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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: stephen on November 09, 2006, 03:43:20 PM
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Well its been an intresting 7 years, full of fun, learning and the like, but in lite of the recent changes I have come to the decision that I shant be renewing my account,
I feel that the changes where made in the hope of bringing this game to more people,but at the cost of absorbing game play, and breaking up any team cohesion that egsisted before.
Now this isnt to say i blame HT, or the designing team, at fault are a huge range of people including myself....we wouldnt even the teams, we wouldnt pay more money...but we will stand for this war being broken up, now when I join the room I fought so hard for this morning its now a diffrent arena.,,how sad....
I like ftrs, and bombers, flying and fighting, winning at great cost, and losing despite great effort.......but thats all gone replaced by a newb ftr pilots dream, and any aspect of map winning has long since been abandond,.... for all you nay-sayer's ill just say this, there will come a time when you no longer seek ftr on ftr combat exclusivly, when you may find it more fun to try and win a map with team work, and hard work, and time...but it will be as empty for you as it is for me now......
in closing I hope for aces hi's sake that the owner's can in the future find a way of not killing the game for the sake of a couple extra bucks......
sincerly Popseed.:(
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AFAIK, the changes were nothing to do with money but the long term health of the game
but, goodbye
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it's okay, don't worry about AH, it'll be here when you get back. funny you mention the fighter thing. i flew strat for a long time, made me bored and lost interest. i admit i haven't played for seven years, maybe around 4 or so, but i can't imagine going back to the aspect of the game that bored me to death. to each his own though. curious, how to you make the leap from you and a whole bunch of the communtiy affecting gameplay in a way so that HT has to make changes, and then blame HT?
with every change there is a doomsdayer or 2, and i mean every change. fuel crisis, AH2 crisis, FM change crisis, numbers crisis, eny crisis, the list goes on and on. maybe you are just burned out. i don't see how trying to encourage a more healthy community, and creating more new accounts, and trying to make the game better is the "sake of a few extra bucks." to me the game is better, i look forward to the times that i can log on and the game is much more alive than ever:) i've met more people that i normally wouldn't, and atmosphere is generally more friendly. you can still run your missions, i've seen several, and actually participated in one for kicks. not going to try to convince you, just saying, there are other opinions of how the game has changed. lol, noob fighter pilots dream, wow.
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I still fail to see how base taking has been affected by the changes. All it proves is that you needed that 50 plane la7 mission to ever take a base, is all.
Bye.
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Originally posted by Stang
I still fail to see how base taking has been affected by the changes. All it proves is that you needed that 50 plane la7 mission to ever take a base, is all.
Bye.
Yep
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Originally posted by stephen
.... for all you nay-sayer's ill just say this, there will come a time when you no longer seek ftr on ftr combat exclusivly,
I've been furballing for 14+ years. What you fail to see is that furballing is not for the newbie, base taking is. Furballing is the heart and soul of AH and all previous online air combat games, "win the map" is a relatively new game style which IMO contradictory to your assertion, was created exactly for the reason that newbies didnt have to go through the long and difficult task of learning ACM. They could with little skill join a massive mission and take a base and get almost instant satisfaction from the game, as opposed to the long time it takes to become proficient in A-2-A.
I am NOT[/b] saying "win the map" is wrong in any way, just that it is the newbie style of play, not furballing.
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Goodbye.... woot now on to the arena... been working all day and thinking Aces High :aok
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Ah the evil noobs.....it's a shame that new people should discover and play this game and have fun. Absolutly ruining it....I've been playing for 5 months now and I have personally ruined the game for alot of people by flying my cartoon plane around having a good time. Let me just say I am deeply sorry for my actions from now on I'll just sit in the tower and watch so I don't step on anybodys toes.
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7 years is a noob?
:huh
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logged in orange around 5 oclock today, bish 32, rooks 16, knights 16,,yes the new setup has done wonderful things for making the game less of a numbers game and more fun LOL.your right,why stick around and take a map back when you can just hop over into a new arena.?....oh yeh and the other i found amusing as well, splitting into 3 arenas has also allowed you to meet people you wouldnt have otherwise...explain that for me huh>?
I used to have a squad, not huge just about perfect..you kinow what forget it...beating a dead horse..im dust in the wind anyway...off yto LOCK-On...
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Originally posted by stephen
logged in orange around 5 oclock today, bish 32, rooks 16, knights 16,,yes the new setup has done wonderful things for making the game less of a numbers game and more fun LOL.your right,why stick around and take a map back when you can just hop over into a new arena.?....oh yeh and the other i found amusing as well, splitting into 3 arenas has also allowed you to meet people you wouldnt have otherwise...explain that for me huh>?
okay. i fly in a different arena and fight with a guy, not a whorde. at the end of the fight i say gf. maybe in the MA i wouldn't have had an opportunity to fight this person in such a way, thus i wouldn't meet him. pretty simple.
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bye
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well as far as realism is concernd,zzzzpt as far as war goes you never fought one guy hardly..its WAr..and thats what im complaining about...it aint war no more....:cry
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Hmmm, I always thought it was a game?
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Hmmm, I always thought it was a game?
Plainly you have not seen the corpses lying around the streets after a mission.
I'm with others who have said: leave goodbyes like this one to die lonely deaths in the darkness.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Plainly you have not seen the corpses lying around the streets after a mission.
Such is the nature of War I'm afraid.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
AFAIK, the changes were nothing to do with money but the long term health of the game
but, goodbye
heh... who are you kidding? This game is 110% about money.
Tumor
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Stephen, its amazing how many cheerleaders turn up when you say goodbye. Isnt it? :rofl ;)
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See ya Stephen, shame to see a 7 year vet leave.
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Really is strange to see people taunt someone who has been around for so long leaving. Oh well, more noobs for you to shoot down...
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I think the changes you describe Stephen and the things that make it less fun for you have actually happened before the changes in arena setup. All this talk about it just brought it out in the open more.
Leave, take a break.... and when the urge to scratch that itch will become too strong again, AH will be here :).
Take care untill then!
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Sorry to see you go... let us know where ya end up.
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Someone is confused.... this is a game.... otherwise when you go down in flames your out of the game until reset..... you crash land you'd be out for recovery and possibly stateside (out of the war)..... Your captured, you can watch the bombers fly over your camp.
Of course since your in a game.. you can HO or take very chancy actions.... because if you crash... you laugh, cry, whine, hit yourself on the head or whatever and get a new plane ... :aok
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most of the furballers are vets... Most of us tired of the hamster wheel simplistic base capture years ago.
And... we are having more fun now and meeting more people than we ever did.
The old MA was a slum in a big city... like the big city it was full of people who wouldn't even make eye contact... now it is small towns where people wave at each other and know more than their little clique.
The goodbye is fine but to insinuate that whordes milkrunning fields is the most fun someone can have in AH and that everyone gravitates toward that eventualy if they stay long enough is very narrow minded. I have been in HT games for a lot longer than ten years.. he must be doing something right cause he keeps real vets interest in his products.
I believe the mega squads and whordes were an unforseen curse caused by a relaxed realism game folding. I can't believe that anyone liked the milkrunning whordes in nothing but late war planes.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Lazs the correct spelling is "Horde" or "Hordes".
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As a member of Popseed's squadron, I am sad to see his post and departure from the game. He will indeed be missed.
His squadron is not an LA-7 squadron, we are a P-51/P-47 squadron and don't do base swarm captures. He is not one of the LA-7 dweebs and the above comment was unnecessary and untrue, yet typical.
I have heretofore stayed out of the furballers vs toolsheders debate as IMHO it's useless as each person pays for his time in the game and therefore can do what he/she wishes within the game as long as rules of behavior set by the provider are followed.
What alot of people seem to be missing is the "team" aspect in the game. Furballing can be and is fun. Fighter vs Fighter combat is a huge portion of the game, infact it is what air combat is all about. A well ran squadron fighter sweep (4-12 people) is one of the most fun aspects of the game. AH is not set up for team combat on a 4 to 16 person scale. I am not talking about the 30 to 60 person base capturing swarm which was prevelent over the spring/summer in Rookland or on Monday evenings in Bishland.
The changes in the arena setups have caused some problems in squadron operations, but HTC has worked to resolve these and any remaining issues are minor and the squadron's own fault.
It is up to the players to create the "normal" sized squadron activities which build camaraderie and interest in the game. Squadrons are an essential part of the immersion and retention of the playerbase IMHO, and HTC needs to come up with some way to allow that to expand.
I believe that CT will be that outside of the MA's but inside the MA's there needs to be some sort of expansion of the game play. Maybe more targets for ground attack, drone trains on a wider scale, more shipping, truck convoy's etc, I do not know.
I hope that people will continue to give HTC the benefit of the doubt on the new arena's and realize they do indeed care about the gameplay, the players and the ambiance we all experience whenever we log in.
Cheers,
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fencer... not to put too fine a point on it but if you are a p51/p47 squad then you are forced to fly a certain way. the forced part is self induced but no less restrictive.
You also have a huge advantage over 90% of the rest of the planeset and are pretty much immune to them if you fly "smart"... there is the rub...your planes don't don't really participate in furballs.. they lessen em.
your self impossed restrictions are why you have to fly in such a narrow band. I know because I restrict myself (for the most part) to early war planes. The fact that I don't have to deal with you guys anymore due to the arena changes does not break my heart in the least since running into you before was never any fun anyway for early war or slow planes.
That is all fine untill a guy who flys nothing but the fastest planes in the game comes on and says that he knows something of furballs and furballers and that we are just newbies that basicaly... haven't discovered the late war planes and the joy of running away.
all would be fine if he just said that his narrow idea of what should be flown was now not as fun.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Lazs,
I payed the monthly fee, then I wanted to be free to choose the arena, the ride and the game style I preferred. The moment I felt compelled to do something I didnt like then I had to decide if the game was worth my money. It wasnt. You cannot pretend to keep customers satisfied if you try to make them playing the way they dont want. Simple.
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that I shant be renewing
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what does "shant" mean? is it a hybrid of She and Can't? or is it like a reverse shag?
Help?
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I think it's "shall not".
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Game lost its MMOG feel. I cancelled today. See you guys around.
FatSacks
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Ive quit 5 or 6 times over the years...none for that reason. Perhaps next time I quit it will be because of a MMOG feeling, or lack thereof.
Raider
PS Thnx Dam
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Originally posted by gatt
Stephen, its amazing how many cheerleaders turn up when you say goodbye. Isnt it? :rofl ;)
Ahhh... another productive post.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Someone is confused.... this is a game.... otherwise when you go down in flames your out of the game until reset..... you crash land you'd be out for recovery and possibly stateside (out of the war)..... Your captured, you can watch the bombers fly over your camp.
Of course since your in a game.. you can HO or take very chancy actions.... because if you crash... you laugh, cry, whine, hit yourself on the head or whatever and get a new plane ... :aok
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I think "War Game" might clear it up for a few around here. Naturally, the folks who want nothing but pointless dogfights (strategically speaking) never found thier way to the DA. But hey, the horde warriors never found purpose in attacking area's that had a red darbar. Nobody gets off free, if there were a reason FOR everyone to get a pat on the back, perhaps HTC wouldn't have changed the arena setup in the first place.
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Originally posted by lazs2 ]
fencer... not to put too fine a point on it but if you are a p51/p47 squad then you are forced to fly a certain way. the forced part is self induced but no less restrictive.
Nobody in our squad has ever been forced to fly a certain way. You can't force anything on our squad, as flexibility is built in to our way of doing things. We are basically a p51/p47 squad... but check the records, we fly lots of platforms.
You also have a huge advantage over 90% of the rest of the planeset and are pretty much immune to them if you fly "smart"... there is the rub...your planes don't don't really participate in furballs.. they lessen em.
Flying smart and participating in furballs is easy... the 4th participates in furballs. Next?
your self impossed restrictions are why you have to fly in such a narrow band.
The above is based fully on ignorance of the 4th's way of doing things.
I know because I restrict myself (for the most part) to early war planes.
Good, stay in the EW... that's what it's there for.
The fact that I don't have to deal with you guys anymore due to the arena changes does not break my heart in the least since running into you before was never any fun anyway for early war or slow planes.
We're in mutual agreement, your contribution to the game [or boards for that matter] isn't much fun either.
That is all fine untill a guy who flys nothing but the fastest planes in the game comes on and says that he knows something of furballs and furballers and that we are just newbies that basicaly... haven't discovered the late war planes and the joy of running away.
It's good to know you think your way is the right way... very unique argument.
all would be fine if he just said that his narrow idea of what should be flown was now not as fun.
You missed the point... again.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's [/B]
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gatt.. the arena changes have not restricted you from flying any way or type of aircraft.... what you are angry about is that it has given others the choice to not do it with you.
tumor.. that is all well and good and if you are such a diverse and adaptable group then why is your guy singing the blues and blaming the furballers? or... as he says.. fighter on fighter.
He says it is breaking up cohesion... how so? does he mean it no longer forces the "cohesion" of everyone forced into one arena? He certainly doesn't mean that he can't fly with his squadies?
As for the 4th... nope.. don't know anything about em. I may have fought and killed a bunch but it was uremarkable or...more likely... I never look to see what squad a guy is in anyway... I am like 3 to one on kills of Pee 51's or 47's but I rarely rememeber a 51 fight... they are hardly ever that fun for early war planes as I have said.
The guy wants to fly late war planes and milkrun bases... I don't enjoy either...
Soooo... I am glad for the changes and if he can't stay unless everyone is forced into one arena to play with him his way then... I won't miss him.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Sorry to see you go too raider (fatsacks). Likewise, let everyone know where you end up.
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Originally posted by lazs2
gatt.. the arena changes have not restricted you from flying any way or type of aircraft.... what you are angry about is that it has given others the choice to not do it with you.
But it does prevent your squad from flying with you
tumor.. that is all well and good and if you are such a diverse and adaptable group then why is your guy singing the blues and blaming the furballers? or... as he says.. fighter on fighter.
He says it is breaking up cohesion... how so? does he mean it no longer forces the "cohesion" of everyone forced into one arena? He certainly doesn't mean that he can't fly with his squadies?
Well, here again, they are a P51, P47 squad... the dynamic arena setup makes it nearly impossible to fly as a squadron unless one of the arenas is empty... then what fun is that?
As for the 4th... nope.. don't know anything about em. I may have fought and killed a bunch but it was uremarkable or...more likely... I never look to see what squad a guy is in anyway... I am like 3 to one on kills of Pee 51's or 47's but I rarely rememeber a 51 fight... they are hardly ever that fun for early war planes as I have said.
I keep expecting you to break into a chorus of Mac Davis' "Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble" any second
The guy wants to fly late war planes and milkrun bases... I don't enjoy either...
Nothing wrong with late-war planes.... any run can be a milkrun when people choose to fly 90 seconds to find a furball and play "Air Quake" instead of defend. But I guess you have to keep using that buzzword to try to give your views credibility while attempting to belittle others.
Soooo... I am glad for the changes and if he can't stay unless everyone is forced into one arena to play with him his way then... I won't miss him.
Glad you are happy with the changes, a 7 year AH customer isnt... but yet you give him the ol' "Dont let the doorknob hit ya......." farewell. For a lot of us, the game is about flying WITH our friends / squad members, which game we choose to play is secondary. I have been avoiding posting again on this subject but when a guy says "I have been here 7 years and I am done" Then gets called "Newb" "Milkrunner" "doomsdayer" saying he "NEEDS a 50 LA7 mission to take a base" or the famous "Whorde" Fact is Squads engage in teamwork if we choose to take a base, we do it as a team, if we go on a fighter sweep, it is as a team.
WHY have a squad that is split by arena boundaries or have part of the squad fly for a different country? It defeats the purpose. You guys can keep up the "Whorde" "Milkrunner" "Toolshedder" or whatever buzzword you choose, fact is Teamwork = Success... try it sometime!
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Everyone has the impression that the arana changes were brought about to improve game play. EWA has a max of 350 players allowed, same for MWA, but the LWA where most of the public choses to play has very limited number for max allowed players , why is that? Isn't HTC concered with improving game play in either of the EWA or MWA by insuring that the number of players does not exceed a certain number?
The changes to the arena are not to balance sides, the changes are to balances usage of the servers on which the game is played.
If you had 350 people all in the EWA, you'd see HTC split it up into several machines. It's the servers people. not the game play that HTC is interested is serving. While their advertisement still carries the mention of MMOG as a draw, I 'm pretty sure that they will be changing that.
Currently the EWA can't be considered an MMOG by any of todays gaming standards. 5 people on Knight, 7 on Rooks and 15 Bish is not an MMOG.
You can aruge with lazs2 until you are blue in the face, he just doesn't get it. Its not furballing or toolsheding, It's the squad thing; and the new set up makes it hard for squads to link up for an evening of flying, no matter what type of flying they do.
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Lazs,
I canceled my account becouse during my wife-free euro evenings or saturdays I wasnt able to find a well populated arena and always fly the plane I wanted. I wasnt always able to find a big fight, a big raid to intercept, a field to defend from enemy missions. And above all my squad was not always able to gather and play togheter. All things I/we were able to do in the old chaotic MA. Thats why.
I've never ever, in 7 years, wanted or pushed other players to play the way I want(ed). The first time I felt someone was doing this to me and my squad then I quit.
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Sorry to see you go too gatt
I too am about to pay my last months subscription while the rest of the squad decides where we are going... most of the 32 of us have been here over 4 or 5 years and while we dont want to leave, it has become a must.
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Originally posted by Traveler
... the changes are to balances usage of the servers on which the game is played.
Wrong.
The arena capacity is about 1000, with multiple arenas on a server. It has to do with the gaming 'atmosphere'.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Wrong.
The arena capacity is about 1000, with multiple arenas on a server. It has to do with the gaming 'atmosphere'.
PLease define "gaming atmosphere" I really don't understand what that means. The game is played by rules that are programmed into the game.
The arena changes have done nothing to balance game play. Sides are still very uneven. But there are fewer disconnects.
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HT has said it had nothing to do with balancing the arenas, he did it because, in his words, populations above 250-300 become disfunctional. HT has said that CH200, and the cesspool it had become, is a result of this disfunctionality.
People ***** about the arena split, but one thing I have noticed, and this was one of the stated goals of the split, is that CH200 is much less active, and when it is active it is much more respectful.
Maybe HT and Pyro know what they are doing?
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is that CH200 is much less active, and when it is active it is much more respectful.
what arena you flying in?
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Originally posted by lazs2
tumor.. that is all well and good and if you are such a diverse and adaptable group then why is your guy singing the blues and blaming the furballers? or... as he says.. fighter on fighter.
I didn't notice any blues singing or blaming... Fencer & Pops were making some valid points without reading in to anything... unlike you. You have been corrected, again. Live with it.
He says it is breaking up cohesion... how so? does he mean it no longer forces the "cohesion" of everyone forced into one arena? He certainly doesn't mean that he can't fly with his squadies?
Perhaps he certainly does. He was in fact having trouble getting in with the guys. We've taken care of that by doing something other than beating a dead horse on the AH boards.
As for the 4th... nope.. don't know anything about em. I may have fought and killed a bunch but it was uremarkable or...more likely... I never look to see what squad a guy is in anyway... I am like 3 to one on kills of Pee 51's or 47's but I rarely rememeber a 51 fight... they are hardly ever that fun for early war planes as I have said.
Well arent you just special
The guy wants to fly late war planes and milkrun bases... I don't enjoy either...
Good thing you aren't King then eh? Just a peasant like the rest of us.
Soooo... I am glad for the changes and if he can't stay unless everyone is forced into one arena to play with him his way then... I won't miss him.
Fortunately it will probably be another 4yrs before I bother to respond to your drivel. UNfortunately, I occasionally find myself sucked into participating with a troll. Go find a bridge.[/B]
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Wait a minute! If AH is war......then....gasp!.......I've been dead since my first flight!
I wonder if someday they'll find my remains in the wreckage of my P38G and I can finally go home?
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what lazs said:
And... we are having more fun now and meeting more people than we ever did.
Translated:
THis is brilliant, HTC has supplied me even more "n(o)obs" for me to kill and prove my l33tn355!!!!
HTC has killed this game for many, and im starting to wonder if the problem wasn't with the mentality of the majority in the old MA, but the very vocal "few" (Disclaimer: not the squad), that chelp and belittle everyone in here and in the MA, that had an opinion different to theirs.
Sad to see a vet leave for the reasons he's stating, very sad indeed.
Glad i left quietly and didnt give you "few" the satisfaction.
popseed
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argue it any way you want but there are 4 arenas with 12 sides to be on.... about 11 of those sides have plenty of room for a squad to play on as a group in numbers up to 32 or more.
What he is crying about is that eveyone isn't forced into one arena where his plane is in the very top couple of usefull planes. He further limits himself to one chess piece and is unwilling to change.
mrnogame... you don't even have the guts to tell us who you are... I doubt that you play.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Grits
HT has said it had nothing to do with balancing the arenas, he did it because, in his words, populations above 250-300 become disfunctional. HT has said that CH200, and the cesspool it had become, is a result of this disfunctionality.
People ***** about the arena split, but one thing I have noticed, and this was one of the stated goals of the split, is that CH200 is much less active, and when it is active it is much more respectful.
Maybe HT and Pyro know what they are doing?
Heck, I haven't been on ch 200 for ages and ages, I always believed it was a cesspool since it's inception and haven't monitored it. I believe it would have been far less disruptive to have disabled it entirely than what has transpired. It's more akin to hunting squirrle with a 12 gauge shotgun. I also support the breakup of the arenas into early, mid, and late war planesets.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by lazs2
argue it any way you want but there are 4 arenas with 12 sides to be on.... about 11 of those sides have plenty of room for a squad to play on as a group in numbers up to 32 or more.
What he is crying about is that eveyone isn't forced into one arena where his plane is in the very top couple of usefull planes. He further limits himself to one chess piece and is unwilling to change.
mrnogame... you don't even have the guts to tell us who you are... I doubt that you play.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
First there are not 4 Arenas and 12 sides to chose from. If you have a squad of 18, All 18 have to be in an arena just to communicate and discover where everyone is. Then you would have to log out of that first arena and back in to the arena that would allow for the 18. Now if you are a toolsheder, You only have one choice where there are the number to offer some kind of fun game play; that's the LWA, not because it's easy, but because it generally offers the most challenging game play.
AH has only provided the tools to locate your squad after loging in to an arena.
I originally became a paying customer because I wanted to play an MMOG. With the main arena that is what AH offered. With the new arena set up. I don't see the game as an MMOG at this point.
The only way to balance sides if that is what AH's was attempting to do is, to automaticly balance sides everytime you attempt to enter a flight.
In other words, Everyone would wait in a tower, there would only be one tower and at that point you chose your aircraft and select the fly button you get spawned at a base. It would only be at that point that you would know what side you were on. That would distroy the squad community which was the only reason I play this game. but that would balance sides, if that is what AH is attempting to do, it's the only way sides will ever be balanced. I"d stop playing at that point.
When I first signed up for the two week membership, that first time I signed in, AH assigned me to a side. I"ve been a Knight all this time. That's the side I play for. That's my team. I'm not a side switcher. I think it's part of the fun of the game to be fighting for one side. It's the American way to fight a war. It's the way we play all our games. When you played ball, you played for your team, right? I know going in that at some time of the day, my team may be out numbered. It's a three sided war, in theory each side is out numbered by the total of the other two teams.
I'm glad you enjoy the early war arena, but the numbers of players that only want to fly early war planes is limited. The largest number of people I've seen in that arena has been 45, Split between three sides that's not many on any one side. If a large squad rolls in to that arena the game becomes totally unbalanced. But your one arena allows up to a max of 350. While my arena only allows a max of 120. I want to be equal to you. I want at least 350. I want the larger numbers. I want an MMOG as advertised by AH, "with hundreds of other pilots".
Currently the only thing that AH has accomplished is to spread the palyer community out over several servers. The server load is balanced, but not the player community in any one arena. Tell me Lazs if everyone signed on to the EWA would that max number remain at 350 or would AH do to the EWA exactly what it has done to the LWA and split the arena.
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Originally posted by lazs2
argue it any way you want but there are 4 arenas with 12 sides to be on.... about 11 of those sides have plenty of room for a squad to play on as a group in numbers up to 32 or more.
What he is crying about is that eveyone isn't forced into one arena where his plane is in the very top couple of usefull planes. He further limits himself to one chess piece and is unwilling to change.
mrnogame... you don't even have the guts to tell us who you are... I doubt that you play.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Again you miss the big picture. Fencer has been around longer than you could even wish to say you were. He was a major player back in the AW DOS days and some of his revelations are in the manual. He knows what he's talking about and you respond to his post in your usual condensending form and belittle him for his observations and opinions. I fail to see where he was "crying" about anything. Next you accuse him of being a late war plane fanatic but there are 51-B's and 47-D-11's in mid war. You still go with the side switching routine. It's really hard to get an entire squad to jump at will from hour to hour unless everybody had invite rights. It takes a lot of time to switch the players to a different side and then invite them back into the squad. It's not practical, it's not efficient, and it's time consuming and not all of us have a lot of time to devote to our favorite recreation as we have jobs, families, and other responsibilities. Your style of gameplay is "Lone Wolf" and a vast majority of gameplay style is "Team Work". Last but not least is the "chess piece", why shoud it matter to you? I don't care that you jump around and will and you shouldn't worry if other don't want to. Who died and made you master of AH anyways? Just take three valiums and don't call us in the morning.
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by Traveler
First there are not 4 Arenas and 12 sides to chose from. If you have a squad of 18, All 18 have to be in an arena just to communicate and discover where everyone is. Then you would have to log out of that first arena and back in to the arena that would allow for the 18. Now if you are a toolsheder, You only have one choice where there are the number to offer some kind of fun game play; that's the LWA, not because it's easy, but because it generally offers the most challenging game play.
AH has only provided the tools to locate your squad after loging in to an arena.
I originally became a paying customer because I wanted to play an MMOG. With the main arena that is what AH offered. With the new arena set up. I don't see the game as an MMOG at this point.
The only way to balance sides if that is what AH's was attempting to do is, to automaticly balance sides everytime you attempt to enter a flight.
In other words, Everyone would wait in a tower, there would only be one tower and at that point you chose your aircraft and select the fly button you get spawned at a base. It would only be at that point that you would know what side you were on. That would distroy the squad community which was the only reason I play this game. but that would balance sides, if that is what AH is attempting to do, it's the only way sides will ever be balanced. I"d stop playing at that point.
When I first signed up for the two week membership, that first time I signed in, AH assigned me to a side. I"ve been a Knight all this time. That's the side I play for. That's my team. I'm not a side switcher. I think it's part of the fun of the game to be fighting for one side. It's the American way to fight a war. It's the way we play all our games. When you played ball, you played for your team, right? I know going in that at some time of the day, my team may be out numbered. It's a three sided war, in theory each side is out numbered by the total of the other two teams.
I'm glad you enjoy the early war arena, but the numbers of players that only want to fly early war planes is limited. The largest number of people I've seen in that arena has been 45, Split between three sides that's not many on any one side. If a large squad rolls in to that arena the game becomes totally unbalanced. But your one arena allows up to a max of 350. While my arena only allows a max of 120. I want to be equal to you. I want at least 350. I want the larger numbers. I want an MMOG as advertised by AH, "with hundreds of other pilots".
Currently the only thing that AH has accomplished is to spread the palyer community out over several servers. The server load is balanced, but not the player community in any one arena. Tell me Lazs if everyone signed on to the EWA would that max number remain at 350 or would AH do to the EWA exactly what it has done to the LWA and split the arena.
Where do I begin?
Well, if you have a squad of only 18, then the ch 4 red standard squad text channel works across all arenas making it as if all of your squadmates online are in the same arena. Very easy to communicate, just like before the change, the only exception being you can't use vox across arenas. I'd expect that to be fixed too though. I'm assuming you guys use not the default squad channel but a numbered channel? Why?
Again for the 1,000th time the changes have nothing to do with server balance. If you notice all of the Main Arenas have the same ping time, because they all run off the same server. EW, MW, LW1 and LW2 all run off the same server. Yup, they do, just like the huge MA of all did. So actually now you have more people across more arenas on the same server. Kind of blows away your "server balance" argument, doesn't it?
Why are you so against balanced sides? Can you only do the toolshed thing if you have a numbers advantage so it's actually possible to lemming toolshed that undefended base? I'm assuming so, everything I see in the MA points to that observation.
Only challenging gameplay in the LW arenas? Please, allow me to laugh... How can only flying the best, fastest, most heavily bomb laden late war uber rides make doing anything a challenge? If anything, it makes it vastly easier, since less planes should be able to accomplish more with better performance and armament. Oh, and the strat "game" in AH is about as complicated as moving your mouse to click on a desktop icon. Click click!
The changes aren't perfect, but your constant thick headedness about the reasons they were implemented is growing tiring, especially when numerous players, including HiTech himself have repeatedly explained them to you. Go back and read Pyro's orignal post on why the change was implemented. That cleared it all up for me.
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Originally posted by Stang
Where do I begin?
Well, if you have a squad of only 18, then the ch 4 red standard squad text channel works across all arenas making it as if all of your squadmates online are in the same arena. Very easy to communicate, just like before the change, the only exception being you can't use vox across arenas. I'd expect that to be fixed too though. I'm assuming you guys use not the default squad channel but a numbered channel? Why?
Again for the 1,000th time the changes have nothing to do with server balance. If you notice all of the Main Arenas have the same ping time, because they all run off the same server. EW, MW, LW1 and LW2 all run off the same server. Yup, they do, just like the huge MA of all did. So actually now you have more people across more arenas on the same server. Kind of blows away your "server balance" argument, doesn't it?
Why are you so against balanced sides? Can you only do the toolshed thing if you have a numbers advantage so it's actually possible to lemming toolshed that undefended base? I'm assuming so, everything I see in the MA points to that observation.
Only challenging gameplay in the LW arenas? Please, allow me to laugh... How can only flying the best, fastest, most heavily bomb laden late war uber rides make doing anything a challenge? If anything, it makes it vastly easier, since less planes should be able to accomplish more with better performance and armament. Oh, and the strat "game" in AH is about as complicated as moving your mouse to click on a desktop icon. Click click!
The changes aren't perfect, but your constant thick headedness about the reasons they were implemented is growing tiring, especially when numerous players, including HiTech himself have repeatedly explained them to you. Go back and read Pyro's orignal post on why the change was implemented. That cleared it all up for me.
The red squad channel doesn't work , in fact none of the tools work until everyone is first signed on into an arean. Which means that many people then have to sign out and back in. It's a pain for the squads.
Would you please tell me, how the new arean set up balances the sides? It doesn't. You can log in to any arena and the sides are not balanced. If the purpose of the change was to balance sides; it has not accomplished that. I never said I was against balanced sides. Please show me where I have ever asked for balanced sides.
Yes, for my money, I thinkg game play in the LWA is more challenging. Because if a squad of 18 rolls into the EWA and makes the sides 25 knights and only 7 rooks and 10 Bishop, that's not going to be much of a challeng.
I'm talking numbers of players, not quality of the player. Don't personalize everything. I'm not. I"m asking what the purpose of the arena changes are, because I don't see how it makes anything better, just more difficult.
Why is the maximum number of players set at 350 for the EWA and MWA. Why that high a number?
I've never hear HiTech Creations explain any of this. Just people with Second hand information and their best guess. I"ve looked for pyro's post, can't find it. Do you know where it is? Would love to see this actual explanition. Where is it posted?
As to the ride our squad uses you presume much, but it is the LWA and everyone if free within it to fly what they want to fly. just as those in the EWA arer able to fly what they chose to fly. right?
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Originally posted by lazs2
fencer... not to put too fine a point on it but if you are a p51/p47 squad then you are forced to fly a certain way. the forced part is self induced but no less restrictive.
You also have a huge advantage over 90% of the rest of the planeset and are pretty much immune to them if you fly "smart"... there is the rub...your planes don't don't really participate in furballs.. they lessen em.
your self impossed restrictions are why you have to fly in such a narrow band. I know because I restrict myself (for the most part) to early war planes. The fact that I don't have to deal with you guys anymore due to the arena changes does not break my heart in the least since running into you before was never any fun anyway for early war or slow planes.
That is all fine untill a guy who flys nothing but the fastest planes in the game comes on and says that he knows something of furballs and furballers and that we are just newbies that basicaly... haven't discovered the late war planes and the joy of running away.
all would be fine if he just said that his narrow idea of what should be flown was now not as fun.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Lazs,
I was going to comment on your reading comprehension, or lack thereof but I see that you have 18000+ posts. It would seem that you can therefore type, but you don't seem to be reading too well.
I also was going to type a well formed point by point rebutal of your post, but I will attempt to sum it up in a few sentences so you can move on to your next post.
Fly what you want, enjoy your time and furball all you want. I don't want to tell you to do otherwise. The real war was not a furball, but you already know that. I am pleased that you like to fly certain planes, that is the fun of the game. Please do not judge others because we like other types of planes. Everyone should fly what they want where they want. HTC has done an excellent job of giving everyone that opportunity. And I have no self imposed restrictions. I can fly a spit or another turn plane to my heart's content and do so when the mood strikes. But I am a P-51 fan and therefore spend my time in them as I am told you do in the Wildcat family.
I know quite a bit about furballing, thank you. The comment about "team" was for those in a squadron. AH has a great setup for those who wish 1v1 or other similar size fights but hardly anything other than base capture for those more interested in larger group participations.
Lastly, I do not consider people who fly LA-7s, F4Fs, Yaks or Spit XVIs or other turn fighting planes newbies, I consider them other pilots worthy of their opinions on what they want to fly and enjoy. You might try applying that to people who fly the Fw190D9, P-51D, P-47D and other fast fighters.
Cheers,
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Traveler:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187156
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187226
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fencer.. my reading comprehension is just fine. I simply don't see your problem. If you only want to frly with your squad and they as a squad will only fly 51 and 47 then you have in effect. limited yourself to a 51 47 arena by limiting yourself to that squad... matters not what you personaly will or won't fly.
Now... that is not so bad tho is it? you have mid and lw 1 and 2... that is 3 arenas and 9 sides to get your, at the very most...18 guys on.
dockelly (if you really are a doctor).... I don't know how long he has been on but I have been on since dos AW myself... I have not stayed with AW past the dos stage because it was frankly and inferior product to the ones that HT put out.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Tumor
heh... who are you kidding? This game is 110% about money.
Tumor
Could someone please tell me what business man goes into business not to make money????
wizer
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Originally posted by hitech
Traveler:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187156
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187226
Would you agree that the current set-up has actually created a bigger imbalance in numbers on a more regular basis?
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Lots of limited thinking going on out there...
Anyone that has cruised these boards knows all this has been hashed and rehashed many time... with explainations. If you like it stay, if you don't then leave. That is what free market is all about.
Maybe a few of the one's leaving might team with you and make a top notch Games like Aces High. Takes alot more than coding.....
Sorry if I offended anyone in my babbling!
OVER
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Originally posted by Wizer
Could someone please tell me what business man goes into business not to make money????
wizer
Money=long term, large, 80%+happy, reliable customer base wizer
im no entrerpuener but....
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Originally posted by lazs2
fencer.. my reading comprehension is just fine. I simply don't see your problem. If you only want to frly with your squad and they as a squad will only fly 51 and 47 then you have in effect. limited yourself to a 51 47 arena by limiting yourself to that squad... matters not what you personaly will or won't fly.
...snip....
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Lzs --
In fairness, Fencer did say that there are no limits placed -- either in planeset or in who you fly with -- by the 4th FG. That's what he meant by reading comprehension....and well, I guess he had a point. After all, the P-51B and the P-47D-11 are MW planes.
Having been a member of the 4th in the past, I can also say that there is NO pressure about what you fly or who you fly with. It IS kinda cool to be historically based, and since Fencer is also a skinner the 4th has a great collection of historical skins for the planes the 4th FG/ Eagle squadron actually flew: P-51B, P-51D, P-47 (all variants), and Spit V.
The 4th FG does NOT deserve to be hit for things Lazs doesnt like about certain restrictive squads. Those things, for better or worse, just dont apply to the 4th. Those guys do what they like, but mostly they lilke fighters (including some turners). If they happen to like the feel of following a particular RL squadron, why do you care?
So Lazs, you've gotten the wrong tree this time. There's nothing to be hunted up there; and the scent you're chasing is actually another hunting dog!
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AAArghh..well this is just running around in the same circle again isnt it?..
I fly alot of planes, "We" fly alot of diffrent A/C, B26's 24's 17's ju88's 87's, Ki's, 51's, spits, la's, everything pretty much,
I like the fw190 best personaly,..that aspect of the game has always pleased me. Puting them all to use and actualy DO'ing somthing of what I feels like importance {like popping a couple torps at an nme cv} was fun and mabey even possible, but only if you worked together...
The cv's are ignored almost now...until somone ploughs one into an nme airfield.
The game took real tactical thought, and ability, and darnit it leadership........I learnd who put on a good mission, and when your side actualy put faith in the guy leading it, and if he knew his stuff, you could accomplish a great victory..{and you guys are right its just a game}, but WHAT a game, I flew in a 25 person B24 mission once, and we saw probably 3 comets, and 7 262's and I died and it was a friggin blast!
.................and now its gone............the feeling, the happiness, the loss, and the sense of worth, so what do you guys who like the new setup LIKE about it? I mean i dig the early war...and Ii think it would be a mistake to lose it, its great to have alot of guys in there, but THAT doesnt happen either.....I dont mean to be livid but this game is suffering an illness....and as bad a taste as the words "rolling planeset" put in my mouth, it would make darn near everyone happy at-least some of the time........
thanx for the input, thx 4th FG!!!, and thanx for being passionat enough about the "game" to have an opinion. laters.:aok
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Originally posted by stephen
you could accomplish a great victory
I think this is where the big divide is located. Thanks for summarizing it.
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sim... I read what fencer said... I just don't see how he can't find an arena where 18 or fewer of his squadies can go. they are a 47/51 squad with... no limitations as you and he say... but..
they are saying that they can't fly with their squadies in this new setup.. that means that they are limiting themselves...
We have the same thing... some of our guys may want to fly the 51d but the rest maybe don't want to go to LW... we could say that HT limited our ability to get together but that would not be true. We are the ones doing it in that case... either the one won't switch or the rest won't go to him.
There is allways plenty of room in some arena if you are willing to fly a variety of planes for any country. that is all I am saying. If the 4th can't get together it is their fault.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
sim... I read what fencer said... I just don't see how he can't find an arena where 18 or fewer of his squadies can go. they are a 47/51 squad with... no limitations as you and he say... but..
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Wow, I never said that lazs2.
What alot of people seem to be missing is the "team" aspect in the game. Furballing can be and is fun. Fighter vs Fighter combat is a huge portion of the game, infact it is what air combat is all about. A well ran squadron fighter sweep (4-12 people) is one of the most fun aspects of the game. AH is not set up for team combat on a 4 to 16 person scale. I am not talking about the 30 to 60 person base capturing swarm which was prevelent over the spring/summer in Rookland or on Monday evenings in Bishland.
The changes in the arena setups have caused some problems in squadron operations, but HTC has worked to resolve these and any remaining issues are minor and the squadron's own fault.
It is up to the players to create the "normal" sized squadron activities which build camaraderie and interest in the game. Squadrons are an essential part of the immersion and retention of the playerbase IMHO, and HTC needs to come up with some way to allow that to expand.
I said that the GAME has not provided anything for squadrons to do other than base capture. Again, read carefully before you start throwing out statements like that.
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Ok.. so you are saying that the game has not provided anything for a squad to do other than base capture.... I disagree (you can kill red planes) but...
How is this different now than the old MA? Are you saying the new arenas are no better or worse than the old MA so far as squad operations go?
You certainly have no problem getting 4-8 guys all in one arena.
So what are you really complaining about?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Well, your characterization of Popseed was my only complaint.
The rest was an observation. Thanks for taking time to read it though!
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Originally posted by Wizer
Could someone please tell me what business man goes into business not to make money????
wizer
Anyone that goes into the flight school business.
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fencer... my only complaint was popyseeds characterization of those who enjoyed fighting red planes, and... his saying that he couldn't find a place for 4-12 or whatever of his squadmates to play.
But.. thanks for reading what I wrote.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
fencer... my only complaint was popyseeds characterization of those who enjoyed fighting red planes, and... his saying that he couldn't find a place for 4-12 or whatever of his squadmates to play.
But.. thanks for reading what I wrote.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
lazs2,
Popseed never said that either. I think you are mixing your threads or posts in the threads or old posts or something up. Maybe some sort of data program where you can keep track of threads and posts would be helpful.
Not a problem reading your posts in this thread, just don't expect me to try and keep up with you everywhere.
Cheers,
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fencer... he said..
"I like ftrs, and bombers, flying and fighting, winning at great cost, and losing despite great effort.......but thats all gone replaced by a newb ftr pilots dream, and any aspect of map winning has long since been abandond,.... for all you nay-sayer's ill just say this, there will come a time when you no longer seek ftr on ftr combat exclusivly, when you may find it more fun to try and win a map with team work, and hard work, and time...but it will be as empty for you as it is for me now......"
Now if that does not say it I don't know what does.... ".......but thats all gone replaced by a newb ftr pilots dream, "
he doesn't stop there tho but condencends to tell us that some day when we grow up......
"you no longer seek ftr on ftr combat exclusivly, when you may find it more fun to try and win a map with team work, and hard work, and time..."
yeah... the real "hard work" of the tic tac toe complexity of strat in the game....
In all.. the post was pouty and condencending.. what kind of a reaction did he expect? How am I reading it wrong?
In fact... I think just the opposite of what he says is true... it is the mouse weilding newbies who embrace the hamster wheel field capture and griefing and the vets who embrace fighter on fighter.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by gatt
Lazs,
I canceled my account becouse during my wife-free euro evenings or saturdays I wasnt able to find a well populated arena and always fly the plane I wanted. I wasnt always able to find a big fight, a big raid to intercept, a field to defend from enemy missions. And above all my squad was not always able to gather and play togheter. All things I/we were able to do in the old chaotic MA. Thats why.
Sorry to hear that gatt... come back soon. Nothing HTC's done has a real effect on flying with squadies or finding a big fight without a little patience.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Would you agree that the current set-up has actually created a bigger imbalance in numbers on a more regular basis?
I would... since the arena setup change, I've seen more horde warrioring than before. I've also seen a tendency in the "larger" of arena's for daytime flyer's to take advantage of the lack of balance to create serious imbalance in geographic terms for the "night flyer's" (ie, the bulk of the game U.S. time-zones). I'm not restricting my observation to any particular side, however... I'm sure the last week+ has been an eye opener to your average Rook in Orange-land.