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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: roach on November 18, 2006, 01:45:10 PM
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The "Perked Ordnance System (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=192234)" thread contains an entry to a faux BBS link, the 12th entry, by kamilyun. The quote "We will gradually phase out all ordinance in the MA to encourage..." is false.
Ironically, some people, including me, learned of a planned perked based ordinance system from other sources before even discovering the thread with the faux link. This is like being "on hook" when swimming in different waters from the fisherman or the original catch of the day.
In the 27th thread entry Hi Tech basically condones the hoax rather than clarifying any future intention to modify the game. However, the thread already existed, suggesting that there is a perk system, relating to ordnance, being considered or already planned for implementation. So, there was a thread, before any fishhook or bait was planted, unless Kev367th is also part of the hoax.
The concept of perk based ordnances being implemented may be a complete hoax, however, the rumor has spread like wildfire and upset many players, including veteran players, and is being wildly discussed within the game itself. It is not clear whether or not this is a complete hoax, or a hoax based on some truth.
The concept may have some basis in validity. To what degree the concept resides in fact, or fiction, I do not believe is clear to anyone other than AH2 insiders.
To the extent that the subject matter is being discussed, and the volume of people that have concerns over the subject, I believe it is doing the Aces High community harm. It would be unfortunate if customers left the game due to policy that is false, started by mere rumor, and entertaining only a handful of pranksters.
Is it wise for the game creator to condone something that may be construed as an insult to the customer? Is it wise to have any connection to something that might belittle the customer? Many people look up to the game creator and are very trusting.
What further confuses the matter and contributes to myth is that already implemented changes are being discussed within the same threads that possible faux changes are being discussed. For example, increasing the Auto-AK may be unwelcome by some, but is not a very significant change. Personally, it doesn't bother me, and I doubt anyone will leave the game over that single issue. A compounding of many issues is a different matter entirely.
Aces High 2 is a fun game with many subscribers. It would be gracious of Hi Tech to kindly dispel any myths now circulating about upcoming game modifications, and many of us would appreciate it. Please, lets end the propagation of false information now, as the joke has gone full circle, and there are people interested in knowing what actual changes are being planned.
Thank you kindly.
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Where this comes from is the post about the changes in the new version. They were explaining why they didn't change the F4u-C. They said that it was going to be scrapped all together and the cannon load out would be a perk option for another F4 (i would imagine the D). Thats all that i ever read "officially". The way I interpreted the comment was that they were eventually going to roll some of the variants into one plane name on the list, and let you pick their variant load outs with the ORD system. Some of the variants are perk planes, so on some planes it will cost you perks to load a certain weapon load out. I never even considered that they would charge perks for things like bombs and rockets. I don't think anyone official has ever said that.
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Get rid of perks,points and rank, while you are at it, allow any crate to be flown at anytime, game would be better overall, less people having siezures about their K/D ratio or some other c$$p like that
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Originally posted by culero
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:D :lol :rofl
Bronk
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I think they are gonna do something with the perks, but it's not what everybody thinks. I too bought that whole story hook line and sinker. Since then I have noticed little things Hitech has been saying. I belive Hitech is trying to prove a point about something. Only time will tell.
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Roach, unless your posting under a shades account, in your 3 month experiance , you still have a LOT to learn about these boards!!!
Most of the info bantered about here....and Im talking about 80% or more is speculation and fantasy. Untill it is added to an update to the game, count it as that, fiction. Your post while trying to get more info just adds fuel to the fire, and is no help at all, nor will you get an "official" reply that often, due to the way HTC plays everything very tight fisted.
Next had you read into, and searched for more info you may have come across a post that I think Pyro posted about rearanging the plane and perk system to make it more managable from there stand point. Instead of having 5-6 different hogs avalible they will have they an F4u, and you will choose your loadout, as well as your type. So if you choose the -C model you will be charged perks just as you are now. From what I get from the post they will just be changing the stucture so that they can do more with what they have.
They can't just do away with perks. Some planes are perked for a reason. When the F4u-C hog came out it was the only plane in the air....well pretty much :) The game is Aces High, NOT "C-Hog High" so it was perked. If ya think the Spit16 or La fill the sky now and they are NOT perked, can you imagine the numbers of C hogs there were to get it perked?
As the pictures say it, crying about it ain't going to change anything. Might as well cry about that tornado thats going to come and rip your house out of the ground. Don't worry about something that hasn't happen, just play the game, and have fun!
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I find it hilarious that some people have such a knee jerk response to something this trivial. Can we at least wait and see if we don't like whatever the proposed changes are before pissing and moaning about? Are we that afraid of something different? Seems to me that HT and Co. got us this far w/out any major disasters.
So HTC played a joke on some gullible folks, better to raise your hand say yeah you got me, have a laugh and move on. Than get oneself all worked up over it. Even when/if certain plane options are perked why don't we wait and see what's going to happen rather than get all up in a tizzy over what is probably little to nothing.
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No matter what HiTech or Pyro say, there will always be myth, rumor, speculation, doubt, and opinion. Not necessarily in any particular order.
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I wasn't part of anything.
If you read through it in one post Pyro says -
"Kidding aside, perk ordnance is what it sounds like- the ability to charge perks for specific ordnance loadouts. It means that instead of having the 1C as a separate plane, I can just make 20mm cannons a perked loadout on the 1D and save space. Beyond that, we could offer up some more exotic weapon choices without fear of them overrunning the arenas or having to add separate planes to do them. 57mm on your Mossie, Tiny Tims on your Corsair, whatever. We're not going to do nukes so forget about that. I don't know when this will be done so don't ask."
Notice different/specific ord loadouts, exotic loadouts, but without adding NEW models.
No mention in the serious one of perking standard loadouts.
Sort of thing I'd expect -
Std (Free)............................. .......Perk
Mossie 4x20 etc.......................... 57mm cannon
Spits........................ ...................4x20mm cannon
F4UD......................... ..................C model with 4x20mm
Dare I say
2 cannon La7 free.......................3 canonns perked :)
PonyD with 50s.......................... .20mm perked
Spit LFIX .303s........................ ....XVI 50cals
Think of it like the old Spit 9 were we had the option of .303s or 50cals.
Only in this case the 50cals may have been perked.
Saves on models and resources.
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Kev,
I really don't appreciate you inserting rational information into a crowd of hyperventilating hysterical conspiracy theorists.
Next thing you know, someone will say that HT, Pyro, and friends have as much right to crack a joke as anyone else...especially since they almost immediately made it clear that it WAS a joke.
Please think ahead --
If we continue to insert perceptive intelligence, emotional stability, and overall maturity how can we expect to have any entertainment value remain?
Let's all work together, inject some antagonism and anger, and be sure to keep those fires of panic well stoked!
:aok
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Originally posted by Simaril
Kev,
I really don't appreciate you inserting rational information into a crowd of hyperventilating hysterical conspiracy theorists.
Next thing you know, someone will say that HT, Pyro, and friends have as much right to crack a joke as anyone else...especially since they almost immediately made it clear that it WAS a joke.
Please think ahead --
If we continue to insert perceptive intelligence, emotional stability, and overall maturity how can we expect to have any entertainment value remain?
Let's all work together, inject some antagonism and anger, and be sure to keep those fires of panic well stoked!
:aok
:aok
hap
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Roach, unless your posting under a shades account, in your 3 month experiance , you still have a LOT to learn about these boards!!!
Most of the info bantered about here....
Perhaps there is a great deal of bantering, and false information generated by the Aces High forum, however, in this case the rumor spilled over into the game community and generated a great deal of discussion outside of the BBS, and by individuals that do not even use the BBS. The information first came to me by a source outside the BBS, and I then came here seeking answers.
There's nothing new and unique about this forum, it is simply less regulated and more nonsense is tolerated here than in other more reliable user forums. There's not even anything unique about the arrogance of many forum regulars, just that they are also tolerated by the moderators. How much is tolerated by the individual seems to be based on that individual's favor with those who moderate the forum.
Either way, there will always be people seeking valid information and help on the forums here - and they deserve respect and accurate information. Within all of the noise, there are tidbits of useful facts here also. However, it is unfortunate that we shall all have to second guess everything constantly concerned about the posters motivation and validity of the information.
To those making an honest effort to provide accurate information, I am grateful. Your help is always appreciated.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
No matter what HiTech or Pyro say, there will always be myth, rumor, speculation, doubt, and opinion. Not necessarily in any particular order.
I agree, for this is the nature of the beast!
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Originally posted by roach
There's nothing new and unique about this forum, it is simply less regulated and more nonsense is tolerated here than in other more reliable user forums.
Please go tell them this in the O Club.
Bet they get a big laugh out of it.
Bronk
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:rofl
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Luckily, no matter the issue, a bigger horde is the answer.
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Can I perk a Panzer and upgrade it to a Panther?
Tiger into JagdTiger
Jeep into Sdkfz 251/1
Ostwind into wirbelwind
T-34 into Su-152
Jeep into Opel
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Originally posted by Kev367th
PonyD with 50s.......................... .20mm perked
Not familiar with a 20mm armed 51D. Were you talking about the F4U-1D Kev?
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Originally posted by Simaril
Kev,
I really don't appreciate you inserting rational information into a crowd of hyperventilating hysterical conspiracy theorists.
Next thing you know, someone will say that HT, Pyro, and friends have as much right to crack a joke as anyone else...especially since they almost immediately made it clear that it WAS a joke.
Please think ahead --
If we continue to insert perceptive intelligence, emotional stability, and overall maturity how can we expect to have any entertainment value remain?
Let's all work together, inject some antagonism and anger, and be sure to keep those fires of panic well stoked!
:aok
Im sure this is against one of the BBS rules, you know, the one about "inciting"?
:aok :p
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I prefer to think of it as satirical commentary!
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I never even considered that they would charge perks for things like bombs and rockets.
Don't forget about fuel also :cry
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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I will pay extra perks for a co-pilot named "Baaaashful Betty"
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Originally posted by Slash27
Not familiar with a 20mm armed 51D. Were you talking about the F4U-1D Kev?
There isn't a P-51D with cannons. However, there is a P-51A with cannons and an Allison engine. THAT is a P-51 I'd like to see.
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There isn't a P-51D with cannons. However, there is a P-51A with cannons and an Allison engine. THAT is a P-51 I'd like to see.
Capt. Hilts, are you talking about the A-36? It had two .50's under the nose, and 4 in the wings, but cannon?
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Capt. Hilts, are you talking about the A-36? It had two .50's under the nose, and 4 in the wings, but cannon?
He's talking about the P-51 (no letter designator). These were part of 150 Mustang Mk.I fighters manufactured for Britain, but 53 were retained by the AAF. Two were used as the airframes for the two XP-51B aircraft. They were armed with four 20mm Hispano cannons.
My regards,
Widewing
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My mistake on the letter designator.
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Originally posted by Widewing
He's talking about the P-51 (no letter designator). These were part of 150 Mustang Mk.I fighters manufactured for Britain, but 53 were retained by the AAF. Two were used as the airframes for the two XP-51B aircraft. They were armed with four 20mm Hispano cannons.
My regards,
Widewing
I knew of that Mustang, thought I had missed something. TY WW.
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Ditto I got the designator mixed up also for the 20mm Pony.
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Be a nice chance to have the XVI with a .303 option, then it becomes a early 1943 LF IX.
Wonder what excuse AvA will have to exclude it from 1943 scenarios lol.
4x20mm Mk V sounds good, but only on a Vc as an option, don't think people would pay perks for a 4 cannon Vb.
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British skinned P51 A?
not sure on the letter but yea 4 x 20mm cannons on my little pony would be just great.
*drools
Bruv
~S~
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My sister's husband's mother's sister's son-in-law's uncle's father's brother's nephew told him that he heard from HT's mother's best friend's son that Combat Tour will be out in 2 weeks.
It's got to be true ... right ? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Wonder what excuse AvA will have to exclude it from 1943 scenarios lol.
Its not so much an excuse as it is a game. We all place bets on how long it will take you to post after we list the set up.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Its not so much an excuse as it is a game. We all place bets on how long it will take you to post after we list the set up.
He surprised me on this one, though, he's complaining months before it even happens.
- oldman
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the fish just keep jumping onto the boat even when the lines are in.
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so roach... you do only have three months here?
Congrats on knowing so many people allready that you know how much such a rumor affected them...
Is there some sort of newbie bar where you all hang out and exchange rumors?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Wasn't the RAF P-51 named the Apache? (And wasn't there an old comic book about a Native American pilot, Johnny Cloud, that flew one?)
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Originally posted by dhaus
Wasn't the RAF P-51 named the Apache? (And wasn't there an old comic book about a Native American pilot, Johnny Cloud, that flew one?)
The A-36 was the Apache, it was the RAF that gave the name Mustang to the P-51.
In RAF service it was Mustang I, II III not P-51B P-51D etc.
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Roach:
Many people look up to the game creator and are very trusting
If this was the case, then we would never have done the troll. We made a simple statement in the read me about the f4u1c. Kev instantly took it as the sky is falling in his first post about it. Obviously he wasn't very trusting. To play into that, we posted a totally over the top post about what the perk ord was going to be. And yes we were trying to bait the non trusting ones. Because the trusting ones read it, and knew instantly that it was a troll.
Because no mater what we post as to why, how or what. Lots of people will just believe what they wish to believe. In fact you are playing right into that stereo type.
And btw we posted what it really was not that long after the troll.
Lets take a few instance lately.
1. On the new arena system we get condemned for not announcing it until we actually released it.
2. Now on something that we view as not really changing anything other than how something is structured, the out come would be exactly the same., I.E. perk ord. system.
We get a lot of people who think the sky is falling again, long before we even release it. People who wish to believe we are against them, go over the edge like you did on an issue.
And as to the myth busting, there are myths around that I have been posting on for years and years, guess what they are still here, look at humbles thread about collisions.
Some people still think you get perks if you switch sides just before a reset.
Some people think that buff guns are different than other guns.
Some people think that buff guns all converge magically tracking a plane.
Some people think, like you, that we are against base capture.
And then the biggest myth of all, that we do not listen to our customers.
I would bet if I tried hard, I could find at least 500 changes that were a direct result of a request by a customer. People tend to think, just because we disagree with there suggestion, we do not listen. Nothing could be further from the truth. But for you it is just a game. For me it is really my life long work. Who do you think has more at stake when judging what should and should not be implemented.
However, other planned changes which have yet to be implemented, but are planned, do concern me a great deal. I would caution Hi Tech to speak to his paying customer base, and not simply go on the opinions expressed here in a very biased forum community.
Some people think we are swayed by the vocal minority.
All off these are just complete fiction.
Well guess what roach, while I do try to keep the myths at bay, the posting of the troll in this case, with the follow up, does more good keeping the myths at bay, then a straight forward response would have.
I could go on and on and on and on about the myths that are not even close to the way things are. But guess what ,the myths will always remain, almost as if I never said anything about them.
HiTech
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isnt trolling breaking your own rules that you set?
just a thought :) ;)
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do as I say, not as I do....geesh...thought everyone knew that.
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Originally posted by BansheCH
I belive Hitech is trying to prove a point about something. Only time will tell.
Told ya.
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Anyone at HTC HQ like to elaborate or clarify, pretty please.
althought, there is Kev's original post....
Kev instantly took it as the sky is falling in his first post about it.
maybe I missed something? that sure looks like a question....or is there something b/n the lines.....hmmmm
:noid
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Originally posted by Overlag
your own rules
;)
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Kev's first post
"Perk Ordnance system"?
The mind boggles.
a) You pay for 1000lb'ers, you get perks back if you hit something?
b) You pay for 1000lb'ers you get nothing back even if you do hit something?
c) You pay for 1000lb'ers, you get part back for part damage?
Sounds like another kludge is in the offing.
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way to go ohio state #1 yea baby!!!!!!!:aok
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Originally posted by culero
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That is mint! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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isnt trolling breaking your own rules that you set?
Officers can break rules to enforce the law .
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:noid
Now back to the "perk fuel issue"
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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sorry HT, seems I was looking at a different post than you.:o
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If you've got no sense of humor, this forum can be a very dangerous place.
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Ostwind into wirbelwind
Oh yeah baby! no more spending perks on tigers...give me this baby and vultching will become a rare thing indeed . :lol
LTARcnuk