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Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?
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Originally posted by Traveler
Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?
discoes count as deaths, and do affect your kill death ratio. why someone would intentionally disco to avoid being killed is just stupid.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
discoes count as deaths, and do affect your kill death ratio. why someone would intentionally disco to avoid being killed is just stupid.
It may count as a death to the person that disconnects but the guy that would have gotten credit for the kill, gets nothing. I have it on film. Same guy does it a lot. My question to you is; is it cheating?
See rule #8.
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you still get credit for a kill if you are the closest guy to the bailer, and if he hasnt taken damage from anyone else. The only thing you dont get is perks. Not that big of a deal IMO. I Rarely see it happen in practice. Maybe 2 times total this month.
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Originally posted by BigR
you still get credit for a kill if you are the closest guy to the bailer, and if he hasnt taken damage from anyone else. The only thing you dont get is perks. Not that big of a deal IMO. I Rarely see it happen in practice. Maybe 2 times total this month.
You are not correct about being the closest guy to the bailer? I have it on film and no one got credit for the kill. I unerstand, if you are the shooter you are cheated out of the kill, it affects your score, you lose the perks. But that was not the information I was seeking. My question still remains , is it cheating? Is it cheating if you enter into a dog fight and when it appears that you are going to lose, you intentionally disconnect, so that the other pilot in the dog fight gets no credit for the kill.
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I don't think quitting the game would be considered cheating. It may be amoral and a childish way out of the fight but doubtful it is looked upon as cheating.
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IIRC, if you damage someone who then discos w/o damage from anybody else you will get credit and perks for that kill as if he just augered. There will be a delay that can last a few minutes but credit will be given when the host has finaly updated his position as discoed.
The trick is to keep alive until this happens.
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Originally posted by Traveler
Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?
It would be if it did not record the death. It does. Not sure what the time is but if you wait and you had rounds in him, you will get the kill message. If not, it counts as a death for him
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Originally posted by Flatbar
IIRC, if you damage someone who then discos w/o damage from anybody else you will get credit and perks for that kill as if he just augered. There will be a delay that can last a few minutes but credit will be given when the host has finaly updated his position as discoed.
The trick is to keep alive until this happens.
I have the film that shows that no one got credit for the kill after he disconnected. We flew for about 10 minutes after the fight to RTB. Neither myself or my wingman got credit.
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Traveller, it can take up to several minutes for the credit to arrive.
And it does arrive, provided you are EITHER in proxy range at his disco OR you have landed the most damage prior to disco.
But lets ask the bigger question.....why do you care? Who cares about kill credit, or points, enough to stay worked up about it? Yeah, its annoying as heck (My pet peeve has always been the buffers who let you take the time to climb up, then dive to till range over 3K and disco/bail). But its not worth wasting more than a few seconds of grunting. You cant change losers, and if they want to play that way getting mad about it only increases their griefer's enjoyment !
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Originally posted by Simaril
Traveller, it can take up to several minutes for the credit to arrive.
And it does arrive, provided you are EITHER in proxy range at his disco OR you have landed the most damage prior to disco.
But lets ask the bigger question.....why do you care? Who cares about kill credit, or points, enough to stay worked up about it? Yeah, its annoying as heck (My pet peeve has always been the buffers who let you take the time to climb up, then dive to till range over 3K and disco/bail). But its not worth wasting more than a few seconds of grunting. You cant change losers, and if they want to play that way getting mad about it only increases their griefer's enjoyment !
My question from the start has been, do you consider it cheating? and even though this person disconnected. I damaged his P51B by taking off part of his right wing. I have no damage, I fly for another 10 minutes to RTB and neither myself or my wingman receive a kill credit for the P51B. I have it on AH film. I just wondered if it was cheating? in the film you can see exactly when he disconnects. It was a 2 on 2 fight. I also killed his wingman (109) and got that kill credit after blowing off the outer portion of the P51's wing.
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Forst about the kill credit...I have had occasions where I dont get the message, but I notice that it showed up on stats pages. (IE, the guy in the Ki61 did it, and I know for certain that my Ki61 kill total went up even though I never got the message). Maybe thats what happened to you?
Second....well, technically its not cheating, because the game rules allow it to happen. True cheating requires breaking rules, like hacking into the flight code. (Bad idea to try, BTW)
It isgaming the system" in an unfair way, like killing a squaddy when youre chasing rank. You cant do anything about it except get mad, so for me I've decided to just let it go. They're the ones missing out on improving, after all. And sometimes when I've thought it was "death avoidance" I've later realised that they didnt even know I was there, and they were dtching to get a goon or something.
If done deliberately, it is definitely unfair and wothy of 10 minutes scorn.
BTW, I consider some "gaming" to be legitimate...almost like a clever exploit of a game feature. For example, having a parachuted pilot hide in the maproom, or having him camp on the aircraft spawn point to get collision kills (HT closed that loophole, btw), or using the shore battery to hit GVs on the beach below.
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Originally posted by Traveler
Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?
No ... because you could never really prove that someone did pull their cord or their ISP burped.
It's not right ... just like bailing out when you know your gonna die so as to not give the other guy the satisfaction of killing you ... but I wouldn't consider it cheating.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Forst about the kill credit...I have had occasions where I dont get the message, but I notice that it showed up on stats pages. (IE, the guy in the Ki61 did it, and I know for certain that my Ki61 kill total went up even though I never got the message). Maybe thats what happened to you?
Second....well, technically its not cheating, because the game rules allow it to happen. True cheating requires breaking rules, like hacking into the flight code. (Bad idea to try, BTW)
I know that I didn't get the message, but I have no way to know if I actually did or did not get credit because I never look at the score or stats, I don't really care.
But I didn't get a message and when reviewing the film, you can see that he flys almost all the way back to his base, but disconnect rather then atttempts to land .
As for the "technically it's not cheating, because the game rules allow it" would you show me where in the rules it says that it's permitted to disconnect from the game to prevent a kill credit from being issues against you?
My question still stands to you, do you think it is cheating? it's a yes or no answer.
Also, it's not the first time this guy has disconnected after being put in a losing position in a dog-fight. I have additional film of him.
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Look traveller, if you think its cheating -- fine, dont do it.
I don't think its cheating, and apparently neither does HT. (He bans people for cheating; he doesnt ban people for disconnecting.)
It is, however, clearly lame.
However....in your situation, I have to wonder if the guy did it deliberately. Why wait till you're almost home? If you're going to do it, just do it! I cant think of a reason to do it in that circimstance, but a true accidental connection disco could happen anytime.
and BTW
If you dont care about scores and kills, well, I guess i simply dont understand why you'd care enough to start the thread... or care enough to keep posting and pushing the issue.
Just sayin
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Originally posted by SlapShot
No ... because you could never really prove that someone did pull their cord or their ISP burped.
It's not right ... just like bailing out when you know your gonna die so as to not give the other guy the satisfaction of killing you ... but I wouldn't consider it cheating.
what if I have multiple films of this guy doing the same thing , his ISP services only burped when ever he is on the losing side of a dog fight. Is it cheating. I can understand the guy that bails to preserv his life, but the disco is a very different thing. When the guy bails , you get credit for the kill, because you killed the plane, But the way this guy discos it does not appear that you get credit for shooting down his aircraft. That would appear to cheat you our of a kill and any point or stats or perks that go with it. Is that cheating if what you do unfairly, affects another player.
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Originally posted by Traveler
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That would appear to cheat you our of a kill and any point or stats or perks that go with it. Is that cheating if what you do unfairly, affects another player.
Traveller, you're hammering this thread...and your only argument is that it "unfairly deprives a player of points or stats."
Yet you claim you dont care about points or stats.
Originally posted by Traveler
...snip...I never look at the score or stats, I don't really care.
Therefore, if someone deprives you of points or stats, he has taken away something you dont care about at all....as if he took your gum wrapper off the sidewalk, right?
So logically, we can demonstrate that this guy has not cheated you out of anything, he has cost you nothing.
Can we drop it now?
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He is not gonna stop until someone says it's cheating.
shamus
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"what if I have multiple films of this guy doing the same thing , his ISP services only burped when ever he is on the losing side of a dog fight. Is it cheating."
So I guess you answered your own question ... no need to discuss further.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Look traveller, if you think its cheating -- fine, dont do it.
I don't think its cheating, and apparently neither does HT. (He bans people for cheating; he doesnt ban people for disconnecting.)
It is, however, clearly lame.
However....in your situation, I have to wonder if the guy did it deliberately. Why wait till you're almost home? If you're going to do it, just do it! I cant think of a reason to do it in that circimstance, but a true accidental connection disco could happen anytime.
and BTW
If you dont care about scores and kills, well, I guess i simply dont understand why you'd care enough to start the thread... or care enough to keep posting and pushing the issue.
Just sayin
bacause I don't care about stats or scores , but I hate cheaters...... As for why he flew back to his base before he discoed, he had control of the aircraft as along as he flew fast, but when he started to slow down he lost control , he knew that he would crash and the kill would be recorded. The method he uses to disco would seem to deni the victor the kill. that to me is cheating, add to that the fact that he appears to disco routinly when losing a dog fight, makes me feel that this guy is a cheater.
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Originally posted by Traveler
My question still stands to you, do you think it is cheating? it's a yes or no answer.
Also, it's not the first time this guy has disconnected after being put in a losing position in a dog-fight. I have additional film of him.
Can you prove he pulled the plug? I've had my connection act up on occasion and get disconnected. Sometimes several times on several days. It's been good lately though.
And it always seemed to be when I was in the saddle. At least those are the ones I remember the most. :D
When the guy behind me disappears, I don't remember those. I just shrug and assume he got discoed.
If he is doing it on purpose, he knows, and you know, that you beat him and he was just being a lame snot nosed kid.
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Originally posted by Traveler
bacause I don't care about stats or scores , but I hate cheaters...... As for why he flew back to his base before he discoed, he had control of the aircraft as along as he flew fast, but when he started to slow down he lost control , he knew that he would crash and the kill would be recorded. The method he uses to disco would seem to deni the victor the kill. that to me is cheating, add to that the fact that he appears to disco routinly when losing a dog fight, makes me feel that this guy is a cheater.
If you feel that strongly about it then use this support@hitechcreations.com and let the horse die for gods sake. It's gamey, you've been told that..it's lame and you've been told that too, so use the link and send the film and let HTC determine what is and isn't cheating.
just my $.02
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Originally posted by Shamus
He is not gonna stop until someone says it's cheating.
shamus
OK, I'll step up.
Yes, Traveler, its cheating.
Now STFU.
culero
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Ok, he cheated, lets move on.:p
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Originally posted by Traveler
Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?
why is the AH community so obsessed over such silliness? Look, some people have bad connections. Some people cant get cable or dsl. Some can only get cable or dsl from companies that are not as good as others. Why does every warp lead to a barrage of accusations? Chill out people.
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People have been doing it since AW. Probably always will. Tards.
It's not cheating (thread can continue now)
Be quiet Culero, his ranting is teh funnay.
:lol
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Originally posted by culero
OK, I'll step up.
Yes, Traveler, its cheating.
Now STFU.
culero
:rofl
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Originally posted by Traveler
Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?
That isn't cheating. What FireHwk did, was cheating. Two seperate issues all together.
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
why is the AH community so obsessed over such silliness? Look, some people have bad connections. Some people cant get cable or dsl. Some can only get cable or dsl from companies that are not as good as others. Why does every warp lead to a barrage of accusations? Chill out people.
The subject was "discos" , not "warping" and whether you think it is cheating?
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No it isnt cheating
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If someone disconnects, regardless of reason, they should appear to simply fly on the same course until data updates make him finally disappear. People get disconnected all the time for a variety of reasons. Sometimes the game may lock up from textures being too large for their hardware to handle. Eventually, they'll CTD or lose host connection, but they may appear to still be flying on the FE of others for a while.
This topic, and the emotionally-charged way it has been presented, serves no purpose other than to spead misinformation and unhealthy rumors.
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*IN*
Send your film in to HTC, ask THEM if it's cheating, afterall- THEY are the ONLY ones who can do ANYTHING about it if it is IN fact cheating.:D
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Originally posted by Traveler
My question from the start has been, do you consider it cheating? and even though this person disconnected. I damaged his P51B by taking off part of his right wing. I have no damage, I fly for another 10 minutes to RTB and neither myself or my wingman receive a kill credit for the P51B. I have it on AH film. I just wondered if it was cheating? in the film you can see exactly when he disconnects. It was a 2 on 2 fight. I also killed his wingman (109) and got that kill credit after blowing off the outer portion of the P51's wing.
Leaving the fact that the whole thread is ludicrous out of it....what exactly do you have on film? If you flew for 10 minutes you'd catch the guy. The control inputs add to much drag. Further I can not only land a clipped pony, I can even dog fight it a little bit (if I have flaps)......
So unless you actually are in pursuit on his close 6 how do you know he didnt ditch??? or even land....
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Originally posted by Traveler
The subject was "discos" , not "warping" and whether you think it is cheating?
IMO warps lead to discoes. In the end its a connection issue, either way, so why should one be excluded?
"Your Honor, the defense would like to enter "warps" into evidence.":)
Its cheating? Its not......it doesn't exist
I discoed just as I was approaching a fight just last week. Sucked for me, caused no else any harm.
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I checked with the men of the square table and, while it is not cheating, it is a man-law that you don't do it. Hope this helps.
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I believe this thread should be renamed "Using the Disconnect to deny the kill", since that is what the other player is doing.
1. Can you prevent this? No.
2. Is it annoying? Yes.
3. Should you spend any more time on something you can never fix? No.
The same thing can be said for someone who bails or crashes outside of the proxy kill zone. It's gamey, but afterall....
Regards,
Malta
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Never happend to me!
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Ok this one is done.
Traveler I strongly suggest you read our bbs rules concerning cheating discussions.