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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LYNX on November 03, 2006, 02:41:01 PM
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It's 3dr November 8.28 PM UK approx 3.28 eastern
........Bish Knights Rooks
LWO 50 43 26....who's ganging who
LWB 25 37 42.....who's ganging who
EW 6 7 13.......Who's ganging who
MW 4 3 9........who's ganging who
TOTAL 85 90 90 who woulda been ganged
Total numbers almost even but every arena unbalanced. The solutions isn't me changing sides to kill a squaddies. Cascade of some kind all hinged off the lead arena. SlapShot got the closest so far.
The above is not acceptable and folks is getting miffed. "Unhealthy"!
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Originally posted by LYNX
The solutions isn't me changing sides to kill a squaddies.
Sure it is.
- oldman
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Sorry, doesn't look all that bad to me.
RTR
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Sure it is.
- oldman
this is just WRONG.
with the old single arena maybe...
the problem now is, if you are loosing in 1 arena, you quit and go to another. So you have one arena with too many of you, and one with none.
LW arenas are a perfect example of this. the "first" arena which is filled during offpeak is balanced. however the side thats loosing starts to quit, and join the 2nd arena. The 1st ends up at the cap, but with 45/55/20 for example. the 2nd arena will be something like 20/10/50.
No amount of country side changing will fix this issues. And as the first post showed, the TOTAL numbers are EVEN.
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Originally posted by RTR
Sorry, doesn't look all that bad to me.
RTR
I see you are not an ordinary person along with the bod above your post
Bish Knight rooks ...same day 11.PM UK 6PM Eastern
68 48 37 LWO
29 44 45 LWB
10 11 16 EW
11 7 11 MW
109 110 119 TOTAL
Still 4 arena outta whack. Everyone is the spirit of side balancing ya think ?
Hey any one good with %'s ?
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Originally posted by LYNX
I see you are not an ordinary person along with the bod above your post
Bish Knight rooks ...same day 11.PM UK 6PM Eastern
68 48 37 LWO
29 44 45 LWB
10 11 16 EW
11 7 11 MW
109 110 119 TOTAL
Still 4 arena outta whack. Everyone is the spirit of side balancing ya think ?
Hey any one good with %'s ?
well switch sides lynx.
some of you guys compain about not wanting to shoot at squaddies, then get your squaddies to switch as well. the whole 'i'm loyal to my chess piece' thing is silly.
just go for it. i quite like flying against bigger numbers, but i am a minority of course.
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switch sides? how does that solve the issue? the issue is people quitting and going to the other arena... one with too many, one with too little players.
overall the numbers are EVEN, its there placement that is not
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If i whooped a dead horse this much, theyed haul me of to jail
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
well switch sides lynx.
some of you guys compain about not wanting to shoot at squaddies, then get your squaddies to switch as well. the whole 'i'm loyal to my chess piece' thing is silly.
just go for it. i quite like flying against bigger numbers, but i am a minority of course.
Here are me choices after being a rook in LW Orange as a rook. Coulda changed to bish or Knit and made it JUST 36 rook.
OR
LW Blue changed to Bish or Knight where Rooks were the higher number.
OR
Go to 1 of the VASTLY underpopulated arenas. Arena that I have ab-soddin-lutly no desire to join.
While I'm here. Did you not read this ----->Everyone in the spirit of side balancing ya think ?
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What is possibility of filtering out people of the absurdly-large-dweeb-ridden-country at the arena selection screen? Perhaps a certain % of population over the other countries would make it kick in--mebbe give them a chance to change countries beFORE specific arena login, and freeze them there an hour or so
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Agreed balance is all messed up.
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Originally posted by Overlag
switch sides? how does that solve the issue? the issue is people quitting and going to the other arena... one with too many, one with too little players.
overall the numbers are EVEN, its there placement that is not
Well well ... now people who are getting the watermelon knocked out of them have other choices ... had they tried to balance in the first place and not overwhelmed one side ... they might have stuck around.
So ... people who are having the snot beat out of them have other choices instead of logging like they did in the old days.
Hey ... yeah you ... get back here so I can wack the crap outta yous guys.
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I dunno last night the bish were ganging in the EW. an open truce was declared and mostly respected between the nits and the rooks. the bish were dropping like so much cannon fodder as usual, the sun rose this morning at dawn, fahami opened his little store and the local winos bought beer for breakfast. the world seems in order. what did I miss?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Well well ... now people who are getting the watermelon knocked out of them have other choices ... had they tried to balance in the first place and not overwhelmed one side ... they might have stuck around.
So ... people who are having the snot beat out of them have other choices instead of logging like they did in the old days.
Hey ... yeah you ... get back here so I can wack the crap outta yous guys.
The point I'm making is...You can wack the crap outta me in 1 arena and then I can wack the crap outta you in the other arena. Then we can chace each other around ALL the soddin arenas all night long and still not get in a situation that is balanced.
Do you really want to be on the over numbered side ? Do you want to be outnumbered side. You want to be the gang banger or the bangie ?
So far you came up with the nearist to best solution as I stated in the OPENING thread, however you are entitled to change your mind.
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Why is it that the most that whine about the new arena changes are pretty much all the ones that need the security blanket of the hord.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Why is it that the most that whine about the new arena changes are pretty much all the ones that need the security blanket of the hord.
ack-ack
At least WE have friends.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Well well ... now people who are getting the watermelon knocked out of them have other choices ... had they tried to balance in the first place and not overwhelmed one side ... they might have stuck around.
So ... people who are having the snot beat out of them have other choices instead of logging like they did in the old days.
Hey ... yeah you ... get back here so I can wack the crap outta yous guys.
thing is, we whine people dont want to fight, then you are basicaly saying its ok for them to quit and not fight...which side you on? :)
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Ak-Ak might be a high-alt O2 consuming 38 elitist tard, but I like him.
;)
Who are you in game, MrNoGame?
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You know me by another name... You have always called me "Daddy"
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I'm steadily losing enjoyment specifically BECAUSE of the imbalance. I like fights where there are large but overall EQUAL red and green bars in the sector. This is now a RARITY during peak hours, especially in LW since HTC cut the max caps and split to two LW arenas again the end of last month.
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welcome to the Aces High Furball Arenas.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
You know me by another name... You have always called me "Daddy"
Is that why I'm so ugly? Thanks, makes sense now.
:aok
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Originally posted by john9001
welcome to the Aces High Furball Arenas.
:cry
Nothing stops you from taking a base. Maybe in the more spread out arenas you just don't have the overwhelimg odds of the horde you need to get the job done.
And btw are you crying because people aren't playing your way? If they want to furball, let em. Or try to get them to join a mission. Ever think of that?
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Originally posted by storch
I dunno last night the bish were ganging in the EW. an open truce was declared and mostly respected between the nits and the rooks. the bish were dropping like so much cannon fodder as usual, the sun rose this morning at dawn, fahami opened his little store and the local winos bought beer for breakfast. the world seems in order. what did I miss?
Yes, that was much fun all around. Mostly respected truce :furious N7 and who ever that was in the rook F4F that dove on my Ju88s and then collided and crashed :p
You know reading the 1500th post on this topic I think I see what part of the side balancing, arena jumping issue may be
Originally posted by Overlag
the problem now is, if you are loosing in 1 arena, you quit and go to another. So you have one arena with too many of you, and one with none.
LW arenas are a perfect example of this. the "first" arena which is filled during offpeak is balanced. however the side thats loosing starts to quit and join the 2nd arena.
What is this losing thing you speak of? Why would someone worry about losing? Are people so wraped up in this GAME that they worry about losing? 20 perk points?
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slap****et, storch, ack wack
You are what we call tankers
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wipass your what we call a chode:aok
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Originally posted by wipass
slap****et, storch, ack wack
You are what we call tankers
Whoa, kid, easy there... and what brought this out?
:lol
:huh
:noid :noid
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pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "tanker"? I'm guessing is has nothing to do with GVs.
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Originally posted by wipass
slap****et, storch, ack wack
You are what we call tankers
and you're commonly referred as an arse in these neck of the woods.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by storch
I dunno last night the bish were ganging in the EW. an open truce was declared and mostly respected between the nits and the rooks. the bish were dropping like so much cannon fodder as usual, the sun rose this morning at dawn, fahami opened his little store and the local winos bought beer for breakfast. the world seems in order. what did I miss?
zOMFG!!!!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Airscrew
What is this losing thing you speak of? Why would someone worry about losing? Are people so wraped up in this GAME that they worry about losing? 20 perk points?
Please keep up, Airscrew. There is a large group of people who find no joy in air combat itself. They are here for the simplified war game aspect of AH2.
I expected that you would have paid better attention.
- oldman
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The point I'm making is...You can wack the crap outta me in 1 arena and then I can wack the crap outta you in the other arena. Then we can chace each other around ALL the soddin arenas all night long and still not get in a situation that is balanced.
And the reason is ... because most people don't want to change sides or most people need numbers to survive and be successful ... pick one ... or both.
Do you really want to be on the over numbered side ? Do you want to be outnumbered side. You want to be the gang banger or the bangie ?
99.9% of the time ... I am flying for the least populated side ... because I try to balance/help ... but I am only 1 person. Flying for the outnumbered side usually keeps me occupied with plenty of fights ... and that is mainly what I am here for.
So far you came up with the nearist to best solution as I stated in the OPENING thread, however you are entitled to change your mind.
Not changing my mind ... my solution only rewards those who will choose to fly with the lesser populated countries and at the same time it will work towards balancing the arena ... so those who refuse to change sides now ... well ... it will be of no help to them ... they would still be the ones on the outside looking in if it were implemented.
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Originally posted by Overlag
thing is, we whine people dont want to fight, then you are basicaly saying its ok for them to quit and not fight...which side you on? :)
Oh, I am not condoning what they are doing ... I can just understand it.
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Originally posted by wipass
slap****et, storch, ack wack
You are what we call tankers
Originally posted by FBBone
pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "tanker"? I'm guessing is has nothing to do with GVs.
PETROL TANKER ... Cockney rhyming slang for an obnoxious person (banana).
Did he just call me a name ... :cry ... I am not going to be able to sleep tonight and I will probably lay on the couch all day tomorrow pouting.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Airscrew
What is this losing thing you speak of? Why would someone worry about losing? Are people so wraped up in this GAME that they worry about losing? 20 perk points?
constantly dying, or getting ganged is BORING. Someone gets ganged, they quit and move to arena that has better numbers (FOR THEM) but then make it even worse on the guys they left in the 1st..... so they quit too..... it snowballs out of control.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
What is this losing thing you speak of? Why would someone worry about losing? Are people so wraped up in this GAME that they worry about losing? 20 perk points?
The point of playing any game is to win is it not? The Air combat is 1 part of the bigger game. AH provides so much more than just that one part.. I have no problem if you Just like to fly a fighter and shoot people down, I like it also but I also get enjoyment from the rest of the game that HiTech has programed. If HT didn't want anyone to play beyond the simple furball he would have quit programing right after he got the planes and flight models for those planes done.
Also I get tired of people trying to constantly make out that the lousy 20 or what ever perk points is the reason to win the war... I have a few thousand perks in all catagories so the reset perks are just silly to me. :) I hardly fly any perk planes any way.
Lastly again on the side swaping. I still wouldn't want to change sides at least untill we got to a reset.. I want to fight for 1 side untill we win or lose the war.. I think the ENY restrictions are a good way to help with unbalanced #'s and HT says he is working on smoothing it out so we'll see. Those that don't like being limited in planes and that don't mind jumping will do so. Those of us that don't care will live with it. Not to meantion I usually fly planes that are not touched by the ENY so I'm fine with it.
I can see the possibility of going to the side with lowest #'s at login but what happens when the #'s get high again on what ever side I'm on? I have to jump back over to the first side and help them win even though I was just trying to help the other side win?
Again it comes down to---- Changing sides works fine for those that just want some good old fighter combat and that is ok by me, but jumping dosn't work so well for those that are going for the longer ranging goals in the game.
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If one side (say "A") outnumbers others, ppl in that side usually just milkrun, steamroll and vulch instead of switch side. After some time ppl in inferior side becomes tired been ganged and vulched, leave this arena and join another. Ppl in side "A" either continues to fight with bildings and "win war" (tm) or go to forum and whine because they now dont have enough targets.
Funny, isnt it? :huh
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Any capable fighter pilot can up an uber ride and kill more than 5 enemy. with the ENY restrictions.
My biggest grief lately has been these same maps.
But if we had those even numbers on a big map lynx we still had one country getting ganged on both fronts myself and my squad flew nit for a good 6 months to help them out.
It wasn't pretty knights would get bullied and harassed. Least with the new setup its on a smaller scale. i'd rather fight 6 vs 1 over a base than 30 vs 5. I know that with a little help we can repulse an attack whereas the old style setup we wouldnt stand a chance.
what I'm trying to say is numbers arent everything i'd rather have quality pilots on my side vs bish dweeb horde anyday and even if they do reset the map I would have had fun getting a large portion of kills.
Bruv
~S~
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My problem is Im too lazy to bounce around maintaining balance for the arenas.
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Originally posted by wipass
slap****et, storch, ack wack
You are what we call tankers
actually what I am is a noah's ark. go pack sand, tin lid.
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Human nature of the horde dweeb has to be overcome here:
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/bj229r/ahss9.jpg)
Notice the large # of planes on the bish-nit border:furious
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The main thing that attracted me to this game was the Massive Online format. HUGE numbers of planes in battle all at once, and they were all PEOPLE. If I wanted 2 on 1's, or 3 on 3's, I would play IL2 in a smaller arena.
The problem with side balancing is always going to be there without an auto balance. The only answer to that is locking a side up for new players to come into it when it has a certain percentage over the lowest side, forcing the players to play for another "chess piece". (I hear the, "I pay to play, and I can play where I want!" whines coming!)
But that was a little offtrack from my main point.
Now instead of having one large arena with huge furballs, and options on where to go play, there are the same size maps, with the same imbalance, with the not so epic battle going on in land, sea, and air. (Yes, there are boats and tanks in this game, and they are not going anywhere)
Before, if you wanted to get away from the Horde, you would just go somewhere else. I normally didn't have a hard time finding a small fight if I didn't feel like playing alt monkey over a 75 plane fight just so stay alive the longest, only to wind up on the bottom after 7 or 8 kills, out of ammo, and heading home with somebody chasing me with a 10k alt advantage. They are mostly small fights it appears, without the option to go escort bombers, knock the crap outta bases with 20 of my squaddiesin planes and tanks to face huge opposition, or go pick a small fight with a couple other airplanes in a hordeless corner of the arena.
I'm curious as to how the health of the game population is doing, and if there have been more paying players since the change, or less. If there are more players now than before, then I am in the minority. If less, then maybe some change should occur from a business standpoint. The allure of the game is dead for me, because now it's a box game, and not a massive online experience.
Now there is a small MA, with several Combat Theatres of old.
S! and let's see how things play out in the long run!
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before we had one arena with three sides and no real place for anything but about 5% of the plane set to be competitive If you liked early war planes, you were SOL for the most part...
... in this arena it mattered not what the numbers were because everyone was in a whorde and milkrunning in a huge circle jerk of hiding from each other... if you stayed on for an hour or two you might find a fight had broken out on some little corner of the map but...
It the "strat" girls who "love good gameplay' found it... they would shut it down a soon as possible.
Now... we have 4 arenas with 12 choices of what side to be on depending... we have twelve choices of country and style and within those choices... usually at least 2 or 3 places in each to take off and find a good fight. and.. it will only get better as those who came here with the whorde mentality leave.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Swarmed
The main thing that attracted me to this game was the Massive Online format. HUGE numbers of planes in battle all at once, and they were all PEOPLE. If I wanted 2 on 1's, or 3 on 3's, I would play IL2 in a smaller arena.
The problem with side balancing is always going to be there without an auto balance. The only answer to that is locking a side up for new players to come into it when it has a certain percentage over the lowest side, forcing the players to play for another "chess piece". (I hear the, "I pay to play, and I can play where I want!" whines coming!)
But that was a little offtrack from my main point.
Now instead of having one large arena with huge furballs, and options on where to go play, there are the same size maps, with the same imbalance, with the not so epic battle going on in land, sea, and air. (Yes, there are boats and tanks in this game, and they are not going anywhere)
Before, if you wanted to get away from the Horde, you would just go somewhere else. I normally didn't have a hard time finding a small fight if I didn't feel like playing alt monkey over a 75 plane fight just so stay alive the longest, only to wind up on the bottom after 7 or 8 kills, out of ammo, and heading home with somebody chasing me with a 10k alt advantage. They are mostly small fights it appears, without the option to go escort bombers, knock the crap outta bases with 20 of my squaddiesin planes and tanks to face huge opposition, or go pick a small fight with a couple other airplanes in a hordeless corner of the arena.
I'm curious as to how the health of the game population is doing, and if there have been more paying players since the change, or less. If there are more players now than before, then I am in the minority. If less, then maybe some change should occur from a business standpoint. The allure of the game is dead for me, because now it's a box game, and not a massive online experience.
Now there is a small MA, with several Combat Theatres of old.
S! and let's see how things play out in the long run!
That's exactly how I feel but Lazs thinks we just need to leave.
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I've noticed that all the supporters seem to be under the impression that the dissenters all fall under one of these catagories:
ElGay Ho'n'Go vulch dweebs
Whorde dweebs
The BAD strat guys (the ones who knock down a FH only for the purpose of stopping a furball thinking it gets the FB'ers to help with the war aspects. I've flown with plenty of base captures that REQUESTED the FH's to be dropped).
This is NOT the case, and it's starting to burn me up that the dissenters are basically being told that for those reasons we have no right to voice OUR opinion.
Let me set the record straight here:
I wouldn't touch the cockpit of an ElGay with a hundred-foot pole. If I'm in a HO it's most likely because of a friggen Hurri2C insta-reversing on me, and I vulch only as part of base capture.
I am NOT with the whorde. I look for large but BALANCED fights.
I WILL advocate dropping an FH at a target if it's part of a base capture attempt, but NOT for no reason than to stop a furball, because I WILL furball if I'm in the mood to.
Stop lumping everyone who disagrees with the changes in just because they disagree. I'm more and more getting the impression from threads like this that I'm being told I'm not ENTITLED to my opinion. It's CLEAR that switching sides is not going to correct the problem, because it's already been proven that there's not enough people WILLING to switch. If the system worked as intended guys shouldn't HAVE to switch and fight against their friends on a country in the first place.
I wish some of the guys opposed to the change from in-game chat would start posting on the forum. I think you'll find the pro/against numbers would change DRASTICALLY because online the opinion is FAR more negative than on the boards.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Human nature of the horde dweeb has to be overcome here:
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/bj229r/ahss9.jpg)
Notice the large # of planes on the bish-nit border:furious
Beej, only you and myself have said this at various times. <> bro
This has been the "Rooks are Numbers potatos". Again, 80 Rooks, 65 Knights, and 55 Bish translates to 80 Rooks fighting around 100 combined. With the 20 being "token Bish/knit" border fighters.
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Originally posted by lazs2
before we had one arena with three sides and no real place for anything but about 5% of the plane set to be competitive If you liked early war planes, you were SOL for the most part...
If you like early stuff in a 1 arena MA then you need skills enough to use those planes otherwise you run the risk of a competative plane set whine. You either got it or you ain't and lets face it in a turn fight slower early planes have the ADVANTAGE.
... in this arena it mattered not what the numbers were because everyone was in a whorde and milkrunning in a huge circle jerk of hiding from each other... if you stayed on for an hour or two you might find a fight had broken out on some little corner of the map but...
What a load off Tosh. You must be the only guy that logs on and see's this day in day out. You constantly talk like this was a daily occurance. A regular event..... Load of b***ks! Here's what your grief comes down to :- if you stayed on for an hour or two As I'v said of you in the past all you wanna do is turn in and up your F4F in a 1 minute flight to the fight. ..... Free 8 man style ain't MA.
It the "strat" girls who "love good gameplay' found it... they would shut it down a soon as possible.
You must have a "stalker". They are prolly pissed off listen to the same whine for the last 6 yrs they find out exactly what field your uping from in your 1 minute flight to a fight and avacado ya hangers. Someone has it in for you and you alone.
Now... we have 4 arenas with 12 choices of what side to be on depending... we have twelve choices of country and style and within those choices... usually at least 2 or 3 places in each to take off and find a good fight. and.. it will only get better as those who came here with the whorde mentality leave.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Glad your concerned bout HTC's business enough for alot of the punters to leave. What happens if the remaining punters ain't interested in EW or MW ?
"Side swapping" isn't happening......fact. The very thing you seemed to think happened daily in the old MA is compounded, MAGnatised in 4 arena's now. 4 arena's with the same handfull of maps.
Lazs2 me ol fruit explain to me whats "healthy" about the situation now.
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Jesus, this damn eny crap is the gayest thing i have ever seen. They really need to stop the madness. Are they sitting there and trying to find ways to screw up a good game? The last 3 days in the arena have sucked. The only planes I could get were crap due to the high eny. I minored in history for 2 years in college and call me crazy.....but I DON'T REMEMBER ANY ENY CRIPPLER DURING WWII. WTF?
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Originally posted by golddredger
Jesus, this damn eny crap is the gayest thing i have ever seen. They really need to stop the madness. Are they sitting there and trying to find ways to screw up a good game? The last 3 days in the arena have sucked. The only planes I could get were crap due to the high eny. I minored in history for 2 years in college and call me crazy.....but I DON'T REMEMBER ANY ENY CRIPPLER DURING WWII. WTF?
It PROBABLY means you are flying as a Bish in one of the LW arenas in which they have more guys than the other 2 countries combined. How can you have fun if you have a 2:1 advantage over your enemy? More and more, I'm getting into Laz's camp on this stuff--- my fighter skills will never make anyone forget the Red Baron, but I can't see what sense of accomplishment comes from kills had from a 50 plane horde running over 5-6 defenders
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Originally posted by bj229r
but I can't see what sense of accomplishment comes from kills had from a 50 plane horde running over 5-6 defenders
You'd think, but to listen to them slapping each other in the butt and wtg'ing each other as they steamroll, they don't seem to get it. They just see they are "winning." ROFL.
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Nope, I've been a happy rook since I joined a few years ago.
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Exactly, Stang, thats' my point. Just because one side or the other has more ground, people, etc.......I've got to put up with planes that are crap, at least crap for the defense that is needed. Today I wanted to help defend a base that was being overrun, but the eny was 29 so I couldn't get any of my planes of choice. I was repeatedly vulched until I finally gave it the middle finger. When there are vulchers overhead, a p-38 aint gonna cut it. My fav is a nik but of course it's eny was 5. Bull****, pure Bull****.
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Jeez, if the eny was 29, you must have had an incredible # of people online in your country---try upping a base a sector back with some of that human excess, come in high, and break the vulch. Ya get enough guys, athe P40 wil do it.
(the other obvious thing...if your base is under vulch, WHAT plane IS useful? Ya roll 30 feet and 5 guys are puring lead into ya)
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The Nik-1 is excellent in those conditions. Tightest turn of any plane in the game. And it gets off the ground quickly and performs really well at slow speeds, as in just having taken off kind of speeds.
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Originally posted by golddredger
The Nik-1 is excellent in those conditions. Tightest turn of any plane in the game.
There are several planes that can turn tighter than a Nikki. For example both A6M, Spit I, Spit V, Val, Hurri I & II and a few more
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ya, i really don't see any valid argument about complaining when your country clearly outnumbers another country. eny is to help prevent this. if you can't defend your own fields with a huge number advantage, i would be wondering where everyone else is on the map. i could make a few guesses. steam rolling empty bases and vulching other pieces of territory for the glory of the empire would be near the top of the list.
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Originally posted by golddredger
The Nik-1 is excellent in those conditions. Tightest turn of any plane in the game. And it gets off the ground quickly and performs really well at slow speeds, as in just having taken off kind of speeds.
I'll shoot you down ALL DAY LONG in a Spit 1, Spit 5, Hurry 1, IIC, La5 & La7. I'll also outturn you while I'm doing it.
You made my evening.
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Kinda funny you'd say that...........the planes you listed are the easiest to get away from, especially in a nik. You must be really good at sneaking up behind em. Oh I almost forgot, I love La-7's, especially when I'm flying "the 110 of death" :)
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Originally posted by golddredger
Kinda funny you'd say that...........the planes you listed are the easiest to get away from, especially in a nik. You must be really good at sneaking up behind em. Oh I almost forgot, I love La-7's, especially when I'm flying "the 110 of death" :)
Ask Sads. I wasn't playing this game more than three months and he played hell in a Spit 9 to get me in a 109G6. I had the plane down to 80 and almost made him pancake more than twice. Not to mention the MASSIVE scissors moves he was forced to do.
Again, any of the planes I listed will make that Niki confetti. I had no problem flying below 100mph, or keeping the nose down at 550mph in an La7 when I flew em. Sorry, but I think you are boasting uninformed. The La7 is the best overall plane in the game for a "Pure Fighter". I'll outturn you ALL DAY LONG in an La7 matched to the Niki. The ONLY person I would fear in a Niki, would be Wax, that's it.
You see sadly, since 95% of the folks who fly the La7, HO or BnZ. The other 5% shocks the watermelon out of others by turning and making the "misinformed" pay dearly. I'm a turnfighter, and no you won't get away if I'm behind you in any of those. I'm sorry.
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5 years goes fast :)
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Originally posted by Booz
5 years goes fast :)
That's how old my son Ian is, the last 5 have gone by like a Light Year.
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You know, it seemed like I was always upping in a different plane each week, and sticking with the one I was getting kills in. One week, I'd be chopping everything up in a 190, next week I couldn't kill squat in it.
LA7 flies like a lazer gun when I fly it, but for some reason, it's one of the easier planes for me to kill.
I always had a blast upping an early war plane and kicking a newer planes butt with it. That takes skill and a bit of luck in some situations, but always fun.
I agree with not liking the "Horde Mentality" when it's 50 vs 8. But 50 vs 50, OH YEAH, that's a fight!
If you want a 1v1, or 5v5, check out the DA or the AvA. The MA setting in my opinion was around for a MASSIVE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER EXPERIENCE!
It seems like the few that want a clean dogfight, shouldn't be in a combined arms scenario like the MA's. It's not the place for it.
And for the record, if you're taking land for your "chess piece", then the best way to do it is to keep the enemy from taking off in the first place. And the best way to do that is to drop hangers, plain and simple.
Taking and defending bases is fun. If it's not supposed to be part of the game, let's just have 5 bases on each side that aren't untakable, and there will be a constant fight between the bases...
but that wouldn't stick to the spirit of things would it? High alt bombers hitting a target on the ground for a reason (to take a base or kill strats), ground pounders hitting GV's attacking a base, dogfights to keep enemy fighters off of bases and their own GV's...
There is a time and place for a 1v1, or a "clean" dogfight, the MA isn't it. The MA is a simulated WAR, and nothing is fair in war. There's always going to be the guy with more alt, more ammo, a faster plane, etc... etc... etc....
Hopefully things will return to my idea of sanity sometime in the near future so I can come back and enjoy the game I played for three years before things changed.
S!
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Originally posted by golddredger
The Nik-1 is excellent in those conditions. Tightest turn of any plane in the game. And it gets off the ground quickly and performs really well at slow speeds, as in just having taken off kind of speeds.
LOL! You haven't been playing long have you? There are many planes that out perform the N1K2, a well flown P-38 being one of them.
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Originally posted by Swarmed
You know, it seemed like I was always upping in a different plane each week, and sticking with the one I was getting kills in. One week, I'd be chopping everything up in a 190, next week I couldn't kill squat in it.
exact same here... last tour my 190a8 kills was quiet high (mostly buffs but some fighters in there.) this tour, i cant hit squat with it..... im even missing the buffs!
seems i can only hit things with 50s... ive been enjoying the FM2, F4u1, and P47d11 hmmmm.
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ya especially one with 107k of alt advantage aided by a host of supporting limpwrists in other twin engined gravity defying lazer armed pink dress wearing cartoon heros to help you with that single threat wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy down there.
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For the record, F4U-4 > La-7, but that's another thread.
Anyway, the problem is that Lynx brings up a good point and the same group of guys come in and lay into it. The "solutions" offered aren't going to work. What is the horded team supposed to do things if the guys in the horde won't switch sides and balance things out? They go to another arena, where THEY have the numbers advantage, and leave their friends sticking it out another hand down.
The other night I even tried to recruit guys from an arena where MY country had the horde to help out in the arena where we were down 40 to 1, and NO ONE CAME. Between that and the attitude around here is proof that the players AREN'T going to fix this themselves. No one can even DISCUSS this without attacking the people posting their differences of opinion. It's the furballers vs toolshedders all over again. No one is willing to budge on a solution that helps EVERYONE.
Things have all been suggested, and either ignored or flamed because "Well that's not how it is, HTC isn't going to change it, so STFU because *I* like it this way and my opinion means more than yours."
Reduce # of arenas: Maybe there IS too manychoices. Reduce to two arenas--early to mid, and mid to late, and increase caps to 350ish. Numbers will be better spread out between them (the LW arenas tonight were bumped to caps of ~300+ and were MUCH better balanced, at least the one I flew in, than they had been).
Make it 2 countries instead of 3.
Put a max cap on country size--either switch or go to a different arena.
Heck, why does it have to be early/mid/late? Why not divide them based on theater of operations? Three arenas: European Theater Western and Eastern Fronts, and Pacific Theater. ElGay dweebs get the Eastern Front, and guys who want to fly earlier birds without worrying about with the warp-speed cherry-picking HO-n-Go LAs can do so.
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BJ you are wrong to assume that it is only bish that have #'s... I have been around for a bit and the #'s go up and down for each country... I have seen more of a fluctuation in these small arenas than I ever did in the old MA.
The point is each side has some point during the day when they have #'s.
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Originally posted by storch
ya especially one with 107k of alt advantage aided by a host of supporting limpwrists in other twin engined gravity defying lazer armed pink dress wearing cartoon heros to help you with that single threat wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy down there.
You're still bitter over that arse kicking I gave ya, aren't ya? It's time you let it go Storchita, all that repressed homo..err anger is going to ruin your life.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
BJ you are wrong to assume that it is only bish that have #'s... I have been around for a bit and the #'s go up and down for each country... I have seen more of a fluctuation in these small arenas than I ever did in the old MA.
The point is each side has some point during the day when they have #'s.
True but like I've said on 200 many times, I do NOT see Rooks posting threads when Bish or Knights have the numerical advantage. However, the Knights and Bish have NO PROBLEM whining in here when Rooks outnumber them.
These threads are sort of like the Bish/Knights whining about an ENY Limiter for an RJO Sunday night that hadn't been used in over a YEAR at that point.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Why is it that the most that whine about the new arena changes are pretty much all the ones that need the security blanket of the hord.
ack-ack
For conversation sake...
Why is every post that is not condescending to Aces High or current policy called a whine...
Followed immediately by some dweeb who needs to make a personal attack?
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Originally posted by Flayed1
BJ you are wrong to assume that it is only bish that have #'s... I have been around for a bit and the #'s go up and down for each country... I have seen more of a fluctuation in these small arenas than I ever did in the old MA.
The point is each side has some point during the day when they have #'s.
True enough, but since last month or 2, LW seems ruled by Bish--mostly due to the utter LACK of Bish in EW and WW
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Originally posted by Flayed1
BJ you are wrong to assume that it is only bish that have #'s... I have been around for a bit and the #'s go up and down for each country... I have seen more of a fluctuation in these small arenas than I ever did in the old MA.
The point is each side has some point during the day when they have #'s.
Actually, if ya look at the LARGER of the 2 LW arenas in prime time EST, Bish all seem to gravitate to that one place-in fact, go to the largest ANY time it is capped, or nearly capped, and bish will wayy outnumber both the other sides--not because there ARE more bish, but simply that they tend to prefer LW, and predictably want to hang together
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BIZARRE
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Originally posted by 4510
For conversation sake...
Why is every post that is not condescending to Aces High or current policy called a whine...
Followed immediately by some dweeb who needs to make a personal attack?
while there may have been a post or two with actual constructive critism, most haven't been. For an example, just read the first post on this thread and then try and come and tell us all that it isn't a whine. You're dismissed.
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Now instead of having one large arena with huge furballs, and options on where to go play, there are the same size maps, with the same imbalance, with the not so epic battle going on in land, sea, and air. (Yes, there are boats and tanks in this game, and they are not going anywhere)
LOLH what dream land were you flying in the old MA??? What you describe did not exist in the old MA that is why we are where we are. ;)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
while there may have been a post or two with actual constructive critism, most haven't been. For an example, just read the first post on this thread and then try and come and tell us all that it isn't a whine. You're dismissed.
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Oh!.. God forgive me for the whine..... God forgive me for pointing out 4 unbalanced (first thread) arenas and God forgive me for pointing at Slapshot for a solution.
Ackack once you come down from 20k and stay down you'll see things just as they are.
If you hear a big "pop" it's not alt reductions it's that bubble of yours.
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lynx,
it's hard to levy a complaint here without the board flamers calling it a whine. you just have to act like they dont exist.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
lynx,
it's hard to levy a complaint here without the board flamers calling it a whine. you just have to act like they dont exist.
One of the biggest reasons I find the talk of an "AH Community" so rediculous. Most of the time I find the forums full of people who either think they are "funny" or they like to hide behind an IP Address and bully someone.
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Haven't cared much about balance anywhere. In the old big arena if the base I was at was getting "El Kabonged" too much, I just went elsewhere in the same arena. If my side was whacked night after night I just played BF2 for a while. The only real problem I see now is that the megasquads can't steamroll the MA like they used to do- all the while telling you how superior they were. Life changes- deal with it.
-MI-
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Where's -IG- been or any of the other Shills for that matter? Haven't seen you guys on lately.
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Its not about balancing sides, it's about balancing servers. That was the purpose of the arena change.
If you want balanced sides then you need to forget about squads and take it away from the hands of the humans to decide which side they will be on. Have an auto balancing routine that switches you from side to side to balance out the numbers of players on any given side. There are lots MMOG's out there that do just that.
But that's not why I play AH, I play it because of the other people that fly in my Squad and fly for our side (knights). I suspect that many of you if not all play for the same reason.
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Originally posted by Traveler
Its not about balancing sides, it's about balancing servers. That was the purpose of the arena change.
i thought the purpose of the change was to create a more happy and friendly communtiy, had nothing to do with equipment.
i fly with my friends, i don't worry about my chess piece at all:)
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I thought the most recent tweak to the new arena settings (2 LW's, caps monitored/adjusted via software) was a GREAT idea-- however, the result is 1 LW arena with 95 bish, 67 nits, 45 rooks, other LW is 95 NITS 67 BISH....and last but not least....45 rooks-- however, rooks kick arse in MW and EW, as noone else flies there, by and large. I dont even look forward to loggin in anymore
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Originally posted by bj229r
I thought the most recent tweak to the new arena settings (2 LW's, caps monitored/adjusted via software) was a GREAT idea-- however, the result is 1 LW arena with 95 bish, 67 nits, 45 rooks, other LW is 95 NITS 67 BISH....and last but not least....45 rooks-- however, rooks kick arse in MW and EW, as noone else flies there, by and large. I dont even look forward to loggin in anymore
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aye
my squad had a choice.... LWorange, and a perk modifer of 0.3 or, well, nothing LWblue was full. and as you pointed out LWblue really needed knits help, yet we couldn't join.
so we went midwar and tried to chase some la5s but got bored.... thankfully snapshot is on soon.
the balance thing shouldnt be 50% of players spread between LW's, it should be 50% of knits, 50% of bish, 50% of rooks per LW arena.
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Originally posted by Traveler
But that's not why I play AH, I play it because of the other people that fly in my Squad and fly for our side (knights). I suspect that many of you if not all play for the same reason.
....well...er....there's at least one exception....
- oldman
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I hate my squad.
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Whew! I thought I was the only one... :D
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Originally posted by pluck
i thought the purpose of the change was to create a more happy and friendly communtiy, had nothing to do with equipment.
i fly with my friends, i don't worry about my chess piece at all:)
Or so they would have you think. As a result of the tweaks the only thing that has changed is the balance of users on a Server. Any arena can and is still pretty loopsided, one way or another. But the servers are balanced, the load on any server is within reason. Game play sucks, but hay, not according to HITech.
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LMAO
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great, i love a good conspiracy theory. i heard ht crashed an rv8 outside of area 51, and that he faked it to look like a ufo. the government tried to tell us it was a weather balloon, but they really thought it was an ufo. so really it's a double conspiracy with HT getting the last laugh.
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Originally posted by Saxman
I've noticed that all the supporters seem to be under the impression that the dissenters all fall under one of these catagories:
ElGay Ho'n'Go vulch dweebs
Whorde dweebs
The BAD strat guys (the ones who knock down a FH only for the purpose of stopping a furball thinking it gets the FB'ers to help with the war aspects. I've flown with plenty of base captures that REQUESTED the FH's to be dropped).
This is NOT the case, and it's starting to burn me up that the dissenters are basically being told that for those reasons we have no right to voice OUR opinion.
Let me set the record straight here:
I wouldn't touch the cockpit of an ElGay with a hundred-foot pole. If I'm in a HO it's most likely because of a friggen Hurri2C insta-reversing on me, and I vulch only as part of base capture.
I am NOT with the whorde. I look for large but BALANCED fights.
I WILL advocate dropping an FH at a target if it's part of a base capture attempt, but NOT for no reason than to stop a furball, because I WILL furball if I'm in the mood to.
Stop lumping everyone who disagrees with the changes in just because they disagree. I'm more and more getting the impression from threads like this that I'm being told I'm not ENTITLED to my opinion. It's CLEAR that switching sides is not going to correct the problem, because it's already been proven that there's not enough people WILLING to switch. If the system worked as intended guys shouldn't HAVE to switch and fight against their friends on a country in the first place.
I wish some of the guys opposed to the change from in-game chat would start posting on the forum. I think you'll find the pro/against numbers would change DRASTICALLY because online the opinion is FAR more negative than on the boards.
AMEN!!!! Very well said <>:aok
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Traveler: You can not like the changes, but if you start questioning my integrity you are treading on very thin ice.
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Originally posted by bj229r
True enough, but since last month or 2, LW seems ruled by Bish--mostly due to the utter LACK of Bish in EW and WW
I really havn't been paying much attention to the LW's I really don't care for LW..
I spent most of the day in EW yesterday but as a person that likes the EW base capture/strat game it was really boring.. I am going to try spending more time EW and MW maybe my presence uping the arena #'s by 1 will entice more people back into EW. :D I doubt it but I can try right.
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the stuff you printed there was in the LW arena? the fight I was talking about was in the EW arena.
I see why you would be confused though, since you guys only fight buildings I guess they all look the same to you.
that night ended the same way. you toolshedders got thoroughly whooped by 2 guys in 109s who wouldn't allow you to milk. the following sortie (after I augered that 109 to not fly far) I upped another 109 and killed four more of you Bops trying to 110 the vbase then I landed my four bopdrone kills and went to sleep.
you guys are just helpless in anything GV, airplane, ack gun it matters little, what you guys are good at is undefended captures. thank you for your repeated invitations to join your squad but really don't like any of your members or the way you play so I respectfully decline.
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Ummm Storch what are you talking about???
And does it have anything to do with what I have posted in this thread???:confused:
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I posted a similar version in the other thread but it bears repeating
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Well if I was confused about what arena this fight happened that would only show that us tool shed killers play in all arenas not just the "LW SLUM" as some would have everyone beliving.. Also then you are confused because I haven't run up against you in EW sense just after the new format so there is no way you could have killed me in EW reasently.
Oh and you need to get into EW the rooks have been milk running and are about to reset the 2 Nits that are on LOL.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Oh and you need to get into EW the rooks have been milk running and are about to reset the 2 Nits that are on LOL.
sounds like a fun arena to be in......
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11/9/06 2:10PM EST
six night in orange arena, balanced sides are a joke.
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Originally posted by storch
the stuff you printed there was in the LW arena? the fight I was talking about was in the EW arena.
I see why you would be confused though, since you guys only fight buildings I guess they all look the same to you.
that night ended the same way. you toolshedders got thoroughly whooped by 2 guys in 109s who wouldn't allow you to milk. the following sortie (after I augered that 109 to not fly far) I upped another 109 and killed four more of you Bops trying to 110 the vbase then I landed my four bopdrone kills and went to sleep.
you guys are just helpless in anything GV, airplane, ack gun it matters little, what you guys are good at is undefended captures. thank you for your repeated invitations to join your squad but really don't like any of your members or the way you play so I respectfully decline.
:cry but storch we all like you!!!!! you have such a way with words. a real diplomat. but unfortunatly we have a age limit of 9 years old, and by reading your posts, anyone can tell you don,t meet that age requirement.
regretfully yours,
Boner
public relations officer for Boner
ps. you should work on that limited vocabulary of yours!! (toolshedders,milkrunners,hordes,bopdrones,etc,etc,etc)
people might actually respect some of what you have to say.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
ps. you should work on that limited vocabulary of yours!! (toolshedders,milkrunners,hordes,bopdrones,etc,etc,etc)
people might actually respect some of what you have to say.
They feel if they all use the same belittling buzzwords it somehow gives their viewpoint more credibility without having to actually have a viewpoint that can stand on its' merits alone.
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I believe this one has run it's course.