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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Easyscor on November 17, 2006, 09:50:23 PM
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A clear voice.
Hitech – 01-26-2001
Gentlemen don't get into the specifics ask yourself 2 question.
1. Do you wish to make capture easyer or harder?
2. Do you wish caputures to require more team work or less.
Start with those questions and see where it leads you.
In the beginning, there was Aces High,
and it grew.
In the beginning there was an airfield. And all was good.
And Aces High grew.
Then there came a map room and troops. And two guys could capture a base. Players were spread all over the map but a fight could still be found.
And Aces High game play was good.
Then came a small town and the map room was moved. It now took 4-6 guys to capture a base and players were spread all over the map but a fight could still be found.
And Aces High game play was good.
Some young squads that wanted to roll up bases on squad night couldn’t succeed. They gathered more and more members until even with 32 they couldn’t make a capture consistently. They were mostly ignored by the community.
And Aces High game play was good.
Then came a larger town. It now took a whole “mega squad” to ensure consistent captures. Squads got organized and started forming formal Alliances for base captures on squad nights.
And Aces High game play was good.
Other player countries saw what was happening and formed formal Alliances of their own.
And Aces High game play began to falter on those nights.
The formal squad-night alliances developed into the informal horde marching across the terrain 24/7, gang banging undefended bases while the other countries did the same in an endless cycle.
And Aces High game play faltered.
The arena was split asunder but no other changes were made.
Squads, Alliances and the informal horde coalesced into single countries in areas where base capture was more likely against foes with lesser numbers. If failing the numbers advantage, they moved to an arena were they could achieve base captures on a more consistent basis.
Aces High responded with anti-aircraft guns to supply AI opponents to slow the horde.
The horde moves across the map more slowly and the gang bangs last longer but the maps don’t reset as often.
The voice is dim now, but it can still be heard out of the past…
Hitech – 01-26-2001
Gentlemen don't get into the specifics ask yourself 2 question.
1. Do you wish to make capture easyer or harder?
2. Do you wish caputures to require more team work or less.
Start with those questions and see where it leads you.
Maybe someone still listens to that voice.
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Of all the changes, I believe the larger town size is primarily responsible for the game play degradation over the last year and a half. It has brought about the concentration of the average players into the horde we see in the MA. While I like the field ack, it will not improve game play or stop the horde mentality.
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Originally posted by Easyscor
Of all the changes, I believe the larger town size is primarily responsible for the game play degradation over the last year and a half. It has brought about the concentration of the average players into the horde we see in the MA. While I like the field ack, it will not improve game play or stop the horde mentality.
i remember the towns on the fields and the small towns with 3 lil auto ack in them and i dont think the new towns have anything to do with the degrading..
i dont blame the towns at all.. its the players.. if people didnt suicide dive into fully acked fields for 1 or 2 kills or suicide bomb hangers at 1000ft agl the extra acks wouldnt have been necessary..
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who let easy into the Brown acid vault
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Originally posted by TW9
i remember the towns on the fields and the small towns with 3 lil auto ack in them and i dont think the new towns have anything to do with the degrading..
Same here, was fun sneaking bases with just 1 or 2 110's and a goon :)
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I guess the history channel and my uncle lied to me! In the earlier part of the war, and even later bombers dive bombed fields, ships, and structures. The early b26's and lanc's i know for a fact liked to get above a target of opportunity and dive on it and just let go and see. Now we will be lucky to just see i quess. I'm not happy about the changes but i'm looking at it and gonna play for awhile longer and see what happens. I'm hoping that it will some how even out eventually.:confused:
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Originally posted by wrongwayric
I guess the history channel and my uncle lied to me! In the earlier part of the war, and even later bombers dive bombed fields, ships, and structures. The early b26's and lanc's i know for a fact liked to get above a target of opportunity and dive on it and just let go and see. Now we will be lucky to just see i quess. I'm not happy about the changes but i'm looking at it and gonna play for awhile longer and see what happens. I'm hoping that it will some how even out eventually.:confused:
LMAO
It's just starting to even out now.
Bronk
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the problem is people dont defend, so hitech had to make the AI AAA defend.
if people think sitting in easy killable AAA guns is defending you are WRONG.... get a group of people in the air and FIGHT.
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i like flying the spit, niki, hurri, ki and other fighters that aren't bomba killaz. When bombers come to destroy the FHs which they do alone with no fighter escort on a suicide run then me killing them is not going to happen. I can't predict when they are coming and i am not going to fly around in a bomba killa waiting for them.
It is impossible to defend a suicide dive bomber whos only mishun is to kill the FHs so they can vulch when they come up. I have seen many FIGHTS ruined by suicide bombers. This will fix that and now when organized groups of base captures try to take a base we can defend it.
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niki has quad 20s.... how is THAT not a bomber killer? HO the thing and kill the pilot
and how are people suppose to vulch if the FH are down? lol
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Originally posted by Overlag
the problem is people dont defend, so hitech had to make the AI AAA defend.
if people think sitting in easy killable AAA guns is defending you are WRONG.... get a group of people in the air and FIGHT.
OK oldmn already said this in the other thread but what did you do to overlag???:eek:
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Originally posted by Overlag
the problem is people dont defend, so hitech had to make the AI AAA defend.
if people think sitting in easy killable AAA guns is defending you are WRONG.... get a group of people in the air and FIGHT.
Overlag your premise/solution is flawed to a large extent. Most of the blitzkrieg base captures are the result of organized missions. By the time the HORDE has overflown and begun to decimate an airfield/town, it's often impossible to launch from the target field...due to the (insert numba here) vulchers pounding the runways.
Should the initial HORDE fail with their initial thrust and fizzle out, and then becomes an endless conga line...then it may be possible to retract gear without getting your AC blown to pieces. Otherwise the only alternative is to up form an adjacent base and hope for the best.
You imply that "getting a group of people in the air and FIGHT" is a viable solution. I'll give you that, if you can get enough folks up at the same time to overwhelm the HORDE. Trouble is, when the "ALERT AXX" call goes out, it's too late.
I'm all in favor of the increased number of base/town acks.
my .o2
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Originally posted by Max
Overlag your premise/solution is flawed to a large extent. Most of the blitzkrieg base captures are the result of organized missions. By the time the HORDE has overflown and begun to decimate an airfield/town, it's often impossible to launch from the target field...due to the (insert numba here) vulchers pounding the runways.
my .o2
what about the countless amount of fields less than 25miles away from the base?
sure if it was a island 100 miles away from a friendly base, it would make sence what you said max..... but 25miles isnt THAT much to fly, and get an organised counter mission to hurt them...
as soon as you see a large darbar heading to base 1..... a few should up in flaks and panzers, while the large bulk of the defence ups from a base that ISNT being attacked, and attack the people once they are swaping the base. By now, they will be low, T&B trying to take out acks, the town and the few flaks around.. a group of 5-10 planes will easy destroy there base capture efforts.
and this leads to fights.... but we wouldnt want to do that would we.... we want the AI ack to do that.
Originally posted by Max
You imply that "getting a group of people in the air and FIGHT" is a viable solution. I'll give you that, if you can get enough folks up at the same time to overwhelm the HORDE. Trouble is, when the "ALERT AXX" call goes out, it's too late.
i would say it isnt too late now.. the acks take alot longer to go down, so you should be able to do it.
if not... up a small mission to kill ack in town, and recatch it while the other side lands its vulches ;)
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Originally posted by SuperDud
OK oldmn already said this in the other thread but what did you do to overlag???:eek:
its only 2pm..... im not drunk yet ;)
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Originally posted by Overlag
as soon as you see a large darbar heading to base 1..... a few should up in flaks and panzers, while the large bulk of the defence ups from a base that ISNT being attacked, and attack the people once they are swaping the base. By now, they will be low, T&B trying to take out acks, the town and the few flaks around.. a group of 5-10 planes will easy destroy there base capture efforts.
and this leads to fights.... but we wouldnt want to do that would we.... we want the AI ack to do that.
What you suggest does work...in theory mainly. I fly Bish mainly. No disrespect intended but unless ghi has one of his base capture missions planned, it's nearly impossible to get more than 4 Bish to organize ANYTHING :D
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Originally posted by Max
What you suggest does work...in theory mainly. I fly Bish mainly. No disrespect intended but unless ghi has one of his base capture missions planned, it's nearly impossible to get more than 4 Bish to organize ANYTHING :D
its the same for most countries.... but we need to KEEP trying, people will soon get to realize the only way to succeed in attacks AND defence is TEAMWORK.
attacks always had team work.... defence never really did... hence the need for more AAA. just saying.
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I always up at semi-capped and "capped" fields. It is interesting to watch. If you manage to get up, you can generally fly to the outskirts of the base, and develop some E to gain on the planes diving on the base to vulch, and nail em from the side/tail depending on the turn they take. I only get a few, though, because invariably, very few other countrymen are doing the same, so the vulchers turn it into a game of lemmings and mouse, some auger, eventually I get shot down. If more did this, it wouldn't be so easy to capture, as you say. I'm not that good a pilot, but when vulching, saucer eyes cause funny things to happen, and uppers sometimes can help defend a base merely by upping; they neglect the town, try to vulch, some succeed, some auger, some get shot down, but the guy in the M3/C47 gets left to die. Enjoyable results, since the death is merely cartoon plane and I can up a new one, but the troops IB take ALOT longer to return, if at all. :aok
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Originally posted by volvo744
I always up at semi-capped and "capped" fields.
Volvo that doesn't surprize me. You folks from New Hampsta aint the sharpest knives in the drawer. :rofl
Hey...we should meet up at BJ's sometime for pretzel sticks and slurpies :aok
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Did I mention that the folks behind the wheel over your way are the worst drivers on the planet? :furious
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:rofl
If it was a silver turbo brick on I89, I plead the fifth. Or at the very least, it was in over drive. ;)
Too many moved here from Mass. Can't all drive on cow paths, you know.:D
Didn't know BJ's did that. Mainly, I hate West LEb. What a god awful bit of unguided traffic. We should do that, though. Are they the soft pretzels? Nothing like 'em, having grown up on those in Pa. mmmmmmm Could buy them from guys in Philly at red lights, in paper bags. Probably no one does anymore, though. All afraid someone is going to try to poison them.
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Originally posted by Max
Did I mention that the folks behind the wheel over your way are the worst drivers on the planet? :furious
try driving in and around boston, it's worse
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Originally posted by moneyguy
try driving in and around boston, it's worse
Tell me about it. If we could get every Bostonian and his/her car to Baghdad, the iinsurgents would leave within hours :D
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Originally posted by Max
Tell me about it. If we could get every Bostonian and his/her car to Baghdad, the iinsurgents would leave within hours :D
:rofl
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Volvo the only food BJ's has are those mini pizzas spinning around under a heat lamp. They prolly been there for months :rofl