evenly distributed for some reason, probably becuase of European players are flying more Axis stuff during these hours).

The milk runners could still milk run, but would just have a little harder time padding their scores.  

Set it up so the arena type (EW/MW/LW)  rotates weekly or after a map reset (war win).  LW still seems more popular even after hours so make the rotation favor that  ( ie...  LW then EW then LW then MW). Their would be the added benefit that if the current after hour arena type was not currently your favorite type then acheiving the goal of winning the war would have the added benfit of changing the arena type to one you may prefer better.

If HiTech keeps the Non Prime Time Arena's set up like it is currently, and the number of players don't start to grow enough to truely support multiple arenas ( ie... at least 60 plus players in an arena) then i feel that they will start loosing the strategic land grab type of player that can only play during these hours.  Maybe that is only 10-15% of the current overall player base, I don't know, but a 15% loss in revenue hurts most companies.  

After 3 yeras of loving this game I am very close to quitting, probably the only think stopping me is the hope that TOD (if it is ever released within our life times) may bring the fun back to the strtegic land grab war win type of player. I will probably only stick it out for 3 more months though to find out, because the fun and love of this game is dwindeling more and more.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: 1Boner on November 01, 2006, 12:43:14 PM

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Two weeks ago I noticed that at least 75% of the time, the Knight/Bish front is nonexistent.   I'm sorry to burst your hijack statement but, you are wrong.   All you need to do is see what fields are changing hands.   Again, 75% they are Rooks taking or losing Bish/Knight bases.   Bish and Knights will "grab a base or two" to keep it honest.    

I'm not making this up, lying, dreaming, etc.   I took two weeks off because I was sick of it.   You get worn out shooting down Bish/Knights that will in turn, come in here after participating in the above.   Come in here and whine about being "oppressed" and the "Evil Rook Allegience" has numerical superiority.  

What some fail to understand or just choose to ignore is the following:

Rooks: 70
Bish:  50
Knights: 40

It's often 70 Rooks against at least 70 combined.    This has been a trend for over 7 months now.

oppressed???    evil rook allegience????    lmfao!!!!!    i guess i was too busy gettin shot down to read that anywhere!!!  lol



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Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Kev367th on November 01, 2006, 01:03:45 PM

Makes you wonder huh.

Few nights ago both LW arenas had the poor Bish defending against two haords of Knits and Rooks.
Same thing as you said, but nothing going on on the Knit/Rook front this time, for the 3+ hours I was on anyway.

Numbers were within 10 of each other between the 3 countries, but it was basically a 2 v 1 due to the inactivity between the Rooks and Knits.

Yes I know it works the other way also, inactivtivty on Knit/Bish or Rook/Bish fronts.

Point is - Equal numbers doesn't mean diddly squat under these circumstances

Question is - Whats HT's magic cure for this then?

Of course this happened before the changes also, but the numbers tended to favor the defending side unless a reset was close.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: SlapShot on November 01, 2006, 01:22:23 PM

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Originally posted by richard_rd
LOL, you guys just don't get it!!!!!  blah blah blah ...

Oh ... but we do get it ... the people who are populating the arenas that they choose to fly in aren't playing with you or the way you would like them to play so you are having a hissy fit.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Platano on November 01, 2006, 02:54:10 PM

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Originally posted by Zwerg
Early War, Mid War, Late War: Good idea.

2xLate War: Bad idea.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Casper1 on November 01, 2006, 02:58:58 PM

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Oh ... but we do get it ... the people who are populating the arenas that they choose to fly in aren't playing with you or the way you would like them to play so you are having a hissy fit.

Whats with this attitude?  The guys are making a point, some ppl are onboard, and you and some others in this thread are trying wholeheartedly to reduce their points for what reason?  Because you want to be a better internet arguer?  I dont get why you smash ppl's thought about the play of the game when they are a paying customer too.

People play the game for various reasons...theirs is a reason, and thus, it is valid.  If you dont agree with it, provide a constructive counter point instead of acting like everyone except ppl inline with your thinkings are whiners and incompetent.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Mojava on November 01, 2006, 02:59:48 PM

I agree with you Twitchy and Zwerg . I would rather see more planes and more interesting maps , than see the LW server split.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: USRanger on November 01, 2006, 03:03:18 PM

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the people who are populating the arenas that they choose to fly in aren't playing with you or the way you would like them to play so you are having a hissy fit.

Gee, that sounds like a couple people I know:D

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: ghi on November 01, 2006, 03:30:27 PM

SEA still has 500 players caps, and "Europe" maps are built already
 I would like to see a massive more realistic AvA war for us, toolsheders, containing west/east front in SEA, 1945, bombing campaigns, going on like MA, until one team lose the war,


(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/johny35/ahhh.jpg)

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: SlapShot on November 01, 2006, 03:36:06 PM

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Originally posted by Casper1
Whats with this attitude?  The guys are making a point, some ppl are onboard, and you and some others in this thread are trying wholeheartedly to reduce their points for what reason?  Because you want to be a better internet arguer?  I dont get why you smash ppl's thought about the play of the game when they are a paying customer too.

People play the game for various reasons...theirs is a reason, and thus, it is valid.  If you dont agree with it, provide a constructive counter point instead of acting like everyone except ppl inline with your thinkings are whiners and incompetent.

Please ... It's not an attitude ... It's simply a counter-point to his point. It's you that walked in on the thread with the "big brother attitude".

If he or anyone else is going to make a "point" in a public forum (especially this forum), not expecting the possibility of someone disagreeing with them, and post with such expectations ... then they shouldn't post in the first place.

I didn't like the underlying foundation of his post(s) and posted as such ... simple as that.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: SlapShot on November 01, 2006, 03:37:02 PM

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Originally posted by USRanger
Gee, that sounds like a couple people I know:D

Ya think ...  ;)

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Mojava on November 01, 2006, 04:59:22 PM

Thats a great idea Ghi , I would like to also like to  see only two sides instead of three.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Hawco on November 01, 2006, 05:12:50 PM

I would probably refrain from pointing out  how bad it is to Skuzzy et al on here, doesn't matter how you post or what you post, the vocal minority will come on here and swoop down upon you while their fingers are going like crazy on the keyboard  to tell you the  same tiring/immature stuff:
1. If you don't like it move on.
2. It's HTC's game to do with as they want
3. give it a chance, it will get better
4. Any other sarcastic flame they can think of in the hopes of producing a laugh and gaining some 'cyber cred " and looking cool to the masses.
Just send an email or something, that way you deny them the oxygen of attention.
Hawco

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Mr No Name on November 01, 2006, 05:14:47 PM

I wish everyone who hated these changes would PM me an email addy...

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: CAV on November 02, 2006, 09:54:12 AM

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SEA still has 500 players caps, and "Europe" maps are built already  I would like to see a massive more realistic AvA war for us, toolsheders, containing west/east front in SEA, 1945, bombing campaigns, going on like MA, until one team lose the war,

Some of the best maps and plane match-ups are in AvA....

Its just never more than a hand full playing there. I would love to see some the numbers in the MA's start moving to AvA.

CAVALRY

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Mr No Name on November 02, 2006, 10:02:51 AM

yeah cav, i wish both LW arenas would empty into the SE or AVA arena just to have a "Pseudo MA" with larger numbers.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: hubsonfire on November 02, 2006, 12:09:50 PM

Well here's a new thread topic, and what a refreshing point of view at that.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: hitech on November 02, 2006, 12:27:38 PM

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60-80 players per arena is playyable for land capture types, but still a little low

You really need at minimum 80 players or more in the same arena to make land capture type play truely enjoyable (again remember half these players are still furballing/milk running). During non prime time this is now an imposability to get 80 players in the same arena so you are leaving 50% ( the half that really enjoy the stategic land grab win the war type) of the player base bored as hell if they can only mostly play after hours.

So exatly what is the problem?

And btw am considering closing Blue during non prime time.

HiTech

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Flayed1 on November 02, 2006, 12:59:29 PM

OHhhhhhh and HT with the SLAP!!!!! LOL  


  HT it's always nice to see stuff like this... For so many seeing is beliving.  and I also agree there dosn't look like much reason to keep blue open at those times. :)

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Overlag on November 02, 2006, 01:08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Masherbrum


What some fail to understand or just choose to ignore is the following:

Rooks: 70
Bish:  50
Knights: 40

It's often 70 Rooks against at least 70 combined.    This has been a trend for over 7 months now.

LOL...... couldnt be further from the truth, i generally only ever fight bish (i can never climb high enough to find rooks).


everyone will see it as there country getting ganged. And anyway, thats why the 3 country setup works..... because most "sain" people will decide to ignore there weaker one, and attack the stronger one. This makes it balance out properly. Hell, me and serenity took like 7 bases from bish last night and no one ever upped on the bish front. It wasnt "fun" but to be honest, if they leave the door open people are going to move in.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Hawco on November 02, 2006, 01:10:14 PM

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Originally posted by CAV
Some of the best maps and plane match-ups are in AvA....

Its just never more than a hand full playing there. I would love to see some the numbers in the MA's start moving to AvA.

CAVALRY

With you a 100% on that one Cav, I used to fly in the AvA 100% but due to low numbers i called it a day, great place to learn how to fly in though, you got great sticks like Storch, Platano, white 13 and kong, N7 to try and handle, you learn real fast or die real fast.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Overlag on November 02, 2006, 01:17:16 PM

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Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Overlag on November 02, 2006, 01:21:52 PM

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Originally posted by ghi
SEA still has 500 players caps, and "Europe" maps are built already
 I would like to see a massive more realistic AvA war for us, toolsheders, containing west/east front in SEA, 1945, bombing campaigns, going on like MA, until one team lose the war,


(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/johny35/ahhh.jpg)

id love that too, but it seems many dont :(

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Mojava on November 02, 2006, 01:22:57 PM

Why not just close the blue for good.

Title: Re: These New Arenas
Post by: Angry Samoan on November 02, 2006, 01:55:53 PM

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Originally posted by twitchy
Well I've held my tongue long enough, these new arenas BLOW.

twitchy there are many more that feel the same way, problem being there are to many lurkers (as myself) that monitor the BBS hoping things will change.

The numbers in LW prove MA is not dead. I say consolodate LW to 1 arena.
EW 1 arena  MW 1 arena.

Title: I am not happy.
Post by: Triumph on November 02, 2006, 02:05:15 PM

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Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Overlag on November 02, 2006, 02:31:52 PM

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Title: These New Arenas
Post by: hitech on November 02, 2006, 02:33:58 PM

Triumph: 2 problems with your post, one the #@@##@ type stuff, I would have let that slide, but the bold comment was out of bounds.

Feel free to post your exat same thoughts, but addhear to the bbs rules


HiTech

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Masherbrum on November 02, 2006, 02:35:48 PM

Deleted just for the quote.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: x0847Marine on November 02, 2006, 02:41:02 PM

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Originally posted by SlapShot
The pblm is our squad members mostly play during non prime time hours like midnight to 6AM EST, even though most of us live in the good ol USA. Like all the european squads have been complaining about there are just not enough members online at that time to have people split between 4 arena's. When there are only 60 to 120 total players logged into the arenas the game suffers if 10 players are in EW, 12 in MW, 40 in LW1, 23 in LW2.

So let me see if I understand this ...

During those hours, the problem has nothing to do with the arena caps ... It all has to do with all the other people playing in other arenas, enjoying themselves, and they are not not forced to play in an arena with you.

Hes talking about specific SQUADS and related difficulties, not what "other people" decide to do..

Try to keep up with the conversation next time.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Overlag on November 02, 2006, 02:42:55 PM

i only asked what happend to the 200 cap.... jesus :eek:

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: hitech on November 02, 2006, 02:44:49 PM

x0847Marine: Im realying trying to see your point of view how the post you quote is about squad difficulties? Can you describe what you mean?

HiTech

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: hitech on November 02, 2006, 02:47:31 PM

If I deleted the 200 post, sorry some how I must have clicked wrong for delete. Btw nothing has happen to them, durring non prime time they are set to 200 caps.

HiTech

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Overlag on November 02, 2006, 02:55:21 PM

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Originally posted by hitech
If I deleted the 200 post, sorry some how I must have clicked wrong for delete. Btw nothing has happen to them, durring non prime time they are set to 200 caps.

HiTech

oh ok, i did think that after i posted... but wasnt sure.

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Hap on November 02, 2006, 02:57:17 PM

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Originally posted by ghi
SEA still has 500 players caps, and "Europe" maps are built already
 I would like to see a massive more realistic AvA war for us, toolsheders, containing west/east front in SEA, 1945, bombing campaigns, going on like MA, until one team lose the war,


(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/johny35/ahhh.jpg)

I agree ghi.  Just went into Special Events Arena.  Someone closing it in 3 mins.  Would be nice to fly in an enviroment that has aesthetic appeal like Trinity.

European maps . . . wouldn't that be wonderful.  Could have names of cities instead of A22 for example.  Recognizable land masses.  

Who knows, maybe HTC is working on that very thing as we speak.

Regards,

hap

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Overlag on November 02, 2006, 02:59:07 PM

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Originally posted by Hap
I agree ghi.  Just went into Special Events Arena.  Someone closing it in 3 mins.  Would be nice to fly in an enviroment that has aesthetic appeal like Trinity.

European maps . . . wouldn't that be wonderful.  Could have names of cities instead of A22 for example.  Recognizable land masses.  

Who knows, maybe HTC is working on that very thing as we speak.

Regards,

hap

A3 being my home town :D

Title: These New Arenas
Post by: Oldman731 on November 02, 2006, 07:39:27 PM

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Originally posted by Hap
European maps . . . wouldn't that be wonderful.  Could have names of cities instead of A22 for example.  Recognizable land masses.  

You know, guys....

It always takes the first person to open up an arena.  Just go in there (AvA is a good pick), grab one of the enabled planes, and fly around for a bit.  (It's the only way I ever figured out how to drop bombs, and I'm actually learning to shoot ack and to fly inverted through hangers.)  Tell yourself that if no one shows in the next ten minutes, you'll leave.  Sometimes no one shows (how do you think I've been able to visit all of the other arenas?), but generally someone does, and the snowball builds from there.

- oldman