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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: devil956 on November 20, 2006, 08:38:42 PM
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(http://http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/Norwegian/p40tank.jpg)
jus a kool tank
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picture didn't post.
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i think the italians wished for a decent tank too........ :o
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here is a link to the photo (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/Norwegian/p40tank.jpg)
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I didn't know they had a cool tank. ???
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Originally posted by Ghosth
I didn't know they had a cool tank. ???
They had a picture of a cool tank. :p
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italian tanks = cannon fodder in the biggest way.
so i dont want them
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Though the first tank on comparable terms with Allied tanks - the P26/40 was still not a very good tank due to engine and reliability problems. Of the 1,500 ordered - only a handful were completed as operational tanks. Most of the tanks built ended up being used as pillboxes.
(http://earth.endless.ne.jp/users/mac0115/p2640.JPG)
CARRO ARMATO PESANTE P26/40
Although designed in 1940 the first prototype was not completed until 1942. The initial plan was for a 25 ton tank with a 75 mm gun and hence named P75. The development work procedeed quickly except for the engine; the Italian military staff, the Stato Maggiore, wanted a diesel engine, while the builders favoured a petrol engine. However, in Italy at the time there were no new engines available, diesel or petrol, capable of delivering the necessary 300 hp required, and the Italian tank industry (i.e. the duopoly Fiat-Ansaldo) didn't think to use easily available old aircraft engines for its tanks as the contemporary U.S., British and Russian tank manufacturers had done. The design of a new engine was very slow and in the end a 420 hp petrol engine was eventually tested. The main weapon selected was a 75/34 cannon (in lieu of the shorter barrelled original 75/18 gun). The tank's armor was sloped and 60 mm thick at the front. The P40 was the first Italian tank design that was comparable to Allied medium tanks.
Of the 1,200 tanks ordered, only five pre-production models were completed before the Italian surrender in September 1943 when they were taken over by the German troops. About a hundred P40 tanks were built by Ansaldo from then until the end of the war although most were not entirely completed because of a lack of engines. A few were used in combat, under the German designation of Panzerkampfwagen P40 737(i), for example at Anzio. Some, without engines, were used as static strongholds.
Country : Italy
Role : Heavy Tank
Production Date : April 1943
Manufacturer : Fiat
Number Produced : 105
Crew : 4
Radio : RF.2CA
MECHANICS:
Road Speed : 42 Kilometers per Hour
Rough Speed : 15 Kilometers per Hour
Road Range: 275 Kilometers
Off-Road Range: Unknown Kilometers
Engine Name: Fiat SPA
Coolant : Water
Cylinders: V-12
Capacity: 25 Liters
Power : 330 hp @ 2100 rpm
Power / Weight Ratio : 21.29 hp per tonne
Transmission : Unknown
Gears : 5 Forward / 1 Reverse
Suspenion : Semi-Elliptic Leaf Spring
Fuel Type : Diesel
Fuel Capacity: 227 Liters
Road Consumption: 0.83 Liters per Kilometer
Off-Road Consumption: Unknown Liters per Kilometer
SPECS:
Length : 5.8 meters
Height : 2.5 meters
Width : 2.8 meters
Weight : 15500 kilograms
Ground Clearance : 41 centimeters
Ground Pressure : Unknown kg/cm²
Track Links : Unknown per track
Track Width : Unknown centimeters
Track Ground Contact : Unknown centimeters
Gradiant : 45°
Vertical Obsticle : 0.8 meters
Fording Depth : 1 meters
Trench Crossing : 2.1 meters
Turning Radius : Unknown meters
ARMAMENT:
Main Gun : 75mm Breda 75/34 M39 L / 34
Gunsight : Unknown
Traverse : 360° (Electric)
Elevation : +23° / -10°
Main Gun Ammo : 63
Secondary Weapons : 1x 8mm Breda M38 (Coaxial - 576 rounds)
1x 8mm Breda M38 (AA - 576 rounds each)
ARMOR:
Hull Front (Upper) : 50mm @ 45°
Hull Front (Lower) : 50mm @ 35°
Hull Sides (Upper) : 45mm @ 55°
Hull Sides (Lower) : 40mm @ 90°
Hull Rear : 40mm @ 80°
Hull Top : 20mm @ 7°& 0°
Hull Bottom : 15mm @ 0°
Turret Front : 60mm @ 75°
Turret Mantlet : 60mm @ Round
Turret Sides : 45mm @ 65°
Turret Rear : 40mm @ 65°
Turret Top : 20mm @ 8° & 0°
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Originally posted by Overlag
i think the italians wished for a decent tank too........ :o
Dang, beat me to it.
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Just looking at the picture, that is definitely NOT a decent tank.
The exposed rivets make the thing a death trap. When a round hits, they
have a really bad tendency to "spall" into the crew compartment.
The US had the same problem with the M3 Lee medium..not sure about
the Brit tanks with rivets, but I imagine physics are physics.
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a descent Italian Tank? Thats about as rare as a brave Frenchman isnt it? LOL
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I hear they had some real nice and speedy reverse gears LOL
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Originally posted by Overlag
i think the italians wished for a decent tank too........ :o
Apparently so because they used sandbags for extra protection... its kinda sad when u fear ground troops in a tank...
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Originally posted by wt666
a descent Italian Tank? Thats about as rare as a brave Frenchman isnt it? LOL
yep, or an Irishman whose never drank lol
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Originally posted by Laurie
I hear they had some real nice and speedy reverse gears LOL
they had to be very roomy inside so they could put their hands up.
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ok really really funny stuff here
how bout them racial stereotypes
lol
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would like to see a British Churchill one first.
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by Bruv119
would like to see a British Churchill one first.
Bruv
~S~
have plastic airfix model of it sitting on top of my pc. sweet thing, real good torque for hill climbing, not enough brit gv's :) seeing as britaian invented the tank :)
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very true...
and nickf620, in not racist... i hate everyone equally :D
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Originally posted by Laurie
have plastic airfix model of it sitting on top of my pc. sweet thing, real good torque for hill climbing, not enough brit gv's :) seeing as britaian invented the tank :)
But it took an American to fix it and make it better :cool:
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Originally posted by nickf620
ok really really funny stuff here
how bout them racial stereotypes
lol
Not racial stereotypes - national stereotypes.
Too often, there is a grain of truth in them - like "Decent Italian Tank" being an oxymoron . . .
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Italian Tanks are getting better..............
ARIETE MBT
(http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ariete/images/ariete5.jpg)
LINK: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ariete/index.html#ariete6
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Did this have 6 reverse gears like the French Tank?;)
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gna gna gna, suckers
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the 1st tank from the begining of the post looks like A T-34
the one up there looks like a M1A1
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Originally posted by Airscrew
But it took an American to fix it and make it better :cool:
But aren't Americans descendants of every other nationality of the world?
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Originally posted by Nemeth
But aren't Americans descendants of every other nationality of the world?
ooo hehehe,
i wont let my british patriotism flow into that one,
and i hope for the day when we get a frecnh or italian player calling on 200, 'how do i reverse my tank' :rofl
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aAnd straffo, rember a little squabble called the nepolaenic wars?... even your mighty leader ran off drunk at the end :huh
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Originally posted by *UH*
the one up there looks like a M1A1
Thought it looked more like a German Leopard with a new turret personally. Running gear, tracks and hull are very similar.
(http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/images/leopard2tank-14.jpg)
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Originally posted by Laurie
ooo hehehe,
i wont let my british patriotism flow into that one
Good idea :-p
I just wanted to make a point, just hope ppl don't start arguing w/ me on this 1 or I'll prob be banned from the forums...
Oh btw what tank was based on the Churchill?
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Originally posted by *UH*
the one up there looks like a M1A1
Which in turn looks like a Challenger and Leopard 2. All current western MBT's look remarkably similar.
Seeing as how we're getting all jingoistic here, I should point out that the M1A1 uses armour (note the 'u') developed by Britain and a German designed gun.
All the Yanks really developed was a big thirsty gas-turbine engine - which makes sense as we all know big thirsty engines is all they're good at.
:aok :D ;)
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Originally posted by wooley
All the Yanks really developed was a big thirsty gas-turbine engine - which makes sense as we all know big thirsty engines is all they're good at.
:aok :D ;)
Just ask the Iraqi Republican Guard Tank Units. :aok
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Originally posted by Nemeth
But aren't Americans descendants of every other nationality of the world?
My parents were both born here in the US, as were their parents, and
their parents as well...so I guess no. :D
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Originally posted by wooley
Which in turn looks like a Challenger and Leopard 2. All current western MBT's look remarkably similar.
Seeing as how we're getting all jingoistic here, I should point out that the M1A1 uses armour (note the 'u') developed by Britain and a German designed gun.
All the Yanks really developed was a big thirsty gas-turbine engine - which makes sense as we all know big thirsty engines is all they're good at.
Hummer - 20 Highway Km/100L (just an example of a big thirsty engine, just enough gas to reach each gas station along the way to where ur going LOL)
What havn't the Americans "borrowed"? :huh
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Hold on, fellas, wanna give my .2C on the original subject before the thread gets too hijacked.
60mm armour, modeled correctly in AH, would only stop maybe the 37mm and T-34's short 76mm rounds. And it would be iffy on the 76. On the other hand, The italian gun would be probably a little weaker, if not the same, as the T-34's. The HP/ton isn't on par with the T-34, this thing would be somewhere between the Pz. IV, and the Tiger. In short, It would be in danger of becoming a hangar queen. If any italian tanks were modeled, though, this would probably be the best foot forward.
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Originally posted by Laurie
aAnd straffo, rember a little squabble called the nepolaenic wars?... even your mighty leader ran off drunk at the end :huh
go suck an egg.