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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Nomak on November 14, 2006, 03:55:29 PM
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Some weeks ago I switched to a full CH set up. Now that I have had some time to adjust to it I thought I would convey my feelings on the set up and my feelings on all my previous sticks to anyone who is interested.
Although I by no means claim to be a Joystick guru, I have been through quite a few over the years.....
Microsoft Sidewinder2 (2 of these)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/aa255/P1020083.jpg)
Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback2 (at least 6 of these, I have 3 together, working ones right now)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/aa255/P1020084.jpg)
Saitek Cyborg EVO Force
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/aa255/cyborg_evo_force.jpg)
Saitek Cyborg EVO
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/aa255/cyborg_evo2.jpg)
Sorry no real pics of the cyborgs, they are long gone.
Saitek X45 (Only for a few days, I hated the rudder rocker switch and returned it)
Saitek X52
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/aa255/P1020085.jpg)
Of all these sticks I feel strongly that the microsoft force feedback2 is the best. The precision and accuracy it offers is superb. The "Force's" it offers were far better than other FFB sticks I had used/tried. It's durability was good although not excellent.
A quick thought on FFB..... Having gone through getting accustomed to FFB and then having to learn to fly without it..... I don't recommend it. For example when MS stopped making sticks I thought I would just go to the Cyborg EVO Force and it would be the same. Its not. In my experence each manufactures FFB is very different. So why take the chance? Just learn on and get accustomed to non FFB sticks and you won't limit your choices down the road. The next thing you know you will be like me and have a six pack of ebay joysticks around that dont really work.......
As stated previously both of the MS sticks are top notch in my opinion and I would still be using them if they were still on the store shelf's.
I really liked my Cyborg EVO and EVO Force. They both looked great (Espically at night time, they both kinda glowed with red and blue lights respectivly). They both were adjustable for hand size as well as left and right handed players. I didn't like the twisty rudder action on either of them. Comming from the MS sticks I felt the Saitek twist was just way to stiff. I could have adjusted to the twist over time, however the cyborg series had 1 issue that made me decide to move on to another stick. The hat switch. I couldnt get used to the feel of it. It was sticky and would almost "Bind" on me..... and I had to warrenty 3 sticks in around 4 months due to hat switch failures.
The X45 was the worst of all my sticks. I absoultly could not stand the rudder "Rocker" switch. I only had it for a day or 2 before I returned it. I dont mean to totally slam the x45 here. It just wasnt for me.
I really thought the X52 was going to be the answer for me. It was cheap (for hotas standards anyway). It was very good looking and it was a twisty stick. I used this stick in Falcon4 Allied Force for quite a few months. I had no problems with it for Falcon. I was'nt flying AH at the time. I really thought I had the stick that I would stay with.
I get back into AH.......
OMG was the X52 bad in AH in my opinion. It was choppy..... it was notchy..... the rudder twist was to stiff (Again) I was literally flying at 50% of my ability with this stick. The throttle sweep is WAY to long to be quick enough in AH for a good rolling scissor. Yeah....... Nonsense.........
Enter the CH FighterStick.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/aa255/P1020086.jpg)
What an amazing stick. I cannot express to any of you how much better of a stick this is than any of the Saitek stuff (That I have tried anyway). The feel is even better than the Microsoft stuff. I was able to adjust to the Fighterstick in about a week. I don't think I could have ever gotten used to the x52 to be totally honest. The entire set up (Throttle and stick) are loaded with levers/buttons. So many that it can get confusing actually. I use manual trim and always have. The throttle has 3..... yes 3, four way hat switches I could use to set up for trim...... Actually, to take it a step further..... The throttle has so many buttons and levers that If I put my mind to it I could probably map all the functions I need for AH on the throttle alone.
Some people complain of a "Notchy" feeling in the stick when going from elevator to aleron. In my opinion it is a non issue. This unit is as smooth as butter.
The throttle has a straight foreward and back motion. Unlike the Saitek HOTAS that has a "Sweeping" motion. In theroy the sweeping motion of the saitek is cool....... IRL it just takes to long IMO to go from WOT to closed throttle to WOT again. The CH no nonsense throttle action is fun, fast and practical. I could'nt ask for better.
I only have a couple of things that I see as issues with the Stick/ Throttle set up. Although they are not really issues for me at this time.
If you have small hands this stick may very well be a problem for you. The hat switch is in the upper right hand side of the stick and it is a bit of a reach for me. I have fairly large hands and can palm "most" basketballs. (I say this only to offer some perspective) At first I thought the reach was to far...... I am used to it now and its not a problem for me.
The stick has alot of hat type switches and not enough buttons. Pretty self-explainatory really. I like a hat switch and then the rest to be buttons. The CH just isn't set up that way. Again, I am used to it now.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/aa255/P1020087.jpg)
The hardest part for me has been the change from twisty stick to rudder pedals. At first it seemed near impossible. A week or 2 later it was good as long as I was'nt in a rush and I had time to think "push on rt foot for rt rudder". Now (6 or 8 weeks in) It is actually starting to become instinct. Although I still have problems with gunnery and especially snapshots. I am hoping they will come with time. I would say today I an flying at 85-90% of my personal ability. I could'nt ask for better givin the time frame.
One thing of note that I have discoverd from going to pedals....... and maybe others can confirm this also..... I was using way to much rudder with a twisty stick. Also with the twisty stick I would use all of the rudder at once where as with the pedals at least half of the time I am using partial rudder instead of just "Snapping" it over. I think ultimately the change to pedals will improve my ability not hinder it.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/aa255/P1020082.jpg)
In summary......
The CH set up is worth all the hype. IMO it will be the last stick that you buy. I highly recommend it. It really is worth the money.
I know the pics are far from great but I thought they would help none the less. I am sorry for any/all bad spelling. I am aware that I can't spell.
I hope you enjoyed my write up.
Dave
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I intended to post this in help and training. I did post it there once I realized what I did. But it wont let me delete it here.
Skuzzy can you delete for me?
thx.... Dave
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Nomak: Fix for your short thumb. I use your exact setup.
Map the views to the lower left hat button. Is in a much better place to reach.
HiTech
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i just got a CH fighterstick last week to replace my X52. i fixed the short thumb thing with some strips of cardboard and some duct tape to raise my hand position about 3/4 of an inch. its much better now. ill put up some pics soon.
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Yep. I know. Bad pots and all, it's still the best available so far.
I had a spiking problem with my MSSWFF2 stick that went away when switching to the CH USB Fighterstick. I just use the CH stick and rudder pedal system. This setup is far superior to any I have used in the past.
Regards,
Malta
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Originally posted by Nomak
The hardest part for me has been the change from twisty stick to rudder pedals. At first it seemed near impossible. A week or 2 later it was good as long as I was'nt in a rush and I had time to think "push on rt foot for rt rudder". Now (6 or 8 weeks in) It is actually starting to become instinct. Although I still have problems with gunnery and especially snapshots. I am hoping they will come with time. I would say today I an flying at 85-90% of my personal ability. I could'nt ask for better givin the time frame.
One thing of note that I have discoverd from going to pedals....... and maybe others can confirm this also..... I was using way to much rudder with a twisty stick. Also with the twisty stick I would use all of the rudder at once where as with the pedals at least half of the time I am using partial rudder instead of just "Snapping" it over. I think ultimately the change to pedals will improve my ability not hinder it.
I am about 4 weeks into my CH pedals as well (i use a X45 stick/throttle to go with that).
I fully agree. On the rocker rudder of the X45, the very small range of motion made the effect you describe even worse. Despite my best attempts at "being light" and scaling, it seemed as if i only had three rudder positions: non, half and full.
Now, after i have relearned to take off again, i feel my rudder inputs already a lot smoother and finer in control. That doesnt exclude the now patented take-a-step-to the-left spin in a heated fight... but they are getting fewer and farther in between so im pretty confident ill get back to old ways and largely beyond in the not too far future.
Pedals are 150% worth getting if you plan on playing fligth sims in the long run.
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I got the Microsoft Sidewinder 2 and I have droped it 8 times and still works like it was new. Nice set ups by the way. :aok
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Good Write-up review :aok , Nomak
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Originally posted by hitech
Nomak: Fix for your short thumb. I use your exact setup.
Map the views to the lower left hat button. Is in a much better place to reach.
HiTech
Or better yet Get Track IR, and never thumb a hat switch again for a view.
Nomak.. your starting over anyhow... grab the TIR 4 with vector.
I use my hatswitches for auto level, zooming in and out, trim, engine start, gear up/down, flaps
everything BUT my views.
Highly recommend the combo of CH gear and TIR.
Balsy
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Excellent write-up and description of your trek Dave. I'm sure many people will benefit from your experience.
As for the FF issue. I was never interested in it at all. However, one of the guys, Sparx, at the CH-Hangar forum convinced me I should try the FrankenForce mod (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3390&highlight=franken+force) he had come up with. Basically, the FrankenForce is an old GamePort CH ForceFX (the first and only I think FF stick CH ever made) gutted of its electronics and replaced with a CH FighterStick USB together with a Logitech Wingman Force (to provide the force feedback circuitry). [Please, don't react on this word "Logitech." I had a very negative reaction too but trust me, it's the mechanics (pots) of those things that are crap. The circuit board is fine.] Let me tell you. It is fantastic! I have been using mine for about five months now and have not needed to calibrate it yet! It is rock solid and the force feedback is sweet in AH.
Since I am a lefty and build lefty handles for people who want them, I put a set of my handles on mine. Here is a photo:
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n199/snomhf/frontView.jpg)
The white cable you see connecting between my stick and throttle is to transfer the electronics from the Logitech board installed in my stick so I can have the two analog wheels (one at the pinky position, the other in the base) so I can use rotory analog trim on my throttle. I also implemented a dual stage trigger so I can fire my primary weapon with a slight pull on the trigger and both weapons if I pull all the way back on the trigger.
I definitely recommend this mod to anyone so inclined. I am thrilled with mine.
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I have used CH gear for about 10 years now. When I came back to AH it was the only setup I considered. But I agree with Nomak about the FighterStick's 8-way. That sucker is just too far up there to be useful in a heated fight. Fortunately, the 8-way on the ProThrottle works great for views. Right under my thumb with no reaching or stretching. The 8-way on the stick does odd tasks, like switching fuel tanks, dropping the tail hook, gear, and other things not often done in a fight.
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Just as Balsy says though....
If you get Track IR, POV hats are moot! Plus, your SA goes up considerably!
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ummm...what is trackIR? :huh
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Check this out: TIR Website (http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/)
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Originally posted by Auger
I have used CH gear for about 10 years now. When I came back to AH it was the only setup I considered. But I agree with Nomak about the FighterStick's 8-way. That sucker is just too far up there to be useful in a heated fight. Fortunately, the 8-way on the ProThrottle works great for views. Right under my thumb with no reaching or stretching. The 8-way on the stick does odd tasks, like switching fuel tanks, dropping the tail hook, gear, and other things not often done in a fight.
Auger, the 8-way view key on the throttle works great, but it sure seems stressful on my thumb. Has this happened to you, or anybody else???? It started off as a blister, then turned into a callus. This doesn't bother me, but it seems now that after only 4 or 5 months using it, the joint in my thumb is starting to become stressed. It's trying to grab the oblique views that is so hard to do without having to apply a lot of force. It is somewhat better now that the switch is broken in some, but it took using up the joint in my thumb to get it that way. :(
I have been wanting to ask you guys about this for a while now. I guess I am wondering if this is the typical case with the CH throttle, then what throttle would be more user friendly.TY Clutz.
Oh yes, great write up Nomak, for putting in the time and effort. :aok
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I cant fly with both hands up that high...not very ergonomic...
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/rig1.jpg)
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/rig2.jpg)
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thanx for the review....i am ordering a trakir in about 3 days as i feel views are a major prob for me....i am thinking of a yoke style flight stick anyone with experience or thoughts on these......the reason i am thinking of a yoke style stick is i am a heavy handed person and it transfers to my flying
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Where are your elbow rests at ???? Also how do you keep your pedals in one spot all the time ???? I think of shooting like you would do at a rife match in the prone postion , as locked down as you can get it .
Look close I have a hand rest on my combat stick to make it easier to reach the top 8 way .
Question : Does the fighter sticks have "two" 8 way hats ? I sure would like to use that bottom left one as that one is in a perfect spot , but on my stick it's only a 4 way :(
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1007_1163579384_mvc-011s.jpg)
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Originally posted by Clutz
Auger, the 8-way view key on the throttle works great, but it sure seems stressful on my thumb. Has this happened to you, or anybody else???? It started off as a blister, then turned into a callus. This doesn't bother me, but it seems now that after only 4 or 5 months using it, the joint in my thumb is starting to become stressed. It's trying to grab the oblique views that is so hard to do without having to apply a lot of force. It is somewhat better now that the switch is broken in some, but it took using up the joint in my thumb to get it that way. :(
I have been wanting to ask you guys about this for a while now. I guess I am wondering if this is the typical case with the CH throttle, then what throttle would be more user friendly.TY Clutz.
I haven't had any problems with my left thumb. It's been about 9 months now, and I fly for at least 2 hours a night on average. How firmly are you gripping the throttle? I usually just rest my hand on it so that my finger tips can reach the front buttons (which are mapped for vox and WEP). My thumb tends to rest on the mini-stick, or between there and the hat.
It sounds like you are using way too much pressure on the hat. Try using just enough pressure to hold the hat in position. Also, I tend to use the sides and tip of my thumb to push the hat from the side instead of pressing on it and dragging it.
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Nomak, just been using CH. Bought a yoke. It's cool and wonderful for buff runs. I love the CH Throttle and pedals too though I've not adjusted yet to rudder pedals fully.
Regards,
hap
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Originally posted by hitech
Nomak: Fix for your short thumb. I use your exact setup.
Map the views to the lower left hat button. Is in a much better place to reach.
HiTech
My issue there is that its a 4 way switch. I need 8 for how I use/set up views.
Dave
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Originally posted by Balsy
Or better yet Get Track IR, and never thumb a hat switch again for a view.
Nomak.. your starting over anyhow... grab the TIR 4 with vector.
I use my hatswitches for auto level, zooming in and out, trim, engine start, gear up/down, flaps
everything BUT my views.
Highly recommend the combo of CH gear and TIR.
Balsy
I have trackir3 pro with vector. I use it when I fly Falcon and Lock On. I did try it with AH and I just dont care for it. The AH view system is IMO so good that its just not necessairy.
Thx for the thought
Dave
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Originally posted by Murdr
I cant fly with both hands up that high...not very ergonomic...
The chair I use sits very high. You may notice that my pedals are "Shimmed" up by my Klipsch Sub. My elbows rest on the chairs arm rests. I have no probs with the position <---Shrug>.
Your set up on the other hand looks a bit "Custom" ;)
Dave
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Nomak,
Nice review! Grimm has a CH setup. He did an easy mod on the 4-ways to turn them into 8-ways. He used my dremel to take the corners off a plastic disk under the hat that allows restricts the movement of the hat.
I have a Cougar, and the handles are about the same size. I also use the lower hat for views.
Many things I buy, I will opt for the inexpensive products, and just replace them when they get old. Like I buy $20 keyboards, then replace them when they get dirty :) But in joysticks, I think the higher quality sicks like the CH are well worth it, and adds to the flight sim experiance.
Gunner
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Originally posted by Nomak
I have trackir3 pro with vector. I use it when I fly Falcon and Lock On. I did try it with AH and I just dont care for it. The AH view system is IMO so good that its just not necessairy.
Thx for the thought
Dave
Nomak,
Im interested to hear what it is in AH you find that is lacking with TIR? I can get every view you can save in the AH viewing system (around the seat etc).
So what is it you feel is missing?
Balsy
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Originally posted by Balsy
Im interested to hear what it is in AH you find that is lacking with TIR?
I switched to TIR about six months ago after 10+ years of using POV in AH. It was an adjustment for sure. For me, the biggest issue is getting all the sensitivity curves adjusted right. The defaults are way too tame (for me) and it left me with a little of a negative impression at first. Once I got everything set right though, to me, flying without TIR would be like using a mouse instead of HOTAS.
I do know several guys who have TIR and do not use it. One of the guys gets sick because of the movement. Another guy claims that TIR distorts the view so that it messes up his gunnery and won't use it because of that. I just don't believe that! He's convinced though and won't use it. I know of another guy who won't use TIR because he says its too slow and he loses SA because he can't view around as fast with TIR as he can with POV. That is a valid point I guess but I personally think because the movement with TIR is fluid, that helps my SA more than snapping to the vairous views. Once you start down that road however, it becomes just a matter of taste I think.
So, this is not a cut and dried issue. There are guys who will line up on both sides of this fence. Some of the issues are valid and some (IMO) are questionable.
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I just got a full CH setup (FS,PT,PP) about 3 weeks ago. Still getting used to it. The FS is smooth as butter. 8-way hat on FS is a bit of a stretch, so I use the 8-way on the PT for views. As I get used to "looking around" with my left hand I'm liking it better than using my right, it's easy to keep my view locked on someone regardless of how I'm throwing the stick around. Biggest adjustment is to the pedals. Still have to think "right foot forward..." That'll come with time. All in all I'm very satisfied with my purchase ($280ish from provantage).
edit - I don't use the CH software. should I and why? also haven't found a good use for the mini-stick on the PT. who uses that and for what?
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I used the CH software for a while. When I read you can turn on the gun camera by pressing the fire button, I thought... Cool!! So, off I went and learned to program the stick. Turns out, its not that useful and the 5 seconds before you fire is much more valuable than the 10 seconds after firing. Setting up a 'trim' button was another one of those ideas that really sounded good on paper. Yet another good idea on paper was having WEP come on in the last 10% of throttle travel. Some real life ideas just don't translate well to a virtual environment, of course YMMV. I found the stick configuration software in AH to be all that's needed, plus there's no extra software to load! Maybe for a game other than AH the CH software would be really useful.
One idea I haven't implemented is having the pilot head position move after a POV button has been held down for more than a few seconds. I suspect that wouldn't be very useful either, certainly not in a dogfight. I guess I'm on the fence about Track IR. If there were a demo to fiddle with at CompUSA (BestBuy, etc) I'd me more certain, one way or the other.
Regards,
Malta
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I opened my MS Sidewinder up last night, trying to splice old CH analog pedals into the pots.
Guess what I found?
NO POTS!
THAT is why these things are great. Pots break down, give bad signals, etc etc. They also move, which helps break things down faster.
The stick is on a spring, in the top half of the base. At the bottom of the stick are 2 lights/LEDs/sensors. They hover over a light sensor on the silicon board directly underneath them. They are space about 3mm apart. So by twisting, pushing, and pulling the stick, these lights move in different ways that the sensor picks up and it knows "ahhh.. you're pushing left!" (and so forth). The throttle is the same, 2 more LEDs that swing up and down to the side of the light sensor. I'm guessing it notices them on top of the other two (different colors, maybe?).
Smashingly brilliant idea for a design. Unfortunately I couldn't splice the rudder pedals into it!!!
Oh, P.S. there's about 20-30 signatures molded on the inside of the bottom plate. No idea who they are (chief designers?) but kinda cool
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I know of another guy who won't use TIR because he says its too slow and he loses SA because he can't view around as fast with TIR as he can with POV.
That's why I sent mine back . I found that I could get the very best rear view with my thumb alot faster than with track ir , I had the 4 model . I also didn't much care to were a hat , even if open toped :( .
I did like it in Flight Sim 2004 etc .
For me it was ok but after 6 years , I think of my right thumb and left index finger as my vitural neck :aok
Balsy
So what is it you feel is missing?
It's not as fast to get the best view . Not knocking it , it's a nice peice of hardware . I did have the victor4 model . I hope you understand what I mean , yes it's fast but to get the last little bit of view took alot more time for me than just moving the hat switch to the bottom postion and I had that maped . Now for say Il2 that Track IR would be better as it doesn't save your views . It's still good , really was fun to fly with , but not to fight with for me at least .
Nomak
I have trackir3 pro with vector. I use it when I fly Falcon and Lock On
I been on the fence to get it to use any other sim but NOT AH as you state it's really not needed here imo . 3 plus vector is the cheapest option , do u feel u miss out not having 4 model ?
Krusty
I told you the only way your gonna get those pedals to work in Winxp is to by a another "pot" joystick , get a reall CHEAP one CH or Thrustmaster one and then just put that joystick under you desk to gather dust .
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Wow you all must have mini hands!! From palm to middle finger is 7 1/2 inches I'm farely young also... I can reach it easyly...
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Originally posted by SkyChimp03
From palm to middle finger is 7 1/2 inches I'm farely young also...
Guys, we got midget in our midst!
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Guys, we got midget in our midst!
:furious
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Dave nice write-up on CH Gear. I've been using Ch products for a long time. Nothing better imho...and I've tried them all.
However for Joystick I prefer the 568 Combatstick USB to the Fighter stick.
To me it just fits my hand better. And along with the throttle and Pro pedals....I only use the keyboard to enter text. Everything I need is setup on the stick, throttle, or combination of stick and throttle. Lookup view on throttle....and all other views on the stick. Gives you view 360 around your aircraft.
I used TrackIR 2. I was disappointed. The view system setup in aces high is much faster imho without worrying about final head postion to gunsite etc.
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Originally posted by Balsy
Nomak,
Im interested to hear what it is in AH you find that is lacking with TIR? I can get every view you can save in the AH viewing system (around the seat etc).
So what is it you feel is missing?
Balsy
Its not that I have any problem with trackir. I just like the AH view system so much that I really don't want to stop using it.
I like using a hat switch for AH. I prefer trackir for my Jet sim stuff.
Dave
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Originally posted by SkyChimp03
Wow you all must have mini hands!! From palm to middle finger is 7 1/2 inches I'm farely young also... I can reach it easyly...
Originally posted by Nomak
If you have small hands this stick may very well be a problem for you. The hat switch is in the upper right hand side of the stick and it is a bit of a reach for me. I have fairly large hands and can palm "most" basketballs. (I say this only to offer some perspective) At first I thought the reach was to far...... I am used to it now and its not a problem for me.
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Originally posted by Nomak
I thought my hands are small:eek:
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Originally posted by SkyChimp03
I thought my hands are small:eek:
:lol
You keep missing the point. Read what I posted again.
Dave
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Originally posted by Nomak
:lol
You keep missing the point. Read what I posted again.
Dave
And i have and i still dont get point. Uour telling people your going to have problems if you have small hands.. I Don't so... It could stop people from geting gear... Can always make a little hand rest thing but i still say 8 way hats not too high.
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
edit - I don't use the CH software. should I and why? also haven't found a good use for the mini-stick on the PT. who uses that and for what?
I've got mine set to adjust my view for looking around struts. Works great.
Also, for anchoring the stick and throttle to the desk I use 3" wide strips of industrial grade velcro
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Originally posted by Murdr
I cant fly with both hands up that high...not very ergonomic...
Some ATX towers, when put next to an adjustable height chair, are almost perfect elevation for a JS.
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Hi, new to AH <---- hence post #1
I have used the CH setup for the last 18 months in Fighter Ace and have had a lot of fun with it and am very used to it. I have made the change to AH and find it very rough, particularly when firing.
I almost think I would be more accurate if I closed my eyes and yanked on the trigger - I know it must be my end as I see people shoot others down with highly accurate bursts.
So, question is, do you guys use the CH mapping or do you just map in game? I use in game and wondered if that is why it seems rough as guts in here.
Cheers
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Originally posted by FESS
Hi, new to AH <---- hence post #1
I have used the CH setup for the last 18 months in Fighter Ace and have had a lot of fun with it and am very used to it. I have made the change to AH and find it very rough, particularly when firing.
I almost think I would be more accurate if I closed my eyes and yanked on the trigger - I know it must be my end as I see people shoot others down with highly accurate bursts.
So, question is, do you guys use the CH mapping or do you just map in game? I use in game and wondered if that is why it seems rough as guts in here.
Cheers
I use AH mapping and have not tried out the CH software. When I fly Falcon4, Lock On or IL2 I use the mapping software. All of those games are more difficult to set up in my opinion. AH is so easy to set up that I don't see a need to use anything else.
Can you give me a little more info when you say "Rough" I suspect you are just still adjusting to the game and the gunnery will come with time. However when you say "Rough" it has me wondering whats going on there.
Dave
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I suspect you are right when you say I am still adjusting to the game.
Rough - get firing solution on enemy - fills my screen - pull trigger - no hits and I seem to lose the ability to keep him in shot - boom out and try again.
I am sure it is just me getting used to the game but just wanted to know if you gys took the time to map to Ch software or used ingame.
I got Track IR as well - sweet - will need to configure properly one day --- baby steps I suppose. I was good in Airwarrior and Fighter Ace and am now having it handed to me in AH - gotta love a challenge :)
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Originally posted by FESS
I. I was good in Airwarrior and Fighter Ace and am now having it handed to me in AH - gotta love a challenge :)
if this is the fess i know from fa you were more than good you were unstoppable....i have better gunnery skills here than i did before i upgraded video....BnZ burp the trigger and off comes a wing....you may not be lining up with the sights good because of trackir...one thing did help me is the lovely z key....sight an enemy get a solution press z and you can see so much better and for a gunmaster like yourself ought to be able to pick your shots...cheers
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Hiya Monte,
yeah I will map z to my stick.
Along the same lines, I can turn IR off by presing F9 which I think will be a good idea for taking the shot but I cannot find a way in game to map F9 to my controller.
Will tweak some.
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FESS I came from FA2.5 and your gonna love this when u get the hang of it IMO .
I shoot pretty good now .
I set my guns to 300 and don't shoot till 200d shows up , do the same till you find a better way for you and u will be fine .
Yep I don't use the ch software , no need to here . I do have 4 sticksetps , one figher
two gv's
three bombers
four all the trims used , I use this when my plane is shot up and rtb'ing from base
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You can set trackIR to turn on and off with a button press on you joystick . It's on you trackIR software , I sent mine back but I did have that working as I remember .
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great post nomak!! especially since i will be looking for a new stick soon---
i noticed you had the klipsch speaker set-up---i have the same set-up.
awesome speakers!!! haven,t heard a better set yet!! i have the 4.1 set.
anyway , i hope you enjoy yours as much as i enjoy mine!!---
thanks again,
Boner
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