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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolf14 on November 07, 2006, 11:43:42 PM
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Wow I feel this lady deffinately crossed the line and let personal feelings cloud her judgement. I dont think she'll get re-elected. Very Biased in my opinion.
clouded judgement (http://youtube.com/watch?v=wgtWZXK9gm8)
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:lol Holy cow. "Don't correct me or i'll throw your bellybutton in jail" It may be her courtroom but good lord.
Oh does anyone know if she was reelected?
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Originally posted by nirvana
Oh does anyone know if she was reelected?
For the sake of the folks in her jurisdiction, I hope the hell not.
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Dunno but I do know here in this state we have a judge that if you every try saying a cop is so much as exaggerating the truth you either get fined for contempt or tossed in jail
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I think she needs some good luvin.
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wow......
she has strong feelings about deer hunting
but has no problem with ball busting
Ironic:O
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but... but... THEY KILLED BAMBI! :cry :cry
lamo... she has some serious issues with herself.
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Hang her.
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she needs to be stripped of her position as a judge.
lazs
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The film wasn't clear what those guys did to be standing before a judge in court. Maybe poaching, night hunting, illegalities of one sort or another? They weren't in court for lawful deer hunting. If they were then some righteous indignation would be understandable.
What I saw on the video was this:
Judge was in the process of recusing herself from the proceedings because of her bias against hunting and hunters, and the guy wouldn't shut up for a few seconds and just take it. That's what happens when a judge is in a bad mood, but I don't see where any other judge anywhere should be expected to have put up with backtalk from a witness. Looked more to me like he was bullying the judge.
If there is outrage warranted by viewing this video, there must be something more there that I failed to see. And why were they there? That's the part going unexplained.
Les
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The outrage I see is over the fact the judge let her personal views get in to a trial. As a judge, you are there to judge the law, not your own personal views. People seem to forget that portion of it all.
Any lawyer worth their salt would get that man a retrial, or the charges completely dropped in a different venue.
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Her personal bias has no place in that courtroom. If she can't control it she needs to step down.
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she wasn't going on about illegal poaching... I don't believe in poaching.. she was going on about what scum hunters were... she was telling hunters that they had no heart and someone from the audience... maybe a witness.. just got disgusted and walked out... she wouldn't leave it at that..
She asked him why he left and when he gave an honest answer she blew up and imprissoned him. She asked for him to speak and when he did... and much less strongly and prejudicial than her... she had him thrown in jail.
If I were in the courtroom I would have left in disgust too..
What is funny is that she probly doesn't even think of the poor cow who is now her steak or gucci bag.
lazs
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well she is out of a job now. Good riddence.
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She is? Someone had the guts to remove that hag?
lazs
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good lord son, she's goes out of her way to make the first guy feel guilty then claimed she had not said anything about hunting
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Ok fellers, found a few links that may help and hopefully they work:
http://kutv.com/local/local_story_300200339.html
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=628242
Apparently the guy at the stand had been caught transporting a poached deer for a friend. Ok yeah thats bad. Not a good thing to do.
It was his brother sitting in the court room who got upset with her when she started spouting her feelings at hunters as a whole and walked out.
The way I sees it is yeah the guy at the stand was in trouble and having his day in court, but she had no right to belittle the other fella for trying to stick up for himself and his legal rights to hunt.
She also had some other issues as well. She did get booted. Good Ridance.
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"large, explosive indication of your displeasure" are not allowed, :rofl
hereafter, she will be known as "judge bambi"
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If I posted what my thoughts were about the judge it would just be deleted.
so i will save some time...
deleted becaus eof rull #7;)
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looks like they are posting on Youtube that she lost her job because of this on 7 nov.
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You guys dont spend much time in court do you?
A large % of judges are on power trips and belittle defendants, lawyers and folks in the gallery all the time, most of them are smart enough to not do it when cameras are present, this broad is a doofis.
shamus
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Regardless of whether that judge was a bad one or not. When you think about it, she could have used pretty much the same words even if she had been an avid deer hunter. Deer hunters would want a poacher of trophy bucks to be put in jail, lol especially after hearing the brother talking about his hunting rights.
This is clear, those guys weren't hunting. They deserve to have the book thrown at them if what they were doing was spotlighting deer in a field at night.
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
Regardless of whether that judge was a bad one or not. When you think about it, she could have used pretty much the same words even if she had been an avid deer hunter. Deer hunters would want a poacher of trophy bucks to be put in jail, lol especially after hearing the brother talking about his hunting rights.
This is clear, those guys weren't hunting. They deserve to have the book thrown at them if what they were doing was spotlighting deer in a field at night.
Les
From the video it appears she wanted to charge a guy for leaving her courtroom and that was it. She asked the guy an opinionated question and then when he said something she didn't want to hear she wanted him arrested saying "I don't have to listen to this".
Like I allways tell my officers that I work for when they get offended by the pointed truth....."sir, never ask me a question that you might not want to know the answer too"
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So was she in the process of recuising herself like she said she was, or was she pontificating? To me... it sounds like she was pontificating... *and i'm a lefty!*
I'm proud of the dude for standing up to her... that took some nards.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
From the video it appears she wanted to charge a guy for leaving her courtroom and that was it. She asked the guy an opinionated question and then when he said something she didn't want to hear she wanted him arrested saying "I don't have to listen to this".
Like I allways tell my officers that I work for when they get offended by the pointed truth....."sir, never ask me a question that you might not want to know the answer too"
The video was too short to really tell what was going on. I got the impression they were caught poaching before I read the news link. I thought the guy that left was one of the witnesses/defendants? They were there for circumstances involving a crime. You can't just walk out. When asked why he left, (a legitimate question,) he went on about his "hunting" rights. [He was bored he had to be there when he could be out poaching more deer, which after all, everyone has the right to do according to him.] What do hunters and lawful hunting have to do with poaching? His defense sounded like a counterfeiter saying he has just as much right to make money as anyone else.
But yeah, I agree the judge was biased, hence the self-recusal. One thing fer darn sure, they shoulda had a lawyer. Might have prevented the contempt of court. I think she wanted to hear just such a reply from the guy. She's misguided in her prejudice against hunting. It's not right to lump those poachers in with the majority of hunters, who are law abiding. That's why I feel a pro-hunting judge may have grilled those guys in the same manner. Same level of prejudice but from the other end of the spectrum. Trophy deer poachers are criminals. Some of them are only after the mount and leave the carcass behind. They are scumbags that do this.
Standing up to the judge when an accomplice to crime implies they're just gonna go out and do it again. At least it seemed one of the brothers had some sense, and that ain't the one who walked out.
Sorry, distastful as it may seem, gotta say she handled it professionally by bowing out. I would have liked to see poachers involved in trophy snatching made an example of, no matter the political bent of the judge.
I've done a good bit of deer hunting. This is just my uneducated opinion concerning matters of law, which I know nothing about. It does reflect how hunters feel about poaching though. I guess my question is, what did the judge do wrong "legally?" Was it abuse of power? Surely some judges state a bias and then don't recuse themselves and go on to preside over a trial.
Les
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Originally posted by lazs2
she needs to be stripped of her position as a judge.
lazs
she needs to be stripped and put in the doggie position.
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Leslie, go back a reread the story, you have all the facts wrong.
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leslie... you have it wrong... no one like poachers.. the judge was not berating poachers she was berating people who would kill a cute little deer.
She was talking about how could anyone see a deer in the wild alive, with it's little beating heart, and snuff it out... she was talking about people who hunt deer... not poachers...
This newspeak is too much for me... it is like the people saying that kerrie was making a joke about Bush when he said that if you were not smart and didn't do your homework and finnish school... you would be sent to Iraq,
lazs
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You guys dont spend much time in court do you?
A large % of judges are on power trips and belittle defendants, lawyers and folks in the gallery all the time, most of them are smart enough to not do it when cameras are present, this broad is a doofis.
shamus
Agreed. Judges are meglamaniacs. I know of one judge that got caught using a pnus enlarger pump underneath the bench during trial - the female prosecutor could hear "whooshing" noises. He's out. and another female judge was found naked from the waist down and drunk unconscious in a hotel hallway during a judge's convention. she was censured (although I kind of liked her for that).
So when I see ANY judge up for election or re election in the voting booth, I don't even have to think about it, or even have to know their names. I vote them all out. I figure that it might do just a little bit to remind them who they serve.
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I've reread the story several times John. What facts am I missing?
Les
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what are you missing? the judge made no distinction bettween legaly killing deer and poaching them. Here concern was that the beutiful animal who looked so good alive should not be killed by anyone. The brother she gave the speech to was not being accused of poaching. She was berating him for his ability to kill a deer under any circumstances.
she also showed species prejudice because I am sure she was wearing leather shoes and carrying a leather handbag and is probly eating some meat product as we speak.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
leslie... you have it wrong... no one like poachers.. the judge was not berating poachers she was berating people who would kill a cute little deer.
She was talking about how could anyone see a deer in the wild alive, with it's little beating heart, and snuff it out... she was talking about people who hunt deer... not poachers...
This newspeak is too much for me... it is like the people saying that kerrie was making a joke about Bush when he said that if you were not smart and didn't do your homework and finnish school... you would be sent to Iraq,
lazs
I realize that Lazs. As a judge, she is misguided in that respect. What I don't like is the popular opinion that these guys' rights were somehow abused. How can a guy caught poaching start talking about hunter's rights with a straight face? That's ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is informing a judge in court what the law is. Does anyone get away with that?
Oh well, guess I'm not gonna convince anyone that no one was right in this whole deal. One point here is judges can and do rule sometimes according to the mood they're in that day. She was biased against hunters. And rightly did not preside over that case. Though I would not expect an unbiased judge to have reacted any differently in regards to the contempt of court.
I don't like anti hunting, anti gun and anti freedom folks any more than you do Lazs.
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
I realize that Lazs. As a judge, she is misguided in that respect. What I don't like is the popular opinion that these guys' rights were somehow abused. How can a guy caught poaching start talking about hunter's rights with a straight face? That's ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is informing a judge in court what the law is. Does anyone get away with that?
That was not the person on trial. It was his brother. And he seemed to be responding to the rhetoric being levied, not the charges. And... he decided to leave the court room, but was brought back by an overzealous judge that resented the fact her preaching was being ignored.
You do realize this... right? You do realize that the judges bias towards hunting in general would bias her judgement in the trial... right? It would bias her sentancing because she was sentancing for two crimes, even though the defendant was being tried for only 1 crime.
The courts have become as nonsensical as the governement.
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the man on trial did not shoot the deer, his friend shot the deer, the man on trial helped his friend to move the poached deer.
the man who walked out of the court room is the brother of the man on trail and was only a spectator in the court room and was not required to be there.
not being judgemental here, just keeping the facts straight.
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Thanks mini.... you put it much better than I did.. I thought I was clear enough but obviously not .... you were much more clear.
No one likes a bully.. the judge was being a bully.. she was using the bully pulpit to give a philisophical speech on killing deer and went ballistic when people had the nerve to walk out in disgust.
And... I still say she eats meat and wears leather.
She is just the type of dumb ***** who would try to feed a wild animal by hand and get gored or bitten. She probly believes that deer can talk just like in the disney movies.
lazs
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Agreed Lazs, Mini D, John. In fairness to the guy who walked out, can't say I blame him for that. It's just that hunters have to be careful nowadays. I understand he was trying to support his brother and was not involved in the transporting of the deer. I've got that straight now...finally. DUH!!! Thanks guys.
I'm a realist though. I'm also glad she is no longer on the bench. Hopefully the institution of hunting wasn't harmed by the public responses. Media could twist and turn that into an anti hunting campaign. That's my point. Hell, I'm a hunter and I was a bit confused at first. If it's about the judge being a bully, it would have been better to quietly get up and leave, not give her more ammunition. If she's that prejudice, she might have been scared of him. Predictable results, and for those in the public that don't hunt, probably all they're gonna see is a guy talking back to a judge and being in contempt of court. It's how the public regards hunting and hunters that matters if hunting is to survive.
Since hunting is under attack and vilified by some courts, it is important to handle a situation like that without showing emotion. Show emotion it's all over. Watching the video my very first impression was boy is that guy dumb. Dunno if I could do it, but it has to be done.
Les