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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: captkaos on November 21, 2006, 06:14:59 PM
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I just noticed that the Spit IX and C.205 are now ranked the same for ENY and OBJ, how can that be? The C.205 is a good plane, but it is not equal to a Spit IX.
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I've out turned spits with the C205. It can easily compeat with the IX. C205 is fast and has a good climb. So does the IX, which is why there ranked the same.
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The ENY seems a bit out of whack lately...
190A8 = something like 30-35ish
but the UBER L33T 190F8 has an ENY of 21??
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Originally posted by zorstorer
The ENY seems a bit out of whack lately...
190A8 = something like 30-35ish
but the UBER L33T 190F8 has an ENY of 21??
Ive said it before, Ill say it again. Hurricane IIC in late war = ENY 10. Even the 109K4 has a higher ENY then that! Something is wrong...
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Originally posted by VooWho
I've out turned spits with the C205. It can easily compeat with the IX.
Heh heh heh.
The alternative view is that the two aren't even close.
- oldman (and I think that probably includes the Spit I)
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ENY is a combined rating and its very generalised, dont take it too seriously.
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Originally posted by VooWho
I've out turned spits with the C205. It can easily compeat with the IX. C205 is fast and has a good climb. So does the IX, which is why there ranked the same.
While in RL that was a good possibility AFAIK, in AH,,,,,no.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Ive said it before, Ill say it again. Hurricane IIC in late war = ENY 10. Even the 109K4 has a higher ENY then that! Something is wrong...
Reynolds that ALMOST makes sense. At least the HOicane gets plenty of kills and has 4 uber cannon....
show me where the 190F8 has a easier time of shooting down another plane (other than a rocket vulch) than the 190A8.
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Originally posted by Angus
While in RL that was a good possibility AFAIK, in AH,,,,,no.
Will I do play H2H with a lot of noobs. But I have.
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Reynolds that ALMOST makes sense. At least the HOicane gets plenty of kills and has 4 uber cannon....
show me where the 190F8 has a easier time of shooting down another plane (other than a rocket vulch) than the 190A8.
Im not saying its harder than the A8, but it DEFINATELY deserves an ENY of at LEAST 20 in my oppinion, because it is slow as hell, and having cannon only works if you can get close eough to your enemy to hit them. K4 is one of the fastest planes in the game (Or so many people say) and it's ENY is still 20 even though it too has an uber 30mm cannon.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Im not saying its harder than the A8, but it DEFINATELY deserves an ENY of at LEAST 20 in my oppinion, because it is slow as hell, and having cannon only works if you can get close eough to your enemy to hit them. K4 is one of the fastest planes in the game (Or so many people say) and it's ENY is still 20 even though it too has an uber 30mm cannon.
109K4..........5258 kills.....3671 deaths...1.43 K/D
Hurri Mk2C...15043 kills...9429 deaths...1.59 K/D
Thats one reason other than just raw ability of the plane
190F8...1158 kills....1692 deaths... .68 K/D
190A8...6337 kills....5638 deaths...1.12 K/D
So why on earth would a 190 with up to 2x more fire power with a better than 1:1 K/D have a higher ENY than a plane with far fewer kills and less than a 1:1 K/D?
Not sure what other factors go into the ENY, but at least for the 190F8/190A8 it does not make sense.
Just a quick check of the...
La7........20756 kills...17326 deaths....1.19 K/D
Spit 16...23532 kills...20759 deaths....1.13 K/D
N1K2......26255 kills...20541 deaths....1.28 K/D
Maybe HT uses a Voodoo witch doctor do come up with ENY? ;)
Also why does the Hurri Mk2C have a better K/D than the 109K4 if speed is so important? More vulches? Better HO percentage? Find them in a hoard? Base defence?
Some food for thought if you don't get enough turducken :D
***edit***
These are for the current tour (82) as of turkey day.
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Its the way we fly em......................
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The HO and the Vulch. I have really never seen nor heard of a 109K4 vulching a base, but the Hurricane is always there with what you call "low altitude field suppresion". Also, the nickname HOricane is there for a reason. Its infamous for that. As far as aricraft capabilities though, the ENY of the Hurricane should be much higher than the 109K4.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
The HO and the Vulch. I have really never seen nor heard of a 109K4 vulching a base, but the Hurricane is always there with what you call "low altitude field suppresion". Also, the nickname HOricane is there for a reason. Its infamous for that. As far as aricraft capabilities though, the ENY of the Hurricane should be much higher than the 109K4.
BUT based on the numbers it would follow that the Hurri Mk2C would have a lower ENY than the 109K4.
It has a better K/D and almost 3x the total amount of kills than the 109K4.
But try ot figure out the 190 problem then :D
Plus try to find some numbers to support your claim, otherwise it's just peeing into the wind.
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ya really out turning spits in c205 is not a hard thing to do
1.empty all wing fuel
2. throtle control
3.flaps
after that ur prob. on his six or u have been cherry picked by his other spit freinds:rofl
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Plus try to find some numbers to support your claim, otherwise it's just peeing into the wind.
Have you ever been HOed by or seen someone be HOed by a 109 K4?
Have you ever been vulched by or seen someone vluched by a 109K4?
Have you ever been HOed by or seen someone HOed by a Hurricane?
Have you ever been vulched by or seen someone vulched by a Hurricane?
How many times has your aircraft been outperformed by a 109K4?
How many times has your aircraft been outperformed by a Hurricane?
Answer those, and see if your experience agrees.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Have you ever been HOed by or seen someone be HOed by a 109 K4?
Have you ever been vulched by or seen someone vluched by a 109K4?
Have you ever been HOed by or seen someone HOed by a Hurricane?
Have you ever been vulched by or seen someone vulched by a Hurricane?
How many times has your aircraft been outperformed by a 109K4?
How many times has your aircraft been outperformed by a Hurricane?
Answer those, and see if your experience agrees.
Yep, though he missed.
Nope, I dont up a capped field.
Yep, though he missed.
Nope, I dont up a capped field.
Nope, see above.
Always.
Sometimes.
Seriosly though, based on the numbers the Hurri should easily have a equal or lower ENY than the 109K4. How can you truely base what you think the ENY should be just based on one persons in game observations?
So it still comes back to the numbers....have any?
Research them, maybe you will find something interesting to support your claim. Try compairing Hurri deaths vs kills using the other low eny aircraft. Something might come up that will support you.
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Originally posted by zorstorer
How can you truely base what you think the ENY should be just based on one persons in game observations?
It shouldnt be based on one person's observations, it should be based on the plane's capabilities. Such as aircraft speed, turn rate, and weapons. Different people will fly the aircraft diffferent ways, such as not HOing and not vulching and that will result in radically different kill numbers, and as such its sensible to score a plane not on the way its flown and the direct results of that, but the capabilities of the aircraft itself. That however is just my oppinion.
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Pretty much agree there.
But yet...it's complicated to value different aspects of performance to absoluteness so there will always be some debate over the ENY. I guess that's why the HTC crew edit this the way they do - but again, it's a free thing for us forum folks to point things out.
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Yup, but if you by a kill rating, I can just some tard vulch-ramming a mission of La7s on the runway. That could easily be a 6:1 kill ration for that sortie! lol
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due to the new ack model, deacking is more hard, and so as well is thereby...vulching.
But I saw the point.
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The C.205 is a great alternitave for those of us who refuse to fly the dwe...., um, spitfires.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
The C.205 is a great alternitave for those of us who refuse to fly the dwe...., um, spitfires.
Its more a 109 than a spit, the engine is a proof of that.
Good spit alternative would be the Ki's
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A spit eats a C2, given equal pilots. Especially a spit16 (by far the most common spit in the late arenas). Depending on merge, E-states, and so forth, it can best the spit9 on relatively even footing, but the 9 is one of the slowest spits, with the very weak 1942 engine (and the C202/205 is a 1941/1943 plane, if I recall), but the Spit8 has a WAY more powerful engine, WAY better turning and stall-speed handling, and the 16 even more so.
There's no reason the C205 should have an ENY of 5. Unless you're counting raw ammo load. In which case the N1K2 and F4U-1C should have an ENY of 1, the 110G-2 should have an ENY of 0.25. So the ENY is a little off-kilter to my eyes.
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Spit IX is optimized for high altitude. Now where's that performance comparison link again. Anyway Second turbo knocks in at 20K.
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Ahh, found it.
Spit IX is slower at low alt, faster at high alt.
Spit IX climbs better through the frame more or less, the gap increasing with increased alt.
Spitfire IX outturns the 205 with a good margin.
205 has quicker acceleration, markedly at higher speeds.