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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: bj229r on December 01, 2006, 10:52:47 PM
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How is each plane's ENY determined?
For instance: Nits outnumber Rooks 78 to 38, bish somewhere in between,,,I see a 109... well it CANT be a K4...(heh heh) ...was. Low jug suffers horribly from K4...(perhaps not in someone else's hands.)
K4--one of fastest, most effective fighters in AH...is a 20---P51d is a 8....P47N is a ...5 (like LA7)?
On what basis are these numbers applied? N carries a lil more ord than 51, but isnt used nearly as much...isnt as fast as 51..DANG sure isnt used as much as LA7....
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At the point when one country has half of the people in one arena, it doesn't really matter what they're flying, IMO. I'd really like to see something happen to improve the situation.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
At the point when one country has half of the people in one arena, it doesn't really matter what they're flying, IMO. I'd really like to see something happen to improve the situation.
Last few days, mostly Rooks have been playing with HT's experimnt in..whatever.that arena is....ok... D9 is 15 eny....jug N is...5..(same as Tempest) .mutter mutter
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ya tonight was way lopsided with rooks having 100, bish and knights with roughly 50 or less. in the other lw arena it was the knights and bish outnumbering the rooks significantly. i don't need numbers to be exactly even, but it was a bit much.
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Dangit nobody cares about the N:cry
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I don't know about the fighters but I would asume they go along similar principals to the bombers.... Usually B-17 is the first to be cut off now if you look at it B-24 has similar guns packs more bombs and faster but is much weaker in the frame than a 17... So I'm guessing that ENY takes into acount many aspects of the plane. Guns, engine/speed, manuverability, durabiulity. all of these things are things that can be measured in AH I think... So while you may think that that 109 is a great fighter in another pilots hands it is garbage (like me) so the system go's by the stats it is programed for.
And also I think that ENY dosn't take into account where you are flying the plane.... I belive the jug should be high and can be a powerhouse with lots of guns and tons of ammo. Where the tempest is a powerhouse almost any where but has far less ammo and I would guess that the jug is built much more tank like as far as durabuility go's than the Temp.
I think ENY values are based on more factors than the average virtual piolt thinks about. Though I could be mistaken..
Just my thoughts.
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Maybe the K-4 is 20 ENY because HT acknowledges that the 30mm is all but useless except for HOs and vulches?
Maybe? Just a thought?
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HMMM thats something I hadnt icluded.. Though it would fall under guns... The german planes do have much crapier balistics than most.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Maybe the K-4 is 20 ENY because HT acknowledges that the 30mm is all but useless except for HOs and vulches?
Maybe? Just a thought?
Well I know I CANT hit anything with them, but virtually every 109 ya see is either an F or a K4---and don't tell Killnu it is useless:eek: --- some people fly the thing, and shoot individual 30mm rounds at people close up, like firing a deer rifle from a moving car, and get tons kills
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Reaching into the dusty distant crannies of a mediocre memory, I seem to recall that at one point HT said he also looks at the total number of deaths in a particular ride...or maybe it was deaths per sortie....or something like that.
In other words, planes are also weighted by their actual success in the arenas. A kind of real world factor, as opposed to the "on paper" strengths and weaknesses.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Maybe the K-4 is 20 ENY because HT acknowledges that the 30mm is all but useless except for HOs and vulches?
Maybe? Just a thought?
lol Krusty please tell that to Creton .
Bronk
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What's a P47N? Is that the big schoolbus-looking plane with the square wings? I think I shot one of those down the other night.
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It got to a point last night where the best fighter we had available was an A6M. What great fun dogfighting 262's and Tempests in an A6M was.
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Figure it like this...1 single ME-109K-4 does not carry enough ord to drop a hangar. It does fight well, but it won't help a steamrolling country as much. The pony and jug, on the other hand, Not only fight, but They also carry enough ord's to enable base captures. Being dual usage is probably the reason for the low eny ratings on those planes(or many of the attack/fighter category rides, as well.)
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Figure it like this...1 single ME-109K-4 does not carry enough ord to drop a hangar. It does fight well, but it won't help a steamrolling country as much. The pony and jug, on the other hand, Not only fight, but They also carry enough ord's to enable base captures. Being dual usage is probably the reason for the low eny ratings on those planes(or many of the attack/fighter category rides, as well.)
That DOES make sense
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I thought ENY was determined to some extent by how much the plane was flown (i.e., its popularity). I vaguely recall something about that somewhere, but I could be wrong.
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Yep Brooke that's how I remember it when they first started it .
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Originally posted by Brooke
I thought ENY was determined to some extent by how much the plane was flown (i.e., its popularity). I vaguely recall something about that somewhere, but I could be wrong.
Brooke...
You may be thinking about perks. I believe (and I admit...I could be wrong :)) that the ENY value of a plane is based on how dominatant the plane can be versus the other planes. That's why the late war planes have a lower ENY than the early war planes.
The perk system is used to prevent the 'overusage' of very dominant late war planes that were only of limited availability in WW2. Well, at least that is my understanding.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Brooke...
You may be thinking about perks. I believe (and I admit...I could be wrong :)) that the ENY value of a plane is based on how dominatant the plane can be versus the other planes. That's why the late war planes have a lower ENY than the early war planes.
The perk system is used to prevent the 'overusage' of very dominant late war planes that were only of limited availability in WW2. Well, at least that is my understanding.
Explain the K4 then .
Bronk
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NoBaddy , :( me bad , yep it was perks I was thinking of .
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IIRC, some planes were adjusted a while back due to usage, and I think the values for some were adjusted again after the new arena setup.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Maybe the K-4 is 20 ENY because HT acknowledges that the 30mm is all but useless except for HOs and vulches?
Maybe? Just a thought?
Hmmm 30mm useless?...You've obviously never fought Stang, wetrat or Bigmax in their tater tossers ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
IIRC, some planes were adjusted a while back due to usage, and I think the values for some were adjusted again after the new arena setup.
most notably C205 & P51B which had an ENY of about 40 before the arena changes