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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on November 27, 2006, 12:24:26 PM
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We've touched on this in several threads, but focusing just on these two calibers in comparable handguns carrying about six rounds in 4- or -5-inch barrels, would you prefer a .357 Magnum revolver cartridge (not the .357 Sig) or .45 ACP pistol cartridge (not the .45 Glock) for:
a. carrying in a woods or on a farm or on a wildnerhess hike?
b. plinking outdoors?
c. target shooting at a range (indoor or outdoor)?
d. home defense?
e. competition shooting?
f. hunting?
I think my answers are:
a. .357
b. .357
c. .45
d. .357
e. .45
f. .357
What are your choices?
You see where I'm going with this. I have a .357 revolver and am trying to justify buying a .45 pistol.
I use the six rounds as an example to avoid the separate issue of how many rounds are enough in various situations, i.e., in most of the above, I think six would be plenty.
Likewise I know .38 is a relatively inexpensive bonus option for the .357, but I'm most interested in the .357 Magnum vs. .45 ACP choice.
I'm especially curious if anyone prefers only the .357 Magnum or .45 ACP in every one of these six situations.
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get yourself an UZI or similar small sized full auto.
a. carrying in a woods or on a farm or on a wildnerhess hike?
- its lightweight. I assure you no mountain lion or snake will survive 100 rounds pumped into it in less than 3 seconds.
b. plinking outdoors?
- If you cant plink it with a UZI then you shouldnt be carrying a weapon.
c. target shooting at a range (indoor or outdoor)?
- Saturation fire > accuracy .
d. home defense?
- See all reasons stated above. Plus its not a heavy round so it wont be penetrating every single wall in your house and hitting the neighbor. You're guaranteed to hit the bad guy and minimize the danger of hitting somoene you care about thats in the other side of the wall. I think they sell a special kind of plastic round that can go through flesh but not wall material. Plus think of the psychological factor: If the bad guy hears 2 or 3 loud bangs he'll probably return fire and run... but if he hears a machine gun go off on him ill betcha hell be on the floor bleeding to death or on the floor with his cheeks on his own excrement wailing 'doooont keeel meeeee'
e. competition shooting?
- useless in this situation. Then again, weapons to compete with cannot be used to defend yourself in the real world.
f. hunting?
- If its for food.. yeah the UZI will down whatever. For sport... see answer to e.
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Originally posted by Halo
a. carrying in a woods or on a farm or on a wildnerhess hike?
b. plinking outdoors?
c. target shooting at a range (indoor or outdoor)?
d. home defense?
e. competition shooting?
f. hunting?
a. .357 (cause I can load snake shot, i dont think theres shot for 45 ACP)
b. .357 (cause I can use 135gr for blinking and 175 or 180 gr for hunting)
c. .357
d. .357
e. .357 (accuracy for me anyway, I only competed twice)
f. .357 (same as a & b)
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The only one of the 2 calibers you mentioned that will do it all is the .357. If you are serious about the hunting aspect you'd be better off in going with a 6" barrel instead of a 4" one. On the other hand if you really want to hunt with a handgun you're better off with a TC Contender as you have many options for cartidge / game combinations.
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Both are fine rounds, why do you need a reason? It's not like the government limits how many guns we can own. Yet.
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another thing to think about is the anoying habit that semi autos have of throwing the brass away and/or making you chase it all over the place.
I hate picking up brass..
Also.. not every .45 will shoot lead slugs well. This is a big deal to me.
lazs
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.44 magnum.:eek:
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I like the Model 1911 45 ACP. However, one must shoot what one knows.
Example: While a USAF Security Policeman I carried Smith & Wesson Model 15-4 Combat Masterpiece 38 Special revolver. I was the 1979 8th Air Force regional top gun in competion.
Just last year I found one and bought it. I still had my old web gear and holster.
The sight picture still came to me naturally. First time firing it on a 25 yard range against a military silhouette ringed target I scored a 291 out of 300. 5 six round loads from standing crouch. 3 strong side, two weak side.
So my answer would be 38 Special for all events. If I had to choose between 357 and 45 I would go with the 45. The 357 was designed to penetrate vehicle glass and door panels way back before there was a 38 Special.
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My HK USP 45 has no problem shooting anything, 200gr wadcutters (flying ashtray), 230 fmj, or 230 lead bullets.
Either caliber is good for all of the choices listed. The decision resides in YOU, not us.
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my carry around is a .357, I also have a .45
my answer would be as follows
a. shotgun
b. .22
c. .45
d. shotgun
e. .45
f. depends on what I was hunting but most likely shotgun
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I prefer the .45 as my overall handgun. Knockdown, penetration, accuracy.
But there's nothing wrong with having one of each.
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Dirty Harry (http://youtube.com/watch?v=YykfDFEk3y8)
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a. carrying in a woods or on a farm or on a wildnerhess hike?
b. plinking outdoors?
c. target shooting at a range (indoor or outdoor)?
d. home defense?
e. competition shooting?
f. hunting?
a. 10mm Glock (think of it as a .40 cal Magnum)
b. 7.62 x 39 - almost as cheap as .22 when bought in case lots.... and noisier.
c. Anything not requiring a forward observer
d. 10mm Glock although something to be said about 10 gage pump with flechettes
e. don't partake
f. Stopped hunting years ago after my first overseas tour. Just not the same when they don't shoot back. Closest I come to this is .68 cal paint ball or MILES (Multiple Integrated Laser Engagement System) gear.
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Oh heck, just buy the 1911 then tell my buddy laz how much better it is than a revolver. :D
I will chip in a dollar if you do. :aok
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Originally posted by Dago
Oh heck, just buy the 1911 then tell my buddy laz how much better it is than a revolver. :D
I will chip in a dollar if you do. :aok
I'll thow a buck just for the entertainment value.
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Originally posted by 2Slow
The 357 was designed to penetrate vehicle glass and door panels way back before there was a 38 Special.
You might want to rethink the last part of this statement. The .357 was developed from the .38 special.
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I'd use the 1911 in .45ACP in all those situations except c, for which it's either/or.
I owned both a Colt Trooper .357mag and a Colt 1911A1 GoldCup in .45ACP, and the 1911 felt better in my hand and more comfortable to carry.
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Originally posted by BMnot
.44 magnum.:eek:
That's me! My S&W model 29!
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Originally posted by 2Slow
The 357 was designed to penetrate vehicle glass and door panels way back before there was a 38 Special.
Originally posted by Maverick
You might want to rethink the last part of this statement. The .357 was developed from the .38 special.
2Slow, just to save you some time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Magnum
The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge was created by Elmer Keith, Phillip Sharpe and the firearms manufacturer Smith & Wesson. Based upon their earlier .38 Special revolver cartridge, the .357 Magnum cartridge was introduced in 1934 and its use has since become widespread.
The .357 Magnum was developed over a period of time in the early to mid-1930's in a direct response to Colt's .38 Super Automatic. At the time the .38 Super Automatic was the only pistol cartridge capable of defeating automobile cover and the early bulletproof vests that were just then beginning to emerge in the post-World War I "Gangster Era". Tests at the time revealed that those early vests defeated any handgun cartridge traveling at less than ~1000 fps. Colt's .38 Super Automatic just edged over that velocity and was able to penetrate car doors and vests that bootleggers, and "gangsters" were employing as cover.
To settle the score, and reassert itself as the leading law enforcement armament provider, Smith and Wesson developed the .357 Magnum. The new round was developed out of their existing .38 Special round, by adding additional powder, and ultimately by extending the case by 1/8th of an inch. The case extension was more a matter of safety than of necessity. Since the .38 Special and the new .357 Magnum cartridges were identical in physical attributes, it was possible to load a .357 Magnum cartridge in a .38 Special revolver, with potentially disastrous results. Extending the case slightly made it impossible to accidentally chamber the magnum power round in the smaller gun.
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dago.. I allready own a better 45 than you do. I shoot it a lot. It is a good little gun with a good trigger but...
It shoots a weak, slow round and it throws brass all over the place and won't shoot ammo unless it is in a very narrow range of energy.
.357 is better for most things but...
I do like the 44 mag... it is a great round. accurate, powerful, cheap to reload and easy... the brass is ten times better than any 45 brass I have seen and... I don't have to play pick up brass all the time. You can load it 1,000 fps with 180 grain slugs or 1,300 fps with 250 grain slugs. You can load shot shells that actually have enough shot to kill a snake.. do that with a 45 and your auto becomes a really bad single shot.
I like the 45.. for me, the brass is free... have 14,000 once fired cases. I still have to pick up the brass except at the range. Only a slob leaves it laying all over the outdoors.
The 44 is about the best for me.. it is the limit of what a light gun will handle for me... even I was not happy firing a 44 in the new scandium 22 oz smith tho...
I like the way a 1911 is flat for carry but... if I was gonna carry anything that I could only pick one... I would go with the 340 pd in .357 a 12 oz 357 that fits in the front pocket of anything you are wearing and looks about like you have a cell phone in your pocket if at all... weighs about the same too. recoil is horrendous tho.
Lots of shotguns and rifles are better for everything mentioned than handguns but... if I only had the choice of handguns..
44 mag
.357 mag
22
45
in that order.
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oh.. with the .357 you can load 38 spl brass to .357 levels by simply seating the bullet 1/8" less after loading to .357 levels. end up with a round with the same overall length as a .357 and... same pressures.
I did this way back when and .357 brass was hard to come by.
.357 and 45 are great calibers it's just that the 44 is way better in every way.
lazs
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the main question you have to ask yourself is what your PRIMARY use of the gun will be. trying to get a "do everything" gun is difficult, not impossible, but difficult. while both of your choices are excellent ones, you really need to examine how/why/where/when you will carry it, and if you are considering getting a concealed carry license.
having said this, the 1911 .45 is considered by many as being the greatest handgun of all time, but you need to go with what you like best based on the above questions. i myself carry ( i have my concealed carry permit for 5 states, and am currently processing for California, yes California.) a Glock27 in 40cal. It is the subcompact concealed carry version of the G23. The .45 is too big of a gun for me to carry comfortably concealed. I would be willing to use my gun in all of the situations you listed except for hunting. Though I have no doubts that in a "wilderness" situation it would perform as needed. I bought it for personal/home defense, range shooting, and for carry when I'm out in the sticks camping/hiking/whathaveyou.
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for carry... when you get to a full sized gun it really isn't that much difference between a 9 mm and a 44 mag.. they are all a pain in one way or another. the 12 oz smith 340 pd in 357 is great for that. I don't need a 10-50 shot full sized semi auto in some oddball caliber.. I just want one that doesn't weigh a ton and will stop someone from continueing with their bad manners up close to me and I want it to do so with one or two rounds.
I doubt that I will get into any prolonged gunfight with anyone in a city these days and 5 shots is plenty... one is probly plenty to stop em or make em run away.. I will settle for either.
For everything else. I want enough gun and... I don't want to chase brass... I also want to be able to shoot shot rounds at nasty snakes.
That means that the or 45 colt revolver is king. I allready have a lot of 44's and I have 25 years of loads for em that work so the 45 colt is out.
leaving... the 44 mag.
sooo.. for me.. the 44 mag is best for about everything with a light .357 for cc and maybe a good 22 for some fun. I do like the old Kimber 45 for the nitghtstand tho...
Heck.. I am looking at the 22 oz 44 mag scandium revolver and thinking that with a hammer bob job and a little smoothing up it might make a good carry gun....
lazs
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Hey lasz, semi-auto pistols are ten times better than revolvers. Everyone knows that.
:D
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For All the answers i say put down the pistol and pick up my .308
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Originally posted by lazs2
dago.. I allready own a better 45 than you do.
I guess this must mean you have a bigger "johnson"? :rofl
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you might guess that but what it really means is that I allready own a better .45 than you do and... I also own and reload for all the other calibers that I am talking about. sooooo... I might know what I prefer and why while you...
lacking any real experiance to speak of rely on what you read in some "enthusiasts" website.
still...you ignore the instructions in every box your shiny auto shuckers come with that says to not rely on the gun until you have a few hundred rounds through it and even then.... only with certain types of ammo and perfect magazines.
While the revolvers only come with instructions that wink at you and say "now you aren't going to shoot reloads are you?"
Bowhtr is correct tho.. the .308/ought six 7.62 anything is the best.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
you might guess that but what it really means is that I allready own a better .45 than you do and... I also own and reload for all the other calibers that I am talking about. sooooo... I might know what I prefer and why while you...
lacking any real experiance to speak of rely on what you read in some "enthusiasts" website.
still...you ignore the instructions in every box your shiny auto shuckers come with that says to not rely on the gun until you have a few hundred rounds through it and even then.... only with certain types of ammo and perfect magazines.
While the revolvers only come with instructions that wink at you and say "now you aren't going to shoot reloads are you?"
Bowhtr is correct tho.. the .308/ought six 7.62 anything is the best.
lazs
I bought my first handgun 34 years ago. I have aquired others since, and never sold one.
I have run thousands of rounds through handguns, mine and others. I have fired many revolvers of differant calibers. There was a time when I went shooting every weekend, and would shoot for hours. (before marriage).
I dont reload, except for shotgun, but I have an awful lot of brass saved from shooting if I ever decide to start.
So, without knowing me really, knowing what I actually have and my experience, you are quick to make assumptions.
I do not list my weapons on this board or anywhere else online, some things I do not feel is really anyone elses business. I will occasionally mention one of my firearms, but typically only one. (I sent one rifle in for repair to the manufacturer, they replaced the internals and told me I had worn the weapon out). :)
You did finally say one thing I didn't think you understood, your statements about handguns are your "preference", and that is fine, what I don't agree with is your categoric statements about what is best, most accurate, that people can't be trained to shoot semi-autos accurately. You ignore reality when it comes to the fact that the overwhelming majority of handguns used in competition are semi-autos, and the majority of winners in those competitions are shooting semi-autos. There is a reason for that.
So, we are both gun enthusiasts, and that is fine. Please remember the "best" or what works for a person is purely subjective, and quite honestly cannot ever be stated as definitive.
dago
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good post dago
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For anyone who is truly an enthusiast in any sport there will be a set of firmly held beliefs. If they find something that works for them its going to be taken almost like "gospel". Laz is one of those folks who tends to come accross that way, alot.
Hand guns, any gun really, is a personal thing in that some things work for one person and others don't.
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I'd have to go with the .357/.38 for all of them. Of course I only shoot .38's in my .357, I just prefer it. The .38 special is quite competent to handle any of the listed duties (except I wouldnt go hunting with it). Get a lever action rifle chambered in .357 to go with your revolver, and you have the perfect combo. Go ahead and buy the .45 too. You can never have too many :)
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dago...odd? I thought it was you who went off on me?
I agree that it is a matter of personal preference. I am happy to be around any enthusiast but... I really haven't said anything that isn't true... you simply have taken offence.
saving brass is not reloading... wearing out a gun or two is not vast experiance.
maybe you do know a lot about guns but just haven't shown us yet? I recall you saying that the .308 was as powerful... no...more powerful than the 3006 and that the m14 was inherently more accurate than the m1... you say that revolvers jam as often as semi autos.
you may not like the way I say something about guns but at least I am accurate in what I say. (oops.. did say a hi power was double action once).
I don't know how you can go out plinking in the great outdoors with a semi auto pistol and not admit that revolvers are superior for that at all distances... not to mention... all the brass being wasted.... it's like you never did go out shooting.
If you reloaded then you would also understand what I am saying in regards to that. You don't soooo.... you don't.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
dago...odd? I thought it was you who went off on me?
I agree that it is a matter of personal preference. I am happy to be around any enthusiast but... I really haven't said anything that isn't true... you simply have taken offence.
saving brass is not reloading... wearing out a gun or two is not vast experiance.
maybe you do know a lot about guns but just haven't shown us yet? I recall you saying that the .308 was as powerful... no...more powerful than the 3006 and that the m14 was inherently more accurate than the m1... you say that revolvers jam as often as semi autos.
you may not like the way I say something about guns but at least I am accurate in what I say. (oops.. did say a hi power was double action once).
I don't know how you can go out plinking in the great outdoors with a semi auto pistol and not admit that revolvers are superior for that at all distances... not to mention... all the brass being wasted.... it's like you never did go out shooting.
If you reloaded then you would also understand what I am saying in regards to that. You don't soooo.... you don't.
lazs
Oh please lazs, you are amusing me more with every post.
Reloading does NOT make you an expert, but for some reason you keep bringing that up as if it is some magic bullet to all knowing guru status.
If I buy an RCBS press, am I in the "expert club"?
I never bothered reloading brass cartridge because I never cared to do it. I have been able to afford to buy commercial reloads, or most often factory ammo, so that is what I did.
I reload shotgun because I started reloading that when I was about 16, using a MEC 650 I bought, and still have. I have reloading untold thousands of rounds of shotgun over the years, but it doesn't make me even close to a shotgun expert.
I have said revolvers jam, I doubt that I ever said they jam more than semi's, but I did say they jam in response to your firm statements that revolvers never jam. Yes, they do jam.
I said the .308 is more accurate than the 30-06, and I still think it is. Many experts I have read on the subject stated this. I don't own a 30-06 so I take their word for it.
There is no doubt among anyone with real competitive experience that the M14/M1A is inherently more accurate than the M1 Garand. You make not like that, but as I told you before, this is the direct opinion of world recognized experts. I have even given you the name of probably the worlds foremost authority and suggested you talked to him, you only blew this off. You seem to know better, go figure.
I am amused by your constantly trying to qualify the revolver as the better weapon because you think it is more accurate at long range. Here is a shocker, most everyone knows this, a handgun is a close range weapon, a rifle is a long range weapon.
If you want an accurate long range handgun, get a Thompson Center Contender.
If the revolver is such an obviously superior weapon, why have virtually very law enforcement organization, military service, and all special ops units adopted the semi-auto as their weapon of choice? Why have sales dropped so low companies like Colt don't even bother making revolvers anymore? Why do the overwhelming majority of world class competitive shooters shoot semi-autos?
I think you should at least be honest enough to state "in my opinion", as that is all it is.
That is all I tend to offer.
Regards
dago
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Now I know how my grandpa felt when he would look back at my brother and I on long car trips and say "Don't make me pull this car over!"
Cmon guys, fun is fun, but every thread?
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dago.. until you reload you most certainly will not know what I mean by the superiority of revolvers over self shuckers for reloaders. It iis not just the money.. it is the experiance you gain..it is the variety of ammo that you can shoot that you can get no other way.
Untill you plink at unknown ranges and sized objects from 25-300 yards you will not know why magnum revolver rounds are superior to semi autos... you will simply continue to blissfully believe that no handgun can shoot farther than the backstop at 12 yards at your range.
you most certainly did say that the 308 was more powerfull and had better ballistics... I had to paste the ballistic tables here to show you how wrong you were. I also explained that the gas system was INHERENTLY more condusive to accuracy in the M1 than the M14... tuned weapons were not the subject.
And... I admit that the semi auto is superior as a belt carried full sized handgun that is carried by inexperianced people who will probly never have to fire it. A great backup gun for people who are not ever going to use it...revolvers are harder to teach the level of people we hire with or PC hampered tax dollars to use them and... more dangerous.
the subject here was what would be the best for a number of situations. I have explained why the revolver was best for them.
Now....
If you want to change the situations to...
1) What is the best belt carried handgun for inexperiance people to carry?
2) what is the best handgun to play scripted shooting games at short ranges that require no recoil and speed of fire and high capacity?
3) what is the best handgun for looking really modern?
then I would have to say that the semi auto would be the best in all three of those situations.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
dago.. until you reload you most certainly will not know what I mean by the superiority of revolvers over self shuckers for reloaders.
Oh? Now it is better just for reloaders, you mean you are retracting all the comments where the revolver was a better handgun for every reason?
you will simply continue to blissfully believe that no handgun can shoot farther than the backstop at 12 yards at your range.
Did you fail to actually read my post?
I also explained that the gas system was INHERENTLY more condusive to accuracy in the M1 than the M14... tuned weapons were not the subject.
Lets see, you are absolutely convinced you know more than a man who has spent his whole life working with the M1 Garand and M14, and I mean his personal and professional life. Yeah, the man was on the Armys Marksmanship Unit for years, who competed in the intrnational competitions for years, firing thousands upon thousands of rounds through both rifles, who functioned as an armorer on that team, and later opened his own firearms manufacturing company, where he secured BATF approval to convert M14s to semi-auto for sale to the public. Ever hear of Elmer Balance? Devine Texas? He spent his entire adult life with those two rifles, it was his occupation. He is one of the finest gunsmiths on battlerifles that ever came down the path. I told you his opinion, you blew it off as if he knows nothing, and you, the average hobbiest knows so much more. Incredible. You discount his opinion of the differance in gas systems, op rod lenght impact on accuracy, including harmonic distortions, etc.
Let me repeat breifly what he told me about the differance between M1 Garand and the M14, he stated the M1 Garand must be tuned and accurized to equal the rack grade M14 out of the box.
That was his statement, and you will have to excuse me if I take his word over yours, he has a heck of a lot more experience with both weapons than you and I combined.
Your belief in your superior knowledge versus true professionals is amazing. :rofl
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Guns? I dont need know stinking carry. I have a body guard.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/242_1148585581_lewhasgonetofarwiththedog.jpg)
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pay attention dago... revolvers are better for reloaders... reloaders are shooters.
revolvers are better for plinking at all distances.
revolvers are better for long range shooting.
revolvers are better for hunting.
revolvers can handle a wide variety of loads... in the same gun and in the same cyl.
.357 is the best stopper... the 340 pd is the most powerful handgun in the sub 1 lb and small size you can carry. It will fire from inside a pocket and it has no slide to move 1/8" out of battery and therefore is reliable from the pocket.
so nooo... they are not just better for reloaders.
the ought six is more powerful than the .308 (no matter what you say)
The M1 gets it's gas to operate further forward than the m14 and the bullet is gone before the gas is bled off unlike the M14... this is an inherent accuracy thing. tune is something different. an M14 can be tuned to be more accurate than an M1. If you put regulations on how much each can be tuned then the M14 may be the better weapon..
with no restrictions... the M1 will have the advantage, the m14 may be better in a restricted class match but with no restrictions the M1 gas system will allways be the superior one.
you could design a match and restrictions so that the M14 could never win over the M1 for instance... 8 shot reloads for speed... prone shooting where a mag would get in the way etc... that proves nothing.
Those are just games.
lazs
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and silat... I am not surprised... that is what your liberal heros do... they take guns from everyone else but all have armed bodyguards and armor limmos.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
and silat... I am not surprised... that is what your liberal heros do... they take guns from everyone else but all have armed bodyguards and armor limmos.
lazs
What?? What is a limmos?
That was humor.. You remember laughter dont you? You got all that out of a dog gunner?
I own many weapons and have never supported taking away your gun or your civil rights as your boy Bush wants.
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ah... perhaps I am wrong and you believe in the second amendment... still... the candidate you support are all enemies of the second. What good are your personal opinions if you vote to remove my rights (vote for candidates who do)?
How is GW taking away my guns? He let the bans sunset... he passed a bill to protect fireams manufacturers from being wiped out by frivolous lawsuits and appointed 2 second freindly supreme court justices.
lazs
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Somebody thought that 308 winchester was more powerfull than 30.06? What are they teaching in school these days?
If Lazs is ever right about anything it's guns.
Only pistols I can think of that might be better for hunting and target shooting would be those weird single shots like thompson contender and I think like 30 years ago remington made a bolt action pistol.
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Originally posted by lazs2
ah... perhaps I am wrong and you believe in the second amendment... still... the candidate you support are all enemies of the second. What good are your personal opinions if you vote to remove my rights (vote for candidates who do)?
How is GW taking away my guns? He let the bans sunset... he passed a bill to protect fireams manufacturers from being wiped out by frivolous lawsuits and appointed 2 second freindly supreme court justices.
lazs
Dont know what your problem with me is Laz. I didnt vote for Bush. Apparently that is enough reason for you to not like me.
Ive been proven right so far.
Friendly SC judges? LOL. Friendly to the corps and the 1% that control 90% of the money in this country.
I never said Bush was taking your guns. You said I was:)
I said the Bush regime is trying erode our civil rights.
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" own many weapons and have never supported taking away your gun or your civil rights as your boy Bush wants."
My boy Bush? and he wants to take my gun rights away? I voted for him because I had no choice.
Who the hell do you think your boy would have put on the supreme court? What do you think he would have done about the frivolous lawsuit deal? vetoed it.
Your boys and girls allways attack our gun rights. sooo... you voting for them is the same as you attacking our gun rights... you can't vote for the sierra club and say you are for private property rights or for peta and say you are a friend of the rancher.
lazs
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Ya got two hands doncha? Why not pack both? ;)
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my guns will only be taken from my cold dead hands :t
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I started this thread with a revolver and .357 bias, but probably because I only plink and need home defense, I have switched to preferring .45 ACP, particularly the Springfield XD .45 ACP 4-inch tactical model I bought.
In fact, the XD has become my favorite gun. Accurate, lightweight, reliable, affordable, versatile, it's perfect for my needs.
4-inch barrel, 13-round magazine, Glock tactical light with laser, less than 3 pounds loaded up, good accessories right out of the box, excellent ergonomics, I'm amazed how much I like the XD .45 ACP.
I was also surprised to realize that I really don't like firing .357s. I respect the round, but don't like shooting it. Nor do I like shooting revolvers; much prefer semiautomatics.
I always thought I preferred revolvers, but I don't. Hmmm. Wonder what else I think I like but don't? We never live too long to outgrow our surprises.
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Dan Wesson 357, easily interchangeable barrels, 2" 4" 6" 8", can shoot cheap 38 wad cutters for plinking, and it looks and handles great.
bonus, i already own it.
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I carry a .357, but I like the .45 ACP as well. I just prefer wheel guns.
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I just bought my first wheel gun, a Taurus Tracker 627. It's a ported, 7-shot .357/.38 Special. I was surprised how mild the porting made the .357 rounds I was shooting feel. The .38's were even milder. Overall I really enjoyed shooting the revolver. It was also nice not having to chase .45 or 9mm brass...but I do enjoy shooting those as well. I also just got all the dies to start reloading .38 Special.
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like xargos... I own both semi autos and revolvers... I enjoy shooting revolvers a lot more but... except for the low power of the .45 round and the annoying habit it has of throwing away the brass and making a big mess... I do enjoy shooting my Kimber and CZ75 clone in .45.
No match for my 44 mag revolvers tho.. the brass is much stronger and I can reload it many times. It goes off every time.. it never jams. I don't have to load magazines or chase brass or load my ammo to very narrow specs and with a narrow selection of bullet types.
My revolvers are powerful and accurate. I realize that some people are not capable of shooting revolvers well and are afraid of recoil... A .357 in a medium frame revolver feels like a 22 to me going off.
For plinking and general use I would much rather have a .357 than a .45 auto.. certainly if you reload it is no contest... A 44 mag is even better.. a dan wesson in 445 might be even better with even more options but.. the 44 mag seems to be, for me, a perfect balance between power and weight and recoil.
oh... on ported guns..it is very important to wear good ear protection... a normal gunshot is a very short event.. the porting makes it longer and more damaging.
lazs
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Originally posted by lukster
Ya got two hands doncha? Why not pack both? ;)
My thoughts exactly.