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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FiLtH on December 04, 2006, 01:40:26 PM
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"Nice HO dweeb!" = Died because he did'nt get out of the way, probably pressing for HO himself.
"Keep runnin ya Dweeb!"= Angry because he is'nt in a fast plane himself.
"10 on me, and you had to come in to kill me? Dweeb!" = Went into a 10 on 1 expecting to live, and takes it out on whoever killed him.
"Quit yankin yer cable Dweeb!"= Unaware that some people have lousy connections.
"Ya keep vulchin me ya dweeb, only way you can kill me!"= Refuses to up a non-vulched base
"Dive bomb the CV ya dweeb!"= Well...that is kinda lame.
"Quit blowin up TT ya dweeb!"= Get up in a plane and defend it.
"Quit shootin over my shoulder ya dweeb!"= Well hurry up and kill the guy.
" Give me a 6 call ya dweeb!"= I rely on others to keep me safe.
" Don't blow up the hangers you dweeb!" = Im not here to capture anything, I just wanna vulch.
" Nice ram dweeb!" = Same as HO dweeb.
"Don't blow up the troops when we are about to capture it ya dweeb!" = Easier to say it rudely than to teach.
How about "Learn to hold your tounge and just play the game ya dweeb!"= It doesnt take much self control to just let things slide, or to instruct someone nicely how the community would prefer something done.
All anyone is saying when they lash out on channel 200 is ..."I'm frustrated that things did'nt go the way I wanted, and now I'm going to berate you on channel 200 so everyone can think less of you, so I can feel better about myself. Remember that the next time you see it.
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I used to get a kick out of it too and was working on a dictionary of my own. Somewhere along the way, I just quit reading the text buffer and lost interest.
Dweeb (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69751&highlight=dweeb)
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i agree with all but dive bombing a cv thats just too much fun not to do:noid
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Hey you sound like Pooface.
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Amen.
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I was the "inspiration" for one of em. Thank you for thinking of me though. I play a game, and was being sarcastic at the time anyways.
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Wait ... why would you not dive bomb a CV. It was historically the best and safest way to attack a carrier.
They found out the hard way at Midway that making torpedo runs in a fighter was nearly futile and highly suicidal.
The only time torpedo runs were used succesfully was at pearl harbor against an enemy that wasn't prepared or manning the guns.
Out on the open ocean against a prepared enemy torpedoe bombers were a huge failure.
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Originally posted by Damionte
The only time torpedo runs were used succesfully was at pearl harbor against an enemy that wasn't prepared or manning the guns.
Out on the open ocean against a prepared enemy torpedoe bombers were a huge failure.
The British had success with torpedo bombers just look up the Taranto raid that effectively removed the Italian Navy from the war and the attack on the Bismark.
The Taranto raid also showed the Japanese that you can launch a coordinated torpedo attack from planes against ships in a shallow harbor. The lessons the Japanese learned from Taranto was later applied to their attack on Pearl Harbor.
The Bismark also took place in open water and was quite well prepared.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by FiLtH
[B [/B]
+1
Dave
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The Bismark also took place in open water and was quite well prepared.
ack-ack
The Bismark was parked. One lucky hit on the steering system was all the damage the planes managed
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
The Bismark was parked. One lucky hit on the steering system was all the damage the planes managed
Actually, the Bismarck was not parked and 1 'lucky' hit was all it took.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
The Bismark was parked. One lucky hit on the steering system was all the damage the planes managed
As NB said, it was in sailing in open waters of the North Sea and that lucky hit from the torpedos launched by the Swordfish bi-planes effectively sealed the fate of the Bismark by jamming the rudders and preventing it from being able to sail to friendly waters with air cover. So yes, without the hit from the Swordfish torpedos the Bismark might have sailed another day.
ack-ack
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Wait ... why would you not dive bomb a CV. It was historically the best and safest way to attack a carrier.
B-24s, B-17s, and Lancasters historically dive bombed carriers ?
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Actually, the Bismarck was not parked and 1 'lucky' hit was all it took.
sometimes all you need is a "lucky" hit.
the captain of the Bismarch, " :furious , you cheater, you haxcr :mad:
you just cost me 1,000 perk points, ":cry :furious I quit "
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
As NB said, it was in sailing in open waters of the North Sea and that lucky hit from the torpedos launched by the Swordfish bi-planes effectively sealed the fate of the Bismark by jamming the rudders and preventing it from being able to sail to friendly waters with air cover. So yes, without the hit from the Swordfish torpedos the Bismark might have sailed another day.
ack-ack
It could turn without rudders. It was parked when it got hit. Do you know how many planes it took to get that one hit on a parked huge target?
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
The Bismark was parked. One lucky hit on the steering system was all the damage the planes managed
????parked????:confused:
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Originally posted by SkyRock
????parked????:confused:
Yea parked, if it had been in Switzerland it would have been in Neutral. ;)
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
It could turn without rudders. It was parked when it got hit. Do you know how many planes it took to get that one hit on a parked huge target?
Seem to recall reading somewhere there was like 11 or 12 Swordfish? I could be mistaken .... its been awhile since i read about the Bismark.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
The Bismark was parked. One lucky hit on the steering system was all the damage the planes managed
Determined to avenge the sinking of Hood, the British committed every possible unit to hunting down Bismarck. During the early evening of 24 May an attack was made by a small group of Swordfish biplane torpedo planes from No. 825 Naval Air Squadron of the aircraft carrier Victorious. One hit was scored, but caused only superficial damage to Bismarck’s armoured belt.
For some time Bismarck remained under long-distance observation by the British. At about 03.00 on 25 May, the ship took advantage of her opponents' zig-zagging and performed an almost three-quarter clockwise turn behind her pursuers to escape towards the east and then south-east. Contact was lost for four hours; however, perhaps in awe of British radar capabilities, it appears that the Germans did not realize their good fortune. For reasons still unclear, Lütjens transmitted a half-hour radio message to HQ, which was intercepted thereby giving the British time to work out roughly where he was heading. However, a plotting error made onboard King George V, now in pursuit of the Germans, incorrectly calculated Bismarck’s position and caused the chase to veer too far north. Bismarck was therefore able to make good time on 25 May/26 May in her unhindered passage towards France and protective air cover and destroyer escort. By now, though, fuel was becoming a major concern to both sides.
The British had a stroke of luck on 26 May. In mid-morning a Coastal Command Catalina reconnaissance aircraft from No. 209 Squadron RAF, which had flown over the Atlantic from its base on Lough Erne in Northern Ireland across a small corridor secretly provided by the Éire government, spotted Bismarck (via her oil-slick) and reported her position to the Admiralty. From then on, the German ship's position was known to the British, although the enemy would have to be slowed significantly if heavy units hoped to engage it out of range of German aircraft protection.
All British hopes were now pinned on Force H, whose main units were the aircraft-carrier Ark Royal, the old battlecruiser Renown and the cruiser Sheffield. This battle-group, commanded by Admiral James Somerville, had been diverted north from Gibraltar.
At dusk that evening, and in atrocious weather conditions, Swordfish from Ark Royal launched an attack. The first wave mistakenly targeted the Sheffield that was by now shadowing the quarry. Although precious time was lost by this incident, it proved beneficial to the British in that the magnetic detonators on the torpedoes used against Sheffield were seen to be defective and for the following attack on Bismarck were replaced by those designed to explode on contact. In a final attack, almost in darkness at around 21.00, a "miracle" hit by a single torpedo (launched by pilot John Moffat's plane) jammed Bismarck's rudder and steering gear. This rendered her virtually unmanoeuvrable, able only to steam in a large circle in the general direction of King George V and Rodney, two frontline battleships that had been pursuing Bismarck from the west. The largest and most powerful warship yet commissioned had now been rendered a sitting-duck by a single aircraft. After extensive efforts to free the jammed rudders, the fleet command finally acknowledged their by-now impossible position in several messages to naval headquarters. Lütjens promised that the ship would fight until its last shell was spent.
The Bismarck was NOT parked at the time it's rudder was deemed "frozen at 12 degrees to port" (I.E. being struck with the one or two fish).
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Its true that torpedo bombers attacking capital ships on the open ocean was not a tactic that lasted past the early years of the war, in the end, it was the carrier based fighters that made it too costly, as torp bombers were just too slow and vulnerable against interception. They had do come in low, and slow, to get into a position to attack. Pre-war thinking didnt take into account what the defending fighters on opposing CVs would do to the torpedo planes.
Dive bombers were not as vulnerable, as they came in with some alt, and dove almost straight down making them hard targets for both flak and fighters. Afterwards, they too were vulnerable to interception but they had a better likelyhood of returning.
...That being said torp bombers did have a few notable successes, in the Atlantic, Med and Pacific. They also had uses in launching strikes on fleets and other ships in harbors. Pearl Harbor is undoubtably the most spectacular success of torp bombers in WW2, but it was not to be repeated.
As for the Swordfish attack on Bismarck, it was only a single squadron, and Bismarck had a full head of steam and manuever when her rudder/stearing was hit.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
It could turn without rudders. It was parked when it got hit. Do you know how many planes it took to get that one hit on a parked huge target?
Once you are wrong, it's best to acknowledge it and move on. The
Tirpitz was "parked" not the Bismarck.
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Yep, mistaking Tirpitz for Bismarck
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Yep, mistaking Tirpitz for Bismarck
I knew that, but wanted him to figure out the error that clouded his judgement. Phan is t3h suk!
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Determined to avenge the sinking of Hood, the British committed every possible unit to hunting down Bismarck. During the early evening of 24 May an attack was made by a small group of Swordfish biplane torpedo planes from No. 825 Naval Air Squadron of the aircraft carrier Victorious. One hit was scored, but caused only superficial damage to Bismarck’s armoured belt.
For some time Bismarck remained under long-distance observation by the British. At about 03.00 on 25 May, the ship took advantage of her opponents' zig-zagging and performed an almost three-quarter clockwise turn behind her pursuers to escape towards the east and then south-east. Contact was lost for four hours; however, perhaps in awe of British radar capabilities, it appears that the Germans did not realize their good fortune. For reasons still unclear, Lütjens transmitted a half-hour radio message to HQ, which was intercepted thereby giving the British time to work out roughly where he was heading. However, a plotting error made onboard King George V, now in pursuit of the Germans, incorrectly calculated Bismarck’s position and caused the chase to veer too far north. Bismarck was therefore able to make good time on 25 May/26 May in her unhindered passage towards France and protective air cover and destroyer escort. By now, though, fuel was becoming a major concern to both sides.
The British had a stroke of luck on 26 May. In mid-morning a Coastal Command Catalina reconnaissance aircraft from No. 209 Squadron RAF, which had flown over the Atlantic from its base on Lough Erne in Northern Ireland across a small corridor secretly provided by the Éire government, spotted Bismarck (via her oil-slick) and reported her position to the Admiralty. From then on, the German ship's position was known to the British, although the enemy would have to be slowed significantly if heavy units hoped to engage it out of range of German aircraft protection.
All British hopes were now pinned on Force H, whose main units were the aircraft-carrier Ark Royal, the old battlecruiser Renown and the cruiser Sheffield. This battle-group, commanded by Admiral James Somerville, had been diverted north from Gibraltar.
At dusk that evening, and in atrocious weather conditions, Swordfish from Ark Royal launched an attack. The first wave mistakenly targeted the Sheffield that was by now shadowing the quarry. Although precious time was lost by this incident, it proved beneficial to the British in that the magnetic detonators on the torpedoes used against Sheffield were seen to be defective and for the following attack on Bismarck were replaced by those designed to explode on contact. In a final attack, almost in darkness at around 21.00, a "miracle" hit by a single torpedo (launched by pilot John Moffat's plane) jammed Bismarck's rudder and steering gear. This rendered her virtually unmanoeuvrable, able only to steam in a large circle in the general direction of King George V and Rodney, two frontline battleships that had been pursuing Bismarck from the west. The largest and most powerful warship yet commissioned had now been rendered a sitting-duck by a single aircraft. After extensive efforts to free the jammed rudders, the fleet command finally acknowledged their by-now impossible position in several messages to naval headquarters. Lütjens promised that the ship would fight until its last shell was spent.
The Bismarck was NOT parked at the time it's rudder was deemed "frozen at 12 degrees to port" (I.E. being struck with the one or two fish).
just wondering if bugsbunney hooked you. Or just not bright enough to google without parents?
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Originally posted by rod367th
just wondering if bugsbunney hooked you. Or just not bright enough to google without parents?
It'll be his "comeback". I'm not the one who said "the Bismarck was parked", HE DID. He got confused in his attempt "to troll another one of Karaya's posts" and he AGAIN got stung. Kinda funny if you ask me.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I knew that, but wanted him to figure out the error that clouded his judgement. Phan is t3h suk!
I may be t3h suk!, but at least I know the way to Candy Mountain! :D
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one of the reasons the swordfish aircraft had such good "luck" was bismark's new "elite" AAA guns couldn't effectively follow such a slow moving target.... Ie it was designed with 200mph torpedo bombers in mind, not the 90mph swordfish.
....at least that's what i read somewhere... could be just a myth. :)
the ship also didn't sink by enemy fire, only 1 shell passed through the ship below the waterline. The British got too close when they wanted to finish it off, and most shots made dents on the hull... a long range diving shot would have been needed its what killed hood... terrible deck armour, and a shell landing at around 40degrees through the deck and into magazine.
one of the only other holes through the main hull was from the encounter with Hood and Prince of Wales. A shell from Prince of Wales went through the bow, causing her to loose fuel, and reduce speed.
most of the damage from shells was to the superstructure.
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Originally posted by Rino
I may be t3h suk!, but at least I know the way to Candy Mountain! :D
:rofl
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Ive read its possible the Bismarck may have taken upwards of 400 large caliber rounds. Thats 14"/16" variety.
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Regardless of the final cause of the Bismark's sinking, it cannot be denied that her fate was sealed by those torpedos that were dropped by the attacking Swordfishes. It also cannot be argued that it was "parked" like a certain waskely wabbit claimed.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Ive read its possible the Bismarck may have taken upwards of 400 large caliber rounds. Thats 14"/16" variety.
was about 2800 infact ;)
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Yeah, the Bismarck was a mess when they finished with her. But I
think it was the Dorsetshire's torpedos that finished the job.
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Originally posted by Damionte
Wait ... why would you not dive bomb a CV. It was historically the best and safest way to attack a carrier.
I would have to see historical documentation before I could buy that.
As for in the game, B26's level at 8K work out pretty well.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Yea parked, if it had been in Switzerland it would have been in Neutral. ;)
:rofl
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hehe yeah i loved Airscrew's comment!
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Originally posted by Damionte
The only time torpedo runs were used succesfully was at pearl harbor against an enemy that wasn't prepared or manning the guns.
Nonsence.
Originally posted by Damionte
Out on the open ocean against a prepared enemy torpedoe bombers were a huge failure.
Coordinated dive and torpedo bombers attacks with fighter cover had a great success many times during WW2. Torpedo bombers w/o cover was easy preys for enemy fighters, but AA guns only cannt stop them. Read about Prince Of Wales and Repulse deaths for example or battle at Leyte.
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Many of our CVs were hit by aerial torpedo in most of the early CV battles. Those that werent were hit by sub torpedos, and many CA and DDs were whacked by DD and CA torpedos.
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Originally posted by Oleg
Nonsence.
Coordinated dive and torpedo bombers attacks with fighter cover had a great success many times during WW2. Torpedo bombers w/o cover was easy preys for enemy fighters, but AA guns only cannt stop them. Read about Prince Of Wales and Repulse deaths for example or battle at Leyte.
I thought the Prince of Wales and Repulse were sunk by land based
level bombers..Nells?
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The Swordfish attacked with impunity as the newer guns on the Bismark could not be tracked slow enough to track the older aircraft. Bismark even fired it's big guns trying to bring down the low flying Swordfish with splashes. Pretty amazing any way you look at it.
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Originally posted by Rino
I thought the Prince of Wales and Repulse were sunk by land based
level bombers..Nells?
It was twin engine bombers using torpedos.
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Filth
That crap is exactly why I never monitor ch 200!
Heck, I suck, I know that I suck and don't need anybody telling me about it, especially if they suck more that I do. roflol.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by Rino
I thought the Prince of Wales and Repulse were sunk by land based
level bombers..Nells?
They was attacked by both level bombers and torpedo bombers, but almost all damage was done by torpedos.
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Perk the Swordfish!!!!!
oh....we don't have it :(
:p
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Jay I love being able to talk on 200, its fun most times, seeing funny folks talking about stuff, or saying wtg, its just the same 50 or so people that pollute it.
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whats this cable pulling business? I have been hearing more and more of this in the arenas these past few weeks. Seems whenever anyone warps more tha once they get accused of cable yanking, or signal tossing...whatever.
I rather suspect that when you disconnect your cable connection you lose connection to the server?
Whats the beef?
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Originally posted by rod367th
just wondering if bugsbunney hooked you. Or just not bright enough to google without parents?
Nah, the bunny was wrong.