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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wizer on November 27, 2006, 07:01:56 AM
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I just logged on to the Late War Blue Arena at 7:30 a.m. ESt and there were a total of 76 ppl logged on. 26 bish, 15 knights and 35 rooks. The ENY for Rooks was 21.6 which neutralized flying most of the Late War Planes. IMHO, since the arena population is now being controlled, ENY is no longer needed in the current arena set ups. At the very least, I believe that the ENY should be disabled when total arena population is below a certain number, i.e. 100. Just a thought for consideration. Wizer
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ENY is needed and your statement(s) make that case. With a 2:1 advantage over the Knights, Rooks have a decided #'s advantage. The intended goal of ENY is to motivate voluntary side balancing. I say, keep it as it is.
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yes does seem strange to go into LW arena and not able to get most of the LW planes.
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Get rid of the ENY limiter and instead, in the situation you quoted, for example, kick the offending overpopulation of Rooks into the Mid War Arena. That'll learn them.
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Originally posted by Max
The intended goal of ENY is to motivate voluntary side balancing.
It also motivates voluntary logging off. The effect is similar.
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Switch to the side with the lowest numbers.
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Originally posted by RTGorkle
It also motivates voluntary logging off. The effect is similar.
If people won't play the game without a huge numerical imbalance in their favor, and will instead log off, I say, "good". Better odds for everyone else.
We need ENY more than we ever have. If anything HT needs to drop the Barbie's Horse Adventure limits, and make it punitive.
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Originally posted by Max
ENY is needed and your statement(s) make that case. With a 2:1 advantage over the Knights, Rooks have a decided #'s advantage. The intended goal of ENY is to motivate voluntary side balancing. I say, keep it as it is.
However, in the cited example, there were 26 bish and 15 knights, thus the two countries had 41 pilots and there were only 35 rooks. ENY did not effect the Bish or the Knights, therefore, they were in a more favorable position for Late War planes. Additionally, in this case the 35 rooks were engaging both the Bish and the Knights, thereby splitting their number and reducing the numerical advantage. I am not ranting against the system, just making obversations for consideration of the community and the High Tech Staff. I Luvvvvv this game. :D wizer
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I like the idea Wizer....
Since the arena setups ALREADY limit the planeset, perhaps it is time to look at eliminating the ENY limits (or changing them?).
Food for thought....thanks Wizer.
RASCAL
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Originally Posted by Hubsonfire
If people won't play the game without a huge numerical imbalance in their favor, and will instead log off, I say, "good". Better odds for everyone else.
We need ENY more than we ever have. If anything HT needs to drop the Barbie's Horse Adventure limits, and make it punitive.
Best Reply Eva!
You win a lollipop and Xtra DT's on your wings for the town!
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I fail to see the problem.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
If people won't play the game without a huge numerical imbalance in their favor, and will instead log off, I say, "good". Better odds for everyone else.
We need ENY more than we ever have. If anything HT needs to drop the Barbie's Horse Adventure limits, and make it punitive.
Amen, but what about chesspiece loyalty? :D
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If people are whinning, then it's doing it's job.
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Originally posted by Wizer
However, in the cited example, there were 26 bish and 15 knights, thus the two countries had 41 pilots and there were only 35 rooks. ENY did not effect the Bish or the Knights, therefore, they were in a more favorable position for Late War planes. Additionally, in this case the 35 rooks were engaging both the Bish and the Knights, thereby splitting their number and reducing the numerical advantage. I am not ranting against the system, just making obversations for consideration of the community and the High Tech Staff. I Luvvvvv this game. :D wizer
Geez, c'mon. So you ONLY had almost as many players as the other 2 countries combined? And you actually had to fight BOTH of them? What were they thinking? No, really, are you saying that neither of the other countries were fighting each other splitting their numbers as well? If they were'nt I wouldn't blame them considering it was the only way to maintain equal footing.
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Originally posted by Wizer
However, in the cited example, there were 26 bish and 15 knights, thus the two countries had 41 pilots and there were only 35 rooks. ENY did not effect the Bish or the Knights, therefore, they were in a more favorable position for Late War planes. Additionally, in this case the 35 rooks were engaging both the Bish and the Knights, thereby splitting their number and reducing the numerical advantage. I am not ranting against the system, just making obversations for consideration of the community and the High Tech Staff. I Luvvvvv this game. :D wizer
Geez, c'mon. So you ONLY had almost as many players as the other 2 countries combined? And you actually had to fight BOTH of them? What were they thinking? No, really, are you saying that neither of the other countries were fighting each other splitting their numbers as well? If they were'nt I wouldn't blame them considering it was the only way to maintain equal footing.
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Originally posted by Wizer
However, in the cited example, there were 26 bish and 15 knights, thus the two countries had 41 pilots and there were only 35 rooks. ENY did not effect the Bish or the Knights, therefore, they were in a more favorable position for Late War planes. Additionally, in this case the 35 rooks were engaging both the Bish and the Knights, thereby splitting their number and reducing the numerical advantage. I am not ranting against the system, just making obversations for consideration of the community and the High Tech Staff. I Luvvvvv this game. :D wizer
Geez, c'mon. So you ONLY had almost as many players as the other 2 countries combined? And you actually had to fight BOTH of them? What were they thinking? No, really, are you saying that neither of the other countries were fighting each other splitting their numbers as well? If they were'nt I wouldn't blame them considering it was the only way to maintain equal footing.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Geez, c'mon. So you ONLY had almost as many players as the other 2 countries combined? And you actually had to fight BOTH of them? What were they thinking? No, really, are you saying that neither of the other countries were fighting each other splitting their numbers as well? If they were'nt I wouldn't blame them considering it was the only way to maintain equal footing.
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Bronk
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Hmmm...topic: Survey-Is ENY Really Needed?
No. Multi-arena and limited plane set was supposed to balance things.
Simple fact, if one side wants to organize in a semi-military manner and the other sides do not...then in a miltary simulation those who don't organize will fail.
All that ENY and multi-arena has done is to encourage furballing.
New base AAA format has made base capture a difficult matter.
"Amen, but what about chesspiece loyalty?" Loyalty and camaraderie is now a bad thing?
Ahhh...for the glory days of one MA and RJO's...
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LOL
Last night Knights were out numberd by 64 players to the rooks and 25-30 by Bishes.....The bish number I could be wrong but the rook number I know I'm not.
Don't like the ENY? Well sometimes the others don't like gettig steam rolled either.
No reason a 60+ player advantage should have uber rides to go along with thier steam roller.
I been on both sides of the ENY equation. Fly and deal with it. It aint going away.
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Originally posted by Wizer
I just logged on to the Late War Blue Arena at 7:30 a.m. ESt and there were a total of 76 ppl logged on. 26 bish, 15 knights and 35 rooks. The ENY for Rooks was 21.6 which neutralized flying most of the Late War Planes. IMHO, since the arena population is now being controlled, ENY is no longer needed in the current arena set ups. At the very least, I believe that the ENY should be disabled when total arena population is below a certain number, i.e. 100. Just a thought for consideration. Wizer
Let me guess here, you wanna fly a late war dweeb ride and your loyal to your make believe country and you don't wanna switch countries to even the sides out?
Do what the rest of the dweeb ride flyers do----> switch countries, when everyone asks you why your on thier country just say your evening out the numbers & not going where the dweeb rides are.
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A few days ago there were particular heavy whines about ENY by several players on my countrychannel :
"XXXX ENY... I canīt fly nothing anymore.. ENY sucks... HT has to change this crap"
I was getting curious and took a look at the Country Info and I found ENY to be at.... 9!!!!!! :rofl
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someone said in MW over the weekend "pretty soon we won't be able to up anything but Spads" <<<<<<---roflmao
I don't like having to have my arse pried out of my Hellcat seat(I will go back to the tower after the explosion, thank you very much), but I always enjoy flying whatever it is I end up in.(I actually kinda like the FM2 now)
but I keep banging my head on the canopy of the 109s..its like trying to fly a plane lookin' through the driver slits on a tank
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
someone said in MW over the weekend "pretty soon we won't be able to up anything but Spads" <<<<<<---roflmao
I don't like having to have my arse pried out of my Hellcat seat(I will go back to the tower after the explosion, thank you very much), but I always enjoy flying whatever it is I end up in.(I actually kinda like the FM2 now)
but I keep banging my head on the canopy of the 109s..its like trying to fly a plane lookin' through the driver slits on a tank
The Wildcat is the Hellcat's older brother !!! ... every bit as fun and for me ... more fun.
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No. Multi-arena and limited plane set was supposed to balance things.
No it wasn't ... please show us where it was said that the multi-arena format was supposed to balance things.
Simple fact, if one side wants to organize in a semi-military manner and the other sides do not...then in a miltary simulation those who don't organize will fail.
Simple fact, when one country is overwhelmed by a 3 : 1 ratio ... not much to organize for the overwhelmed.
New base AAA format has made base capture a difficult matter.
Oh golly gee ... on the other hand, if one were to organize in a semi-military manner ... taking care of the AAA and base capture should be a piece of cake.
Ahhh...for the glory days of one MA and RJO's...
Yeah ... I miss it too ... almost as much as I miss having a festering boil in my nose.
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Originally posted by 2Slow
New base AAA format has made base capture a difficult matter.
But it also made stopping a successful offensive single-handedly more difficult -
On this small maps 1 dedicated pilot could easily pork troops on a whole front in a cannon/rocket armed plane. With the combination of increased Ack & much more barrack itīs no longer that easy. So it benefits a defender on tactical level but sometimes also the attacker on a strategical one.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The Wildcat is the Hellcat's older brother !!! ... . every bit as fun and for me ... more fun.
umm... yes, I noticed..lol.. I'm still pulling shrapnel out of my backside.
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
I don't like having to have my arse pried out of my Hellcat seat(I will go back to the tower after the explosion, thank you very much), but I always enjoy flying whatever it is I end up in.(I actually kinda like the FM2 now)
People who are wedded to one plane are really missing out on a lot of fun. If you don't want to switch sides to balance things out, take the ENY restriction as an opportunity to try something more challenging.
- oldman
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ENY just allows people to fly the better planes....
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Let me guess here, you wanna fly a late war dweeb ride and your loyal to your make believe country and you don't wanna switch countries to even the sides out?
Do what the rest of the dweeb ride flyers do----> switch countries, when everyone asks you why your on thier country just say your evening out the numbers & not going where the dweeb rides are.
Well actually, I was trying to fly the F6F. Don't know about "dweeb ride" and topic of discussion is availability of Late War Planes in the Late War Arena and was not intended to rate planes as dweebish or not.
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Originally posted by Wizer
At the very least, I believe that the ENY should be disabled when total arena population is below a certain number, i.e. 100. Just a thought for consideration. Wizer
Only if my chess piece has the overwhelming majority.
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The ENY is designed to give the other country who is outnumbered.When your country is outnumbered no one hears you complaining.
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Originally posted by Flash
yes does seem strange to go into LW arena and not able to get most of the LW planes.
You are totally able to fly all late-war planes -- after a country switch. That's what the ENY limit is in there for, to motivate side switching when the rosters are all out of whack.
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Is ENY-based limiting needed?
I think it is. It encourages and provides for side balancing in a manner that is about as unintrusive as possible for something that will still work.
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People are still whining so I guess ENY does fulfill its intended purpose. I have full faith in HTC to keep us entertained when ENY stop causing whines , by changing something else and start the fest all over again :aok
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ENY I dont mind most of the time.....
I like to fly different planes at times myself
The only time I ever have a problem is when Ive seen it go overly high 20-25+ (around there)... I was invloved in CV battle and as more players logged on was only able to fly a TBM or SBD...
Yes... they too can be fun planes but with my admitted lack of pilot skills going against La-7's, Niki's and other "better rides" made for lots of donations of slightly used and damaged plane parts across the base I was at...
:aok
Other than times like that ENY is fine with me forces me to fly different planes which is not a bad thing
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The problem isn't the forced switch as much as it's the hour wait to switch back. Get rid of the wait time and more people will be willing to switch. Since they'll easily be able to switch back to thier own squad/country 30 minutes later when the sides are balanced again.
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The problem isn't the forced switch as much as it's the hour wait to switch back.
Is that really a big deal here?2 to 3 fights can last an hour, if you factor in flight time to find a fight.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Is that really a big deal here?2 to 3 fights can last an hour, if you factor in flight time to find a fight.
There are many people who only have an hour to fly.
- oldman (ask me how I know)
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There are many people who only have an hour to fly.
Then this topic does not apply to them.
There are only a few players out there that " switch sides to make up the numbers", then there are players who change sides to follow the lowest " ENY "so they can fly the dweeb rides & whoore thier score.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
There are many people who only have an hour to fly.
- oldman (ask me how I know)
You sure do have a ton of excuses for everything. Put the shovel down now and rest your arms, the manure is really ripe.
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Originally posted by sgt203
The only time I ever have a problem is when Ive seen it go overly high 20-25+ (around there)... I was invloved in CV battle and as more players logged on was only able to fly a TBM or SBD...
Were there any A6M2's or F4F's?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You sure do have a ton of excuses for everything. Put the shovel down now and rest your arms, the manure is really ripe.
...umm....excuse me?
- oldman
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lol Karaya...
:huh
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Hell No!
999000
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Originally posted by 2Slow
Ahhh...for the glory days of one MA and RJO's...
aye..... while i hated those nights when RJO happend, it DID lead to some interesting fights, and if KJO and BJO had happend at the same time it would have been great
infact i was thinking of creating some sort of post asking for "joint operations nights" or special events in the MA's
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OK guys have a laugh on me ;-)
I really didn't know what ENY was all about. Having taken a break and come back with so many things to get use to I kept wondering why I could not get a certain plane at cetain times, why had this ENY factor kicked in. Had someone bombed the factory, was it some local supply issue , maybe a hanger was down - Yep just wild guessing.
Well, feeling slightly put out at not being able to grab my normal ride I simply took up the next best choice for me. - It was not a major issue for me.
Now as I understand it, it is a numbers thing and I have to say this seems a pretty good idea. It certainly would not motivate me moving to another side - God forbid, I have been on the same side since joining years ago.
Are the other side really human, Huh! scum of the earth, nothing is going to motivate my changing loyalty! The other side are always hoarding, gang banging and generally picking on me all the time, heck, how do they know its me, they must have all hacked the code to get on my 6 with such ease. I know I am gods gift to the fighter world, perish the thought that I simply can't fly as well as the others!
Cheers,
Blagard