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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Phaser11 on November 23, 2006, 08:31:31 AM
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What war would you be willing to fight in?
Since the Iraq war started there has been all sorts of talk on if it is right or not. Then last night I saw Hard Ball on MSNBC and there was this guy asking if not the Iraq war, which war would you be willing to fight in?
I’m not saying this war is right or wrong, I don’t want to get into that, just what war would you be willing to fight in. Wars are going to happen. The human race is not smart enough to “not” have wars.
What would it take genocide? Religion? An enemy landing on your countries shores? A people repressed? What? Wars have been fought for all these reasons, which is yours.
There has been a lot of talk about a Draft also. Would a draft work? I used to think it was a bad idea, but now I don’t know. In the United States under the equal rights amendment, women would be drafted also. That means all 3 of my children are eligible. If there was a draft would you be more interested on who was elected into office? Would you be willing to let another country suffer to save you own children? I can’t answer these questions yet. As a solider (retired 22 years) I know what I would do, but when it comes to my children and a draft I would not want this country in a war.
Is that the answer, to offer our own children as a sacrifice? Would that work to stop a war? For me there is nothing more important than my family and my children, they are all I live for and love. Vote for the other guys and stick my head in the sand? I love this country. I love it’s freedoms. Just as each of you love your countries and your freedoms.
What in the hell are we going to do!
Peace :confused:
Phaser11, TSgt, USAF (Ret)
Vet, Operation urgent fury, Cold War, Desert Storm and chasing rebels around Central America.
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Reflect this from WW2:
Would you, as a Polish soldier, have fought the Nazis in WW2?
Would you as a British fighter pilot in the BoB have done the same?
Would you, as a U.S.M.C fellow have fought the Japanese at Wake island?
Would you, as a RN guy, have dropped depth charges at the submarines who were sinking merchant vessels?
Other sides....all getting unclearer....
Would you, as a Russian soldier have shot a teenage German POW in the back of the head?
Would you, as a French soldier under German command, have opened artillery and machine gun fire on U.S. and British troops?
Would you, as a Japanese Sniper, shoot U.S.M.C. corpsmen as a Primary target?
Would you, as a U-Boat commander, machine gun an unarmed and lone 20-ton fishing boat to pieces?
Would you, as a German soldier be ready to march children into a death chamber?
Would you, as a bomber pilot be ready to drop incendiaries on heavily populated and undefended urban areas?
Would you be ready to Nuke?
War is one dirty deal, and has the tendency to start from a rather clear cause and get into absolute lunacy.
Just my cents....
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Excellent post, Angus.
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I volunteered during a time of relative peace, so I guess that means all of the above.
From a personal survival point of view though, modern warfare is heavily tilted towards survival by anyone on the same side as the US. From that perspective, today's wars are far better than any past war because I'm much less likely to die horribly than (for example) my grandfather during WWII or my great great great great whatever grandfather during the american civil war.
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i would only fight in a war if i could loot and pillage, i want something for risking my life.
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I remember having a discussion on this very topic during one of my AP classes in high school.
When asked "would you fight if" the following scenarios happened...i'm sure you could guess which one was the final answer.
What if France was invaded?
What if Great Britain was invaded?
What if Canada was invaded?
What if an enemy force landed and invaded Virginia (or other state)?
What if Ohio (or your home state) was attacked?
What if your city was attacked?
What if your neighborhood was attacked?
What if your neighbor was attacked?
What if your house was attacked?
Lets just say that nobody went across the pond to help out in this hypothetical situation.
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WW VII
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I took my first oath shortly after we left Viet Nam. I took it again when commisioned in 75. I never gave a thought as to which war I would fight in. I was joining my country's armed forces. If I am not willing to fight, that would have been a rather sorry route to take.
It is not a soldiers perogative (sp?) to determine the policy of their nation. It is a soldiers responsibility to weigh orders to determine if they are lawfull. That does not mean nor imply that the time to do so is after having been told to go fight or report to duty in a combat zone. Unlawfull orders are often one of the things we are discussing here and they tend to be fairly obvious.
This is a good example of an unlawfull order.
"Would you, as a Russian soldier have shot a teenage German POW in the back of the head?"
as is this:
"Would you, as a German soldier be ready to march children into a death chamber?"
This on the other hand is not:
"Would you, as a bomber pilot be ready to drop incendiaries on heavily populated and undefended urban areas?"
and this is not:
Would you be ready to Nuke?
Examples of all of them are from WW2 of course. In a total war such as that one, the civilian population is a "means to wage war" as they are part of the support base of the beligerant country. If you are unwilling to accept that premise, then you are unwilling to accept the justification to engage in WW2 as an allied soldier. It also means you have just granted the enemy military a safe zone from which to resupply, retrain and launch their forces if they choose to do so in an urban area. Think Hanoi harbor. Think storage of AA missiles in schools and Hospital grounds.
Defeat of an enemy nation does not always mean total destruction of their military. It can certainly mean destruction of the desire and means of the nations ability to wage war and that can hinge on the civilian population's will to support the "cause". Because the "means" is often in or next to a civilian population center for munitions or other war material production there will be casualties. The civilians are the way they get the material created. No military force makes their own munitions, weapons, rations etc., the civilians are doing it for them.
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War of the Worlds.
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War against plaque.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
War against plaque.
How about the war on Gingivitis?
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Revolutionary War, War of 1812. Maybe Civil War. Maybe.
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Originally posted by Dago
How about the war on Gingivitis?
See, mission creep has already begun. :(
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I would fight in any war were a NATO allied is attacked by a non-member.
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For my own turf.
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Star Wars!
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the right to... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uawRwiqfppk)
well that and i just don't know.
i firmly believe in fighting for defense of territory. my country. i get fuzzy on other concepts. i would probably have to be presented with it specifically and make a decision then.
my home? absolutely.
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The War that actually, finally, ended all wars.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/david_woodersonSMALL.jpg)
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
The War that actually, finally, ended all wars.
well said.
- though i am not sure that any war can ever end war...but that's the little buddha inside talking...and he's been drinking.
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Originally posted by Fishu
For my own turf.
(http://www.hair-necessities.com/images/catalog/stock/full/2-5.jpg)
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I KNEW IT WAS A RUG!!!
:D
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The one where the russian paratroopers land and invade us. Thats the one I've been preparing for since childhood.
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Originally posted by type_char
The one where the russian paratroopers land and invade us. Thats the one I've been preparing for since childhood.
WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!
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So you can understand when the cold war was over, I was a bit disapointed. But hey then DOOM and other FSP games came out and well I got what I always wanted after all.
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Teh BFG-9000 should be added to teh planeset immediately!1!!!!!1111
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Originally posted by type_char
So you can understand when the cold war was over, I was a bit disapointed. But hey then DOOM and other FSP games came out and well I got what I always wanted after all.
somenights i still lie awake at night and dream of my name on that little plaque...
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Well we can always invade south america or go after la co**a no*a.
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Originally posted by type_char
Well we can always invade south america or go after the mafia.
well, the mexicans havent exactly paratrooped but...
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That and tacos are good.
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Originally posted by type_char
That and tacos are good.
do they even eat tacos? i think taco bell made those up.
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This is the most odd thing ever.
(http://www.hair-necessities.com/images/catalog/stock/full/2-5.jpg)
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lets put a parachute on it!!!
:)
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lol JB, you one strange fella :D
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Originally posted by type_char
lol JB, you one strange fella :D
;)
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Originally posted by JB88
do they even eat tacos? i think taco bell made those up.
Taco bell was started by an american in Texas.
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Originally posted by JB88
do they even eat tacos? i think taco bell made those up.
Oh yes Vato, we eat taco's. REAL tacos, not those gringo trash things you get from taco bell.
:p