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Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Widewing on December 03, 2006, 11:17:10 AM
I received this e-mail yesterday from an air services company based in Germany.

Dear Sirs,
 
We have found a/c Messerschmitt 110.
If you have interest to this aircraft, please make offer and contact with us.
__________________
Best regards
Anatoly Ryabov
Aviation Services
Germany

www.airmarket.strana.de (http://www.airmarket.strana.de)

No images provided... But, a very interesting find.
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Fruda on December 03, 2006, 11:45:03 AM
No kidding? I'd love to take a lot of pictures and audio samples, but I don't have the money to by the plane...
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Widewing on December 03, 2006, 12:06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Fruda
No kidding? I'd love to take a lot of pictures and audio samples, but I don't have the money to by the plane...


I have no idea of the condition of the plane. It may be a museum sale. It may have been dragged out of a Russian forest and requires a massive restoration. Something only a few like Kermit Weeks can afford to do.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: croduh on December 03, 2006, 12:26:08 PM
I'll buy it only if it comes with guns so i can ho:D
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Reynolds on December 03, 2006, 12:33:49 PM
Ooooooooooohhhhhh!!!!!! Reply! Ask for pictures! Condition! History!
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Widewing on December 03, 2006, 06:21:57 PM
Further update.....


Dear Sirs,
 
 
We have found aircraft  Bf Messerschmitt 110 in Black sea. Aircraft lays on depth of 35 m. We plan to take out it from water in June 2007.

If you have interest to this aircraft, pls  make offer.
We have videofilm 25Mb.
__________________
Best regards
Anatoly Ryabov
Aviation Services
Germany


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: DiabloTX on December 03, 2006, 07:27:00 PM
That's odd.  In the  Messerschmitt 110 owner's manual, on pg. 34 it cleary states, "Nicht für Gebrauch in Wasser."
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Reynolds on December 03, 2006, 08:20:29 PM
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
That's odd.  In the  Messerschmitt 110 owner's manual, on pg. 34 it cleary states, "Nicht für Gebrauch in Wasser."


lol. Not sure exactly what that means, but I get the gist... lol
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Viking on December 03, 2006, 08:21:11 PM
LOL Diablo :rofl
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Lusche on December 03, 2006, 11:08:14 PM
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
That's odd.  In the  Messerschmitt 110 owner's manual, on pg. 34 it cleary states, "Nicht für Gebrauch in Wasser."


:rofl
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: FTJR on December 04, 2006, 12:09:22 AM
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That's odd. In the Messerschmitt 110 owner's manual, on pg. 34 it cleary states, "Nicht für Gebrauch in Wasser."



:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Waffle on December 04, 2006, 12:58:09 AM
tell em you'll give em $800 us dollars and a case of Budweiser.

They pay for shipping.....lol
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Guppy35 on December 04, 2006, 03:08:22 AM
From talking to folks in the warbird world, the folks in Russia are really running a racket with the recovered airframes.

Lots of stuff turning up and being offered to the highest bidder.  Apparently there are lots of hands in between that want their share too.

That being said a few 110s have come out, a number of Hurricane wrecks. P39s, P40s, P63s, a FW189, a 190A5 in remarkable condition, numerous 109 wrecks plus the Russian wrecks.  I've seen photos of a lend lease Spit IX that came out and its at Duxford with the Fighter Collection.

The Hunt brothers in England have the wrecks of 5 P63s, an A20, a Kate and some other Japanese stuff that came out of the Kurile Isles as well as elsewhere in Russia.

Depending on who you ask, the B25 that was interned in Russia from the Doolittle Raid, may or may not still be around. There have been other wrecks found of lend lease stuff as well.  There is some suggestion that a couple of 617 Lancs that were left behind after a Tirpitz raid may have survived, as well as stuff left behind by the USAAF on the shuttle runs.

In the end it all comes down to big bucks....which I don't have :)
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: gripen on December 04, 2006, 05:28:57 AM
There is probably plenty of material still to be found in Russia. Particularly the Siberian route might contain huge amount of wrecks.

gripen
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Charge on December 04, 2006, 05:41:09 AM
Or in Pinsk (Pripet) marshes...

-C+
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Bodhi on December 04, 2006, 07:57:04 AM
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Depending on who you ask, the B25 that was interned in Russia from the Doolittle Raid, may or may not still be around.  


It is around, although not in Russia.
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Guppy35 on December 04, 2006, 10:11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
It is around, although not in Russia.


Any chance of expanding on that? :)

Always wondered about that bird.  What a piece of history.  I understand the USAF Museum was after it at one point.
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Airscrew on December 04, 2006, 10:59:01 AM
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
That's odd.  In the  Messerschmitt 110 owner's manual, on pg. 34 it cleary states, "Nicht für Gebrauch in Wasser."


 :rofl :rofl

Reynolds after four years in Germany I cant speak it but I learned to read some.  Its actually kinda easy, just sound it out phonetically.
Nicht (Not)  für (for) Gebrauch (im guessing "us" no idea) in Wasser (water)

at least thats how I remember it ;)
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: hogenbor on December 04, 2006, 11:52:05 AM
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Originally posted by Airscrew
:rofl :rofl

Reynolds after four years in Germany I cant speak it but I learned to read some.  Its actually kinda easy, just sound it out phonetically.
Nicht (Not)  für (for) Gebrauch (im guessing "us" no idea) in Wasser (water)

at least thats how I remember it ;)



Well I'm Dutch so my German is at least reasonable. It translates into:

'Not for use in water'.

'Gebrauch' means literally 'use'.

But others got it already I guess ;)
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Reynolds on December 04, 2006, 05:39:23 PM
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Originally posted by Airscrew
:rofl :rofl

Reynolds after four years in Germany I cant speak it but I learned to read some.  Its actually kinda easy, just sound it out phonetically.
Nicht (Not)  für (for) Gebrauch (im guessing "us" no idea) in Wasser (water)

at least thats how I remember it ;)


I know nicht, so I got that, and I was able to guess wasser was watter so I was thinking:

"not blah-blah blah-blah water" lol. Thanks hogenbor. Love lerning all the german I can, even these tiny bits.
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: hogenbor on December 05, 2006, 07:53:55 AM
Well, Dutch is rather close to German, but German is grammatically quite different and this makes it difficult to write correctly and to a lesser extent speak it as well.

That having said, I can understand written and spoken German perfectly and can make myself understood in the language, that's enough ;) It is also quite nice to be able to read German aviation books and documents that mystify most Americans :D

Eventhough I work for Siemens, a German company, the official company language is English. No problem there, as most (younger) Germans are fluent enough in the language. Zey just have zis funny accent :D
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: Holden McGroin on December 05, 2006, 09:50:55 PM
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Originally posted by hogenbor
Well, Dutch is rather close to German, but German is grammatically quite different and this makes it difficult to write correctly and to a lesser extent speak it as well.


I worked with a guy who was from Scheveningen, close to the Hague.  He says that just before the invasion, German spys were sent into the Nederlands to stir up trouble and gather intell for the approching invasion.

Dutch police had a card with "Scheveningen" written on it, and when they suspected someone was a German, they pulled out the card and asked that the suspect pronounce the name.  Germans could not get it right, but a born Dutchman could, so those who mispronounced were put in jail.
Title: Messerschmitt 110 found... For sale
Post by: hogenbor on December 06, 2006, 09:07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I worked with a guy who was from Scheveningen, close to the Hague.  He says that just before the invasion, German spys were sent into the Nederlands to stir up trouble and gather intell for the approching invasion.

Dutch police had a card with "Scheveningen" written on it, and when they suspected someone was a German, they pulled out the card and asked that the suspect pronounce the name.  Germans could not get it right, but a born Dutchman could, so those who mispronounced were put in jail.


That's a nice story, but probably an urban myth. The Netherlands were a neutral country before WWII and hoped to remain so. Alas, it was not to be, we were overrun in a mere 4 days :( We had a grand total of one armoured car and a handful of half decent Fokkers, but most of these were destroyed on the ground.

There probably were German spies, but I doubt if they 'stirred up trouble'. I'd be happy to learn more though. The spies who were required to speak fluent Dutch were probably from mixed German/Dutch decent or had ties to German families (which is quite common here).

However, if you're not Dutch, 'Scheveningen' is a ***** to pronounce, that's true.