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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: straffo on November 22, 2006, 02:50:46 PM
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hahem ?
Doesn't sound logical.
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Originally posted by straffo
hahem ?
Doesn't sound logical.
It is almost -
Tiffy - Dominates the MW planeset
VIII - Great all-rounder, it's the relatively ignored gem of the Spits.
Mossie - No need to perk, none of its performance warrants it.
P51B - Hmm, think it should carry a small perk.
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If I can land 6 kill in a P51B it should be perked.
P51B was in the old arena and still is a pretty decent plane better than the D except in for the gun package.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
It is almost -
Tiffy - Dominates the MW planeset
VIII - Great all-rounder, it's the relatively ignored gem of the Spits.
Mossie - No need to perk, none of its performance warrants it.
P51B - Hmm, think it should carry a small perk.
VIII- awesome plane. perked midwar? :mad:
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Originally posted by straffo
P51B was in the old arena and still is a pretty decent plane better than the D except in for the gun package.
Nah the B is slower under about 13k and has a lesser climb rate under 10 than the D. Where most fights happen (under 10k), the D is better than the B in everything except sustained turn rate - which the diff is pretty small.
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Originally posted by Spatula
Nah the B is slower under about 13k
Actually, the B is a bit faster than the D down low...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Actually, the B is a bit faster than the D down low...
Zazen
Nah it aint:
(http://www.my2cents.co.nz/AcesHigh/mustangs.gif)
and
http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=p51d&p2=p51b
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Actually, the B is a bit faster than the D down low...
Zazen
The P-51B is slower than the P-51D below 13,000 feet. The P-51D climbs better than the B below 10,000 feet.
Tossing in the F4U-1A, F4U-4 and Tempest for comparison.. (Edit: all speed numbers taken from actual testing with 25% fuel, zero burn)
Speed at sea level...
P-51B: 358 mph
P-51D: 366 mph
F4U-1A: 366 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph
Tempest: 388 mph
Speed at 16,000 feet...
P-51B: 424 mph
P-51D: 408 mph
F4U-1A: 411 mph
F4U-4: 425 mph (F4U-4 reaches 430 mph at 17,000 feet)
Tempest: 425 mph (Tempest reaches best speed of 433 mph at 17,000 feet)
At 20,000 feet...
P-51B: 421 mph (P-51B reaches best speed of 443 mph at 27,500 feet)
P-51D: 425 mph (P-51D reaches best speed of 441 mph at 25,000 feet)
F4U-1A: 419 mph (Best speed at best altitude)
F4U-4: 440 mph (F4U-4 reaches best speed of 446 mph at 25,000 feet)
Tempest: 425 mph
My regards,
Widewing
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I think the rational for un-perking the B has to do with its fighter ability. While it does have an insane top speed for the area has little to do with it's capability as a fighter.
Sure, it's nice to boom and zoom, but the La-5 eats it for lunch, so does any MW Spitfire. It accelerates like a city bus, has a gun package equivalent to the F4F, and has the turn radius of a MAC truck. The Bf-109F4 can turn loops inside it, and the La-5 can out accelerate it, out climb it to 20k, and out guns it.
And we wonder why Hitech unperked it?
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I think the most logical explanation is from the ENY numbers. The La5, P51B, F4U-1, BF110c, P47D11, etc. all had similar ENY values around 35-40 (once upon a time in the old MA). The spit8 and Typhoon both had similar values that were about ENY 10. In the MW arena, the ENY values were lowered for the former plane set and the latter were slightly perked.
Ta Da.
Regards,
Malta
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Why would you perk the Mossie? It is hobbled by the flame dampers as it is.
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Spit 8 is perked since there are plenty of spits - good spits, to play with free and so there's something for the spit drivers to spend their perks on.
Typh is perked otherwise it would be the ultimate dweeb ride in this areana. Nothing can catch it and it carries 2*2000, which is a lot in the MW. The only other fighters capable of that are the P38 and the F6F-5 (since we don't have the -3) and they are much easier to intercept.
P51B is free because it's the only P51 here. It would drive away a big crowd if they had not planes from their line for free, especially the popular 51s. It carries moderate bomb load and have weak guns, although it is an excellent platform. It does not vastly out perform plans like the F4U, La5 (if at all).
Mossie is free because it has nothing special to offer. It is pretty fast for the setup but most fighters can catch it. It carries a respectable bombload, but not a lot better than the average jabo. It handles horribly and lights up like it's soaked in kerosin.
The low cost of the Typh and spit8 give some use to the perks. I'd gladly pay a fistfull of perks for a P47D-23 or some other late razorback... pretty please :D
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Originally posted by Widewing
The P-51B is slower than the P-51D below 13,000 feet. The P-51D climbs better than the B below 10,000 feet.
Hmm, I stand corrected then, I guess my subjective experience was an illusion or happenstance. Widewing, what do you have for the Typhoon under those same parameters?
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Hmm, I stand corrected then, I guess my subjective experience was an illusion or happenstance. Widewing, what do you have for the Typhoon under those same parameters?
Zazen
For the typhoon, we have the stats below:
Typhoon- main ride of cherry pickers like Zazen at any altitude!
hee hee :aok
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Spit 8 is perked since there are plenty of spits - good spits, to play with free and so there's something for the spit drivers to spend their perks on.
Spit8 is perked because it is good allover. Its main feat is yo be faster than a spit9 and conserves E better. Its a pretty fearfull boom and zoomer and can escape/kill the faster planes in MW with tight turns. It has extanded internal fuel compared to a spit9 and is very suitable for high cap. I wont make a complete plane description as Kev is way better at that, but IMO its the best MW fighter.
AND BTW I'm a sissyfire noob vulcher ramer HOer and the rest :D Proud of it
Our mossie can't be a perk plane seriously, its mainly a ground attack plane to me, even if you can still make good boom and zoom in it, but 1 ack hit will most of the time put your plane in fire, or wound/kill your pilot. I use it for gv hunting personnally, its perfect to divebomb flaks and has a good climb speed when heavy. But a good pilot in a single engine plane (or P38) will kill you.
P-51B is a great ride (fast, stable, good rolls, lots of flaps levels), but spit8 food (muahaha), you can't perk a gun package that low. Nobody would fly it anymore. Straffo You got X kills with it because you are good (yes he's a squaddie), and your main ride is yak9u, wich has even fewer ammo and firepower. No wonder you can get lots of kills in a 51B.
The typhie really dominates I think, guns, speed, loadout, turns like a brick on first approach but with some training you can do surprising things in it (ask Coach).
See you guys on MW this week end
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Most fail to realise -
Spit XVI - Add normal tips, replace 50cals with .303s, add retractible tailwheel and wing tanks - You have Mk VIII.
Most important bit, the motor is the same, albeit the XVI has a U.S. built Merlin 266, VIII is a U.K. built Merlin 66.
The '2' at the front de-notes a foreign/import built Merlin.
There should be (isn't) a difference of 1000ft between the full throttle height of the Merlin 266/66 so assuming the Merlin 266 was modelled using the Merlin 66 data.
So the XVI is actually an LF IXe.
If you check the performance between the XVI and the VIII there is very little to choose between them (apart from the XVI's roll, but an VIII with clipped wings would roll almost just as well).
As for perked?
Well the RAF planeset has managed to become the most perked of the major 3 planesets (prop driven), and manages it with the poorest LW presence of the major 3. -
LW - Spit 14, Tempest
MW - Typhoon, Spit VIII
EW - Spit 9 , Lancaster
Not bad, 50% of the RAF planeset between all 3 arenas, don't think any of the other major 2 players comes close.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
I think the rational for un-perking the B has to do with its fighter ability. While it does have an insane top speed for the area has little to do with it's capability as a fighter.
Sure, it's nice to boom and zoom, but the La-5 eats it for lunch, so does any MW Spitfire. It accelerates like a city bus, has a gun package equivalent to the F4F, and has the turn radius of a MAC truck. The Bf-109F4 can turn loops inside it, and the La-5 can out accelerate it, out climb it to 20k, and out guns it.
And we wonder why Hitech unperked it?
The B is a wicked turner if you work the flaps & throttle.
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x0847Marine - True.
It does have a decent turn rate when using flaps and throttle, but most MW fighters can turn inside it. Even the Mosquito can turn inside a P-51B on the deck. Heck, the Mosquito can turn inside the Ki-61 AND the Tiffie using full flaps.
Then again, as Chuck said in CYAC, "remember, it's the man, not the machine" that can determine the outcome of any dogfight. Having a sharper and longer blade doesn't mean you'll win in a hand-to-hand knife fight, it just means you have a sharper/longer blade. A lot of us forget that.