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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: hubsonfire on November 25, 2006, 03:11:28 PM
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Hoping to upgrade to an LCD display
(17" CRT getting a little hard on the eyes), and I'm noticing the wide variety of response times and native resolutions. What are the important things to look for? I use this PC for internet access and gaming only, mostly AH. Is response time a major factor? Is there a performance hit when running at a higher resolution than the native one? Any particular brands/models/features to avoid?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Hoping to upgrade to an LCD display
(17" CRT getting a little hard on the eyes), and I'm noticing the wide variety of response times and native resolutions. What are the important things to look for? I use this PC for internet access and gaming only, mostly AH. Is response time a major factor? Is there a performance hit when running at a higher resolution than the native one? Any particular brands/models/features to avoid?
Yes 8ms is fine though... Well i belive your refresh rate will drop = lower fps.
All the lcd's i've had are fine! NEC, View sonic, samsung so on so on all great even most of the noname brands are decent :lol Cant go wrong with lcd really just look for low resp time!
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Forget 8ms, most are now 5ms which is much better, and there's a few 4ms out there.
Performance hit depends -
If your CPU limited, probably not, the extra "size" will be done by the GPU.
Just fitted a 22" LCD to mine yesterday, very happy with it.
At the moment all the 22" widescreen monitors use the same LCD screens, so you can base your choice on what else comes with it.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Forget 8ms, most are now 5ms which is much better, and there's a few 4ms out there.
Performance hit depends -
If your CPU limited, probably not, the extra "size" will be done by the GPU.
Just fitted a 22" LCD to mine yesterday, very happy with it.
At the moment all the 22" widescreen monitors use the same LCD screens, so you can base your choice on what else comes with it.
lol not everbody has 700+ to spend on monitors ;) Just saying ah works fine with 8ms surre get 5 if u wanna spend that much...
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Yup, response time is first criteria and lower is better. 8ms and less are good, and even 2ms are available now in Japan. I don't know when they'll be available in the US. After that, I would suggest you simply look at them and decide which looks best to your eye for color and brightness.
Remember that Viewsonics are made by Panasonic and Sony and generally built to lower standards than the comparable model built under their own brand name. Mitsubishi Daimondcrysta models are well made.
Most have native 1280 x 1024 resolution and AH looks pretty darn good at that resolution with hires textures. Good luck!
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Originally posted by SkyChimp03
lol not everbody has 700+ to spend on monitors ;) Just saying ah works fine with 8ms surre get 5 if u wanna spend that much...
22" one I got was $330 from Costco :) .
Not a Black Friday special, regular price.
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I just bought a Samsung 19" LCD 931 C at NewEgg ...
2 ms .....faster than stink !
Bob/CHECKERS
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I got a samsung 930BF which is listed at 8ms but is bad in AH2. Problem is the blue/red transition times are a LOT slower giving a green shadow to the red enemy icon when it moves fast (looking around).
I suspect the problem is only barely so probably the 931 is good (which is listed with 2 ms). But mine is not :(.
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That was kind of what I was worried about. Seeing a lot of specials on 19" widescreens lately (missed one for 130 at best buy :( ), but don't want a good deal that won't handle AH well. Thanks for the feedback guys.
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I had a samsung 930 with 8ms time but the smearing was bad enough at close range and fast movement ie close a2a that i went back to the 19" crt. I just switch to the dell 24" widescreen 2407WFP (http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/302/Dell+Ultrasharp+2407WFP+24+Widescreen+LCD/) with 6ms and though I still see the blurring, it is not as bad as the samsung and is tolerable.
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Question. Are you using VGAor DVI connection. Ihave the same monitor connected via DVI and I cannot see this problem. I guess i am lucky.
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Yesterday I stole a Samsung 225BW. It are a Widescreen 22" with 5ms reponding times.
Very nice for playing the fly game. and is cheap (like stealing).
Please use googletron to find this monito
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Dont get too hung on response time. Some monitors lose out other ways going for fst response. Sub 12 you won't notice any difference. I have NEC Multisync 2070NX with a 16 ms response and it's much nicer than my Viewsonic vx922 with its 2ms response time, especially in Battlefield 2.
Matter of taste of course quite often.
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Those responce times
Is the given figure a gray to gray or black to black measured?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Hoping to upgrade to an LCD display
(17" CRT getting a little hard on the eyes), and I'm noticing the wide variety of response times and native resolutions. What are the important things to look for? I use this PC for internet access and gaming only, mostly AH. Is response time a major factor? Is there a performance hit when running at a higher resolution than the native one? Any particular brands/models/features to avoid?
17 or 19 inch monitors are good enough. I won't stop you if you want a monitor as big as your TV on your living room:D
Things to look for...
Contrast ratio Most LCD monitors have contrast ratio of 500:1 the higher the better.
Response time 6ms are good. 4 is even better.
I recommend you these monitors
(http://i9.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/7b/7e/cbe5_1.JPG)
* 2ms response time
* 2000:1 contrast ratio
(http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/7907/7907777_sa.jpg)
* 5ms reponse time
* 2000:1 contrast ratio.
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I have 2 LCD monitors, one a Dell 1905FP (the newer 16ms one) and an older NEC 1760V which has around 25ms response time. The NEC actually has a LOT less ghosting in games due to quirks of the basic technology. See, the NEC is a 6 bit color panel and the Dell is 8 bit, so the Dell has a lot better color fidelity which is nice during normal use, photo editing, watching DVDs, etc. BUT, the Dell has a HUGE lag time when switching away from bright red colors.
That means that even though the older NEC montor technically has slower response times, the Dell shows horrible ghosting for red enemy icons. It's so bad that at close ranges, any stick stirring or rapid maneuvers results in the enemy icon and plane just being a huge red blur in the gunsight.
Bah.
But overall the Dell is a better monitor, and in games that don't use red icons, it looks a lot nicer than the older NEC. It only has the noticeable ghosting problem with bright red lines and text icons like in AH.
It's worth noting that with ny NEC monitor, sunsets in AH would show really bad color banding. With the Dell, I get smooth color gradients. That is proof of the better color fidelity with 8 bit LCDs vs. 6 bit LCDs. I HATE color banding.
I'll probably fiddle with icon colors eventually, but it's worth knowing that monitor response times don't tell the whole story. You need to find out if it's an 8 bit or 6 bit color panel and also find out how they get those response times. Another trick they use to get faster response times is to "overdrive" the pixels for a few milliseconds whenever the color changes more than a little bit. That means sometimes you get odd color artifacts and smearing because they're not just going straight from one color to the next, they're actually going well PAST the next color and then backing down to the right color in order to make it change faster. The results can be great for technical response time specs but might look weird in some situations.
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FYI, eagl, the Dell is a Sony monitor.
Added: I just remembered that you hate Sony LOL :D.
Before you throw it way, stop! Sony, as most huge companies, is made up of smaller companies and a parent company. The company that makes displays is a very old-fashioned Sony company that still believes making quality products is the best sales strategy. It's an engineering-run company. They aren't even the same animals as the entertainment-based suits running the parent company.