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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ByeBye on November 09, 2006, 01:06:35 AM
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I came up with this just now. My singing and playing a little rough. I like the idea.
click this link (http://arizonaprogreen.com/dont worry.mp3)
Lyrics:
Every sound you make will pass away
we want to hear more of your fine lines
Every deed undone will stay that way
and you're only getting started
If you want to live you'll have to pray
but it won't matter anyway (have faith)
We'll lay your body down in a grave, and we'll pray
Everything you've done just goes away, today
But don't worry, we'll get back with you someday
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i like it. obviously you need to drink more, or less and refine the performance but overall i'd give it a good review.
takes alot of skil the play and sing in tune and ib tine, at the same time, very well done.
whats it in reference to? a person or a place/event?
i thought person.
well done
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Put down the blunt and get your equipment off the roof
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i like it. obviously you need to drink more, or less and refine the performance but overall i'd give it a good review.
takes alot of skil the play and sing in tune and ib tine, at the same time, very well done.
whats it in reference to? a person or a place/event?
i thought person.
well done
Thank you!
I have been drinking a little..lol.
The idea came to me just thinking about what a life means and how relegion trys to make us feel like we mean something. It's sarcastic.
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It's about being dead.
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I have been drinking a little..lol.
ah ha there is the answer, you need to drink ALOT! a little is never enough for music :)
being dead eh? well then it relates to all of us or will do one day. I think you got a good voice for that style of song, kinda radiohead mixed with the more lively supergrass or coldplay vibe. of course, before sounding like other people it sounds original, which is a good thing.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
being dead eh? well then it relates to all of us or will do one day. I think you got a good voice for that style of song, kinda radiohead mixed with the more lively supergrass or coldplay vibe. of course, before sounding like other people it sounds original, which is a good thing.
You are a good man!
And thanks.
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Well, your getting better.
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nevermind
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Well, finally listened to Nuke's "music."
You put yourself out here as being talented and great, so here it is: you couldn't carry a tune in two buckets.
You're not much of a picker, not even a good amateur, so don't get too carried away with your fantasies. If you had an ounce of humility, as you should, I would have said something encouraging.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Well, finally listened to Nuke's "music."
You put yourself out here as being talented and great, so here it is: you couldn't carry a tune in two buckets.
You're not much of a picker, not even a good amateur, so don't get too carried away with your fantasies. If you had an ounce of humility, as you should, I would have said something encouraging.
Gosh where to start.
Let's start w/ the guitar work.
1. Tune that sucker. It sounded terrible. Plenty of free easy tuners out there.
2. Learn to pick. You picking was horrible. I am guessing you are holding the pick totally wrong. It's up down, up down btw, not down, down, up, down or how ever you were doing it.
(http://www.guitarprinciples.com/Guitar_Technique/images/Pick-3.jpg)
(http://www.guitarprinciples.com/Guitar_Technique/images/Pick4.jpg)
the pick should be at @ 45 degree angle ish to the string. It sounded like you are resting the pick flat on the strings and were using too much of the pick when you were strumming.
3. Hand position. This is a huge one. I hear so many screwed up notes while you were playing, and 99% I attribute to you have no clue how to properly hold your left hand while you are playing.
This what I picture you are doing.
(http://www.guitarprinciples.com/images/ctrain2.jpg)
Now, this very well might be an "ok" way to hold your hand if you are playing rock and roll, but unfort. you are playing on an accoustic, and it's 100% wrong.
(http://www.guitarprinciples.com/images/ctrain.jpg)
Your thumb should be in the back of the neck, and helping produce the pressure on the strings.
(http://www.guitarprinciples.com/images/2.jpg)
I could almost not stand listening to you song from all the buzzing of poorly held strings and all the dead notes because you are obviously not doing it correctly.
THIS (http://www.guitarprinciples.com/mp3/goodclipsteel.mp3) is how it should sound.
THIS (http://www.guitarprinciples.com/mp3/badclipsteel.mp3) , if you add some buzzing noise from not holding the string's correctly, is how you sound. (it's actually better than how you sound)
Wow, I could go on and on.
Now I am not saying you totally suck. Far from it. BUT you REALLY REALLY REALLY need some lessons. Both vocal and guitar.
I won't even touch the vocals. Let's just say I didn't really even hear a single note that was in tune. It might have STARTED, or ENDED, or at some point was in tune, but not one note STAYED in tune as you were singing.
Keep practicing, get some lessons, practice lot's, and let's hear what you sound like in say six months.
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I thought that was a lot better than the other ones you posted were, it wasn't half bad I thought.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I thought that was a lot better than the other ones you posted were, it wasn't half bad I thought.
Lord, help us all if that was better than the other ones.
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Nuke, we tried telling you before.
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Byebye,
Nice premise. I think you have a good idea. Have you ever finished anything? All you post here are demos of an idea of a premise. Try to work on finishing something before you rush it out to your aroring fans...
As far as the nay-sayers go, I say that put in the correct environment nuke or byebye or whatever his name is might be able to pull something off. All he's presented here are one-off demos. I personally would be embarassed to post anything he's shown so far but if you dig really deep this one might actually have something to it.
Lute,
If I had a dollar for every time some frustrated guitarist told me that I was "doing it all wrong" I'd be rich. THERE IS NO WRONG WAY! There's your way and there's other people's way. I catch flak because I have a very unique technique used in conjuction with alternate tunings in which I use my thumb A LOT for root notes on E, A, and D strings. There are two kinds of guitarists that approach me: The ones that are amazed by the sounds and chord structures I can get and those who become enraged and blow me off as a hack ("you're cheating" one guy told me...). The thing that always kills me is the fact that the ones who blow me off are paying money to come into a club where I'm getting payed to perform... I understand where you're coming from with this guy but to imply that there's only ONE way to play a guitar is WRONG.
sluggish
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Thanks sluggish.
Yeah, I have a bunch of complete songs, mostly on cassette tape and the masters on 1/2" tape were thrown away a few years ago.
Some of the things those guys are saying about the singing and playing are true. I even mentioned it in my post that the singing and playing were rough.
As you mentioned, these are just on the fly playing and singing as I came up with it and I wasn't worried about the sound quality. The idea was what I was asking about.
I actually laughed out loud at WMLute's comments.:D Some of the most boring guitar players in the world are the one's that are technically very good, but can't come up with anything that is original. I don't know if you are being serious or not WMLute, but really.......do you think that I'm in need of basic guitar playing advice just based off of what I gave you? I have been playing for 24 years. If I wanted to record guitar and make a radio quality demo, I could easily do that. I'll try to find some old demos if you want.
The stuff I have been giving out here are just thrown together in minutes and recorded then posted. My pic is whatever I find around....like a quarter. The strings on the guitar are probably 4 years old and the guitar is tuned below concert pitch and is very loose. Even so, it gets the idea down.
As for singing. I could record the guitar track seperate, then learn the song and record the vocals separate and nail the thing if I felt like it. I could learn the song, play and sing it and nail it too if I had really cared to practice it even a little before recording it.
Did you guys hear any of the pros on the CMA's live performances? These guys are mega stars with mega hits and a lot of them sounded so aweful live. Rascal Flats would not have won Star Search sounding the way they did. The vocals were horrendous. It's not as easy as you think to play and sing live.
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Sluggish, it's probably the fact that I was classically trained on guitar that makes me cringe when I hear a guitar being butchered. I don't have an "issue" really with odd finger placement, IF you can pull it off. I could care less if you use your feet, as long as you make it work. I am willing to bet I was spot on with how byebye was holding his hands and using the pick.
byebye, I would love to hear something you "tried" on. I really would. I actually am a fairly good judge of this stuff. I would really dig hearing what you could do.
I am probably being so tough on ya' because of that 1st post where you were going on and on 'bout your talent, and I have as of yet to hear anything that would be considered remarkable.
Kudos to you for posting your stuff. I sure as heck wouldn't do it in a million years, so I will give you credit for that. Keep with it. And please consider the advice for a teacher, both vocal and guitar.
I too have played 24 years ish, ( might be 23 ) and I know I could use one. You never really stop learning on this stuff, and you sound "rusty" if not just plain in need. A good teacher would be able to break you off the many bad habbits I hear in your voice and playing.
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It sounds like a cheap, poorly set-up guitar with old strings on it to me. I don't have the super-human ability to "see" finger placement. LOL
(I hear what you're saying though)
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"Nuke" supposedly is a "Professional Musician". We have yet to get confirmation.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
"Nuke" supposedly is a "Professional Musician". We have yet to get confirmation.
Ha! :D
He sounds like most people do after they've fooled around with a guitar for about a year. He's confusing sloppy and clumsy as style and reaching up and down for notes while whining as singing. It's truly embarrasssing to listen to since it reminds us of what we all sounded like when we started playing in our early teens.
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Here are two songs from 16 years ago. They were recorded at home and the only copies I have left are on cassette tape. This was taken from cassette, so the sound is kind of fading.
I might find some more and I'll post them if anyone is interested. I have a couple boxes of old cassetts.
Colorful Rain (http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/ColorfulRain.mp3)
Spirits and Ghosts (http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/Spirits%20and%20Ghosts.mp3)
These were demo tapes made on an 8 track reel to reel.
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Rolex, I seem to remember that you played and recorded. Do you have any original songs that you performed that you could post. I'm not above telling you that you are better than I am, if it's true.
I would like to hear your live performance before a 30k crowd. If you played in front of a crowd that large, then that beats me by many miles. I'd like to hear it.
I tried looking up "Swiss Wrist" but couldn't find anything.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Ha! :D
He sounds like most people do after they've fooled around with a guitar for about a year. He's confusing sloppy and clumsy as style and reaching up and down for notes while whining as singing. It's truly embarrasssing to listen to since it reminds us of what we all sounded like when we started playing in our early teens.
Some of the best and my fave guitarists are sloppy.
Get off yer friggin' high horse or start playing yourself and post it.
:furious
BTW Nuke I thought it was pretty cool. I don't have the balls to put my stuff out there for public opnion. Props, bro!
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Thanks Diablo.
I think that a lot musicians that are "trained" are just narrow minded. They usually like to follow a mold and be "correct" while playing. They usually sound like robots.
Kind of like Mr Spock, when they hear something that does not conform to the book that they follow, they can't understand it. Basically, nothing original comes from the die hard technical robots.
That being said, I would like to hear some of Masherbrum and Rolexes original recordings. Live would be great.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
Here are two songs from 16 years ago. They were recorded at home and the only copies I have left are on cassette tape. This was taken from cassette, so the sound is kind of fading.
I might find some more and I'll post them if anyone is interested. I have a couple boxes of old cassetts.
Colorful Rain (http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/ColorfulRain.mp3)
Spirits and Ghosts (http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/Spirits%20and%20Ghosts.mp3)
These were demo tapes made on an 8 track reel to reel.
all I have to say is thank God the 80's are over! lmfao!....not bad though
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Contrary to popular belief, the 80's rocked. Yeah, alot of it sucked but alot of it didn't. I'd go back in a hearbeat.
As for the training aspect, yeah I agree with that assessment. I think that clean playing is awesome too, don't get me wrong, no one like Eric Johnson more than me, but IMHO "sloppy" untrained musicians tend to communicate better. And that's the part of the 80's that I hated...the last 5 years seemed to be nothing but a shred fest between guitar players. Thank god for Stevie Ray Vaughan!!!!!
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Originally posted by ByeBye
Here are two songs from 16 years ago. They were recorded at home and the only copies I have left are on cassette tape. This was taken from cassette, so the sound is kind of fading.
I might find some more and I'll post them if anyone is interested. I have a couple boxes of old cassetts.
Colorful Rain (http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/ColorfulRain.mp3)
Spirits and Ghosts (http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/Spirits%20and%20Ghosts.mp3)
These were demo tapes made on an 8 track reel to reel.
these two songs actually sound pretty good. I for one would like to hear more songs like these, if you don't mind posting them.
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Not bad. Nice bass playing on the second song. Nice poppy sound. Nice vocals. GET THE BAND BACK TOGETHER! YOU'RE GONNA BE A STAR!
http://www.myspace.com/friendsofbobshannon<--MY CRAPPY MUSIC
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The difference between you and I is that I have never claimed to be talented, great, or even competent. I suck. Drunk people in bars will listen to anyone, even my last pathetic band.
Here are two very crappy songs from the end of my "rock" phase a few years ago. I don't play live anymore and I have no illusions of talent.
First crappy song (http://hells-angels.us/dont_want_to.mp3)
An even crappier song (http://hells-angels.us/living_in_tokyo.mp3)
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Thank God for The Misfits, The Cure and Cheap Trick =)
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Originally posted by Rolex
The difference between you and I is that I have never claimed to be talented, great, or even competent. I suck. Drunk people in bars will listen to anyone, even my last pathetic band.
Here are two very crappy songs from the end of my "rock" phase a few years ago. I don't play live anymore and I have no illusions of talent.
First crappy song (http://hells-angels.us/dont_want_to.mp3)
An even crappier song (http://hells-angels.us/living_in_tokyo.mp3)
Don't want reminded me of Old Police kinda.
Living in was very Rush esque.
Kinda liked 'em.
Nice!
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You're too kind, Lute. And tone deaf, I presume? :)
Here is the wimpy, crappy kind of stuff I do in my old age now:
Wimp-crap (http://hells-angels.us/could_u.mp3)
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Hi Jack!
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They don't sound bad Rolex.
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Originally posted by Rolex
The difference between you and I is that I have never claimed to be talented, great, or even competent. I suck. Drunk people in bars will listen to anyone, even my last pathetic band.
Here are two very crappy songs from the end of my "rock" phase a few years ago. I don't play live anymore and I have no illusions of talent.
First crappy song (http://hells-angels.us/dont_want_to.mp3)
An even crappier song (http://hells-angels.us/living_in_tokyo.mp3)
Well, I don't recall Nuke ever saying he was "great" or "talented" without being a little sarcastic.
In regards to these tunes, Rolex, IMHO all they lack is a producer with a little creativity. On the first song a little ska style could have made that song better than Sublime. Ok, maybe not but it has potential. The second song is the same; potential with a comptetant producer. I actually liked the songs as originals, I can only imagine their potential with a good producer.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/david_woodersonSMALL.jpg)
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Originally posted by cav58d
Thank God for The Misfits, The Cure and Cheap Trick =)
80's bands!!! Go figure...
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/david_woodersonSMALL.jpg)
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Well, I don't recall Nuke ever saying he was "great" or "talented" without being a little sarcastic.
I wasn't going to point that part out because I was getting such a kick out of it. It was totally obvious, I thought.
Even if I was being serious, what's the big deal anyway? lol. No reason for people to get nasty. :lol
Two of the songs were a joke as well.
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Crap is crap, any way you slice it. I cringe at listening to myself. There isn't an A&R guy on the planet who wouldn't throw it in the dumpster. It has always been just a diversion for me. You can't play and think about your 'To-do list' for tomorrow.
I think you have me confused with Waffle or someone else, Nuke. I've never done any real recording. They're going back into oblivion where they belong.
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How'd I get into this? :rofl
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Rolex, have you heard the original Gene Simmon's produced Van Halen demo's? Total crap. Really bad. Ted Templeman heard em and said, "Whoa...let's get these guys back in the studio!".
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/david_woodersonSMALL.jpg)
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I just remember that you posted a song a couple years ago and that you said that you performed before 30,000 people.
Rolex, I did the band thing in my twenties. Since then, it has been a hobby for me as well.
My main focus and interest since then has been in songwriting, not performing. I have hundreds of songs that I record very roughly and file away. Sometimes I come up with something that I think is good, then I try to record those. I usually don't play them for anybody either, though a few have been on the local radio shows back in the day.
For me now, I just like having a mic by my computer and my acoustic (with the 4 year old strings) so I don't have to mess around with setting anything up when I want to record something. I used to spend hours and hours going over every little detail in the mixing and the sound of just one song.
Today, I do a lot more with my time than I did when I was young.
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Originally posted by DieAz
these two songs actually sound pretty good. I for one would like to hear more songs like these, if you don't mind posting them.
Thanks. The way I saved these songs is just terrible. I assumed that I would alwaysd have the analog 8 track machine and the master tapes, so the mixdowns onto casssette tapes didn't seem important at the time.
Well, now all I have is a bunch of old cassettes in shoe boxes and none of them are even labeled.......and they are mostly full on both sides. It's a pain to go through them to find the songs I want. A lot of them have drop outs too.
I'll see if I can find a few more that I like too.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Crap is crap, any way you slice it. I cringe at listening to myself. There isn't an A&R guy on the planet who wouldn't throw it in the dumpster. It has always been just a diversion for me. You can't play and think about your 'To-do list' for tomorrow.
Actually, I also think that a good producer would make the two songs I listened to "good". They both had potential, and the 80's ARE back in style now, so who knows?
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Originally posted by ByeBye
That being said, I would like to hear some of Masherbrum and Rolexes original recordings. Live would be great.
I haven't seen members of my band "Jigsaw Jungle" in over 8 years. I'll try and email my buddy (knew him since kindegarten) and see if he has the DAT's. If so, I'll try and convert them. He was our "keeper of the tapes" from early on.
Get this straight Nuke, I'm VERY open minded when it comes to music. I just despise Garth Brooks-Present "Country Music". Talk to my wife about "narrow minded" to music, hell, she never heard of Pink Floyd before we started dating 13 years ago. Now, they're her favorite right up there Queen (she never listened to them either).
I DID play drums for 14 years and sang lead/some backing. I wouldn't sit behind a kit. I've been "out of it" for over 8 years. My timing would be off, and I would not be happy with my results. I am now torn between getting a Strat or an acoustic. I now wish to learn the geeeetar.
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Mash, if ya never played geetar before get the acoustic. If ya have get the Strat. Strat's: being the best at being the bomb since 1954!
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/david_woodersonSMALL.jpg)
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Mash, if ya never played geetar before get the acoustic. If ya have get the Strat. Strat's: being the best at being the bomb since 1954!
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/david_woodersonSMALL.jpg)
No guitar yet. I was leaning towards an Alvarez acoustic. I've been told the strings "lay flatter" on the neck and are a little more "forgiving" for newbies. But, like I do know, it probably is a few person's version of "brand preference".
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I did do a set about 9 years ago at a festival here. I was playing mostly blues then. As I said before, I've never recorded anything, so that's why I think you have me confused with someone else. Those songs, with 10 others, were shopped around extensively years ago and unanimous opinion was a yawn. They're just bar gig songs. I accepted that then and still do. I've never had any aspiration other than to play for myself and enjoy it.
My father earned his living playing music. I'm not even in the same galaxy as he was, or other real pros. I was lucky to play some gigs with some people who put me in jaw-dropping awe. And no one has ever heard of them.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I am now torn between getting a Strat or an acoustic. I now wish to learn the geeeetar.
torn between two choices???
the answer is clear as can be.
get both. you only live once. in real life, that is.