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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Kev367th on November 13, 2006, 01:27:59 PM
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Just checked back through some of the previous tours stats.
Spit XIV is consitently the lowest K/D ratio of any of the perked planes.
It averages around 1.1/1.2, while all the other perk planes manage 2.1/2.2+.
Since the Ta-152 (similar K/D as the XIV) has been unperked, maybe it's time to try the XIV unperked for a tour or two.
Yup it's great high alt, which would be fine if thats where the overwhelming majority of AH fights occured at.
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would be nice for killing those 20K plus pony drivers:cool:
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wow, the ta152 is unperked?
Something I wish I would see more is high altitude fights.
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I got about 20 kills/3 sorties i think in spit14 today.I was fighting on deck vs usual ma rides.It's very fast for a spit, turns good, guns are great...
Only problem is people don't fly it much.Why - i don't know?
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The thing about the 152 is that it sucks. Anywhere. All the time. Even free, few people fly it.
The thing about the Spit14 is that it's the FASTEST spit in the arena, faster than 90% of the other planes in the arena, as well, it climbs better than a 109K-4, almost, and it has easy-mode Hispanos and 50cals. It turns almost as tight as all the other spits.
Put that together, and if it were unperked it would be the most widely flown spit EVER in AH history.
See, the 152 was unperked because it blows. It's by no means uber. The spit14 is perked BECAUSE it is uber. I've had sorties where I was in a spit14, lost an elevator, and STILL out turned 2 LA7s and a p51 that were gang banging me on the deck. I ended up with 4 kills after I lost an elevator, and still made it home safely to land. No other plane would have let me do that.
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Why?
Easy to answer -
Up high there are only a few (all free apart from the F4U4 but that has a 2.2+ K/D) that can give it a run for its money.
Down low in the AH2 gangbang it's nothing special, just a faster Spit.
Disagree Krusty -
All the other Spits out-turn it easily, even going with the Griffon torque. Go against it the rest of the Spits have no problem out turning it.
Yup it has Hispanos, but lets be honest how many kills are from the 50's only. Very very few I would guess.
Faster than 90% of the planeset, well that means there is 10% faster than the XIV, not all perked. Then again it depends where your flying it, high or low.
Thats like saying the D9 is the fastest 190 therefore it should be perked, or are you suggesting the fastest model of all plane types should be perked?
Last tour it finished with a K/D ratio almost equal to the 152, (1.2), inferior to the K4 (1.5), was in 19th place, and by far and away the lowest of all the remaining perked rides, which were all at the top, with a 2.2+ K/D.
Most widely flown - That would be interesting, still think a lot (esp the noobs would take the XVI, after all XVI is higher than XIV so it must be better,lol).
XVI and VIII are still better suited to the MA low alt gangbang.
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Also like to add it is only in that % till boost runs out . Then it not much faster than any other spit.
Yup has to be perked cuz of the 5 min boost.
:rolleyes:
Bronk
Edit: how about a spit worth perking like say a Mk XII. (had to sneak that in here)
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Max speed in the typical low alt MA -
331 without WEP
361 with WEP
Hardly stellar is it.
P-51, Tiff, D9, K4, La7, Ta-152, La5, Yak 9U just a few that are faster.
Like I said IF the fights were hi-alt, yup, no problems, but they aren't.
Bronk - Even the XII is only on par with the 190-A5 ( http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-XII.html ), the ONLY perk-worthy Spit would be the F.21
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But kev you are missing the point....no uber spits :D
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Kev, the spit14 does abot 358(W)/332(NW) at sea level. So it's got 5 minutes of WEP? So what? So do all but the LW planes in this game. Heck the P47N has 3 minutes, and the Ki84 has about 2 minutes. 5 is the norm. Yes it has wep for only 5 minutes, but so do almost all the other planes it'll fight.
The only planes faster than it on the deck are: Temp, Typh, P51B/D (by 5mph and 10mph), La7 (spit14 is faster than la5 even), F4U-4, 190D and 109K-4.That's 8 planes (not counting jets) out of about 80+ choices. Very small selection is faster than it.
You don't see that many tempests. Typhies are easy to kill in anything as long as they don't run away. P51s can give it a fight but spit14's better in the vertical and in turns and in snapshots. LA7 can he tough if the pilot is good, but a good LA7 pilot? Come ON! That happens once in a blue moon. F4U-4 is a monster turner now, always was BS in the zoom, but the spit14 is at least its equal in climb, vertical zoom, and both are close in turning. 190D: See typhie comments. 109K-4: All they do now is rope and HO. Sometimes they cherry pick. It's rare to see anybody actually dogfight with this plane anymore. The 30mm gun means the spit14 has a BIG advantage in avoiding getting hit, and has a BIG advantage of landing a critical blow on the 109 on the first ping.
So frankly, you can't claim it's a weaker performer. Even HTC said in a comment once something like "Spit14 is perked because of its zoom climb" [from a post on forums many years ago]. When I fly it the only thing I fear is my own stupidity. I fear no la7, no p51, no tempest. Nothing. Nada. And if I don't toally screw up and show them my arse saying "Come and get it!" then I'll make it home alive after the sortie, every time.
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We've got a plane doing 378mph at deck, 10minutes of WEP duration, 3x20mms... for free..
A plane that does 380mph at deck, quad Hizookas, for free...
A plane that does 375mph at deck... for free,,
A plane doing 365mph at deck, with 10 minutes of WEP, and initial 4,500fpm+ climbrate and a 30mm cannon.. for free.
..and a chuckload of contemporary superplanes, for free.
There's no reason the Spit14 should be unperked, or rather, no reason why other superplanes shouldn't be perked. In terms of balance, as long as planes like the P-51D, Bf109K-4, La-7, Fw190D-9, Typh.. etc. remain free, there's no justifying the perks on the Spit14 and the F4U-4.
The Ta-152H is finally free. One down, two more to go for UTSTAFF
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Originally posted by Krusty
I've had sorties where I was in a spit14, lost an elevator, and STILL out turned 2 LA7s and a p51 that were gang banging me on the deck. I ended up with 4 kills after I lost an elevator, and still made it home safely to land. No other plane would have let me do that.
The only reason you were able to do that was 1) you had friends helping out or 2) you encountered below average players.
ack-ack
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I was alone. Friends were on the way, but still too far out, so I turned and fought. They weren't below average. They were average or above. The spit14 just let me roll onto them, jink back, pull a reversal or two, and in less than 2 minutes I'd shot down 3 late-war planes.
*I* thought I'd be dead instantly. Apparently so did they. I honestly don't think any other plane would have got me out of that mess.
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I admit it's anecdotal evidence. I admit that it might have been a fluke. It still remains that it was an astounding thing to do for me, and the spit14 let me do it. I know I'm not going to convince anybody with this story, but it was a good example to use.
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Without WEP the La5 is marginally faster than the XIV, with WEP it's reversed.
Turn radius - All the Spits handily outurn the XIV -
XIV - with flaps 509 without 629
Rest are below these (VIII/XVI) - with flaps 450 without 568
So the reason it's perked is its zoom climb?
How many others fall into the good zoom climb category?
Looking at the K-4 in particular -
Pretty well matched climb wise.
K4 faster
XIV better turner
Acceleration pretty even low alt up to 300mph
K4 better acceleration low alt over 300mph
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Originally posted by Krusty
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I admit it's anecdotal evidence. I admit that it might have been a fluke. It still remains that it was an astounding thing to do for me, and the spit14 let me do it. I know I'm not going to convince anybody with this story, but it was a good example to use.
Not that I'm trying to belittle what you did, it's a testiment to your abilities that you were able to win under such circumstance. However, the engagement you described was indicative of the skill of the pilot and not the plane superiority.
For example, the other night I was bounced by four F4Us and despite losing my right aileron, right flap and elevator I was able to still down all four Corsairs. Does this mean the P-38J is uber? No, it just goes to show the old adege, it's 90% pilot ability and 10% plane.
ack-ack
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But, the P38 IS uber!!! :lol :rofl :aok (couldn't resist)
How about I phrase it this way:
The only drawback of any spit above the SpitV is the short legs, and the .303 guns. The 8 has greater range (it helps, it really does) but the 4x .303s in the outer wings. The 14 gives up a little turn performance, gets 50cals outboard, and has the increased range of the 8. It also cruised like a flying carpet once level.
Since the spitfires have turn capability in spades, they can afford to lose some of that and still out perform a lot of their main competition. Especially if the loss in turn is made up for in top speed, climb rate, firepower, longer range, and zoom capabilities. It's still a major threat to anybody around it. I would say [opinion alert] more so than the spit16.
I think unperking it would be akin to unperking the Tempest. You could argue "Sure it's fast, but it can't turn for crap, it's got a bullet magnet in both the radiator and the pilot, and the guns are good but have short firing time, and it's got really short range" -- but in the end even with all those flaws it's still a tempest. Could you imagine an arena with unperked tempests?? It would be awful! Same with spit14s, IMO.
EDIT: I am thankful that the perk price is very low. I used to fly the spit14 as my only perk plane for entire tours.
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Originally posted by Krusty
The thing about the 152 is that it sucks. Anywhere. All the time. Even free, few people fly it.
The thing about the Spit14 is that it's the FASTEST spit in the arena, faster than 90% of the other planes in the arena, as well, it climbs better than a 109K-4, almost, and it has easy-mode Hispanos and 50cals. It turns almost as tight as all the other spits.
Put that together, and if it were unperked it would be the most widely flown spit EVER in AH history.
See, the 152 was unperked because it blows. It's by no means uber. The spit14 is perked BECAUSE it is uber. I've had sorties where I was in a spit14, lost an elevator, and STILL out turned 2 LA7s and a p51 that were gang banging me on the deck. I ended up with 4 kills after I lost an elevator, and still made it home safely to land. No other plane would have let me do that.
Yeah and thats why it was remodeled from AH1, When it turned like a zeke and ran like a 163, oh my glory days. My sweet darling is gone :P
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Originally posted by Krusty
But, the P38 IS uber!!! :lol :rofl :aok (couldn't resist)
How about I phrase it this way:
The only drawback of any spit above the SpitV is the short legs, and the .303 guns. The 8 has greater range (it helps, it really does) but the 4x .303s in the outer wings. The 14 gives up a little turn performance, gets 50cals outboard, and has the increased range of the 8. It also cruised like a flying carpet once level.
Since the spitfires have turn capability in spades, they can afford to lose some of that and still out perform a lot of their main competition. Especially if the loss in turn is made up for in top speed, climb rate, firepower, longer range, and zoom capabilities. It's still a major threat to anybody around it. I would say [opinion alert] more so than the spit16.
I think unperking it would be akin to unperking the Tempest. You could argue "Sure it's fast, but it can't turn for crap, it's got a bullet magnet in both the radiator and the pilot, and the guns are good but have short firing time, and it's got really short range" -- but in the end even with all those flaws it's still a tempest. Could you imagine an arena with unperked tempests?? It would be awful! Same with spit14s, IMO.
EDIT: I am thankful that the perk price is very low. I used to fly the spit14 as my only perk plane for entire tours.
XIV gives up a lot of turning ability (see previous post) even against the VIII and XVI, and of course nothing rolls like a XVI (almost).
As for the .50's, in all honesty it's the Hispanos that get you the kills, so basically it's a faster Mk VIII.
Comparing it to unperking the Tempest is silly, that thing is a monster. Fastest prop in the game and 4 x Hispano V's (more ammo and a faster rate of fire than all the other planes with Hispanos).
Look at my comparison with the K4 (technically it's German counterpart), K4 has the edge on speed, XIV in turn, in all other aspects they are almost identical performance wise.
Way back when it was first introduced it made sense to perk the XIV, with the increased late war planeset there is no reason anymore for it to retain its perk status.
If it was such the threat you contend it is it would have a K/D ratio closer to the other perked aircraft which are all over 2.2+, instead of the 1.2 it usually gets.
Leaving it perked would be akin to having a hard deck of 25k in the arenas then perking the La7 for its low alt speed.
Put it this way - There is nothing to lose, everything to gain, by at least trialling it free for a tour or two.
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I'll leave it at "I disagree" then :aok
P.S. Krypto I didn't fly spits back then. I struggled with 109s/51s but mostly loved bombing (HQ runs, too).
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am i the only one that thinks all "top" planes should be perked?
you know. La7, P51, Niki 109k, 190d all perkd.....
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Originally posted by Overlag
am i the only one that thinks all "top" planes should be perked?
you know. La7, P51, Niki 109k, 190d all perkd.....
There's always going to be a top dog, I suspect.
Go ahead and un-perk the Spit14. It's a fine plane, but the 109K and the Ki-84 can handle it without much difficulty. It flies in the late war arenas, which appear to be heavily weighted to Spits already, so who cares?
- oldman
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All you guys that keep going back and forth on performance versus the other spits, get a source already! :D (http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=spit9&p2=spit14&p3=spit8&p4=spit16)
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Totally agree Kev un-perk the spit 14 (not that perks matter im sure most in this thread could fly tempests all year and still not run out of them)
I think that maybe it is unfair on newer players not to be able to appreciate the beauty that is a powerful spitfire and turning them into skilless LA7 pilots.
Add the Spit 21 and perk that. Hopefully it will be able to climb and outrun both 109K's AND LA7'S.
But as AKAK rightly said 90% pilot.
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Originally posted by Overlag
am i the only one that thinks all "top" planes should be perked?
you know. La7, P51, Niki 109k, 190d all perkd.....
I'm with Kweassa, I think all the top planes should be unperked. The La-7 is just as good as a Spit 14, actually better, because it can run away from pretty much any plane at will.
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Originally posted by Krusty
The thing about the 152 is that it sucks. Anywhere. All the time.
:lol :lol
nicely put
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Originally posted by Overlag
am i the only one that thinks all "top" planes should be perked?
you know. La7, P51, Niki 109k, 190d all perkd.....
no, I'm sure there are a few dweebs out there that think the same.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
no, I'm sure there are a few dweebs out there that think the same.
ack-ack
Dweeb here, I would like more of a perk ladder so there would be something I would pay perks for. :) As it is the only perk fighter I like well enough to pay for is the F4U-4. Jets suck :p The 14 is fine up high but when ever I get down into the fight it just feels average.
As it is I always have around 4500 fighter perks although I lost a couple hundred the other night when I was drinking and just HAD to up a few F4U-4's and a Spit-14 or two lol.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
The 14 is fine up high but when ever I get down into the fight it just feels average.
Exactly, and where do the overwhelming majority of fights happen?
Ohh, low down.
Few nights ago I took a 14 up, ran into some 25k Ponies, yup down to the deck they went.
Ran into a K4 at 20k, yup ran to the deck also.
Got 3 choices -
a) Stay high wait for something else to come along (maybe he'll stay high
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b) Chase them down to the deck into the low alt mess and probably get picked off.
c) Take it home and land it, it's a pointless plane perked.
Option (c).
XIV will remain the perk plane hanger queen.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Dweeb here, I would like more of a perk ladder so there would be something I would pay perks for. :) As it is the only perk fighter I like well enough to pay for is the F4U-4. Jets suck :p The 14 is fine up high but when ever I get down into the fight it just feels average.
As it is I always have around 4500 fighter perks although I lost a couple hundred the other night when I was drinking and just HAD to up a few F4U-4's and a Spit-14 or two lol.
thats exact reason i think they should be perked... you earn perks, to be able to fly in the uber planes. This way newbies "learn" in older planes instead of taking easy mode HO monsters.
im not talking massive amount of perks but maybe 5-10 for 12-5eny planes etc... that's not substantial.
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Perks are based on whether or not they change the game balance is they were unperked. Since none of those planes unfairly change the game balance there is no need for them to be perked. Quite simple really, just amazed quite a few just can't seem to grasp the concept.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Perks are based on whether or not they change the game balance is they were unperked. Since none of those planes unfairly change the game balance there is no need for them to be perked. Quite simple really, just amazed quite a few just can't seem to grasp the concept.
ack-ack
Yup, would understand it if the XIV was a 400mph+ (in typical MA low alt fight), quad Hispano Spit (oops thats the F.21 :) ), but it isn't.
I'd also expect quite rightly an F.21 if ever introduced to be perked.
Would it change a lot unperked?
La7 drivers still drive their La7s
K4, Pony, P38 drivers ditto.
What it would do is probably split the XVI drivers.
Taking this a stage further -
As the VIII and XVI are so similar performance wise -
How about -
Make the VIII an HF VIII with Merlin 70 and extended tips.
Definately be different.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
How about -
Make the VIII an HF VIII with Merlin 70 and extended tips.
Definately be different.
Hell no!
Don't dare touch the Mk VIII.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Perks are based on whether or not they change the game balance is they were unperked. Since none of those planes unfairly change the game balance there is no need for them to be perked. Quite simple really, just amazed quite a few just can't seem to grasp the concept.
ack-ack
erm ok.....to anyone flying anything other than the top 5 planes its unfair......
currently we earn 1000s of perks a month, yet have nothing but a 262 to waste them on.
if all planes past a point had 2-5 perks on them maybe then we'd have a slightly more balanced arena
and we cant grasp your concept? wow im sorry.
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Originally posted by Krusty
The thing about the 152 is that it sucks. Anywhere. All the time. Even free, few people fly it.
See, the 152 was unperked because it blows. It's by no means uber. The spit14 is perked BECAUSE it is uber. I've had sorties where I was in a spit14, lost an elevator, and STILL out turned 2 LA7s and a p51 that were gang banging me on the deck. I ended up with 4 kills after I lost an elevator, and still made it home safely to land. No other plane would have let me do that.
zOMFG!!!!!! IF you say so! Not our fault you rip wingtips off of the 152.
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Originally posted by Overlag
erm ok.....to anyone flying anything other than the top 5 planes its unfair......
How is it unfair? Are you prevented from flying these planes yourself? In no way does the popularity of a plane equate to an unbalance in the game play or unfairness.
ack-ack
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Still want my Mk. XII :furious :furious .
(http://www.spitfireperformance.com/41sqdn-spit12.jpg)
purrdy aint it.
:D
Bronk
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Perks are based on whether or not they change the game balance is they were unperked. Since none of those planes unfairly change the game balance there is no need for them to be perked. Quite simple really, just amazed quite a few just can't seem to grasp the concept.
On the contrary, it is quite amazing to see how much some people are so much brainwashed as to not recognize problems within the status quo.
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OK here is an idea if ya don't want to see all the uber late war rides.
Go to MW or EW arenas you won't see any .
But thats not you real complaint. You all who want to see x plane perked is to be able to tool around in your plane af choise and be unmolested by faster aircraft.
To bad, it's the late war arena and you're going to see the late war monsters . So you all should just get over it.
Bronk
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But thats not you real complaint. You all who want to see x plane perked is to be able to tool around in your plane af choise and be unmolested by faster aircraft.
I've already implied about a zillion times that it should be either, all the late war planes of comparable performance being perked, or none at all. My interest lies in balance, not personal favorites.
However, if you must go down the path of mud-slinging I'm not exactly the one to turn down a fight. I can as easily reverse your claims that all you want on the other hand, is nothing but stick to your favorite super-plane which clearly announces your identity as a typical "munchkin".
So don't go there.
To bad, it's the late war arena and you're going to see the late war monsters . So you all should just get over it.
... and the late war arena has a certain late war plane perked, while other contemporary late war plane are not.
Hello? Anyone seen brains around here?
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I've already implied about a zillion times that it should be either, all the late war planes of comparable performance being perked, or none at all. My interest lies in balance, not personal favorites.
However, if you must go down the path of mud-slinging I'm not exactly the one to turn down a fight. I can as easily reverse your claims that all you want on the other hand, is nothing but stick to your favorite super-plane which clearly announces your identity as a typical "munchkin".
So don't go there.
... and the late war arena has a certain late war plane perked, while other contemporary late war plane are not.
Hello? Anyone seen brains around here?
Just a little fact for ya Mr Knowitall , most kills this tour in Mk IX spit.
And before i took my break from AH . I was getting good in the FM-2, hardly the super plane you claim I should stick to.
So what now , whats my excuse for not wanting them perked .
Also If you don't know why the Chog, temp, 4hog, 163, and the 262 (Yes i left out the Mk. XIV because its not uber down low) are perked ... You just might be the "munchkin".
Have a nice day Mr. Knowitall
Bronk
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I'm glad to see the spit XIV unperking project shared by some people, I've been asking for that since years.
Now look from my point of view, why the spitXIV should be perked when you compare it to a P51D ? perk the pony "no you can't have a pony" niark niark niark
I've been reading on the RAF museum website that the spit IV was widely used and had a griphon engine, anyone got info on that ?
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Spit 14 is mediocre, I think the 16 is far more dangerous over all.
shamus
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Originally posted by Noir
I'm glad to see the spit XIV unperking project shared by some people, I've been asking for that since years.
Now look from my point of view, why the spitXIV should be perked when you compare it to a P51D ? perk the pony "no you can't have a pony" niark niark niark
I've been reading on the RAF museum website that the spit IV was widely used and had a griphon engine, anyone got info on that ?
Spit IV was the first Griffon engined Spit, but was only ever a single prototype.
If it had gone into production it would have had 6x20mm cannons and a top speed well in excess of 400mph.
Fitted with a Griffon RG 2SM it first flew Nov 1941.
What may be causing the confusion is that there was also a PR IV but this was only powered by a Merlin 45 (229 built)
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Just a little fact for ya Mr Knowitall , most kills this tour in Mk IX spit.
And before i took my break from AH . I was getting good in the FM-2, hardly the super plane you claim I should stick to.
So what now , whats my excuse for not wanting them perked .
As if I care.
When'd this discussion turn into something about you?
Oh I remember, when you started a line with "you only want.. blahblah" personal attacks, which I dutifully warned that I would retaliate towards with the same modus operandi.
Also If you don't know why the Chog, temp, 4hog, 163, and the 262 (Yes i left out the Mk. XIV because its not uber down low) are perked ... You just might be the "munchkin".
A smarter person might have realized from the context of things that everybody partaking in this discussion already shares a certain view on certain things - ie. excluding the rockets and jets.
Since you obviously don't seem to be that kind of a person, I will kindly explain to you that we are not talking about jets and rockets. Besides, because of the recent arena splitting by era, the reasons behind perking temps and chogs, 4hogs are now also under serious question.
Comprende?
Have a nice day Mr. Knowitall
You too, Mr. Butt-for-brains.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
As if I care.
When'd this discussion turn into something about you?
Might have been when you pointed it directly at me Mr Knowitall , "all you want on the other hand, is nothing but stick to your favorite super-plane which clearly announces your identity as a typical "munchkin" .
Oh I remember, when you started a line with "you only want.. blahblah" personal attacks, which I dutifully warned that I would retaliate towards with the same modus operandi.
Wrong again smart guy. "You all who want to see x plane perked is to be able to tool around in your plane of choice and be unmolested by faster aircraft." This was a generalization of "perk x late war rides" whiners. Never said you only get it right .
A smarter person might have realized from the context of things that everybody partaking in this discussion already shares a certain view on certain things - ie. excluding the rockets and jets.
Since you obviously don't seem to be that kind of a person, I will kindly explain to you that we are not talking about jets and rockets.
Well i see a valid reason for perking 4hogs , Chogs , and temps. If i am doing a jabo run off a Cv why would i use anything other than a Chog. Or if doing fighter sweep 4hog. Sure let the other models become hanger queens. Same with temp as a ground based AC . You can't really be this slow can you?
Besides, because of the recent arena splitting by era, the reasons behind perking temps and chogs, 4hogs are now also under serious question.
Really,, please ohh knower off all thing please direct me to where HT is doing this. What he is doing is setting up new perk system based on ords layout . The only thing in question is how much you really know.
Comprende?
Think I understand why AC is perked better than you . But I don't have the superior attitude.
You too, Mr. Butt-for-brains.
Have a nice day Mr Doesn'tknowasmuchashethinks.
Bronk
Edit:This should have been better worded but I think faster than I can type.
You all who want to see x plane perked is to be able to tool around in your plane of choice and be unmolested by faster aircraft.
Would have been better if..
You all who want to see x plane perked, just want the ability tool around in your plane of choice and be unmolested by faster aircraft
Edit 2: If Kweassa would have his PMs turned on I'd have PMed him to clear up this. It wasn't my intention to have my post appear pointed directly at him. And just for the record I didnt start the name calling. Kweassa started with the "munchkin" crap.
I apologize for subjecting the rest of you to this.
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Bah, you bore me.
You're ignored for the duration of this discussion.
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Thats right take your ball and go home.
Bronk
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Was hoping this wouldn't degenerate the way it has, oh well.
Reasons to unperk -
Low alt performance - nothing special (331 NW, 360 with WEP), and this is where the fights take place at 90%+ of the time.
Made sense when first introduced, but planeset has substantially grown since then.
XVI/VIII are still a lot more suited to the low alt arena fights.
Yup it has a good zoom climb, so do quite a few other unperked planes.
Can only hope.