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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: WMLute on November 08, 2006, 09:14:09 AM
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HT, is it possible, once the arena #'s have hit a certain point, to drop one of the Late War's?
Like, once a certain # is hit, the lowest # LW won't allow people to log into it, and it would cycle everybody into one arena.
Late night with only 100 or less on, it's a shame to have 'em spread out.
Also, as long as I am posting...
I have noticed sumptin'. If in one arena, one team is loosing, many of it's players will log out into the OTHER arena, causing side imbalances.
I know I do. If I log into one LW, and my side is getting whooped up on, I tend to go check out what is going on in the OTHER arena.
I wonder if there has been any "fresh" or "viable" ideas put forth or that you are considering on how to address number imbalances, and how to even it all out.
40 50 10 in one arena, then it tends to be 20 30 50 in the other. (#'s randomly picked there)
It seems the changes are creating side imbalances some times, as opposed to lessening them.
Or possbily that is just what I have run into the past few days.
ALSO!
To ALL the players.
DO NOT FORGET!
Friday King of the Hill is this week on the 10th 3:00pm ET (-5Z) in the Special Events Arena. You only have FOUR more chances to qualify for this years Tourney O' Champions.
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All of that has already been brought to the table by numerous people. Nothing has come of it.
It's a shame that if you don't fly peak hours you end up fighting against 15 other people. I spent two hours yesterday flying with 7 other people on my team with only 10-15 on the other two.
Maybe the arena cap can be raised during non-peak playing hours to allow for more action?
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Originally posted by WMLute
Friday King of the Hill is this week on the 10th 3:00pm ET (-5Z) in the Special Events Arena. You only have FOUR more chances to qualify for this years Tourney O' Champions.
Boy, I get up late the Boss already beat me to it :)
All notices sent Boss, can I avoid KP duty??
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Originally posted by Free
All of that has already been brought to the table by numerous people. Nothing has come of it.
It's a shame that if you don't fly peak hours you end up fighting against 15 other people. I spent two hours yesterday flying with 7 other people on my team with only 10-15 on the other two.
Maybe the arena cap can be raised during non-peak playing hours to allow for more action?
Actually, HT has said he is considering closing one of the LWs during off peak hours. We just need to be patient.
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FWIW: Im hoping one will close too :)
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190937&perpage=50&highlight=hard%20numbers&pagenumber=4
the caps need to be per country..... if that is even possible i dont know.... hitech hasnt commented on anything... We dont know if its a simple change, a hard change, or a impossible change.
needs to be 50% of rook/bish/knit per 2 LW arenas.... or something like that
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Actually, HT has said he is considering closing one of the LWs during off peak hours.
Make it so:aok
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It needs to drop to a solo arena. 3 arenas is still too many to split maybe 80 people over.
I propose a solo arena between midnight central time and 7am central, rotating through the three formats from night to night.
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Originally posted by WMLute
Friday King of the Hill is this week on the 10th 3:00pm ET (-5Z) in the Special Events Arena. You only have FOUR more chances to qualify for this years Tourney O' Champions.
When is this year's TOC? I want to try to show for this one.
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Originally posted by wetrat
When is this year's TOC? I want to try to show for this one.
trying to get the date firm.
working around the Scenario in Dec.
I'm THINKING maybe the 16th.
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Originally posted by Overlag
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190937&perpage=50&highlight=hard%20numbers&pagenumber=4
the caps need to be per country..... if that is even possible i dont know.... hitech hasnt commented on anything... We dont know if its a simple change, a hard change, or a impossible change.
needs to be 50% of rook/bish/knit per 2 LW arenas.... or something like that
i think this is one of the best idea's for balancing. ya, if you want to fly for your country you can, just not in the arena where you already outnumber your enemy. but i can see some larger squads not liking this because then they might have to split up among arenas. but hey, they won't switch to a different country, balance numbers, and nothing else seems acceptable anyway.
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Originally posted by wetrat
When is this year's TOC? I want to try to show for this one.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had our own King Of The Hill forum. Oh yea, we do already.
There is a post regarding this issue up in the KOTH forum. I hasn't received many replies.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=191297
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Originally posted by WMLute
HT, is it possible, once the arena #'s have hit a certain point, to drop one of the Late War's?
Like, once a certain # is hit, the lowest # LW won't allow people to log into it, and it would cycle everybody into one arena.
Late night with only 100 or less on, it's a shame to have 'em spread out.
Also, as long as I am posting...
I have noticed sumptin'. If in one arena, one team is loosing, many of it's players will log out into the OTHER arena, causing side imbalances.
I have noticed this too.... only the folks don't leave... they change to the winning team hoping for extra war winning perks.
FIX >> no points for winning.... just reset the terrain. If your winning your probably all over the losing fields and getting plenty of perks for kills already... (easy perks)
80th members go to low number teams .... I proud to say. :aok
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Originally posted by pluck
i think this is one of the best idea's for balancing. ya, if you want to fly for your country you can, just not in the arena where you already outnumber your enemy. but i can see some larger squads not liking this because then they might have to split up among arenas. but hey, they won't switch to a different country, balance numbers, and nothing else seems acceptable anyway.
Perfect example - LW orange (I think) yesterday.
Started off reasonably even numbers.
As the Rooks got pushed back, then finally lost their bases around HQ, most either logged off, or went to one of the other arenas.
So I guess the Bish and Knits are now supposed to switch sides because the other sides numbers ran off to the other arena (probably unbalancing that one)?
Not picking on the Rooks specifically, just this is fresh in the mind from yesterday, I've seen the same behavoir from all 3 countries.
to the Rooks who stuck it out to the bitter end.
Lets assume some Knit and Bish did swap to Rooks, and some Rooks come back, you now have the opposite, Rooks have numbers advantage, and your relying on some of them switching sides.
It is a rollercoaster and totally impractical under the current set-up.
As has been pointed out - The multiple arena setup is causing more imbalance due to the ability to jump from one to the other if things are going bad in the one you are currently in.
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Speaking as someone who pretty much ONLY plays AH weeknights from 10pm to midnight Pacific time over the past 4 years....
I must say that the current "late-night, late-war" situation is bad enough that I'm just not motivated to turn off the TV and start flying.
The problem is that there aren't enough pilots in any single area to make for exciting, multi-country fights.
At this time of night, there seem to be about 200 pilots online when I start (10pm) and it shrinks to, say, 120 by midnight. Yes, the absolute numbers may be different (hey, I'm not tabulating the statistic here), but the ratio is probably spot-on.
Anyway, that seems to break down to 120 pilots in one LW area and 80 in another LW area, and due to the totally haphazard manner that pilots have chosen their arenas earlier in the night, one country's numbers are 1/6th of the other two country's numbers combined. Pilots from this dimished country inevitably switch to the other LW arena, where a different country's numbers are 1/6th of the two other country's numbers.
And in both arenas, there aren't enough pilots flying overall to make for an interesting battle anywhere.
And here's the rub: if both LW arenas were combined, there'd be more-or-less equal numbers of pilots for all the countries, AND there's be enough pilots in the arena overall to make for an interesting war with lots of hot-spots.
Now don't get me wrong - for those rare occasions when I am online on the weekends, or earlier in the night, there are enough pilots to make the split arenas a lot of fun. I also agree that splitting the arenas is a good idea for growth overall.
But, as HT said, the split arenas were designed to accomodate situations when there are too many players for a single arena, so conversely, why shouldn't the arenas rejoin when the numbers drop? It is the exact same equation, and it's based on the same logic.
My Proposal: As the numbers in the Late War arenas drop, some things start happening automatically to the less-populated LW arena. First, there are system-wide announcements: "In 30 minutes, new plane spawns will be stopped. Please move to the other LW arena." Then after 30 minutes, stop new plane spawns, and announce it. This will allow for battles to continue, but as people land, they'll switch over. After 30 minutes, they'll HAVE TO. This also allows bomber pilots on long missions to take as long as they need to complete their flights and land, AND there'll be less enemy to harass them upon landing because they'll be less friendly fighters to defend them.
And then, after there aren't any more planes in the air, close the Arena.
Now for all I know, this already happens when 3 LW arenas reduce themselves to two. Fine. Whatever. Do whatever works.
Then open new arenas as necessary, based on the rules already discussed.
Again, I really like having multiple arenas where there are enough players to support them. But clearly, there aren't enough players too suppport them late at night on weekdays.
-Llama