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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: feejeean on November 29, 2006, 08:08:32 PM
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How about the Westland Whirlwind. This saw active service with the RAF during World War 2 and got phased out by the Typhoon.
(http://www.constable.ca/whirlwind.jpg)
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After using the rather hard to master search function of the bbs, there are only 3 other posts asking for this same aircraft in the past 3 months.
Anyone have some duct tape I can borrow???
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Originally posted by zorstorer
After using the rather hard to master search function of the bbs, there are only 3 other posts asking for this same aircraft in the past 3 months.
Anyone have some duct tape I can borrow???
Well ... a big BUMP on a popular aircraft request then :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by feejeean
Well ... a big BUMP on a popular aircraft request then :rolleyes:
Then why not just bump one of those old threads.
I am sure a few of them actually have data on the aircraft.
Not just a "This aircraft would b uber l33t" thread.
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Then why not just bump one of those old threads.
I am sure a few of them actually have data on the aircraft.
Not just a "This aircraft would b uber l33t" thread.
Freedom of post Bud - Unless I've written something really offensive - I dont see whats in my posts thats caused such a big issue - Isnt this a "wish list" !??!?!?! "This aircraft would be uber leet" would be a more than appropriate topic in this forum topic.
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it isnt an issue.... not to 99.999% of us...
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Originally posted by feejeean
Freedom of post Bud - Unless I've written something really offensive - I dont see whats in my posts thats caused such a big issue - Isnt this a "wish list" !??!?!?! "This aircraft would be uber leet" would be a more than appropriate topic in this forum topic.
Ok then post some aircraft data, those that post data usually get a positive response. But just saying we need an aircraft that has been asked for many times in the past is not needed.
But hey if you feel the need to add nothing new, just ask for a b29 maybe even with the n00k. Maybe furball will post his little movie in it. :aok
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pls stop requesting postwar A/C:mad: :mad: :mad: :furious :furious :furious :furious
(http://www.gatwick-aviation-museum.co.uk/whirlwind/graphics/351-1.jpg)
no0Ob:eek: :eek:
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Originally posted by zorstorer
I am sure a few of them actually have data on the aircraft.
Not just a "This aircraft would b uber l33t" thread.
Originally posted by zorstorer in another aircraft request thread where the original poster did nothing but put a picture of an aircraft and the text 'zOMG PWN' as a pitch for its addition:
teh uberzzz, omfg!!
needz it n0w!!
despite your shocking hypocracy, i will only add: hey, go easy on the guy, wouldya man??
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I was actually going to delete everything, but the time limit had passed.
Not sure why I was fired up yesterday, might be the cabin fever from the cold front coming in. I know I could feel it in my government issued refurbished shoulder. :D
It's past now though so lets get on with the honey roasted peanuts for the rest of this flight ;)
:aok
That reply to debonairs post was a slight attempt at some humor :)
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hey im just stickin up for the guy, he prolly doesnt know what a god awefull bastard place this forum is :D
no offence intended man!
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Ok then post some aircraft data, those that post data usually get a positive response. But just saying we need an aircraft that has been asked for many times in the past is not needed.
But hey if you feel the need to add nothing new, just ask for a b29 maybe even with the n00k. Maybe furball will post his little movie in it. :aok
Here u go buddy:aok
The Westland Whirlwind. Entered RAF service in June of 1940. It was HIGHLY manoeuvrable, FASTER than a spitfire at low altitude, and its ARMAMENT of FOUR 20mm cannons in the nose made it a MATCH for any German FIGHTER of the day. Although due to some engine problems only two squadrons were form Nos 137 and Nos 263, and then later converted to the fighter-bomber role as the Whirlwind MK 1A. It had a top speed of 360mph (Remember this is 1940) and a range of 800miles. I think this should be added for BoB and EWA as a medium perked aircraft. This would kick A!
Edit: I've been asking for this plane for sometime now. It meets all AH requirments to be added to the game. It fought, was in 2 squadrons, and was in WW2.
(http://kits.kitreview.com/images/5_dia1.jpg)
(http://www.itteringham.com/Images/363%20Westland%20Whirlwind.jpg)
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It's a good allied alternative to the Bf-110. It even looks purdy.
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It fought, did it? Was it ever in combat? Did it ever get any kills? And it might be a 1940 prototype, but it wasn't actually active til.. what? ... 1942? The engine problems killed it, almost completely.
I wouldn't mind seeing it some day, but it's a total what-if plane. It's like the Ki84 in Ah right now: No bugs, no engine problems, no landing gear that breaks more than it doesn't, etc etc. Historically these problems crippled the plane's effectiveness, but in AH it's almost unbeatable.
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This is from my book.
The Encyclopedia of Aircraft
"Designed Originally as a long-range escort fighter, the Westland Whirlwind first flew on11 October 1938, but did not enter RAF service until June 1940. Its intended powerplant was the Rolls-Royce Merlin, but as this was earmarked for the Spitfires and Hurricans the Rolls-Royce Peregrine - an upgraded version of the Kestrel - was chosen instead. The Whirlwind was highly manoeuvrable, faster than a Spitfire at low altitude, and its armament of four 20mm cannon in the nose made it a match for any German fighter of the day. Continual problems with the engine, however, delayed its service debut; only two squadrons (Nos 137 and 263) were equipped with it. It was later converted to the fighter-bomber role as the Whirlwind MK1A. "
Says it entered service in 1940 just in time for BoB. Did it not start combat tell 42?
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Originally posted by Krusty
It fought, did it? Was it ever in combat? Did it ever get any kills? And it might be a 1940 prototype, but it wasn't actually active til.. what? ... 1942? The engine problems killed it, almost completely.
Yes / Yes, not sure but I would almost bet on it, was used mostly as a fighter-bomber / No, it was a 1938 prototype, first deliveries to squadron in July 40, operational in December 40, was in combat for almost 3 years!
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Then why not just bump one of those old threads.
13- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list.
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(http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/jpg/westland%20whirlwind%20I.jpg)
Heres some more info on this wonderful aeroplane
General characteristics
Crew: One pilot
Length: 32 ft 3 in (9.83 m)
Wingspan: 45 ft 0 in (13.72 m)
Height: 11 ft 7 in (3.53 m)
Wing area: 250 ft² (23 m²)
Empty weight: 8,310 lb (3,770 kg)
Loaded weight: 10,356 lb (4,697 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 11,410 lb (5,175 kg)
Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce Peregrine I Liquid-Cooled V-12, 885 hp (660 kW) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 360 mph (560 km/h)
Range: 808 miles (1,300 km)
Service ceiling: 30,315 ft (9,240 m)
Rate of climb: ft/min (m/min)
Wing loading: 41 lb/ft² (204 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.17 hp/lb (0.28 kW/kg)
Armament
4x Hispano 20 mm cannon in nose (60 rounds per gun, 240 rounds total)
2x 250 lb (115 kg) or 500 lb (230 kg) bombs
This link to all the colour schemes for the Whirlwind in Service
http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/whirlwinds.htm
Excerpt from wikipedia
Philip J.R. Moyes notes in Aircraft in Profile 94: The Westland Whirlwind, “The basic feature of the Whirlwind was its concentration of firepower: its four closely-grouped heavy cannon in the nose had a rate of fire of 600 lb./minute – which, until the introduction of the Beaufighter, placed it ahead of any fighter in the world. Hand in hand with this dense firepower went a first-rate speed and climb performance, excellent manoeuvrablity and a fighting view hitherto unsurpassed. The Whirlwind was, in its day, faster than the Spitfire down low and, with lighter lateral control, was considered to be one of the nicest ‘twins’ ever built… From the flying viewpoint, the Whirlwind was considered magnificent.”
Bruce Robertson, in The Westland Whirlwind Described quotes a 263 Squadron pilot as saying, "It was regarded with absolute confidence and affection.”
At low level, the aircraft was a devastating fighter-bomber, armed with both cannons and bombs, and it could hold its own with the Bf 109 at low-level. The performance of the Peregrine fell off at altitude, so the Whirlwind was used almost exclusively at low level.
The aircraft is well summed up by Francis K. Mason’s comments in Royal Air Force Fighters of World War Two, Vol. One:
“Bearing in mind the relatively small number of Whirlwinds that reached the RAF, the type remained in combat service, virtually unmodified, for a remarkably long time…The Whirlwind, once mastered, certainly shouldered extensive responsibilities and the two squadrons were called upon to attack enemy targets from one end of the Channel to the other, by day and night, moving from airfield to airfield within Southern England.
“In retrospect the lesson of the Whirlwind is clear…A radical aircraft requires either prolonged development or widespread service to exploit its concept and eliminate its weaknesses, Too often in World War II such aircraft suffered accelerated development or limited service, with the result that teething difficulties came to be regarded as permanent limitations.”
Operational service
In the end only 114 Whirlwinds were produced in total, arming two squadrons (No. 263 Squadron RAF in July 1940 and No. 137 Squadron RAF in November 1941). Due to their good low-altitudes performance, they were used primarily as strike fighters and referred to as Whirlybombers. However even this role was soon marginalized with the introduction of the Hawker Typhoon, and the Whirlwind was removed from service in late 1943. Today none exist.
The first Whirlwinds were delivered to No. 263 Squadron in July 1940, after the decision had been made that No. 263, not No. 25, would be the first RAF Whirlwind squadron. However, from then until October, production of the Peregrine engine was so slow that only 11 Whirlwinds could be delivered to the squadron. Due to slow deliveries and the transition from being an operational Hurricane squadron while learning the new fighter, the squadron didn’t become operational with the Whirlwind until December 1940, but flew them until December 1943.
No better proof of the Whirlwind’s quality can be given than the fact that in the intense fighting environment of Northern Europe, a squadron flew the same fighter mark (not fighter type, the same airframes!) for three years. When No. 263 Squadron got its first Whirlwind, the newest Spitfire in service was the Mk. IA; by the time it gave them up, the Mk. XIV was a month away from entering service. If the Whirlwind had been a bad aircraft, it never would have served with Fighter Command for that length of time. A second Whirlwind squadron, No. 137, flew the type from September 1941 until June 1943.
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Don't take this personal, I know it's just an example, but I tell everybody that uses it: Don't trust Wikipedia. Now back to your regularly scheduled posting.
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Originally posted by Ball
13- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list.
I really should have put in the part about aircraft data ;) Thats what I should have said.
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After reading this thread i was interested to see at which point replying to a topic was considered punting, i posted asking about it on General Discussion but i think someone figured it was a troll and immediately locked it.
Oh well.
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Haha your punt got blocked, noob.
:lol
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Originally posted by Stang
Haha your punt got blocked, noob.
:lol
lols
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bit more info - Service introduction began in No 263 Sqn in July 1940 and first 'kill' claimed January 12, 1941
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(http://www.classicairframes.com/articles/images/whirlwindbg_new001.jpg)
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(http://www.classicairframes.com/articles/images/whirlwindbg_new002.jpg)
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(http://www.classicairframes.com/articles/images/whirlwindbg_new004.jpg)
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Originally posted by Stang
Haha your punt got blocked, noob.
:lol
:cry
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Originally posted by feejeean
(http://www.classicairframes.com/articles/images/whirlwindbg_new004.jpg)
The Whirlwind says "im going to ****ing kill you" almost as good as the Typhoon and FW-190.
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The Whirlwind says "im going to ****ing kill you" almost as good as the Typhoon and FW-190.
Yes, true, but in AH it would be more like, "I'm going to ****ing HO you."
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Cockpit
(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/wirl/wirl_000.jpg)
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(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/wirl/wirl_003.jpg)
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(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/wirl/wirl_008.jpg)
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(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/wirl/wirl_007.jpg)
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Originally posted by feejeean
(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/wirl/wirl_008.jpg)
This was a "what if" paint scheme :D
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(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/wirl/wirl_002.jpg)
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Stop posting pics, its just to Dam sexy to look at. I want it so bad. HTC gimme gimme.
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Originally posted by VooWho
Stop posting pics, its just to Dam sexy to look at. I want it so bad. HTC gimme gimme.
:D :D :D
(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/wirl/wirl_004.jpg)
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OMG SO SEXY!!!! This is like the only 4 cannon plane I would fly, I hate the other. Its just to sexy. STOP POSTING PICTURES!!!!! ty