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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Skuzzy on November 08, 2006, 04:57:20 PM
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My worst nightmare has been realized. Vista went gold and will be available on the retail shelves, January 30, 2007.
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OH NO!@!!!!!@!@@!@!!!@!
i'm so sorry :cry have a drink on me
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Quick! Everybody send Skuzzy your booze! Okay, we need to institute a "National IT Guy Appreciation Day" (They have Secretary's Day, why not this??)
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why don't windows make an OS that runs mac apps?
potatos! :mad: :furious
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(from reading between the lines here's what ive gathered)
did ya see there upgrate trick ... there gonna offer the basic upgrade coupon w/ new pc's ... But for you guys that dont know about the basic verson well guess what its nothing more the xp in a sp3 ..you get no aero interface and those other bells and whistles .. if you want the bells and whistles you have to buy the $400. verson .
now also take note .. M$ just bought into Suse Linux with its XGL desktop interface .... hmmmmmm , now whats really going on ??
http://www.playfuls.com/news_05079_A_Windows_Vista_with_XGL_Desktop_Instead_of_Aero.html (http://www.playfuls.com/news_05079_A_Windows_Vista_with_XGL_Desktop_Instead_of_Aero.html)
http://news.com.com/Holiday+PC+buyers+get+Vista+upgrade+promise/2100-1016_3-6129027.html (http://news.com.com/Holiday+PC+buyers+get+Vista+upgrade+promise/2100-1016_3-6129027.html)
Since this is the "Roo news hour" did you guys know the 1st dx10 card is released (GeForce 8800 GTX) ... More info here (http://reviews.cnet.com/Nvidia_GeForce_8800_GTX/4514-8902_7-32132889.html?part=cnet&subj=Nvidia+GeForce+8800+GTX)
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Dearly beloved, we're gathered today on this solemn occasion to mourn the imminent passing of Skuzzy's sanity. He was a fury man with a penchant for plaid shirts and large, clumsy feet...
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Skuzzy's new Excedrin Headache #45:
HTC News and Announcements
Feb 1 2007
New forum added to BBS:
"Why can't I get Aces High to run with Vista?"
Aiiiieeeeeeee!
Regards,
Sun
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I only wish the game would not run on Vista. Would make it a lot easier to deal with. Having to tell someone who has been used to XP, they need to double the amount of RAM (4GB should be ok) and increase the CPU speed by about 25%, in order to do what they were doing before, and with lower frame rates, is not going to be pleasant.
If you are even considering purchasing Vista (above the basic Vista), check to be sure your motherboard will support 4GB of RAM. Many do not.
I wish I could afford to retire before they release this monster.
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4 GB? Seriously? My mb will support it. Do you really feel that 2 GB (my present config) will be deficient? Wow. Whatever, Bill gates says its gonna be great. Are you suggesting that we not believe Bill!? :eek:
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Krusty - July 28th is Sysadmin day :) .
RE: 4Gb memory -
Yup some will support it, but usually only 3.5Gb is usable, the rest being used for memory tables etc.
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Originally posted by Irwink!
4 GB? Seriously? My mb will support it. Do you really feel that 2 GB (my present config) will be deficient? Wow. Whatever, Bill gates says its gonna be great. Are you suggesting that we not believe Bill!? :eek:
2GB is a comfortable amount of RAM, if you use the Aero interface. If you want to actually run applications, then you will want 3GB of RAM. Any high end games, then 4GB will be needed.
The best rule of thumb I can provide is this; If you want to maintain the current level of performance, of your computer running Windows XP, then you will need to double the system RAM, and increase the CPU speed by about 25% so you can run Vista and still run your other applcations at about the same speed as before.
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Man, that's messed up.
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Well... you dont have to necessarily BUY Vista, you can get free upgrade from OEM manufacturers.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/expressupgrade.mspx
Btw I have tested AH in Vista, runs ok so far. (with 2gb ram)
I do have some problems with it but it comes from hardware...
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The free upgrade coupon is only good for the basic version of Vista. Think of it as a more bloated version of Windows XP. No Aero or admin utilities.
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If any of you have I-tunes, or have seen the way that that flips thought album covers....imagine an os interface like that... lots of extra graphics and bloat.
Skuzzy - you just need to make a sticky now stating not to buy Vista, and go ahead and list you reasons why. Least make it official...lol
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i guess it will be a hackers delight too.
xp is a pain in the bellybutton now we getting more crap to go wrong
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how well does AH2 run on Vista? is the question
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How are the requirements for more RAM or better performance with a faster processor different with the upcoming release of Vista as opposed to the release of XP or 98?
great deals for 2GB of ram for $200 or heck even a conroe for not much more. Beats the heck out of $150 prices for 4MB that went in for my first 95 install.
I am not trying to apologize for M$ but each and every time they roll out a product the same bandwagon gets rolled out.
btw this is being typed on a MacPro with intel Xeons with bootcamp of WinXP and OS10.4
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The jump from 98 to XP was not nearly as bad as XP to Vista in terms of performance and RAM requirements.
The jump from 98 to XP also brought along many fixes to the overall architecture of 98.
Vista brings diddly-squat to the party except a ton of bloat, more restrictive DRM, more intrusive remote management, more restricted admin rights, and many other useless things which are there to help Microsoft and OEM's, not the user.
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Ok that makes sense.
And means that making a move to it a non starter.... unless of course AH is going to go DX10 ;)
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I just bought a laptop and it came with the free upgrade coupon. I would'nt even think about useing it. For one I think its pointless to the user. Its just what skuzzy said noting but bloat. Two I hate windoh's and Microsoft all together.
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Originally posted by handy169
how well does AH2 run on Vista? is the question
which verson ??
the 32 bit verson works alot better then the 64bit (the 64 is still lacking )
as for perfomance of AH in it ... well it works but the fps in anygame isnt much to brag about its down about 20%
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
2GB is a comfortable amount of RAM, if you use the Aero interface. If you want to actually run applications, then you will want 3GB of RAM. Any high end games, then 4GB will be needed.
The best rule of thumb I can provide is this; If you want to maintain the current level of performance, of your computer running Windows XP, then you will need to double the system RAM, and increase the CPU speed by about 25% so you can run Vista and still run your other applcations at about the same speed as before.
I've fooled around with RC1 on two machines - 1 P4/1.5ghz/512mb and another p4/3ghz/2gb and I know its a resource hog. My original question actually pertained to running AH2 with Vista. My current #1 box is a core 2D 6400/2gb ram. So I should plan on 2gb ram being on the lean side for AH? I sorta figured I'd have to beef the ram. I'd already heard that you'd problably need 4gb for top performance. I'm probably going to do a dual boot config for awhile anyway. I pretty much have to get Vista as I'll need it for work but don't want to screw myself when running AH.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
The jump from 98 to XP was not nearly as bad as XP to Vista in terms of performance and RAM requirements.
The jump from 98 to XP also brought along many fixes to the overall architecture of 98.
Vista brings diddly-squat to the party except a ton of bloat, more restrictive DRM, more intrusive remote management, more restricted admin rights, and many other useless things which are there to help Microsoft and OEM's, not the user.
They will take my nice, stable, low resource demanding (after you strip it down) WXP from me when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
I fully intend to go kicking and screaming before switching to Vista.
Was that over the top?
I can never tell.
Regards,
Sun
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I suspect a slew of complaints about stutters will come from constant HDD paging, especially from non-SATA drives.
But none of this is HTC's fault. What the heck is a developer to do? Build graphic retro games to overcome the OS? I pity the poor folks buying a standard configuration Dell or Gateway and being frustrated to no end.
I pity guys like Skuzzy more, since it's gonna be your fault in their eyes. "Hey! Your crappy game doesn't run and I have a new, $1500 machine!"
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Already feeling that pain Rolex. People buying new HP/Compaq coimputers with 64+ processes in the background, with a $2 video chip, and a $0.50 sound chip wondering why the machine plays worse than the machine they just replaced.
I cannot imagine the nightmare OEM's are going to be creating with Vista. Actually, I can imagine it and it aint' pretty. Barely enough RAM to run the OS, to keep the costs down and tossing thier 30+ processes on top of an already bloated OS. Damn, I really wish I could afford to retire.
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I never understood why OEMs have to pack their systems full of unnecessary crap that most of the time only makes it harder to use the computer.
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Originally posted by megadud
why don't windows make an OS that runs mac apps?
potatos! :mad: :furious
Megadud, Apple will run Windows applictions via Boot Camp. I use it to run AH. The rest I use OSX and the Mac side.
Regards,
hap
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
The jump from 98 to XP was not nearly as bad as XP to Vista in terms of performance and RAM requirements.
The jump from 98 to XP also brought along many fixes to the overall architecture of 98.
Vista brings diddly-squat to the party except a ton of bloat, more restrictive DRM, more intrusive remote management, more restricted admin rights, and many other useless things which are there to help Microsoft and OEM's, not the user.
This is the most succinct description of how bad Vista is going to suck I've seen so far.
I had a funny moment with Vista Beta and Office 2007 Beta when I saddled them up on a brand new PC at work and Office wouldn't run at all on it. I was like 'oh yeah, this is gonna be AWESOME'.
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Let's all buy Vista, then file a class action lawsuit for porking our 1Gb perfectly good computers. :D
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I'm pretty sure the EULA covers MS's very large, very bloated arse on the matter.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Already feeling that pain Rolex. People buying new HP/Compaq coimputers with 64+ processes in the background, with a $2 video chip, and a $0.50 sound chip wondering why the machine plays worse than the machine they just replaced.
I cannot imagine the nightmare OEM's are going to be creating with Vista. Actually, I can imagine it and it aint' pretty. Barely enough RAM to run the OS, to keep the costs down and tossing thier 30+ processes on top of an already bloated OS. Damn, I really wish I could afford to retire.
i got a 10 year old compaq, i use it to play aces high II now :) works ok.
but i plan to buy a new mother board and processor, also 1-2 gigs of ram.
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Worse yet, retailers like newegg are selling winXP home OEM with a FREE VISTA UPGRADE COUPON!!!!!! Oh teh noes!!!!!111one
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I ran 98SE up untill about mid 2003...
I had no reason to upgrade to XP and only did it after I encountered a reinstall situation... I just sorta said screw it..... (all my mates were doing it so i blame them)
The biggest problem with the OS and Applications provided by M$ is the fact that they have 2 features that you use and 200 that you dont.
Outlook, word and excel are used in offices all around the world every day and I can garentee that %90 of the users would not know what a Field is in word or how to group emails by the sender in outlook....
Its like putting a 10year old on Rossies GP bike, yeah he can ride it but its a big F...King waste...
All the average user needs is a basic text email application (cmon how many pics have you sent at work that were really bussiness related) and a basic word processor that can do basic formatting (again how many times have you used word art for work purposses)
I know that there are a lotta people out there who want and can afford the biggest and best.... But bigger is not always best
Unforunatly Style will always win over substance....
I will not be "upgrading" to Blista untill I have no choice.....
Skuzzy... You have my sympathy mate... What more can I say
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
The free upgrade coupon is only good for the basic version of Vista. Think of it as a more bloated version of Windows XP. No Aero or admin utilities.
and it looks to me like that Coupon will only be available on certain "new" Pcs
Personally after looking through that Website
I dont see anything there I particularly want. Nor need.
In short.
I am not impressed
So long as you guys keep making AH so it runs on XP Pro.
I wont be moving to Vista anytime soon
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Whish I had the Experience and time to write my own OS purly for playing games and surfing the net.....
Just cut all the crap out.....
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I never understood why OEMs have to pack their systems full of unnecessary crap that most of the time only makes it harder to use the computer.
Best buy. For a fee of course. Will strip away all those extras for ya when you buy a new PC there.
But I agree with ya.
Half that stuff shouldnt be there to begin with.
Other things that crack me up is when they claim a machine comes will all this $ worth of programs installed. and the buyer buys the machine only to find out that all those cool programs that came with it. Are only Trial editions and/or not the full versions
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Heh I never bought a 'brand' PC in my life and hopefully never will. Unfortunately I have to deal with them constantly through my work.
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My question is how long before Vista pushes XP and 2000 out,like XP did Win98?As far as I'm concerned Mickeysoft has a monopoly.What a croc!There I said it.
IronDog
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Originally posted by IronDog
My question is how long before Vista pushes XP and 2000 out,like XP did Win98?As far as I'm concerned Mickeysoft has a monopoly.What a croc!There I said it.
IronDog
Only 5 years more XP support after shipment of Vista according to M$ website.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Best buy. For a fee of course. Will strip away all those extras for ya when you buy a new PC there.
But I agree with ya.
Half that stuff shouldnt be there to begin with.
Other things that crack me up is when they claim a machine comes will all this $ worth of programs installed. and the buyer buys the machine only to find out that all those cool programs that came with it. Are only Trial editions and/or not the full versions
I would never let those retards touch any computer of mine.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I would never let those retards touch any computer of mine.
I ddint. but they made that offer when I bought my Sons Laptop.
Out of curiousity I asked how much. They wanted like $100
I just laughed and said no thanks and did it myself
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Yeah ya gota love a company that you would swear was like this. :D
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/Flaydone/MSimpsons.jpg)
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Originally posted by Easyscor
Only 5 years more XP support after shipment of Vista according to M$ website.
2 things can happen
A. People adapt
B. They fail and linux OS's become very popular.
My guess is people will adapt and cough up the money for upgrades. Sucks though. I liked 98 the best, then i had to get xp and i found it ok, now i have to deal with vista.
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More is less :)