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Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: devil956 on November 28, 2006, 07:02:58 PM
if were gonna post the british meteor then im gonna repost my p-80 request and see peeps opinions now so how bout it.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: VooWho on November 28, 2006, 09:20:42 PM
The P-80 Shooting Star never saw action in WW2, which means it will not see action in AH2. The only planes that make it to AH are ones that flew during the war and saw some sort of combat. The Meteor is are only best hope for an Allied jet fighter because it saw action during the war.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: EagleEyes on November 28, 2006, 10:04:52 PM
Had the war in the Pacific gone into 1946, then it would have seen action.  Missed frontline service by around 6 months!  Would have been nice to see some P-80s vs Me262s (Japanese virsion) fights
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: skycaptn on November 29, 2006, 07:11:34 AM
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Originally posted by VooWho
The P-80 Shooting Star never saw action in WW2, which means it will not see action in AH2. The only planes that make it to AH are ones that flew during the war and saw some sort of combat. The Meteor is are only best hope for an Allied jet fighter because it saw action during the war.


Ostiwinds saw no action in WWII prove it otherwise with documentation if you can.
Me-163's killed more german pilots than americans and saw almost no service during WWII.
RV8 saw no service in any time period.

What do both of these vehicles have in common?
they are in AH and abundant.
So HTC what is the rule about aircraft and vehicles anyways??
Please clarify so we can stop requesting things that you have no intention of putting in the game.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: NHawk on November 29, 2006, 12:07:54 PM
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Originally posted by skycaptn
Ostiwinds saw no action in WWII prove it otherwise with documentation if you can.
Me-163's killed more german pilots than americans and saw almost no service during WWII.
RV8 saw no service in any time period.

What do both of these vehicles have in common?
they are in AH and abundant.
So HTC what is the rule about aircraft and vehicles anyways??
Please clarify so we can stop requesting things that you have no intention of putting in the game.
The Ostwind was the successor to the Wirbelwind. The Germans determined that the quad 20mm guns on the Wirbelwind just didn't bring down aircraft as well as a single 37mm gun.

The Wirbelwind was cancelled due to it's inefectiveness in favor of the Ostwind.

A little more than 300 ME-163s were produced, the majority were the B model (237 in 1944 and 42 in 1945). The B model was the only operational version with the first operational flight on May 13th, 1944. The first attack by ME-163s was on July 28th, 1944 over Merseburg. The only reason it wasn't used more is production was interrupted and it was pretty much a result of the war coming to a close.

The RV8 isn't for use online. It's there just for fun offline. Those arenas that have it enabled, aren't suppose to.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: skycaptn on November 29, 2006, 02:06:53 PM
All youve done nothing but proven my point. Thank you..
HTC please eliminate the ostiwind and the Me-163 due to the fact that they SEEM to not fall within the allowable plane set.
HOWEVER if you would be willing to let us know WHAT the allowable plane set is we would GLADLY stop asking for things that you have no intention of ever adding to the game.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: Krusty on November 29, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
Is this guy for real?
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: zorstorer on November 29, 2006, 02:39:28 PM
I think he is Krusty.....

No one tell him about the 3 cannon La7's or the Ta152 or the Seafire...


he might start making these kinds of faces....

:rolleyes:

or

:confused:

maybe even,

:furious
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: Debonair on November 29, 2006, 03:32:13 PM
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Originally posted by NHawk
The Ostwind was the successor to the Wirbelwind. The Germans determined that the quad 20mm guns on the Wirbelwind just didn't bring down aircraft as well as a single 37mm gun.

The Wirbelwind was cancelled due to it's inefectiveness in favor of the Ostwind.

A little more than 300 ME-163s were produced, the majority were the B model (237 in 1944 and 42 in 1945). The B model was the only operational version with the first operational flight on May 13th, 1944. The first attack by ME-163s was on July 28th, 1944 over Merseburg. The only reason it wasn't used more is production was interrupted and it was pretty much a result of the war coming to a close.

The RV8 isn't for use online. It's there just for fun offline. Those arenas that have it enabled, aren't suppose to.


the reason the Me-163 didn't see more action was that willy messerschmitt took over the project with the intent of controlling a competitor to his 262
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: skycaptn on November 29, 2006, 03:43:16 PM
Does it matter if willy messy wore a pink tu-tu to work everyday and sang like sheryl crow?

Not really that dosent change the fact that these vehicles where practically non-players in the war (and i know about the 152 and the 3 cannon LA7)
These where just illustrations that i choose to use.
This game and every part of your life carrys with it guidlines that you must exsist within to continue..
All im asking HTC to do is let us know what the actually guidelines for planesets are.  If them playing an important part in the war is a guildline then these examples IE.. 163, ostiwind have no place in the game.
If not then what other wonderful gadgets can we possibly get in the future?  Nothing like a good "there will never be those in this game" thread from HTC to shut up the ppl begging for b29's, b25's, P61's ect..
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: VooWho on November 29, 2006, 03:47:07 PM
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Originally posted by VooWho
The only planes that make it to AH are ones that flew during the war and saw some sort of combat.  


Like I stated here, SOME sort of combat. Since the 163 did fly during the war and did see some action it was added to the game. The reason why no P-80, or B-52:huh, or Martin Baker, or F8F, or the Blackburn Firebrand.

The reason why the 163 wasn't used much in the war, was 1) It was hard to land 2)The rockets fuels were very dangerous 3) what Debonair said.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: skycaptn on November 29, 2006, 03:56:49 PM
:confused:


:huh

Ease up on the expensive stuff voodoo
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: RAIDER14 on November 29, 2006, 04:16:30 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
Is this guy for real?


He is noob :lol
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: Ball on November 29, 2006, 04:17:32 PM
The Meteor easily classifies to be in Aces High, the P-80 does not.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: Krusty on November 29, 2006, 04:20:41 PM
I guessed.

Okay then, just for everybody's sake that reads this, and that might.. oh I don't know... search the forums first...

Hitech has said that an aircraft has to have been a production craft (no Ta152C-0, although it saw combat it wasn't a production version), it has to have at least been used in unit strength (Ta152H had exactly 1 unit, 12 craft, operational, and 163s were a helluva lot more numerous than that), and it has to have seen combat during the war (no Bearcats, Tigercats, P80s, Seafire22s, etc, etc)
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: zorstorer on November 29, 2006, 04:25:45 PM
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Originally posted by skycaptn
...All im asking HTC to do is let us know what the actually guidelines for planesets are.  If them playing an important part in the war is a guildline then these examples IE.. 163, ostiwind have no place in the game.
If not then what other wonderful gadgets can we possibly get in the future?  Nothing like a good "there will never be those in this game" thread from HTC to shut up the ppl begging for b29's, b25's, P61's ect..


Read through HiTechs's posts, you will notice he leaves many doors open and only closes them rarely.  Which means he will not tell us what new planes/gvs they are working on till they are almost done or even fully done.  Also he has not told us exactly how they come up with the ENY value for planes/gvs.  Plus the importance of the plane/gv really has nothing to do with what they put in or not.  Just about the only thing you can rely on is that they were in combat action at some point in WW2.  There was a thread awhile back in which HT basically said "some planes are just too fun not to have in the game".

At better tact would be to email them directly and ask away, just don't expect much in the way of solid answers.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: Overlag on November 29, 2006, 05:12:15 PM
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Originally posted by skycaptn
All youve done nothing but proven my point. Thank you..
HTC please eliminate the ostiwind and the Me-163 due to the fact that they SEEM to not fall within the allowable plane set.
HOWEVER if you would be willing to let us know WHAT the allowable plane set is we would GLADLY stop asking for things that you have no intention of ever adding to the game.


where would you stop?

la7 3 gun package should be removed
niki should be removed
?

Me163 DID flight during WWII, P80 did not.  its that simple.

if we wanted "realistic" Me163s that blew up more often then killing buffs, then we would have to have "realistic" planes all around.... that means random engine failures, gun locks etc....

if you dont want a buff mission getting hit by 163s, pork the fuel at the 163 base.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: devil956 on November 29, 2006, 07:47:28 PM
sry peeps didnt kno it didnt serve any and didnt kno it would cause arguments
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: skycaptn on November 30, 2006, 06:51:07 AM
You ppl are looking for a fight im just proving a point.
I dont dislike any of these aircraft.. What im wanting is a clear explanation from HTC for all to see and understand what types of aircraft to be wishing for as opposed to shots in the dark.
You ppl seem obsessed with trying to turn others into fanatical bomb waving kamakazi religious nuts everytime their veiws differ from your own.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: SkyChimp03 on November 30, 2006, 07:05:30 AM
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Originally posted by skycaptn
Does it matter if willy messy wore a pink tu-tu to work everyday and sang like sheryl crow?

Not really that dosent change the fact that these vehicles where practically non-players in the war (and i know about the 152 and the 3 cannon LA7)
These where just illustrations that i choose to use.
This game and every part of your life carrys with it guidlines that you must exsist within to continue..
All im asking HTC to do is let us know what the actually guidelines for planesets are.  If them playing an important part in the war is a guildline then these examples IE.. 163, ostiwind have no place in the game.
If not then what other wonderful gadgets can we possibly get in the future?  Nothing like a good "there will never be those in this game" thread from HTC to shut up the ppl begging for b29's, b25's, P61's ect..


Yawn you have no say here... They allow what planes they want in. You know why? They try to keep the whining to mim and if you put a few dweeb planes everybody whines... So you request and see if its allowed period. End of story please stop posting senseless stuff you hardly know anything about... I think almost everybody will agree with me on this!
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: SuperDud on November 30, 2006, 07:08:53 AM
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Originally posted by skycaptn
begging for b29's, b25's, P61's ect..


We're getting a B29?! SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET!@@!
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: skycaptn on November 30, 2006, 07:30:54 AM
SKYCHIMP your a FREAKING GENIUS!!!!


IM TRYING TO GET HTC TO ENLIGHTEN ME ABOUT THESE SUBJECTS!!!!

WTF do you people think ive been trying to explain to you for the last 10 posts!

HTC for the love of budda please tell us what will be allowed in the plane set and what will not be allowed so that we can have some guidelines to play by.

Actually I dont care who.. HTC, Skuzzy, Pyro the freaking janitor someone from HiTech creations who knows what limitations are being placed on the plane set, please give us an explanation of what the limitations are so that we have a guideline to follow.
Thank you.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: SkyChimp03 on November 30, 2006, 07:57:07 AM
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Originally posted by skycaptn
SKYCHIMP your a FREAKING GENIUS!!!!


IM TRYING TO GET HTC TO ENLIGHTEN ME ABOUT THESE SUBJECTS!!!!

WTF do you people think ive been trying to explain to you for the last 10 posts!

HTC for the love of budda please tell us what will be allowed in the plane set and what will not be allowed so that we can have some guidelines to play by.

Actually I dont care who.. HTC, Skuzzy, Pyro the freaking janitor someone from HiTech creations who knows what limitations are being placed on the plane set, please give us an explanation of what the limitations are so that we have a guideline to follow.
Thank you.


Anything thats faster than most planes...  = NO

Anything that will cause complaints = NO:aok
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: VooWho on November 30, 2006, 08:29:03 AM
Skycaptn we were all just giving u a hard time. Its okay dude. But yeah the planes that will make it to AH are 1) Saw action with atleast 1 formed unit 2) all the stuff that SkyChimp03 and 3) had to be in WW2.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: scottydawg on November 30, 2006, 09:04:12 AM
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Originally posted by skycaptn

HTC for the love of budda please tell us what will be allowed in the plane set and what will not be allowed so that we can have some guidelines to play by.

Actually I dont care who.. HTC, Skuzzy, Pyro the freaking janitor someone from HiTech creations who knows what limitations are being placed on the plane set, please give us an explanation of what the limitations are so that we have a guideline to follow.
Thank you. [/B]


I doubt you'll really get an answer talking like that, HT doesn't really owe you an explanation as to what he decides on or why.  You're a subscriber, not a majority shareholder.

You can ask for any plane your heart desires.  Please just don't go all postal when it doesn't happen.

I would say that in addition to what Overlag and Krusty said, the most important considerations when adding a plane to the set is how it will affect combat, how it compares to existing planes in the set, and whether there is really any value added in the aspect of improving combat, realism and/or diversity.

I would also venture to guess that if the current MA setup is to stay the same in the long term, more early-war and mid-war planes and GVs will be added before late and post-war experimental and non-combat planes, in order to fill out those plane sets.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: Krusty on November 30, 2006, 11:41:17 AM
skycapt, did you read my post? There are 3 criteria required for any possible new plane that might be added in the future. I outlined them for you. Clearly. I even gave examples.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: RTR on December 03, 2006, 10:27:10 AM
So then....are we getting a B92 with frick'n lazer beams or not?
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: Kweassa on December 03, 2006, 10:32:22 AM
This thread kinda proves that stupidity is most likely contagious. Enter a idiot, and the average IQ of the entire thread drops down about 20 points.


ps) SkyChimp, you can get banned for toying around with clueless people.
Title: p-80 shooting star
Post by: nirvana on December 03, 2006, 04:17:56 PM
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Originally posted by RTR
So then....are we getting a B92 with frick'n lazer beams or not?


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