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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Golfer on November 05, 2006, 06:07:56 AM
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Saddam Hussein to hang.
I could only hope it's at noon tomorrow but I'm not sure that I'm that lucky.
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He won't hang. His death sentence is symbolic at best, the appeals court will overrule it. Just watch.
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Originally posted by Viking
He won't hang. His death sentence is symbolic at best, the appeals court will overrule it. Just watch.
I doubt it.
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It all depends of what happens in Iraq. If the current regime manages to stay in power Saddam will have his death sentence turned into a life sentence. After 5 to 10 years he will be quietly released or put in "house arrest".
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I guess it all depends on how afraid the government is of pissing off his fan base.
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Originally posted by Viking
It all depends of what happens in Iraq. If the current regime manages to stay in power Saddam will have his death sentence turned into a life sentence. After 5 to 10 years he will be quietly released or put in "house arrest".
I agree. If he dies I will be surprised
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I kind of always had a suspicion that we'd end up giving him a mansion in Miami Beach...
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No way will Saddam ever survive a "house arrest". There are plenty that want him dead and unless he is protected by heavy security will see to it.
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He's in Baghdad - Sunni territory. If he gets "house arrest" it will be in Tikrit, his home city and centre of his powerbase.
You know … where these people live:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1845000/images/_1848524_demonstration_ap300.jpg)
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38733000/jpg/_38733241_prosaddam_afp300.jpg)
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No *****e government can allow him to live once he has been convicted and sentenced. No smart government of any kind can.
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I think he very well may die. ****es in control, and they hate him. Not to carry out the sentance might be seen as weakness. Plus with him gone, there can be no hope or speculation that he will return to power.
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Iraq does not have a Shi'ite government. Any government that kills Saddam won't be governing Baghdad for long.
Let's just see what happens.
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Originally posted by Viking
Iraq does not have a Shi'ite government. Any government that kills Saddam won't be governing Baghdad for long.
Let's just see what happens.
Iraq has a Shi'ite majority government. That is the biggest complaint and fear of the Sunni's and the Kurds. They have to execute the sentence, to do otherwise would be seen as weak and cowardly. They cannot be seen as weak and cowardly and still survive.
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I can think of a certain President that might deserve his own trial or two in the years after his Administration ends... :t
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Iraq has a Shi'ite majority government. That is the biggest complaint and fear of the Sunni's and the Kurds. They have to execute the sentence, to do otherwise would be seen as weak and cowardly. They cannot be seen as weak and cowardly and still survive.
The sentence is not final, it is automatically appealed. The government do not make legal rulings, the courts do. The government cannot survive without the Sunnis participating, the alternative is civil war. Both the courts and the government know this.
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Throw him to the lions!
If we're going to act like Romans we might as well go all the way!
(I'd say cruxify him but I figure our Christians wouldn't like that and the Muslims over there would just be doubly enraged).
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Originally posted by Vudak
Throw him to the lions!
If we're going to act like Romans we might as well go all the way!
(I'd say cruxify him but I figure our Christians wouldn't like that and the Muslims over there would just be doubly enraged).
Another mistaken poster who ignores the very real fact that " we" did not try him, "we" did not convict him, "we" did not pass sentence on him, and "we" will not be responsible for carrying out that sentence.
The judicial court system of the legitimately elected Iraqi government is the body that tried, convicted and sentenced him. They will be the ones to decide whether to carry out the sentence, and they will be the ones who do it.
"We" the coalition lead by the USA, captured him and turned him over to that nations government. We have since only guaranteed his safety in confinement and provided medical care. I believe some US lawyers may have participated or counseled in his defense.
He has recieved far more in terms of fair trail and humane treatment than any of the hundreds of thousands he had tortured and slaughtered.
If that is "acting like Romans" in your view, I suggest you go back to the history books and learn the differance.
So, your attempt to smear the USA, and it's administrations policies is so far off base it is pathetic.
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Romania did the same kind of job well. Ceaucescu (or similar..) was tried, found quilty and executed by pistol shot in 3 days. Then the people could move on...
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They also shot his wife.
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Originally posted by Viking
He won't hang. His death sentence is symbolic at best, the appeals court will overrule it. Just watch.
do they even have an appeals court?
He'll be executed. they have to.
Hes too dangerous alive. Even in captivity
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Last week Saddam "demanded" that if he was sentenced to death that it be by Firing Squad, as he is a military man, not by hanging. Apparently hanging is beneath his stature, only to be used on common folk.
I'm thinking it's a waste of a good rope, simply put him back in the hole we found him, and put a lid on it.
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Originally posted by Enduro
I can think of a certain President that might deserve his own trial or two in the years after his Administration ends... :t
Oh what charge?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
do they even have an appeals court?
He'll be executed. they have to.
Hes too dangerous alive. Even in captivity
How does making him a martyr make him less dangerous?
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Originally posted by Dago
Another mistaken poster who ignores the very real fact that " we" did not try him, "we" did not convict him, "we" did not pass sentence on him, and "we" will not be responsible for carrying out that sentence.
The judicial court system of the legitimately elected Iraqi government is the body that tried, convicted and sentenced him. They will be the ones to decide whether to carry out the sentence, and they will be the ones who do it.
"We" the coalition lead by the USA, captured him and turned him over to that nations government. We have since only guaranteed his safety in confinement and provided medical care. I believe some US lawyers may have participated or counseled in his defense.
He has recieved far more in terms of fair trail and humane treatment than any of the hundreds of thousands he had tortured and slaughtered.
If that is "acting like Romans" in your view, I suggest you go back to the history books and learn the differance.
So, your attempt to smear the USA, and it's administrations policies is so far off base it is pathetic.
Sheesh Dago, you know, some day you really need to put down the red meat, pick up a peace pipe, and take a nice long hit.
I wasn't trying to smear us! For crying out loud, it doesn't take much to set you off, eh?
Who said acting like Romans was a bad thing?
(I also think you give that government a bit too much credit... "We" isn't so far off...)
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Originally posted by Viking
How does making him a martyr make him less dangerous?
He'll never be a dictator again, if he's DEAD. He'll only be a martyr to a few. To most of the rest, he'll be an example.
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Pontus Pilatus probably thought along similar lines. ;)
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he should be sent to gitmo and locked in a sweat box. death is far too leniant a sentence for that man.
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Originally posted by Viking
Pontus Pilatus probably thought along similar lines. ;)
ahh yes, saddam and christ, i can see the similarities, :rolleyes:
he should be exiled to norway.
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Originally posted by Viking
How does making him a martyr make him less dangerous?
I dont think with Hussain you get the same type martyr you would normally get in the arab world.
Remember his leadership wasnt as much religeous as it was political.
He has a different kind of following
Alive he still presents someone for his followers to rally around
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Originally posted by john9001
ahh yes, saddam and christ, i can see the similarities, :rolleyes:
I'm sure some of his followers do.
Originally posted by john9001
he should be exiled to norway.
We have several war criminals serving time here in Norway. One more won't hurt. :)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I dont think with Hussain you get the same type martyr you would normally get in the arab world.
Remember his leadership wasnt as much religeous as it was political.
He has a different kind of following
Alive he still presents someone for his followers to rally around
The Palestinians still rally around Arafat (or rather his memory). He was a political figure.
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The sentence is not final, it is automatically appealed. The government do not make legal rulings, the courts do.
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I would have thought Iraq was incapable of government, let alone a court system with automatic appeals! What the heck is going on here? are the evil euros trying to confuse us?
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Yes! :p
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Originally posted by storch
he should be sent to gitmo and locked in a sweat box. death is far too leniant a sentence for that man.
I absolutely hate the BS logic.
Don't fool yourself. Death is the ultimate punishment. THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THEN BEING KILLED BY YOUR PEERS AS PUNISHMENT.
I hate the pansy sentiment believing that life in prison is worse then death.
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Originally posted by Viking
The Palestinians still rally around Arafat (or rather his memory). He was a political figure.
Yes but Arafat was hugely popular among the masses. Saddam wasnt.
The situation was different also. Arafat wasnt largly know for killing his own people. And there was a common enemy of Isreal.
Two completely different situations
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Saddam is not known for killing his own people either. The Shi'ites and Kurds are not his people - his "subjects" perhaps. Saddam was also very popular among the Iraqi Sunnis, and they do have a common enemy in the Shi'ites and Kurds.
So I don't think the situations are as different as you like to think.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I absolutely hate the BS logic.
Don't fool yourself. Death is the ultimate punishment. THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THEN BEING KILLED BY YOUR PEERS AS PUNISHMENT.
I hate the pansy sentiment believing that life in prison is worse then death.
really? think about thirty years of nothing but long days in a hot climate outside. not being productive, just being. no thanks I'd gladly accept death as welcomed relief. of course I can understand how someone with a limited imagination might not see things the same way.
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"The Saddam Hussein era is in the past now, as was the era of Hitler and Mussolini," said Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, calling Hussein the worst ruler ever in Iraq.
"We want an Iraq where all Iraqis are equal before the law," he said. "The policy of discrimination and persecution is over."
Hang the swine.
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Originally posted by storch
really? think about thirty years of nothing but long days in a hot climate outside. not being productive, just being.
No need to bring the Arabs into this.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I absolutely hate the BS logic.
Don't fool yourself. Death is the ultimate punishment. THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THEN BEING KILLED BY YOUR PEERS AS PUNISHMENT.
If you had kids you wouldn't say that.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
If you had kids you wouldn't say that.
Agree 100%. However Thrawn, lasersailor is a "self righteous genius, and a Structural Engineer". A shame he skipped the Common Sense window.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Agree 100%. However Thrawn, lasersailor is a "self righteous genius, and a Structural Engineer". A shame he skipped the Common Sense window.
That seems a little uncalled for.
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Originally posted by Dago
That seems a little uncalled for.
Masherbum does seem a little off balance and angry at times.
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Originally posted by storch
really? think about thirty years of nothing but long days in a hot climate outside. not being productive, just being. no thanks I'd gladly accept death as welcomed relief. of course I can understand how someone with a limited imagination might not see things the same way.
Right. Because prisons these days are akin to the old days of physical labor, hot southern summers, and no ammenities whatsoever.
Wake up, remove cranial structure from anal region and see what is actually happening in this world.
If you had kids you wouldn't say that.
I actually like kids.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
Masherbum does seem a little off balance and angry at times.
I don't blame him with all that's going on in his personal life right now.
How's your mom Masherbum, any news?
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Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci
Romania did the same kind of job well. Ceaucescu (or similar..) was tried, found quilty and executed by pistol shot in 3 days. Then the people could move on...
I thought it was more like a firing squad? Seemed like it on the video.
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Right. Because prisons these days are akin to the old days of physical labor, hot southern summers, and no ammenities whatsoever.
Wake up, remove cranial structure from anal region and see what is actually happening in this world.
I actually like kids.
He said the bastard should rot in a box, not live out his days in a Motlel 6.
And what the hell does having kids has to do with killing Saddam Thrawn?
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Nuke his holding cell and claim it was a natural disaster. End of story.
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Originally posted by storch
really? think about thirty years of nothing but long days in a hot climate outside. not being productive, just being. no thanks I'd gladly accept death as welcomed relief. of course I can understand how someone with a limited imagination might not see things the same way.
I think you grossly underestimate the instint to live.
I think most would rather live a life like that then be put to death.
Actually its rather obvious by teh amount of appeals of death sentance cases there are in this country.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
If you had kids you wouldn't say that.
Dont you mean, a Wife?
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Originally posted by Viking
Saddam is not known for killing his own people either. The Shi'ites and Kurds are not his people - his "subjects" perhaps. Saddam was also very popular among the Iraqi Sunnis, and they do have a common enemy in the Shi'ites and Kurds.
So I don't think the situations are as different as you like to think.
Saddam executed or had exicuted anyone he reguarded as a threat. including his own people.generals, etc.
And reguardless of their affiliation. they were Iraqis. therefore they were his people. His countrymen. Even if they were considered his subjects. they are still his people
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Originally posted by Enduro
I can think of a certain President that might deserve his own trial or two in the years after his Administration ends... :t
quoted for truth
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob
quoted for truth
On what charge?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Saddam executed or had exicuted anyone he reguarded as a threat. including his own people.generals, etc.
And reguardless of their affiliation. they were Iraqis. therefore they were his people. His countrymen. Even if they were considered his subjects. they are still his people
You miss the point: The Sunnis do not consider the Shi'ites their people. Nor do they consider the Kurds their people, and neither did Saddam. There is a reason why the Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds live in different areas of Iraq. The Shi'ites and Kurds were second rate citizens at best, sub-human at worst, and the Kurds got the worst of it being as militant as they are.
The Jews living in Palestine are obviously not considered "their people" by the Palestinians and their administration. As for killing political rivals and threats Arafat did the same thing, Saddam was one of Arafats idols.
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Originally posted by Viking
You miss the point: The Sunnis do not consider the Shi'ites their people. Nor do they consider the Kurds their people, and neither did Saddam. There is a reason why the Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds live in different areas of Iraq. The Shi'ites and Kurds were second rate citizens at best, sub-human at worst, and the Kurds got the worst of it being as militant as they are.
Correct.
And thats the reason why the fighting in Iraq will go on.
Thats the result of hate which has been cultivated in decades. Now they are free to fight each other.
Sunnites bomb Shi ites with their suicide bombers of Al Kaida.
Kurds kill Sunnites who dare to live in northern Iraq or force them to leave the kurdish territory.
Shi ites who are today the majority in iraqi police and army kill and torture Sunnites.
There is no united iraqi people.
The few politicians who tried this path of poltic were washed out in the elections.
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Originally posted by Enduro
I can think of a certain President that might deserve his own trial or two in the years after his Administration ends...
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I would also like to know on what charge that would be. Not putting the draft back?:aok
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Originally posted by Enduro
I can think of a certain President that might deserve his own trial or two in the years after his Administration ends... :t
Your right 100%!
Clinton SHOULD go to jail!
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Now thats what Im talking about :aok
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Originally posted by Mightytboy
Your right 100%!
Clinton SHOULD go to jail!
Hear Hear!
or is it Hear! Hear!....whatever, I agree.
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Originally posted by Dago
That seems a little uncalled for.
Why? Only two people in here type about how "great they are" and "how talented they are". If they want to type these things, they should better prepare themselves for doors shutting on their ego. Heck Dago, Nuke was Banned from these boards, now we're supposed to coddle him? Now, when I brag about myself and taut "How great I am", I'll know better. Problem is, my parents raised me better than those two. I despise braggarts and know-it-alls inside and outside of the BBS.
Originally posted by ByeBye
Masherbum does seem a little off balance and angry at times.
Not at all. I'm glad you're my fanboi though! So far Nuke, lasersailor and yourself tout routinely on these very boards how "intelligent" you are, and how great "you are". Funny thing is, what we read on these boards after you type, states otherwise.
Nuke, if you think for one second I'm angry, you're off your rocker. I'm just a blunt, to the point person. I thought you were "Banned" anyways? Skuzzy know about you "re-emerging"?
Originally posted by Viking
I don't blame him with all that's going on in his personal life right now.
How's your mom Masherbum, any news?
She had surgery for Diverticulitis 16 years ago. It appears she had a bout with Diverticulosis (90% sure of this diagnosis, just waiting for a call from my parents). She left the hospital on Saturday and was doing great yesterday when we brought our son over. <> Viking
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Originally posted by Mightytboy
Your right 100%!
Clinton SHOULD go to jail!
for the hummer by the intern or for the 100,000 people dead as a result of an his incompetent war?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
She had surgery for Diverticulitis 16 years ago. It appears she had a bout with Diverticulosis (90% sure of this diagnosis, just waiting for a call from my parents). She left the hospital on Saturday and was doing great yesterday when we brought our son over. <> Viking
Great news! Hoping all goes well.
<>
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Originally posted by Viking
You miss the point: The Sunnis do not consider the Shi'ites their people. Nor do they consider the Kurds their people, and neither did Saddam. There is a reason why the Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds live in different areas of Iraq. The Shi'ites and Kurds were second rate citizens at best, sub-human at worst, and the Kurds got the worst of it being as militant as they are.
The Jews living in Palestine are obviously not considered "their people" by the Palestinians and their administration. As for killing political rivals and threats Arafat did the same thing, Saddam was one of Arafats idols.
No Im not but I know what yur getting at.
Yes if you are only including mass murder yes. he only picked on the Shi Ites and Kurds.
But he didnt hesitate to kill off or have tortured and executed people even within his adminisration on a whim. Or his own people the sunnis based on nothing more then suspicions either
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Originally posted by JB88
for the hummer by the intern or for the 100,000 people dead as a result of an his incompetent war?
Ok so 100K are dead. Its war.
Whats your point?
If they stopped fighing us not nearly as many of them would be dead
On the flip side. Maybe if Clinton had done something then instead of getting hummers. There wouldnt be 100K dead now
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
No Im not but I know what yur getting at.
Yes if you are only including mass murder yes. he only picked on the Shi Ites and Kurds.
But he didnt hesitate to kill off or have tortured and executed people even within his adminisration on a whim. Or his own people the sunnis based on nothing more then suspicions either
So did Arafat and just about every Arab ruler. I fail to see your point.
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Originally posted by Viking
So did Arafat and just about every Arab ruler. I fail to see your point.
Well my original point was
Arafat was hugely popular among the majority of the people
Saddam wasnt
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Among the Sunnis he was and still is. Make no mistake, if killed he will become a martyr.
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He might end up a martyr. So be it. The fact that he might be a martyr does not make him any less a murderer. So hang him, and bury him.
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And damn the consequences?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ok so 100K are dead. Its war.
Whats your point?
If they stopped fighing us not nearly as many of them would be dead
On the flip side. Maybe if Clinton had done something then instead of getting hummers. There wouldnt be 100K dead now
Absolutely...amazing....
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Absolutely...amazing....
Sorry if my heart doesnt go pitter patter nor a tear form in my eye at the deaths of those who would just as soon see us dead
and its War. in war people die.
Thats just the way it is
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Originally posted by Viking
And damn the consequences?
And you know what those consequences are?
Are you certain it won't turn out better?
Soothsayer are you?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
And you know what those consequences are?
Are you certain it won't turn out better?
Soothsayer are you?
alright, who activated satan's own mouthpiece?
;)
anyone here seen "thank you for smoking"?
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I did. Didn't mean to though. :( ;)
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
He might end up a martyr. So be it. The fact that he might be a martyr does not make him any less a murderer. So hang him, and bury him.
Awesome!! Bin Laden is getting hanged and will finally be brought to justice for the AMERICAN lives he was personally responsible for killing?
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Seems I was wrong. :)
They're stringing him up tomorrow!
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Supposedly sometime in the next 4 hours, actually. That may be tomorrow where you are.
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FOX News just reported that he is to hang at 10PM EST Friday Dec 29th.
So long sucker......you got off easy.
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Originally posted by Enduro
I can think of a certain President that might deserve his own trial or two in the years after his Administration ends... :t
Yeah - Clinton got off too easy......lmao!
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saddumb, AMF.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Saddam executed or had exicuted anyone he reguarded as a threat. including his own people.generals, etc.
And reguardless of their affiliation. they were Iraqis. therefore they were his people. His countrymen. Even if they were considered his subjects. they are still his people
so did most of the european kings and queens right up untill the 1800s.
why should the iraqis be expected to develope as qucik as us? why should we have stepped in and captured saddam? of course the iraqis now sayt thanks, they did have the power/balls to do it themselves.
its just history repeated ans the 'allies' are playing god like usual.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
so did most of the european kings and queens right up untill the 1800s.
why should the iraqis be expected to develope as qucik as us? why should we have stepped in and captured saddam? of course the iraqis now sayt thanks, they did have the power/balls to do it themselves.
its just history repeated ans the 'allies' are playing god like usual.
And your point?
Actually it was the Iraqies themselves that condemned him to death in just under 2 hours from now :aok :aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
so did most of the european kings and queens right up untill the 1800s.
why should the iraqis be expected to develope as qucik as us? why should we have stepped in and captured saddam? of course the iraqis now sayt thanks, they did have the power/balls to do it themselves.
its just history repeated ans the 'allies' are playing god like usual.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Brits needed some help in their own back yard a time or two...........I don't remember the allies being accused of playing God then. Are Europeans the only ones who need of deserve help with tyrants?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
He might end up a martyr. So be it. The fact that he might be a martyr does not make him any less a murderer. So hang him, and bury him.
why hang him, just bury him - seems the approved death sentence by he and his sons
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He's dead, good riddance.
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Originally posted by Slash27
I thought it was more like a firing squad? Seemed like it on the video
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There was a firing squad and the pistols were AK47's ( i was in the army at that time).
It was a quickly political execution made by the 2nd "wave" from comunist party (of course with an outside help).