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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on November 14, 2006, 04:55:15 PM
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The way I see it. He is about the only hope the Reps have of keeping the White house
Giuliani takes step toward White House bid (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061114/ap_on_el_ho/giuliani2008_20)
As it stands now
I just dont see anyone else the Reps have that would be able to get the vote of both conservatives and moderates.
And thats what its going to take for either party to win the next election
Not only their party. But a significant number of moderate votes from the other party and independants
But. the elevtion is still two years away.
And alot of things can happen in the next two years.
Just cause the Dems are smelling like roses now. Doesnt mean they will be two years from now.
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Rudy's got a lot of baggage, you sure the conservitave base would fully embrace a pro choice, pro gay multiple divorce'? Remamber how he flaunted his mistress around town while still married? He even spent the holidays with his mistress instead of his wife and kids.
Other than those things he's a great Family Values candidate. :lol
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The GOP has no one that can motivate their voters more than Hillary Clinton. Hell, they are positively salivating at the possibility.
The media has long since forgotten that Rudy's approval ratings were in the toilet before the Towers fell. He's probably a good guy to have around after someone blows up your **** but I'm wondering if he can handle the mundane day to day stuff.
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Depending on the choices for the prediential election, I would probabally vote for him
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Originally posted by Sandman
The GOP has no one that can motivate their voters more than Hillary Clinton. Hell, they are positively salivating at the possibility.
The media has long since forgotten that Rudy's approval ratings were in the toilet before the Towers fell. He's probably a good guy to have around after someone blows up your **** but I'm wondering if he can handle the mundane day to day stuff.
His approval ratings were probably down because he cleaned up NY substantially.
The world is funny like that. The wirtyest sections dont like being cleaned up.
From across the river here it looked to me he did a damn good job in NY in spite of whatever ratings he had.
If he can appeal to the moderates on both sides. He wnt need the GOP base.
Most Republicans and Democrats are moderates IMO
Whats called "the base" of eitehr party usually leans so far right, and so far left. they should probably be considered as entirely different parties then those they belong to
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Originally posted by Sandman
The GOP has no one that can motivate their voters more than Hillary Clinton. Hell, they are positively salivating at the possibility.
But how do we know that Hillary will run? Her first priority has always been to serve New York. :lol
Of course that biach is gonna run......that was the plan all along. She's not even a good liar and people still fall for her stuff.
:D
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At this point, I wouldn't be so sure that Hillary will get the nomination.
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Looks like another election where we hold our noses once again when going to the voting booth. :(
I miss Reagan....
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I root for Newt.
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Originally posted by lukster
I root for Newt.
Same here.
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I would be surprised if Newt wins the GOP nomination.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
But how do we know that Hillary will run? Her first priority has always been to serve New York. :lol
Of course that biach is gonna run......that was the plan all along. She's not even a good liar and people still fall for her stuff.
that is one of the things that kills me about her.
Most politicians you know are full of crap but they at least try to put on a good act about what they are BSing you about.
She is such a bad liar she doesnt even look like she is trying to lie well.
She should just wave a flag around when she talks that says "look at me. Im full of crap. And we both know it. but vote for me anyway"
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I predict that the Democrat to watch is not Hillary Clinton. It's Barack Obama.
If he has aspirations for the White House, he must run next year. The worst thing that could happen to him is that another Democrat becomes President in 2008. If so, he won't have another shot at the Presidency until 2016. He must run now.
One thing to keep in mind about Obama is that Oprah Winfrey freaking loves this guy and if she can turn a book into a best seller simply by featuring it on her show, what do you think she can do with a political candidate?
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I Like Giulani, but I Love Romney for President, and this is a big reason...http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/09/06/romney_bars_state_security_for_iranians_harvard_visit/
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Originally posted by Sandman
I predict that the Democrat to watch is not Hillary Clinton. It's Barack Obama.
If he has aspirations for the White House, he must run next year. The worst thing that could happen to him is that another Democrat becomes President in 2008. If so, he won't have another shot at the Presidency until 2016. He must run now.
One thing to keep in mind about Obama is that Oprah Winfrey freaking loves this guy and if she can turn a book into a best seller simply by featuring it on her show, what do you think she can do with a political candidate?
The thing about Barack is that he is very well spoken and likeable. I like him and think he speaks very well. Other than likeable and well spoken, he has nothing. No experience at anything and no real record to ponder.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
that is one of the things that kills me about her.
Most politicians you know are full of crap but they at least try to put on a good act about what they are BSing you about.
She is such a bad liar she doesnt even look like she is trying to lie well.
She should just wave a flag around when she talks that says "look at me. Im full of crap. And we both know it. but vote for me anyway"
I loved how she donned the Yankees hat and became a "long-time Yankee fan" during her run for New York. I though that New Yorkers would have wanted to kick her in the ballz after that. Instead, they elected her. :lol
Of course, she only decided to go for the New York Senate job because of her life-long love a New York. LOL.
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Just a few reasons I will be supporting Mitt
Romney on the issues -
National Security
"When it comes to protecting our citizens, there is no place for political correctness. We should be doing more in terms of intelligence and counterterrorism in the state to protect ourselves from terrorists. We spend a lot of our resources thinking about response, but response can't protect us. We have to be able to prevent attacks."
-Source: press conference (September 2005)
ANWR (Drilling in Alaska)
“I think we ought to have more oil. We ought to develop more sources of oil so that we can increase our supply. But the last thing I want to do is suck it all dry as quickly as we can. I want use less of it.”
–Source: Interview on Hardball with Chris Matthews (December 2005); *Governor Romney answered “yes” when asked specifically if he supported drilling in ANWR.
Character and Integrity
“I believe people who are in a position of visibility and leadership affect the character of young people and individuals who look to them as leaders. And in some respects just as important as their policies and positions is there character and their substance. What for me makes people like Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin Roosevelt and John Adams and George Washington and Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan such extraordinary leaders is that they had integrity through and through. What they were on the inside and what they said on the outside was harmonious. There a lot of people like that. I think that if people try to live a very different personal life not consistent with the role they’ve assumed as a governor or senator or president, we lose something as a nation.”
–Source: The Atlantic (September 2005)
Economic Future
"We cannot continue to have an excellence gap with the rest of the world and intend to remain the economic superpower and military superpower of the planet. That's just not going to happen. We're in a position where unless we take action, we'll end up being the France of the 21st century: a lot of talk, but not a lot of strength behind it in terms of economic capability."
–Source: Boston Globe, November 16, 2005 (quoted from a speech to educators)
Education (in-depth)
“If we don’t recognize our best students and provide them with the intellectual tools and support they need to advance, we won’t be able to keep up with other nations that are doing everything they can to promote excellence in education.”
“I believe that our best teachers are underpaid and should be rewarded for the extra effort they bring to the classroom and the results they deliver for our students. Teachers should be compensated according to their ability to produce real results, not solely on the number of years they’ve been on the job. If we want to attract ambitious teachers, we need to treat teaching as a profession."
–Source: Press Release on education reform (January 11, 2006)
“Some kids, particularly certain minority populations, are falling behind. Horace Mann said that education was the great equalizer. But in too many of our schools today, that is not being achieved. I believe that the failure of education in urban schools is the civil rights issue of our generation.”
–Source: 2006 State of the State Address (January 2006)
Gay Marriage
“Throughout our history, when our country needed us, Americans have stepped forward, standing up to every challenge. We step forward by expressing tolerance and respect for all God's children, regardless of their differences and choices. At the same time, because every child deserves a mother and a father, we step forward by recognizing that marriage is between a man and a woman.”
–Source: Republican National Convention speech, September 1, 2004
“The real impact of gay marriage is not something you’re going to recognize in a year or two. The impact is over generations. I believe each child in America has the right to have a mother and a father.”
–Source: Interview with Hugh Hewitt (July 2005)
Illegal Immigration
“I would like to see us, as a nation, bringing in fewer illegal immigrants.”
“I do not like the idea, therefore, of Amnesty because I’m afraid that when you have a regular Amnesty program, of one form or another, you will create a greater incentive for people to come into the country illegally.”
“In my state I’ve said that I will veto any legislation which calls for a drivers license for illegal immigrants.”
-Source: Speech at the Heritage Foundation (September 2005)
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Originally posted by ByeBye
The thing about Barack is that he is very well spoken and likeable. I like him and think he speaks very well. Other than likeable and well spoken, he has nothing. No experience at anything and no real record to ponder.
He is a politican...Ofcourse he is well spoken and libeable...umm..well...atleas t well spoken...somesimtes....hahaha h
The only Dem that could actually make me entertain the thought of voting for him would be Harold Ford Jr....But seeing he lost his race for the Senate, I don't see how he could possibly run....
I'd love to see John Edwards get the Democratic Nomination in 08...The guy couldn't even win his own state! =)
(http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3151/countymapredblueqw4.png)
Lets do it again in 08!
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Originally posted by cav58d
The only Dem that could actually make me entertain the thought of voting for him would be Harold Ford Jr....But seeing he lost his race for the Senate, I don't see how he could possibly run....
(http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3151/countymapredblueqw4.png)
Lets do it again in 08!
Have you got ANY idea how deeply involved in corruption Harold Ford and his family are? Do you know that his uncle was busted just this year in the "Tennessee Waltz" sting? His father and his uncle have both been hammered multiple times for various corruption scandals, and for generally trying to be completely above the law. And his aunt, I think it is, ran for his uncle's seat after his uncle got busted in the sting, and her supporters got caught in a voter fraud scandal that included out of district voters AND dead voters. Besides the fact that Harold Ford Jr. is ALMOST as moderate as I am FAR LEFT LIBERAL. If you'd vote for Ford, I'd suggest you get serious about educating yourself about people you'd vote for.
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The only hope for the Dems in 1992 was somebody nobody outside of Arkansas ever heard of 2 years before the contest.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The only hope for the Dems in 1992 was somebody nobody outside of Arkansas ever heard of 2 years before the contest.
That's so true. Clinton owes Ross Perot for his "legacy"
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http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm
Throughout my political science career in academia, I have always considered pollingreport.com to be legitimate...Giuliani leads nearly every poll...
Do you think it is because American's just love him so much? Or is it more of being force fed his information??? I happen to think the latter
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Originally posted by cav58d
http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm
Throughout my political science career in academia, I have always considered pollingreport.com to be legitimate...Giuliani leads nearly every poll...
Do you think it is because American's just love him so much? Or is it more of being force fed his information??? I happen to think the latter
It's because he is the face that everyone associates with being extremley rational and in charge during 9/11. He proved to be a real leader.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
It's because he is the face that everyone associates with being extremley rational and in charge during 9/11. He proved to be a real leader.
No doubt...I can't think of a mayor in my lifetime with this much National, and even internation name recognition...
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GREEAAAAATTT...it just hit me....If Rudi is elected, the Yanks will dominate MLB for either four or eight years....ughhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'm glad he isn't Jet fan =)
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He's a Republican, but by no means a conservative, I couldn't vote for him (and as SOON as he became the nominee, his ex would start releasing one nasty personal story after another to the NY Times-- would make Paul McCartney look like Jimmy Stuart)
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Im proud to say that 08 will be my first presidential election I will beable to vote in. Im also happy to see that theres a good chance I wont be voting for the lesser of two evils.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Im also happy to see that theres a good chance I wont be voting for the lesser of two evils.
So, you're leaving the U.S. ?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
So, you're leaving the U.S. ?
Yup. I hear the weather in Iraq is nice during the winter.
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Originally posted by cav58d
http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm
Throughout my political science career in academia,
You've got to be kidding me, I thought you were in still in high school. I can't, for a second, believe that you have had any career in academia. Heck your spelling and grammar alone wouldn't pass muster. Let alone your lack of critical thinking skills.
Nuke.
"The thing about Barack is that he is very well spoken and likeable. I like him and think he speaks very well. Other than likeable and well spoken, he has nothing. No experience at anything and no real record to ponder."
No record to ponder, so like the exact opposite of Kerry right? The lack of record could be a plus, nothing to smear him on.
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i liek to smear things on toast
AND CRACKERS!!!!!1 omg crackers OWN!!!
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“I believe that our best teachers are underpaid and should be rewarded for the extra effort they bring to the classroom and the results they deliver for our students. Teachers should be compensated according to their ability to produce real results, not solely on the number of years they’ve been on the job. If we want to attract ambitious teachers, we need to treat teaching as a profession."
The Concept is right, but the reality is that the poorer neighborhoods do worse, not because of the teachers ability, but because of the lifestyle After School. The teachers would Flee the poor school districts and head for the affluent neighborhoods where they were compensated better, simply by default, for better performance.
The Core Problem is that we all continue to look at education at the Child Level. In order to really solve the real problem, then we need to consider those that are home on welfare taking care of the children being Educated out of that rut. What is spent on social welfare could be greatly reduced if there is investment in educating the parents in those homes. Imagine how a child must feel going home and seeing their future in their parents lives. How could this inspire? It's the only way to break the cycle, you can't rely on the school district, you Have to bring the family up as a whole or it will fail.
I believe each child in America has the right to have a mother and a father.
That's not a right, it's a FACT. I don't care if people of the same sex hook up. It makes no difference to me one way or another. But when you start to redefine the natural order of our very existence then there are problems. Men and Women have sex and make babies. I know, seems pretty basic but for some reason there are people who refuse to acknowledge that. Doesn't matter how you Wish the world was, the fact is, reality will always intrude on the fad of the year.
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Oh, and since I'm bored and rambling, I'll add this :)
Rudie was very popular after 9/11. So was Bush.
Iraq war will have to be over by the time Clinton runs. It will have to be so far behind us that people will have forgotten, and yes they will, that it happened. That could be one of the most important reasons the Democrats were so desperate to make the war out as going bad. Get it behind us, move on, and knowing it was pretty much all Rudie had, he'd have nothing to run on.
It won't matter IF the war is over, but you can bet it won't be on the front page 6 months from now.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Im proud to say that 08 will be my first presidential election I will beable to vote in. Im also happy to see that theres a good chance I wont be voting for the lesser of two evils.
You mean to tell us you wont be voting at all then?;)
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Originally posted by bj229r
He's a Republican, but by no means a conservative,
Exactly why he is about the only chance the republicans have in the next presidential run.
After ultra right wing Bush this country will not be voting right wing again
Saving grace is for all their talk about Iraq. Nobody in the Democratic party seems to have a realistic plan as to what to do. And they seem to all be at odds as to what to do.
Combine that with the fact that while they have a majority. they dont have an overwhelming majority. Which is going to make it that much more difficult to realy accomplish anything within any kind of speedy timeframe
I doubt in 2 years the Iraq situation is going to be vastly different then it is today.
A Fact Im sure wont be lost on the voters.
Problem is Bush.
Too right wing for the base of the country with is largly moderate.
And left a bad bad taste in the mouths of many.
The only hope the republicans have of winning is to put up somone like Rudy.
Who is as you said Republican But not a conservative.
Personal view is The time is now ripe for a 3rd party candidate if one can raise the money needed to make himself noticed (Lets face it. it all boils down to money)
the country. Given its druthers I think would rather not see Hillary elected.
And thats pretty much who the front runner looks like its gonna be
Yet it doesnt want to stomach another 4-8 years of conservative ism either.
And most people are sick of the cross party bickering
People are growing weary of both parties. As would be indicated by the rise in voters registering as independants.
If a 3rd party candidate as I said. can raise the money needed to make himself noticed.
And puts forth a moderate message.
I think that person would stand a real chance.
Barring that.
Anyone other ten Rudy running.
I see our first Female President in our future
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Nuke.
"The thing about Barack is that he is very well spoken and likeable. I like him and think he speaks very well. Other than likeable and well spoken, he has nothing. No experience at anything and no real record to ponder."
No record to ponder, so like the exact opposite of Kerry right? The lack of record could be a plus, nothing to smear him on.
See now I like Barrack also.
Again . A moderate.
At this moment in time barring an independant I like running I've vote for him over Rudy or any other Rep Candidate.
Cant say he doesnt have a record
Its in the
US Congress Votes Database (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/)
And Nuke. Maybe he doesnt have alot of experiance.
But.
You think he could do worse then the ones with experiance have done in the last 40 years? LOL
Maybe someone without alot of experiance is exactly what we need.
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Bush may be a lot of things, but far right wing he ain't. It's the part of the conservative base that DIDN'T back the Republican party this time like they have been that cost them big, and Bush is the reason.
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From what I gather from the talking heads on television, it wasn't the base that abandoned the GOP. It was the independents.
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Originally posted by Sandman
From what I gather from the talking heads on television, it wasn't the base that abandoned the GOP. It was the independents.
Well, the truth is probably somewhere in between. I'd say it was probably some of both. And for different reasons. I tend to ignore talking heads on television, as well as a lot of talk radio. I read a lot, mostly moderate and moderate conservative stuff, although I do read some of the liberal stuff as well. And for the most part ignore the nut jobs at either end of the spectrum except for the entertainment value.
And I still think that TRUE independents and Libertarians are just not going to make it. Reform is going to have to start at the bottom and even then in the primaries. The only hope for that is education, both in a general sense, and in a politically savvy sense.
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Rudy will get moidalized by the opposition with the whole Donna Hanover nonsense. People forgot how ugly things got for him leading up to 9-11.
Look for Tim Pawlenty to get the Nod in '08.
Don't recognize the name? Probably not...which is exactly why the GOP will start spoon feeding him in prep for the white house run.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You mean to tell us you wont be voting at all then?;)
:D
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rudie is an enemy of the second amendment. As bad as most democrats.
lazs
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See Rule #4
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rudie is an enemy of the second amendment. As bad as most democrats.
lazs.
And I bet he's a bit light on respect for the 4th. He won't get my vote.
Charon
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Originally posted by Sandman
From what I gather from the talking heads on television, it wasn't the base that abandoned the GOP. It was the independents.
There may be some truth to that but I think a better description would be swing voters. Truth be told the "base" is pretty pissed at the latest congress as well.
-Spending
-lack of immigration reform
-lack of increased border security
-guest worker amnesty
I know alot of conservative bloggers where up in arms today over the nomination of Trent Lott as the minority whip.
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Originally posted by lazs2
rudie is an enemy of the second amendment. As bad as most democrats.
lazs
Golly, if rudie runs against murtha does that mean your gonna vote democrat if the race is neck and neck? :)
shamus
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Romney and Rudi ticket '08.
I have one question that I have been afraid to ask for Years, but here it goes.... MODs be nice to me please.
Does Hillary still go down on Bill and does he just smile and wink at her thinking.
*My best Bill Clinton voice over*
"Heh Hillary, close but no cigar!"
Wondering minds....wanna know.
Mac
:D
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Bump....in case laz was sleeping.
gotta keep it on page 1 ya know.
shamus