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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on November 15, 2006, 12:36:43 PM
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I've always been a fan of bow hunting, the unpredictability of the animal, and you never can know if your shot is going to kill, and the majority of the time you have to be much closer then with a rifle.
Granted I wouldn't be able to bow hunt, and prefer my rifle.
But these bow hunters have patience...
Esp. when they get out done..
http://break.com/index/deer_from_the_matrix.html
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I once tried to hunt rabbit w/ my recurve. I gave up after I lost about $30 worth of arrows.
A shotgun is so much easier.
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Been there, done that and have the T-shirt.
Deer constantly amaze me...thats just one reason why I love being in the woods.
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I understand bow hunting...but when people use bows to fish I have a problem with it. Not completely sure why, but I do.
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That's what we refer to as "jumping the string". Years ago, before it was filmed, it was commonly believed that the deer actually jumped OVER the arrow, and people compensated by shooting a little high, and missed more.
Once it was discovered that the deer were crouching before they jumped, and the arrow was going over, everyone began to shoot low. People began to shoot faster bows with overdraws, and to work harder at silencing their bows as well.
Only people who shoot bows that are either dead silent or shoot faster than 320 feet per second should consider shooting at ranges much over 20 yards in most cases, and even then only if they shoot very well. Now, it isn't that difficult to shoot well, with practice. And these days, with high powered bows with 85 pound draw weights and 85% let off, it is even easier than it once was.
Do you have a handicap? I'm just wondering because you say you can't bow hunt. In most states, you can hunt with a cross bow if you have a verfiable handicap, and now even if you don't in a lot of states.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
That's what we refer to as "jumping the string". Years ago, before it was filmed, it was commonly believed that the deer actually jumped OVER the arrow, and people compensated by shooting a little high, and missed more.
Once it was discovered that the deer were crouching before they jumped, and the arrow was going over, everyone began to shoot low. People began to shoot faster bows with overdraws, and to work harder at silencing their bows as well.
Only people who shoot bows that are either dead silent or shoot faster than 320 feet per second should consider shooting at ranges much over 20 yards in most cases, and even then only if they shoot very well. Now, it isn't that difficult to shoot well, with practice. And these days, with high powered bows with 85 pound draw weights and 85% let off, it is even easier than it once was.
Do you have a handicap? I'm just wondering because you say you can't bow hunt. In most states, you can hunt with a cross bow if you have a verfiable handicap, and now even if you don't in a lot of states.
No, I just don't think I'd have the patience, nor the state of mind to kill an animal unless I used every bit of it..
But, the way money is going atm in the house, I may need to start hunting to provide some meat for the family so the meat money can go somewhere else, etc.
I'd love to bow hunt, but I have a hard time holding a 18yr old dog thats being euthanized, (It's my job I didn't loose a family pet.), don't think I could take life into my own hands...
Thanks for that history lesson!
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Hey Hawklore,
A bit OT, but is that your post over on Gunboards reenacting with your dog? If so, you should post it here. Nice pooch and nice mauser.
Charon
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If you're looking for cheap meat...taking up hunting initially isn't the way to go. After your investment in weapons, tags, licenses and if you don't want to deal with the public (I don't) a club membership...it gets up there.
Ohio is up to $24 per tag. You can butcher yourself (If you have a hard time putting a dog down you probably won't want to) in addition to the $19.00 hunting license.
After I kill a deer the arrow is usually trashed (There went around $10) and I'm hoping the broadhead isn't toast (yet $10 more)
I just did some "figgerin" the other day going over our maps and transposing it to google earth of all the deer I've killed. (Each and every one within the state of Ohio)
The total was 34.
34 deer times an average $18.00 per tag total = $612
License fees over my lifetime = $217
Figure $1.50 per deer for ammunition (Used Remington Copper Solid 3"MAG rounds the last 5 or so years. Over $2 a pop) = $51
Butchering Fees at $60 per deer = $2040
Gun = Remington 11-87 "Combo" barrel package = $850 at the time
Bow $150 for the crossbow I used when young, $250 for the compound I use now with some accessories.
Forget clothing, accessories, knife taxidermy for 2 large bucks and what not...
850+51+217+621+2040+400 = $4179
Divided by 34 deer = $122.91 per deer
Figure you get what...45lbs of meat per 100lbs of animal. Almost no fat and that comes down to about $2.75 per pound.
Over time you absolutely can't beat it. You'll come out on top with hunting every time...but you get the ultimate bonus. You get to be in the woods!
You'll see things like this:
(http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Golfer/deerinwoods.jpg)
You will walk right up on a deer (http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Golfer/deer1.mpg)
and then watch it walk toward you (http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Golfer/deer2.mpg)
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Originally posted by Hawklore
I've always been a fan of bow hunting, the unpredictability of the animal, and you never can know if your shot is going to kill, and the majority of the time you have to be much closer then with a rifle.
Granted I wouldn't be able to bow hunt, and prefer my rifle.
But these bow hunters have patience...
Esp. when they get out done..
http://break.com/index/deer_from_the_matrix.html
For every kill by an arrow, dozens of animals are wounded by "Ted Nugent wannabes." I've seen countless deer with arrows sticking out of their backs, hind quarters, etc.
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I have been bow hunting for the past five years. Its the only real hunting that we have high powered rifles and today muzzle loaders take no skill to kill. On some south Texas ranges we will use rifles but that is a different form of hunting with high racks on trucks so you can see over the brush.
This year with a bow
2 does
6 pigs 2 were stocks
1 coyote first with a bow
Hunting isn't cheap in Texas i have spent over 5k this year without a lease. We run corn 3/4 of the year and protein in the late spring all the way up to hunting season.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
For every kill by an arrow, dozens of animals are wounded by "Ted Nugent wannabes." I've seen countless deer with arrows sticking out of their backs, hind quarters, etc.
Dozens of wounds for every kill, huh? I'll bet you just made that number up, and I'll bet there are far more misplaced bullets flyin around the woods than arrows.
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I have found all my deer but i have lost 2 hogs. I think the hogs were just wounded but i really couldn't find that much blood. When i was a rifle hunter i thought the same thing about bow hunting and wounding deer. I am willing to put money that more rifle hunter don't find their deer after the shot more than bow hunters. I think that most bow hunter are more sportsman and take time and practice their skills more often than rifle hunters do. I will only take a good shot and to this day most deer i shoot go about 30 yards.
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I counted 78 shots opening morning off rifle season. I know for a fact that the deer that was dead on our road came from a rifle blind on the next door neighbors ranch. They shot it high on the bellybutton and it must have ran a mile to die next to that road.
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Originally posted by VOR
Dozens of wounds for every kill, huh? I'll bet you just made that number up, and I'll bet there are far more misplaced bullets flyin around the woods than arrows.
Nope, come to Michigan. You always have the idiots that unload a shotgun. Those aren't "hunters", they're idiots.
Again, come to Michigan, I'll show you DOZENS of deer with arrows sticking out of them in two days.
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Every so often I'll see a deer with a wound that had either healed or was well on its way.
If a deer limps by me, no matter the size, it's soon to be my deer.
I can't say I've ever seen any (I guess that makes them 'countless') deer with an arrow sticking out of it. I don't see any animal allowing that to just sit there...it would eventually have it ripped out or die trying I'd think.
I have had my knife bump into a broadhead when dressing a deer...that was a wakeup call to be careful. I can't imagine how fun it would be to reach up in the chest cavity of a deer and have razor blades slicing open my fingers.
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Originally posted by FX1
I am willing to put money that more rifle hunter don't find their deer after the shot more than bow hunters. I think that most bow hunter are more sportsman and take time and practice their skills more often than rifle hunters do.
I aim and hit them in the neck. They drop like a sack of ****.
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That's brilliant, bumpkin. In my younger days (with a shotgun) I hit a deer in the neck trying to hit it where you're supposed to. I've fired with the dear head-on (yes...I HO'd a deer) right dead center of the chest with a shotgun.
(http://www.thompsontarget.com/Products/targets/Deer-big-game.jpg)
Makes me wonder why I spend all my time shooting 3D targets in the body. Next time I'll argue that I should get more points.
I aim and hit them in the neck. They drop like a sack of ****.
If you told me this line at any type of social gathering...I'd walk away from you never to talk to you about anything hunting again.
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I like the head you miss our they drop. Rifle hunter have a bad idea about bow hunting because i think they are lazy.
Have you ever hit the out side of the neck. That's always a nice feeling to see them run off with a piece of their meat hanging and its breathing from the hole you made with a .270...
I have seen 180 class buck at 220 yards get hit with a 300 win mag drop to the ground then run off never to be found in the thorns of south Texas. Its all pot luck if it isn't standing 80 yards broadside. What you do is killing with a bow its hunting that's all. If i see it with a rifle its dead with a bow its just a first step to a exciting hunt.
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Unless you are 100% sure you can kill the animal with the first shot then bow hunting is just a cruel game. It takes real skill, and unless you have that then stick to the rifle. Ive seen films on the web of idiots "hunting" with bows only to injure their pray with a "spray" of arrows. There are also videos floating of folks "hunting" with revolvers, and thats just as dumb.
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Originally posted by Golfer
If you told me this line at any type of social gathering...I'd walk away from you never to talk to you about anything hunting again.
That would be your right, but I'm not "worried about my aim". I'm fresh out of rat's tulips Golfer. 5 deer so far out of 5 shots fired. I go about every other year, my son is now 5 and I enjoy spending more time with him. I eat what I shoot. I grew up in a family that "shunned hunting". I was the "one that got away".
So yer telling me you couldn't hit a deer in the neck from 75-100 yards, with a 30-06 & 3x9 scope?!! They do NOT run, but I've noticed some are so damn "high n mighty" around here. So that would mean they run after the neck is snapped and shattered.
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Originally posted by FX1
Have you ever hit the out side of the neck. That's always a nice feeling to see them run off with a piece of their meat hanging and its breathing from the hole you made with a .270....
I have a SigSauer 30-06. I use 180gr Cor-Lokt. I've shot and kilt 6 deer since I started going with my father-in-law. The first deer went through the heart and lungs, moved 30 yards after the shot. The last 5 is how he has shot for over 35 years. He used a Belgian made Browning B.A.R. semi-auto that he bought in 73. He now hunts with "blackpowder", and going to Maine for Bear.
Sorry if some feel I'm "full of chit", it's your right, but you're wrong.
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That's great but don't get over your head. We all have hunting in common and its better than sitting around the cpu. In my youth i killed 54 deer in one hunt in Mexico with a 22-250 most were head shot. I guess i have grown up from those days but part of hunting is managing your heard.
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Originally posted by FX1
That's great but don't get over your head. We all have hunting in common and its better than sitting around the cpu. In my youth i killed 54 deer in one hunt in Mexico with a 22-250 most were head shot. I guess i have grown up from those days but part of hunting is managing your heard.
I never "got over my head". That is my whole point. Eagler needed to check his "bravado" at the door, but forgot.
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So yer telling me you couldn't hit a deer in the neck from 75-100 yards, with a 30-06 & 3x9 scope?!! They do NOT run, but I've noticed some are so damn "high n mighty" around here. So that would mean they run after the neck is snapped and shattered.
What i am telling you is that skill and luck play a part in every kill. I am willing to bet that sense your new into the sport you really need to grow with the sport. Rifle hunting is fun but its killing and i have done lots of killing in my life. Bow hunters refined the sport pay more attention to detail than most rifle hunters. I like my rifles and have over 30 in all kind of calibers. I just feel that bow hunting is much more of a sport than sitting 100 yards and poping something in the neck my 9 year old did that 2 weeks ago with a .243 (:
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
That would be your right, but I'm not "worried about my aim". I'm fresh out of rat's tulips Golfer. 5 deer so far out of 5 shots fired. I go about every other year, my son is now 5 and I enjoy spending more time with him. I eat what I shoot. I grew up in a family that "shunned hunting". I was the "one that got away".
So yer telling me you couldn't hit a deer in the neck from 75-100 yards, with a 30-06 & 3x9 scope?!! They do NOT run, but I've noticed some are so damn "high n mighty" around here. So that would mean they run after the neck is snapped and shattered.
I'm gonna agree with Mash on this one. I've been hunting for 25 years and after I got my first rifle in H.S., (a remington 30-06) the neck is ALL I shoot for. I have absolutely no problem with that because I KNOW where my bullet is going to go. When I go to the range, I don't leave until I'm shooting quarter size groups at 100 meters. I've shot at 4 deer in my 25 year career all four were neck shots all four dropped right then and there. Shots ranged from 75 to about 110 yards.
My Dad instilled in me very early on that you don't shoot at the animal unless you are going to bring it down on one shot. If you can't, you don't shoot. Period. That's probably why I don't get one very often. To throw bullets into the air in hopes you get the animal is not only completely unsportsmanlike, its dangerous as well.
IMO, done corectly, the neck shot (second only to a head shot) is the most humane way of killing a deer.
In the spirit of the original thread, I used to bowhunt as well, and I MUCH prefered if over rifle. However, I outgrew my bow, didn't have time to practice to be accurate enough and had to give it up.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
There are also videos floating of folks "hunting" with revolvers, and thats just as dumb.
I hunt with a revolver Nilsen. Actually, two different revolvers. A Dan Wesson 44HV 44 Magnum, and a Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt I originally bought for my late father. Both are plenty accurate, and plenty powerful. In fact, the 44 and 45 take wild bore down better than most non magnum rifles, because a 300 grain bullet with a 1300+ feet per second muzzle velocity will generally smash large heavy bone with ease. And a big bore 180 grain JHC bullet will go through a deer easily and make an exit wound the size of a tennis ball when it leaves the muzzle at 1750+ feet per second. Not for the novice by any stretch, but not "dumb" either.
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I shot a hog with a 44 this spring and it didn't even wiggle its tale. I was going to shoot a deer with my .40 this year but i have yet to take it out to the blind. Hand gun hunting is something i have not done so i am looking forward to it. Any hunting is OK with me (;
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I hesitate to participate in this thread for fear I'll drown in the testosterone.
At 53 years of age, I'm one of the older hunters to frequent these boards. I've been hunting since I was five years old, so I've got nearly a half-a-century of outdoors experiences to draw on. My family has always hunted and shared a wealth of information and personal anecdotes on the sport so, as one might imagine, I've developed some fairly solid opinions about what works and what doesn't.
First of all, please spare me the macho bull-shirt about your marksmanship skills. If you've killed only a half-a-dozen deer or so you are still tyros in every sense of the word. I'm positively thrilled that some of you spend so much time practicing your shooting....but try to develop a little humility and wisdom along with it.
If you haven't muffed a neck shot you've been lucky. That's right...LUCKY. Believe me...YOU WILL. As any long-time and knowledgeable hunter will tell you it's the riskiest shot you can take. Many forego it altogether. The head and neck of a deer are it's most active body parts...and their movements are totally unpredictable. Some day you'll draw a bead on a deer that has it's head down and feeding, in the process of squeezing off your favorite neck shot, when the animal suddenly jerks it's head up and looks straight at you and....disaster...a bullet striking a nose or blowing away a jaw.
I downed two deer on Monday...both shot through the lungs. The first was a small buck that piled up as soon as the bullet hit him. He didn't even quiver. The second was a doe, shot at closer range in the same fashion who ran about seventy-five yards. Had a heck-of-a-drag getting her out of a briar thicket, but that's just part of hunting.
As to the argument as to whether bow or rifle hunting is more noble...gimme a BREAK. You're seriously trying to cover yourselves with a layer of virtue because you kill an animal using a different method than does your neighbor? :rofl Wake up morons. Your sport is under attack by urbanized nitwits who were raised in concrete jungles on Bambi and The Lion King who believe that all hunters are cruel neanderthals. You can't afford any dissension over the ethical superiority of one type of hunting as opposed to another.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
That would be your right, but I'm not "worried about my aim". I'm fresh out of rat's tulips Golfer. 5 deer so far out of 5 shots fired. I go about every other year, my son is now 5 and I enjoy spending more time with him. I eat what I shoot. I grew up in a family that "shunned hunting". I was the "one that got away".
So yer telling me you couldn't hit a deer in the neck from 75-100 yards, with a 30-06 & 3x9 scope?!! They do NOT run, but I've noticed some are so damn "high n mighty" around here. So that would mean they run after the neck is snapped and shattered.
I'm not saying that. My shooting skill is not what I pride myself on. I pride myself on my hunting ability. I haven't needed to take a shot in excess of 20 yards but for one exception in the last 8 years. That was purely on ego and to put the new shells (Remington Copper Solids mentioned above) to the test.
Like I said...the statements you've made thus far lead me to believe that we do not have anything in common when it comes to hunting beyond being in the woods with a weapon. That's where I leave our discussion.
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Shuckins I went to UAM and used to hunt deer with a bow out behind the school and at the old POW camp site.
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Bah!
thats not hunting.
You wanna hunt. Hunt bear with a bowie knife.
Now THATS hunting ;)
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Virginia just opened up crossbow hunting this year, so I decided to get a crossbow and try my hand at deer hunting. So far, I've gotten the license and some hunting locations. I still need a climbing treestand and of course to "get out there".
The only part I am hesitant about is cleaning the deer after it's shot and getting it back home. I've found some videos on the net and have cleaned plenty of smaller game. Still, a deer is a pretty big animal to deal with after it's shot.
I've even though of ways to get the hide tanned as a fur or just deerskin. Eating the animal won't be a problem and I'm somewhat of an amateur butcher so, other than bones, that's ok. Do people just put the remains in a trash bag and throw it away? That's what I intend to do.
Regarding ethics, I think that's extremely important in this day and age. It's refreshing to know how many supporters of hunting there are, but they aren't vocal. It's the anti-hunters that get on the news and try and influence the general public.
Crossbow hunting is basically the same as regular bow hunting (although a separate license is needed in VA) with the deer dieing due to blood loss. I may get into traditional recurve hunting next year but that depends on how much I practice. The crossbow can keep all shots within 2" at 20 yards (my self imposed maximum range). With the recurve I can keep 90% of the shots within 10" at 20 yards.
I may decide deer hunting isn't for me, but it's a really good excuse to buy a modern crossbow!
Regards,
Malta
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Rogwar, :rofl
That can still be done...but you have to drive by a couple of new dorms to do it.
My brother-in-law and I used to drive out there at night to count deer...and he may...may mind you...have shot a few himself.
Anyways....what years did you attend and what was your major?
I attended from 1971 -1975, and obtained a B.S. in Social Studies.
Regards, Shuckins
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Hi I'm the original topic..
Nice to meet yall..
:aok
Point is, it takes more skill to down a deer with a bow then it does with a rifle.
Granted if you increase the range of the rifle shot, it might start to equal the difficulty of bow hunting, but again, you got to factor in getting up to 20yds away from a wild deer without it bolting.
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Originally posted by stantond
Virginia just opened up crossbow hunting this year, so I decided to get a crossbow and try my hand at deer hunting. So far, I've gotten the license and some hunting locations. I still need a climbing treestand and of course to "get out there".
The only part I am hesitant about is cleaning the deer after it's shot and getting it back home. I've found some videos on the net and have cleaned plenty of smaller game. Still, a deer is a pretty big animal to deal with after it's shot.
I've even though of ways to get the hide tanned as a fur or just deerskin. Eating the animal won't be a problem and I'm somewhat of an amateur butcher so, other than bones, that's ok. Do people just put the remains in a trash bag and throw it away? That's what I intend to do.
Regarding ethics, I think that's extremely important in this day and age. It's refreshing to know how many supporters of hunting there are, but they aren't vocal. It's the anti-hunters that get on the news and try and influence the general public.
Crossbow hunting is basically the same as regular bow hunting (although a separate license is needed in VA) with the deer dieing due to blood loss. I may get into traditional recurve hunting next year but that depends on how much I practice. The crossbow can keep all shots within 2" at 20 yards (my self imposed maximum range). With the recurve I can keep 90% of the shots within 10" at 20 yards.
I may decide deer hunting isn't for me, but it's a really good excuse to buy a modern crossbow!
Regards,
Malta
I used for a number of years a Horton crossbow with a 150lb pull. I bagged 1 deer in all those years. I successfully pinned to trees a couple squirrels and bagged a couple of rabbits (My 6 arrow quiver still has 2 field point equipped arrows for just such a reason)
I didn't like it because it wasn't for me. It's the business for a lot of people though. The cons for me were:
It's bulky
It's heavier than a traditional bow
It's noisy (but the bolts shoot faster)
It has a weak range compared to a longbow
It IS accurate
It IS consistant
it IS perfect for someone brand new to hunting or with a handicap
I have no problem shooting a target with either out to 40 yards. For grins I have a 60 yard pin on my bow mostly because too many coyotes have gotten away. My first deer with a longbow (Compound bow) was at 40 yards and the rest have been inside of 15. All but one from the ground as I'm not typically in a tree.
As far as disposing of remains...where we live there are lots of farm fields around and one in particular with a ditch about 1000yds long. We've discovered that placing the deer remains in the middle of the field while in the cover of the ditch at night time makes for great coyote hunting. Squirrels nibble on the bones and eventually everything decomposes.
I've never tried throwing them away but do throw away geese, ducks and doves once I breast them out. Other than being much heavier and warranting several bags I don't see the big deal but I'm sure you'll want to quietly check local information on your own.
Even if I do have a deer butchered I take the tenderloin out myself because I do a butterfly-esque cut to them that no butcher has ever seemed to get right. Plus I've had them come back a little light a number of times and you do not mess with my venison tenderloin!
Do enjoy. I find myself using my camera more than a weapon in the last couple years. Must mean there's something worth seeing out there. :)
Take a look at the movie links I posted above. I walked up on a deer a couple weeks ago and was less than 10 paces from it when I first saw it. I drew on it because all I saw was the back of a head as it was bedded down in heavy wind at the edge of a field. After 3 minutes (and lots and lots of arm pain!) it stood up and I saw how big it was.
It took me a little extra time to get the camera out of my pocket slowly mostly using the bow itself to hide my own movement and finally get the video going. The still picture was taken after the video when the little thing wouldn't run away until the big doe behind it winded me and took off.
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I hunted with a crossbow a couple times and its almost like bow hunting because of the range. In Texas we don't have a crossbow season but you can hunt with a crossbow in rifle season. Never bought one rather have a nice bow but if their was a special season for cross bows i would perchance one. Anything to make my hunting season longer. I start the first of Sept for dove then bow season in Oct and rifle ends in late feb. I hunt hogs all year long but love the spring time because summer is for the lake not the ranch at 100 degrees. All hunting is a wonderful sport and we should feel special about one of our great past times.
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Tonight i get to wash my camo cloth's in sent killer so my weekend start tonight...
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Originally posted by Golfer
I'm not saying that. My shooting skill is not what I pride myself on. I pride myself on my hunting ability. I haven't needed to take a shot in excess of 20 yards but for one exception in the last 8 years. That was purely on ego and to put the new shells (Remington Copper Solids mentioned above) to the test.
Like I said...the statements you've made thus far lead me to believe that we do not have anything in common when it comes to hunting beyond being in the woods with a weapon. That's where I leave our discussion.
If yer trying to infer I have an ego, you are sorely mistaken Golfer. But to each his own, it's good to know YOU will be right, no matter what.
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Speaking of bowhunting... anyone interested in a Martin Lynx?
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i think its funny that people would argue humane standpoints about a vocation of death and maiming defenceless animals. Now i'm not against hunting, we're animals right?
whats the difference between a man who reasonably claims that he has shot 5 rounds at a deer and killed all five with a spine shot, although risking a terrible yet possibly immortal missed shot, and the 'elite hunters' who think that somehow the deer thank them for the profesonal way they terminate existance. for every keen hunter who has a feel of mother nature and balance there will be 5 more to follow him wanting to blow the watermelon out of things.
my honest opinion on this little debate is that infact karaya's method is the best. instantly no pain below the shattered spine , if the deer even lives through the impact and shock. i suspect the deer that gets shot through the neck and survives, lives out its days ever thankfull that it didnt get shot in any of its heavy muscle groups or limbs, or even worse an internal organ.
A common rookie hunter's mistake will be lead estimation and 'against' moving targets a gut shot will happen on every tour guide hunting trip package anywhere in the world. don't matter if its a rat in my log store or the mighty lion on the plains, a gut shot it the most digusting thing a human can inflict on another lifeform.
i like the idea of through the spine, with a miss resulting in death by bullet trauma or a very high chance of running off with nothing but the chits put up you.
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alternate response in BB shorthand:
Deer: "ooo thank you mister hunter for aiming for my heart and not my spine."
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VOR that is a very nice bow and fletching, is it home made?
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
VOR that is a very nice bow and fletching, is it home made?
Thanks. I wish it were my own work. I gave it a try with a piece of red oak a couple of years ago. It didn't go well, but i really didn't expect it to. I had a functional baseball bat with a string tied to both ends.
Fletching is another matter. I didn't make the arrow pictured (footing and horn nock inserts are beyond my skillset) but I've make a few here and there from cedar shafts and turkey feathers. I was surprised at how easy it was, and some of them even flew straight. :rofl
I also have a 72" ELB made from Oregon Yew by Jay St Charles. I'm too chicken to actually take it into the woods for fear of bruising the sapwood.
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i think i'd rather hunt poontang, myself...
damn hicks!
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If yer trying to infer I have an ego, you are sorely mistaken Golfer. But to each his own, it's good to know YOU will be right, no matter what.
Read the post again. The only ego I mentioned was mine.
I'm saying our views diverge once we get into the woods. Beyond that we have nothing to discuss on the subject of hunting because I recognize that our views at this time are not compatible.
I completely and vehemently disagree with intentionally firing at anything other than the vital area on a deer. There is always an exception. Straight on ahead with a shotgun or rifle is the exception in my book. To do otherwise and boast that you have a 5/5 shot to kill ratio (you really do play too much AH if you're doing that!) while being an infrequent (other than annual) hunter shows inexperience in addition to, if you excuse the cliche; excess and unneeded bravado.
You might be a good shot, but you've got a long way to go to be a good hunter. That's what I'm saying.
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Not sure what to say to all this except I am going to have to agree with Shuckins all the way. I have been hunting for 20years now and hunt bow, muzzleloader, and shotgun (no rifles in Rhode Island). The only shot anyone should be taking is behind the front leg to get a clean double lung shot. If any of you attended hunter saftey class this will be the number one thing drilled in your head along with know your target.
I am not saying a neck or head shot is bad, but it is not the preffered shot to take.
I have taken a quite a few deer in my time but also lost a few after many many hours/days of tracking. It happens and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Me personally, I only shot when I know 100% I have a clean clear shot. Just this past Saturday I had a buck walk out 20ft (not yards..could see the wettnes on his nose) but did not have a shot since he was on my off shooting hand. I waited him out but in the end he trotted off (15 minutes later taken by my hunting partner)
In the end there is no greater feeling then being out in the woods with these animals and it is a priviledge just to see one let alone taking one.
Good luck to all in the woods.
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Originally posted by mandingo
i think i'd rather hunt poontang, myself...
damn hicks!
rofl, what do you go after them with?
my favorite weapon is a c-note wrapped around a stack of singles....
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Originally posted by Debonair
rofl, what do you go after them with?
my favorite weapon is a c-note wrapped around a stack of singles....
Shouldn't that be the other way to provide the illusion of large bills rather than small ones ;)
Then again...maybe that's how you roll.
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Originally posted by Golfer
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You might be a good shot, but you've got a long way to go to be a good hunter. That's what I'm saying.
Golfer, just a comment - your point might be taken better if it was made in non-judgmental terms.
As to the point in contention....I'm not a good shot, I'm an extremely good shot. I shot NRA Expert (rifle) at age 11. I regularly shot 5X on the indoor range at that age, that was just routine for me (for those of you who don't shoot, we're talking 5 shots at 50 feet from the target, all centered with all 5 making one hole about a quarter of an inch in diameter). I started hunting on my own (well, me and my dog) at age 9. That was well over 40 years ago. I've killed enough game to fill a warehouse, and processed all the meat myself. I'm speaking as the Voice of Experience here.
I'm perfectly capable of making a neck-spine shot out to, say, 200 yards (to keep it within safe limits).
But I would *never* for any reason attempt to do so.
Golfer and Shuckins are right. Just aft of the point of the shoulder joint is the correct aimpoint on a deer, if shooting from abeam. Its my opinion that the only responsible thing to do when shooting anything is take the shot with the widest margin for error, and the highest probability of a "stop" within that margin.
If you aim for the double lung shot on a deer, you are taking a shot that allows you to err several inches in any direction and still be likely to put the deer down within a reasonable distance. Humans do err, even humans who are "good shots".
Its OK to be prideful of your marksmanship skills. But, leave the demonstations for the target range. In the field, shoot to be effective. That means take every advantage, including margin for error.
culero
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I r teh mental mideget!
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^^^^^^
For crying out loud.
Hey Skuzzy! Here's another one to kill. I'm beginning to wonder about this.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Unless you are 100% sure you can kill the animal with the first shot then bow hunting is just a cruel game. It takes real skill, and unless you have that then stick to the rifle. Ive seen films on the web of idiots "hunting" with bows only to injure their pray with a "spray" of arrows. There are also videos floating of folks "hunting" with revolvers, and thats just as dumb.
Yep :aok
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Please. You are hunting with the intention to kill it quickly...
Not because it's humane, but because those suckers can run really far!
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Their are some arm chair hunters in this forum that's for sure.
Today i am going to shoot my bow so i can wound Bamby first thing on Saturday morning. Then i am going to stock a pig with my g35 and try and take a leg off.
Some people just need to get out in woods more and stop fighting about whats humane. Geezz yall sound like peta and i would never invite you to my ranch for the weekend. All i need is someone protesting my hunt while i am in the stand.
Golfer anytime your in Texas lets shoot some pigs one weekend..
Some videos from last year maybe i will have a couple from this weekend.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4433009037323564701&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3861202201141929898&hl=en
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Bwah...feeders?
I roll my eyes when I see those $3000 trophy deer 'hunts' on television of ranches in texas where they sit in a box on a tripod waiting for the deer to stop by the feeder.
Especially when the guy is basking in the glory of shooting an animal that's just going on its way to dinner. Sitting on a sure thing isn't hunting...but those guys sure clean up at a few grand a pop.
Maybe I'm in the wrong business.
Now the pigs on the other hand...like coyotes let er rip! I wish I could lure coyotes in with a feeder. I'd have something belt fed and fully automatic standing by for the pack.
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My Benelli super 90 with 9 shots of 00 buck will put a end to any pig raids. We only shoot does and spike under the feeder most buck will stay back and those are the ones that you are looking for. This weekend i am hunting pop ups on trails with hand thrown corn. See if any big boys walk in kill range.
Feeders are great when your hunting 3000 acres. You really cant see that far because of the brush most cases 50 yards if your lucky. Just sitting in one spot will not be a good hunt in Texas you will be lucky to see one deer. Unlike north we dont have trees over 10 feet so blinds need to be elevated and large so moving them around is a big problem.
I mix 50/50 corn protein in most of my feeders in the hill country and in south Texas we dont have feeder but we do tail gate feed the roads when we hunt. The brush is so thick you need them to come out on the roads to get a good look.
That video with the pig last weekend i shot a coyote under the feeder. He was just walking the area in the morning. In that same hunt i had a bob cat take a nap under my tree stand. Great hunt only wished i could have gotten some meat but i can always shoot a pig if needed.
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Hey Hawklore, I think I found the perfect thing for for you:
hawklore style hunting (http://www.bizarrevideogames.com/shoottheanimals.php)
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Originally posted by VOR
Thanks. I wish it were my own work. I gave it a try with a piece of red oak a couple of years ago. It didn't go well, but i really didn't expect it to. I had a functional baseball bat with a string tied to both ends.
Fletching is another matter. I didn't make the arrow pictured (footing and horn nock inserts are beyond my skillset) but I've make a few here and there from cedar shafts and turkey feathers. I was surprised at how easy it was, and some of them even flew straight. :rofl
I also have a 72" ELB made from Oregon Yew by Jay St Charles. I'm too chicken to actually take it into the woods for fear of bruising the sapwood.
it looks like it could fire 200yrds no problem.
myself and a friend used to make them out of hazel. we would carve them and dry them for a day, then wax and varnish the next morning. used 10mm dowling rods and goose fethers, works a treat.
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Originally posted by Golfer
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Now the pigs on the other hand...like coyotes let er rip! I wish I could lure coyotes in with a feeder. I'd have something belt fed and fully automatic standing by for the pack.
Coolest way to hunt coyotes is to make a night hide, next to an area that will have enough ambient light to allow you to see their shape or silhouette. Sit in your hide with a hand-held rabbit call and a 12 gauge pump loaded 00Buck. Make those "rabbit in distress" sounds long enough, and the pack will send scouts in to investigate. I've eliminated many of the little bastards that way, close enough to "see the whites of their eyes". Suuuurpriiiiise :)
Another fun method is to drive around in the boonies at night with a handheld spotlight and a long-range rifle (I like a .270). You can see their eyes from a long way, and they usually allow you to approach to within 300-400 yards before they spook - so you can "reach out and touch someone" :)
Trapping is the most efficient way to kill Wiley, but its just not as much fun.
culero
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Rogwar, :rofl
That can still be done...but you have to drive by a couple of new dorms to do it.
My brother-in-law and I used to drive out there at night to count deer...and he may...may mind you...have shot a few himself.
Anyways....what years did you attend and what was your major?
I attended from 1971 -1975, and obtained a B.S. in Social Studies.
Regards, Shuckins
Sorry I didn't get back sooner but was busy. I went there in 1983-1987 and studied Forestry. Originally from Springdale....or maybe that's Sprangdale...lol. Since a lot of us at Maxwell Hall were forestry students and were from quite a ways off, we always found interesting things to keep us occupied. Several small deer were culled from the campus area and BBQed :D
- I remember Rays, still there?
- and having to drive XX.X miles to buy beer.
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I'd still like to go hunting, just dunno how I could feel killing such beutifal animals as deer..
Turkey hunting, perhaps..
Boar/Hog hunting, dirty filthy little animals, not worth eating unless it's bacon!!!
Drool...
BACON!!!
(http://www.psicentrum.cz/shops/7571/images-goods/P2120306.jpg)
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That won't do it for you either, Hawklore.
I can't think of an animal (other than oppossum and geese...grrr!) that I've bagged that I don't consider beautiful.
Deer, Ducks, Doves, Grouse, Turkey, Squirrel, Pheasant and even my arch nemesis...coyotes. The lot are beautiful especially seeing them in their element.
That's why I go hunting...to see them. It's a bonus they just happen to be tasty!
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Originally posted by Golfer
That won't do it for you either, Hawklore.
I can't think of an animal (other than oppossum and geese...grrr!) that I've bagged that I don't consider beautiful.
Deer, Ducks, Doves, Grouse, Turkey, Squirrel, Pheasant and even my arch nemesis...coyotes. The lot are beautiful especially seeing them in their element.
That's why I go hunting...to see them. It's a bonus they just happen to be tasty!
Kinda like women then aye?
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well if you kill and eat your women and screw your animals then the best I can muster is a...maybe?:huh
What exactly ARE your hobbies, anyway???
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I think you hunter guys are a bunch of wimps. What I do for fun is rape deer. Yup, you read right; I rape deer. It’s way harder than just killing them. Not only do you have to sneak up on them but you’ve got to be able to tackle them and hold em down for awhile. I’ve yet to get a big one; they’re just too strong and the big bucks always end up trashing me. I’m considering bringing some rope next time. Do you think it sounds unsportsmanlike to tie up a deer before you rape it?
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Hawklore, if it makes it any easier for ya, think of deer as being vermin.
Beautiful vermin perhaps, but vermine nonetheless.
Rats with antlers.
Their only redeeming virtue is their delectability.
Regards, Shuckins
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Rogwar,
Ray's is still there...as busy as ever....but Monticello has changed greatly since you were enrolled at UAM.
A great little town. A first rate movie theater was constructed a few years ago....couple of new restaurants....Wal-Mart Super Center....a Wahlgreen's being built where the old Coca-Cola plant used to be....nice, large reservoir opened several years ago for fishing....bowling alley....and Dermott is still only 30 miles away, if you're the type that develops a thirst.
And first rate deer hunting, especially between Monticello and the Louisiana State Line.
UAM's enrollment is running at record levels.
Worth paying a visit to.
Regards, Shuckins