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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 47Hooker on December 04, 2006, 01:44:04 PM
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OMG! I was target practicing with my M1911A1 .45 at about 25 yds. Afterwards, I was walking back to the house and heard a squirrel raising hell in a nearby tree. I walked closer to about 25 yds and drew a bead on it thinking....no way, but what the hell, its still there. BOOM. The squirrel hit the ground before the shell casing did.:aok
This one will not be making it to the stew pot:D
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why do people feel the need to shoot any wildlife that dare make itself known to them? what is the benefit of killing something like that?
damn cavemen.
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Stop jumping aorund so much, Ball. You're spoiling my aim.
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Lucky you got him before he got you... ....sport.
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[sarcasm]Everyone knows you can't hit anything with a .45 at 25 yds.[/sarcasm]
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For food. And it did make itself known to me. Countless others have too. They were cooked and eaten. This one would have been too if it had been a cleaner shot.
Unless you eat rocks and sand, EVERTHING you eat was killed. Be it animal or vegetable. KILLED for you to eat. You may not have, but someone did.
Don't even go there.
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must suck to have to shoot squirrels to eat
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here ya go furball
PETA PANSY (http://www.peta.com)
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Originally posted by megadud
here ya go furball
PETA PANSY (http://www.peta.com)
Hooker... may i suggest something else small and squeaky to shoot with your .45... :D ^
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Personally i love animals they looked cute next to my mashed potatos and they taste geat:rofl
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Originally posted by 47Hooker
For food. And it did make itself known to me. Countless others have too. They were cooked and eaten. This one would have been too if it had been a cleaner shot.
Unless you eat rocks and sand, EVERTHING you eat was killed. Be it animal or vegetable. KILLED for you to eat. You may not have, but someone did.
Don't even go there.
BS.. you shot it for fun and didn't need to. Clean shot? With a .45 on a squirrel? LOL.
"I got the rat with the bazooka, unfortunately there wasn't enough left for a fondue party, maybe next time."
:aok
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My Kimber shoots 2" or less groups at 25 yards. I would have known I could have hit the little rodent.
I got nothing against tree squirrles and do all my hunting at safeway these days but.... ground squirrles? shoot every one I can.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
BS.. you shot it for fun and didn't need to. Clean shot? With a .45 on a squirrel? LOL.
Yup.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I got nothing against tree squirrles and do all my hunting at safeway these days but.... ground squirrles? shoot every one I can.
lazs
Aren't they a pest species in CA?
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yes.
lazs
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Reminds me of a talk I had with my dad about 20 years ago. When I was stationed in Idaho we used to go out to the desert and shoot whistle pigs (Thompson ground squirels, kinda like small pararie dogs) there were hundreds of them everywhere during the spring and summer and I and my shootin buddies would take our guns (take my marlin .22 with 3x9 bushnell) and go shooting. We'd kill about 20 or so at a time. anyway my dad came for a visit and we were talking one day and one of the guys came by to see if I wanted to go shooting. We were talking and he said something like
"so what do you do with these whistle pigs after you shoot them"
"Huh, nothing, its just target practice really"
"oh, so you dont eat them?"
"Huh, no they're to small"
"so why do you need to kill these squirrels"
"well, they make a lot of holes in the ground and the cows come along and step in the holes and they can break their legs"
"Hmmm, sounds like fun, very sporting :rolleyes: "
(i think he may have actually rolled his eyes.) well it made me think. My dad knows I hunted, shot deer, duck, coyotes, grouse, and rabbits. but in all those cases we ate what we shot. I have a lot of respect for what my dad thinks and Lets just say that I decided not to use small animals I dont plan to eat as target practice, unless of course its a snake. only recently have I stopped to identify the snake before I kill it, cotton mouth or rattlesnake its gonna die, bull and garter snakes have free passage.
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so what part of "destructive pests" did your friend not get?
What we do here in kalifornia is mostly just use poison grain on em. they eat it then wander off and die a horrible death... I am not sure if this is any more "sporting" than shooting em but shooting em at least is good target practice for handguns.
as for eating em... the buzzards and other critters eat em. They got to eat too.
lazs
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we used to shoot the hell out of raccoons at my deer lease but we traded them to an old man down the road for moonshine;)
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Squirrels are way over populated here. They are destructive and will eat the wires out of your car. They get in attics and tear up insulation and wiring. If anyone here has a genuine problem with killing them, I will glady catch them live and send every one to you to release around your house and cars.:) (come out N.I.M.B.Y.'s)
Yes, I kill every one I see. If it is a clean kill, it can be eaten like rabbits, deer, wild hog, turkey, dove and even some snakes. These are things every man should know how to do. We are all hunter-gatherers. The instinct is in you as well, that is why you play this here game and not online bingo.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so what part of "destructive pests" did your friend not get?
What we do here in kalifornia is mostly just use poison grain on em. they eat it then wander off and die a horrible death... I am not sure if this is any more "sporting" than shooting em but shooting em at least is good target practice for handguns.
as for eating em... the buzzards and other critters eat em. They got to eat too.
lazs
Not sure who you were talking to, but if it was me,
1. it was my dad.
2. It was 1985 and I dont remember if in Idaho they were classified as a destructive pest. I do remember lots of people complaining about them overrunning the golf course.
I dont have a problem with anyone shooting destructive pests. If I owned or leased the land and had cattle on said land and I was worried about destructive pests or diseases those pests carry then I would either go shoot the small, defensless little pests myself or have someone do it for me. I just decided that they didnt threaten me and I didnt need to kill them anymore.
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I have adopted a "dont kill anything that doesnt need to be killed" attitude. This includes insects and even individual blades of grass. However, once I have determined that a need to kill does exist, I pursue the game with all possible enthusiasm and determination.
A few years back I was out target shooting in the nearby foothills and just as I was about ready to quit for the day I decided to take a long shot with my Glock19 (9mm) at a 5 gallon empty Jerry can on trail on a hill probably a good 250 yards away and maybe 50 feet above my elevation. I took deliberate aim and fired off one round hitting the Jerry can and making it fall down a few feet from where it originally rested. I took two more shots and each time I hit that silly jerry can. Pistols, when aimed slowly and deliberately can reach out a good ways.
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I have the attitude, "If it ain't bothering me, I ain't gonna bother it".
We have a ton of squirrels in my neighborhood, but if you kill one, your likely to get strung up by the neighbors.
You see, the squirrels do us a service, in our neighborhood. The area is loaded with pecan trees. The squirrels haul off these pecans as fast as they ripen. Everyone is grateful for it. Keeps the neighborhood clear of dead pecans all over the place.
The cats have fun chasing them too. Good exercise for the cat.
Never had a problem with car wiring or them getting into anyone's attic. I suppose they like where they live as the neighborhood allows that area to remain natural. Periodically, we clear it a bit, but they do not seem to mind.
I guess we have struck a symbiotic bargain with the little critters. They keep the nuts off the streets and we keep their yard cleared. NOw if we could train em to keep the real nuts off the streets, we would have it really good. :)
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As a kid, I used to shoot red squirrels all the time, skin them, and tan the hides. Had probably over 100 of these hides. Threw them all away when we moved. (shrugs)
Red squirrels are pests in Minnesota.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I have the attitude, "If it ain't bothering me, I ain't gonna bother it".
We have a ton of squirrels in my neighborhood, but if you kill one, your likely to get strung up by the neighbors.
You see, the squirrels do us a service, in our neighborhood. The area is loaded with pecan trees. The squirrels haul off these pecans as fast as they ripen. Everyone is grateful for it. Keeps the neighborhood clear of dead pecans all over the place.
The cats have fun chasing them too. Good exercise for the cat.
Never had a problem with car wiring or them getting into anyone's attic. I suppose they like where they live as the neighborhood allows that area to remain natural. Periodically, we clear it a bit, but they do not seem to mind.
I guess we have struck a symbiotic bargain with the little critters. They keep the nuts off the streets and we keep their yard cleared. NOw if we could train em to keep the real nuts off the streets, we would have it really good. :)
Squirrels get run over in my neighborhood usually takes the city a day or 2 to come get the pancake off the road
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Happens here as well. Grapevine is pretty good about getting it picked up though.
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The wife and I rescue squirrels. we have raised 5 so far from babies - feeding them every 4 hours when they are young to releasing them in the backyard where they come back with the neighborhood squirrels which we enjoy hand feeding also ..
after I shot and killed a red-headed wooddonut with a pellet gun at the age of about 14 which made me sick to my stomach right after I did it, I swore I’d never kill uselessly again..
here's rocko - we released him 3 years ago:
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/rocko.jpg)
the grandbaby and the cage I built:
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/cage.jpg)
rocko and squirrel crack: peanut
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/rocko2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Eagler
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Awww! So cute! I'd never shoot a grey squirrel. They don't do the damage that a red squirrel will do to a cabin when unoccupied.
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Oh, and a present for 47hooker. :D
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/210741470.jpg)
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I like squirrel fried like southern fried chicken. Tastes great. I have never shot one though. I have shot Jack rabbits in New Mexico where they are a serious pest. I felt bad afterward. It was just killing. Havn't done that since. I have always had a problem pulling the trigger on deer. I quit hunting deer.
I can enjoy hunting and eating birds. I enjoy fishing and eating what I catch. I could probably enjoy hunting and eating squirrel, just never have but I don't think I will ever kill something just for target practice again. There would have to be a really good reason before I did.
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Rip,
You want to move that target up north to the head. That's when you have something left to eat.
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i've never had any problems with our Greys ... I feed them all the time and have had alot of them hand trained to come take food .
the neibors are complaining about us using them to subvert their cats though .
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/301_1164585954_squirrel1_1.jpg)
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Originally posted by 47Hooker
For food. And it did make itself known to me. Countless others have too. They were cooked and eaten. This one would have been too if it had been a cleaner shot.
Unless you eat rocks and sand, EVERTHING you eat was killed. Be it animal or vegetable. KILLED for you to eat. You may not have, but someone did.
Don't even go there.
You killed for sport, face it.
.45 vs squirrel, no wonder who's gonna win at 25yds or less.
I just think it's ashame someone prefers to gloat about killing something so small with something so large..
Back to my steaks..
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Originally posted by Eagler
The wife and I rescue squirrels. we have raised 5 so far from babies - feeding them every 4 hours when they are young to releasing them in the backyard where they come back with the neighborhood squirrels which we enjoy hand feeding also ..
I use to rescue squirrels and raccoons, still do occasionaly when they come into the animal hospital..
We've done about 12 squirrels and have also done 5 raccoons, 2 released themselves into the wild, 1 was a hit and run baby, who was blind and later adopted by someone, and two were a good old fashion release..
We've only lost 3 squirrels, and all of them were pinkies..
We did 4 squirrels at once one time... Never ever again... ever..
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Rats, cockroaches, mosquitos, flies, poisonous snakes and pigeons all play some sort of role in the ecosystem. The fact is, we really don't know the extent of these animals' effect because we've never lived in a total absence of them. The day we're deprived, completely, of any of the aforementioned creatures, or any number of other unsavory species, might well be a bad day for humanity. There simply is no way to tell the full extent of what they do for us, until whatever it is, is gone compeltely.
That being said, I think that some of the people here rallying behind the bushy-tailed squirrel are simply prejudiced towards cute critters. Yeah, okay, they can do nice chores for us. So do ants, and yet when was the last time somebody here lost sleep, or vomited, after stepping on a couple dozen of them feasting on a dead cricket? When was the last time somebody here got upset and posted mean smilies in response to another forum member dousing a colony of pill-bugs with RAID, or impaled a living worm on a hook?
Putting up photos of them is great and all, and I commend your passion, but, in the end, I doubt if the squirrel knows that it's cute, and in a logical world, it would not matter.
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Squirrels are the evil in the world. Kill them all and this story shows why.
The Squirrel Of Death
I never dreamed that slowly cruising on my motorcycle through a
residential neighborhood could be so incredibly dangerous! Little did I
suspect.
I was on Brice Street - a very nice neighborhood with perfect lawns and
slow traffic. As I passed an oncoming car, a brown furry missile shot
out from under it and tumbled to a stop immediately in front of me.
It was a squirrel, and it must have been trying to run across the road
when it encountered the car. I really was not going very fast, but there
was no time to brake or avoid it -- it was that close.
I hate to run over animals, and I really hate it on a motorcycle, but a
squirrel should pose no danger to me. I barely had time to brace for the
impact.
Animal lovers, never fear. Squirrels, I discovered, can take care of
themselves!
Inches before impact, the squirrel flipped to his feet. He was standing
on his hind legs and facing my oncoming Valkyrie with steadfast resolve
in his beady little eyes. His mouth opened, and at the last possible
second, he screamed and leapt! I am pretty sure the scream was squirrel
for, "Banzai!" or maybe, "Die you gravy-sucking, heathen scum!" The leap
was nothing short of spectacular...
He shot straight up, flew over my windshield, and impacted me squarely
in the chest. Instantly, he set upon me. If I did not know better, I
would have sworn he brought 20 of his little buddies along for the
attack.
Snarling, hissing, and tearing at my clothes, he was a frenzy of
activity. As I was dressed only in a light T-shirt, summer riding
gloves, and jeans, this was a bit of cause for concern. This furry
little tornado was doing some damage!
Picture a large man on a huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in
jeans, a T-shirt, and leather gloves, puttering at maybe 25 mph down a
quiet residential street, and in the fight of his life with a squirrel.
And losing... I grabbed for him with my left hand. After a few misses, I
finally managed to snag his tail. With all my strength, I flung the evil
rodent off to the left of the bike, almost running into the right curb
as I recoiled from the throw.
That should have done it. The matter should have ended right there. It
really should have. The squirrel could have sailed into one of the
pristinely kept yards and gone on about his business, and I could have
headed home. No one would have been the wiser But this was no ordinary
squirrel. This was not even an ordinary angry squirrel.
This was an EVIL MUTANT ATTACK SQUIRREL OF DEATH!
Somehow he caught my gloved finger with one of his little hands and,
with the force of the throw, swung around and with a resounding thump
and an amazing impact, he landed squarely on my BACK and resumed his
rather antisocial and extremely distracting activities. He also managed
to take my left glove with him! The situation was not improved. Not
improved at all.
His attacks were continuing, and now I could not reach him. I was
startled, to say the least. The combination of the force of the throw,
only having one hand (the throttle hand) on the handlebars, and my
jerking back unfortunately put a healthy twist through my right hand and
into the throttle. A healthy twist on the throttle of a Valkyrie can
only have one result. TORQUE. This is what the Valkyrie is made for, and
she is very, very good at it. The engine roared and the front wheel left
the pavement.
The squirrel screamed in anger. The Valkyrie screamed in ecstasy. I
screamed in .. well . I just plain screamed.
Now picture a large man on a huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in
jeans, a slightly squirrel-torn T-shirt, wearing only one leather glove,
and roaring at maybe 50 mph and rapidly accelerating down a quiet
residential street on one wheel, with a demonic squirrel of death on his
back. The man and the squirrel are both screaming bloody murder. With
the sudden acceleration I was forced to put my other hand back on the
handlebars and try to get control of the bike.
This was leaving the mutant squirrel to his own devices, but I really
did not want to crash into somebody's tree, house, or parked car. Also,
I had not yet figured out how to release the throttle. my brain was just
simply overloaded. I did manage to mash the back brake, but it had
little effect against the massive power of the big cruiser.
About this time the squirrel decided that I was not paying sufficient
attention to this very serious battle (maybe he was an evil mutant NAZI
attack squirrel of death), and he came around my neck and got INSIDE my
full-face helmet with me.
As the faceplate closed part way, he began hissing in my face. I am
quite sure my screaming changed intensity. It had little effect on the
squirrel, however. The RPMs on the Dragon maxed out (since I was not
bothering with shifting at the moment), so her front end started to
drop.
Now picture a large man on a huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in
jeans, a very raggedly torn T-shirt, wearing only one leather glove,
roaring at probably 80 mph, still on one wheel, with a large puffy
squirrel's tail sticking out of the mostly closed full-face helmet. By
now, the screams are probably getting a little hoarse. Finally I got the
upper hand ... I managed
to grab his tail again, pulled him out of my helmet, and slung him to
the left as hard as I could. This time it worked...sort-of.
Spectacularly sort-of...so to speak.
Picture a new scene. You are a cop. You and your partner have pulled off
on a quiet residential street and parked with your windows down to do
some paperwork.
Suddenly a large man on a huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in
jeans, a torn T-shirt flapping in the breeze, and wearing only one
leather glove, moving at probably 80 mph on one wheel, and screaming
bloody murder, roars by, and with all his strength throws a live
squirrel grenade directly into your police car.
I heard screams. They weren't mine...
I managed to get the big motorcycle under control and dropped the front
wheel to the ground. I then used maximum braking and skidded to a stop
in a cloud of tire smoke at the stop sign of a busy cross street.
I would have returned to 'fess up (and to get my glove back). I really
would have. Really...
Except for two things.
First, the cops did not seem interested or the slightest bit concerned
about me at the moment. When I looked back, the doors on both sides of
the patrol car were flung wide open. The cop from the passenger side was
on his back, doing a crab walk into somebody's front yard, quickly
moving away from the car. The cop who had been in the driver's seat was
standing in the street, aiming a riot shotgun at his own police car. So,
the cops were not interested in me. They often insist on "letting the
professionals handle it" anyway.
That was one thing. The other?
Well, I could clearly see shredded and flying pieces of foam and
upholstery from the back seat. But I could also swear I saw the squirrel
in the back window, shaking his little fist at me.
That is one dangerous squirrel. And now he has a patrol car. A somewhat
shredded patrol car...but it was all his.
I took a deep breath, turned on my turn-signal, made a gentle right turn
off of Brice Street, and sedately left the neighborhood. I decided it
was best to just buy myself a new pair of gloves...and a whole lot of
Band-Aids.
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Oooooooh, that was wrong ripsnort. I just ran the color ink out on my printer:rofl
Seriously though, Eagler: those are some nice pictures. My GF had a pet squirrel years ago that she raised from a baby after it fell out of a nest. Now, years later after she saw the hole chewed through the siding on the chimney, and the hole chewed in the ceiling in her parent's house, she tells me when she sees one outside within range.
Repairs have been made and they are not in the attic anymore, but given the chance, they WILL invade your house/car. They like warmth and shelter too, somtimes at the costly expense of your property.
That is why they have a bounty on them around here. I have passed up easy shots on all kinds of birds, woodchucks and even snakes (known-friendlies). Those have not caused damage to my property.
I posted it because to me, it was an odd shot. Open fixed sights on a gov't .45 with a small target at 25 yds first shot. Not to start a debate, brag or gloat on killing or hunting, but like many seemingly innocent posts here, someone runs with it.
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When I was a kid, my brother and I used to shoot birds around the backyard with our BB guns.
A friend came by and was horrified that we would shoot the birds. We had pump guns, kinda powerful ( 880s I think)
Well, a bird had just landed on the tv antenna on the roof and I got my little brothers gun. It was so weak, you could probably throw the bb faster. It was a single shot.......fold the barrel in half, stick one bb in there and **** it.
I talked my friend into taking a shot with this pathetic gun at the bird on the antenna. I assured him that it was an impossible shot with that gun, plus he never even shot one before.
So he takes the shot and nailed the bird dead in the neck. It rolled down the roof and into the yard. I was in tears laughing. He was in shock. Poor guy was upset.
I outgrew killing stuff for no reason though.
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Hornet,
That is an absolute classic and I still laugh at it. Thanks.
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Maverick
Rip,
You want to move that target up north to the head. That's when you have something left to eat.
With a .45 slug, would it matter? :rofl
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Yes it would, It's just a chunk of lead moving at 750 to 900 FPS not a thermonuke.
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Just like a bowling ball except a little smaller and moving a little faster.
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Got a cottontail rabbit @ 35 yds with my .357, clean head shot, while deer hunting couple years back. Neither the rabbit nor the deer the next day survived our encounters. They were both delicious:D :D :D :D :D
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Originally posted by Maverick
Yes it would, It's just a chunk of lead moving at 750 to 900 FPS not a thermonuke.
Given a hollow point, and a target that size, it might as well be thermonuclear. ;)
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Not enough mass or resistance to expand the hollow point.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Not enough mass or resistance to expand the hollow point.
The hydrostatic shock would turn em inside out, though....................... .............
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If it went end for end but not from a side shot.
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Ohfercripessake!
47Hooker, did you use a hollowpoint and if so, did the critter explode?
Don't forget to post the wind speed/direction, air temperature, barometer, ballistic coefficient of the projectile you fired, your barrel land/groove diameters and slow-motion Kennedy assassination conspiracy type footage of the rodent's demise.
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Originally posted by 47Hooker
OMG! I was target practicing with my M1911A1 .45 at about 25 yds. Afterwards, I was walking back to the house and heard a squirrel raising hell in a nearby tree. I walked closer to about 25 yds and drew a bead on it thinking....no way, but what the hell, its still there. BOOM. The squirrel hit the ground before the shell casing did.:aok
This one will not be making it to the stew pot:D
Heh went hunting last weekend with a buddy of mine, didn;t get anything, didnt see anyting, for 4 hours...not a single thing, including my friend. I hear some rustling below me and over the 2-way I hear him ask me? Hey, is that you up there?
Not knowing where he was, I of course said "yeah, it's me.
"good," he says. "For a minute there, I thought I saw one of those rare, orange bellied tree deer"
thanks, ******* :)
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(http://www.zewebanim.com/images/Looneytunes/elmerfudd-wallpaper1.jpg)
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I made a slight error a few years ago when i switched from a crossbow to a compound bow.
I was in a tree stand one morning surrounded by squirrels and not seeing hide nor hair of a deer all morning. One fox squirrel climbed the tree ahead of me about 20 yards away and stood there ho humming. Being new to this particular bow I was dying to use it in the field. I switched to a field tip arrow and took careful aim after drawing back.
Sure enough I hit the squirrel. I climbed down the tree when my dad walked out into the field ahead of me and as I was going to proudly show him my kill and brag about my excellent shooting ability it dawned on me...
I had pinned the squirrel to the tree. 25 feet above me. In a tree impossible to get up into with anything short of a hoverpack.
There went $15 worth of arrow and tip. I call it tuition.
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Originally posted by Golfer
I made a slight error a few years ago when i switched from a crossbow to a compound bow.
I was in a tree stand one morning surrounded by squirrels and not seeing hide nor hair of a deer all morning. One fox squirrel climbed the tree ahead of me about 20 yards away and stood there ho humming. Being new to this particular bow I was dying to use it in the field. I switched to a field tip arrow and took careful aim after drawing back.
Sure enough I hit the squirrel. I climbed down the tree when my dad walked out into the field ahead of me and as I was going to proudly show him my kill and brag about my excellent shooting ability it dawned on me...
I had pinned the squirrel to the tree. 25 feet above me. In a tree impossible to get up into with anything short of a hoverpack.
There went $15 worth of arrow and tip. I call it tuition.
Just tell everyone it's a warning to the other rodents )
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the grandbaby and the cage I built:
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/cage.jpg)
well its not a very good cage, she's clearly escaped dude, tried putting her on a leash and fastening it to a stake in the ground, then she can run a round a little.
:p
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Originally posted by VOR
Ohfercripessake!
47Hooker, did you use a hollowpoint and if so, did the critter explode?
No. 230gr FMJ. Side shot, clean. Tore the meat up though. I usually get them with a scope-equipped .22 in the head. That way they can be cleaned and eaten. If not, they are given to the beasts of the field and the vulchers of the air as a prey;)
I guess I should have mentioned that I live WAY out in the country. The way some people react I guess they think I shot it off of a bird bath at the local playground in a housing area while little kids and old ladies were throwing bits of stale bread at it.
I'm out in the sticks and squirrels are everywhere. I counted 18 in one spot once. (before they went on the list:t ) What's done here is no different that setting a mouse trap or putting out poison for rats in your garage. These are just tastier.
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ok... I have shot a lot of ground squirrles with 44 mags and 22's out of handguns.
With a 250 grain slug at 1200-1300 fps the 44 is a thermonuke next to the 230 grain 45 acp at 800 fps but..
I have hit em square and they sometimes don't even show much of a wound... other times they will rip in half with one end flying 6-10 ft away. depends..
these are ground squirrles.. they destroy crops and are a danger to levees and animals.. they are no personal threat to me but I do have to poison em as part of my job to protect my levees... I would rather shoot em tho because...
well... It is good target practice. very good target practice. I feel that shooting them is a lot better way for them to die than the poison... when I think of it at all. mostly, I just think it is good target practice.
I am sure that poisonous snakes have a role to play too but.... not around me. I will take whatever their being gone brings.
I used to enjoy shooting rats at the dump when that was allowed too. Live vermin have allways been a favorite reactive target for me.
lazs
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Hehe Lazs, that reminds me of a funny story.
My dad was in the RCMP "back in the day" and shortly after his first posting he was out at the dump on duty dispatching a porcupine that was being aggressive for some reason (rabies?)
Anyway, at that time, each RCMP member upon graduating was issued 6 .38 SP silver bullets. Not sure if they still do this.
He had his silver bullets loaded that day for some odd reason and, yup forgetting that he had his silvers loaded, he shot the porcupine...with a silver bullet.
OOPS!
:lol
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I don't know why anyone would have a problem with someone legally taking game. In south Florida, small game includes grey squirrels, dove, rabbit, quail, snipe, and woodcock, opposum, coyotes and armadillo. It is the educated managment of wildlife populations. I feel that wanton killing is wrong, so if I don't eat it - or try to it eat it, or keep the hide, or feed it to my cats, it walks. My 12 year old kid knows that this is the "Indian" way.
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Anyway, at that time, each RCMP member upon graduating was issued 6 .38 SP silver bullets. Not sure if they still do this.
I think Canada got its Werewolf population under control in the 1990s. They might still issue them out of tradition though.
Charon
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Originally posted by lazs2
ok... I have shot a lot of ground squirrles with 44 mags and 22's out of handguns.
With a 250 grain slug at 1200-1300 fps the 44 is a thermonuke next to the 230 grain 45 acp at 800 fps but..
I have hit em square and they sometimes don't even show much of a wound... other times they will rip in half with one end flying 6-10 ft away. depends..
LOL. If I wanted to blow them apart, I would hunt them with my .357. Got some reloads with 158gr SJHP. A buddy of mine said he chrono'd them at over 1800fps! I shot a 5 gal bucket full of water with one and it exploded. The mushroomed round was imbeded in an oak tree behind it:O That's approaching rifle velocity. A squirrel would be a red mist.
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If we're not supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?
Great story Hornet.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Yes it would, It's just a chunk of lead moving at 750 to 900 FPS not a thermonuke.
one hunting trip, me using .32 Winchester trapper, friend using 7mm x something or other, might have been a 6mm too. Anyway I missed my deer, he didnt. so we dress it out and then try to decide drag it 200 yards or so back up the hill or drag it down the hill half a mile to the next road. We opt for downhill. on the way down we ran across some grouse. I have my .32, no pistol, that I usually carry but not on this day :rolleyes:
My friend says too bad we'll have to pass cause both our guns are just to big for something so small as grouse. I see it as a challenge, the grouse are only about 40 feet away. I sit down, take aim (iron sights at that time) very carefully put the sights on its head and squeeze, pow, headless grouse. I'm amazed, it was so easy. the grouse of course not being very bright birds only go a few feet and stop again. Well that was so eazy I figure I'll get a second one. Aim again, squeeze, pow, poof, nothing but feathers explode everywhere. Ok figure I'll quit while I'm ahead. Very tasty little birds :)
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Bragging about shooting at defenseless squirrels at bars will surely demonstrate your Alpha man mojo and get you laid...wtg!
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Originally posted by VOR
Aren't they a pest species in CA?
Not only a pest species but they can carry some seroius diseases!!!!
Worked at a Mosquito Abatement and Vector Control District for over 10 years.
Them critters is consider a VECTOR species that can carry diseases to humans.
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xmarine... maybe if you got off your barstool and drove a few hundred miles out of the liberal hell hole you live in you might learn something.
they are pests (ground squirrels) and they are poisoned by the ranchers and farmers... they die very unpleasnatly. They are not edible and they make good target practice.
47... if you have a .357 load that throws out a 158 grain slug at 1800 fps then you are grossly overpressure... and... you wouls still not equal the 44 mag loads for energy. the 1300 fps figure I gave was for my 4" redhawk. the 7 1/2" brings that up another 100 fps or so. It is a stout load.
lazs
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No doubt it's over pressured. Not to be shot out of a cheap gun or fired often out of any gun. The Smith 686 Distinguished Combat Magnum and Ruger GP100 handle it well. Weapons are checked for cylinder stretch.
To me, the .44 is an awsome weapon, but like the .45, is just too big of a chunk of steel to carry and conceal comfortably. That is the only reason I prefer a .357. The .45 is good for cans.....and squirrels:D
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47..at 1800 fps from a revolver of... what? 4"? 6"? with 158 grain slugs you are talking high pressure loads off the charts. I have seen smiths wear out with loads a lot less hot. Have you run those loads over a chronograph? I can't even see what slow burning powder will fit in the case to get those kinds of velocities. 2400 and 296 would be a compressed load for sure.
My cut down redhawk is not a real large gun.. My super blackhawk isn't either but.... I do like a .357 for a carry gun.. the 340 pd is a nice 12 oz scandium J frame (read tiny) 5 shot that fits in the front pocket as well as an older cell phone. Out of the chronograph this gun shoots factory federal 125 JHP's at about 1250 fps. (1 3/4" barrel).
I also agree that the .45 is a fun gun for short range plinking or, like my Kimber with tritium night sights... great night stand gun for urban areas where a too much penetration is a bad thing.
Never shot a squirrel with one. when we were killing the little vermin the old worn out military .45's and new colts wouldn't group better than around 5" at 25 yards.
lazs
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Aren't you first supposed to yell "Lookout Ned, he's coming right for us!"?
Who goes target shooting or even plinking and returns with live ammo?
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Originally posted by Dago
Who goes target shooting or even plinking and returns with live ammo?
Me. The one time that you carry an empty weapon is the one time you will need it the most. An empty gun will get you killed quicker than anything else. Always save a clip for the return trip.:aok
You never know when you will get attacked by a crackhead, approached by a rabid dog or taunted by a tree rat.:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
47..at 1800 fps from a revolver of... what? 4"? 6"? with 158 grain slugs you are talking high pressure loads off the charts. I have seen smiths wear out with loads a lot less hot. Have you run those loads over a chronograph?
Chrono'd out of an 8", so he says. I don't doubt it. I stagered the rounds with off-the-shelf 158gr SJHP and the difference is OBVIOUS. I tried them at a local indoor range and when I let one of them go everyone else stopped firing:cool: The recoil, flame and sound difference is amazing. I've seen stretched and even cracked cylinders before, but never heard of a quality weapon exploding so I'll keep firing them until I see damage. Then make repairs and tone it down a notch:D
You can't have any fun if you don't take risks.
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47... fun? Ok.
You can listen to me or not. I have been reloading for a lot of years. I have also flat out blown up or ruined half a dozen or more handguns. Some that I wish I had today. I wasn't careless... I was pushing the limits.
If a load is a few percent over the highest listed loads in a loading manual... it will ruin your gun pretty darn quick... the highest listed loads are very hot and accelerate wear.
It is not fun for me to ruin a $600-$1000 revolver in a thousand rounds or less when if I used the more accurate and less pressure realistic loads, my grandkids could pass the gun down to their kids.
If you shoot those loads your smith will be trash in something less than a thousand rounds... and for no reason at all. My 44 mag with reasonable loads has more energy than what that guy cobbled up.
He isn't doing you any favors and may even get you hurt.
I would not shoot those loads or anything that guy loaded.... course... I pretty much don't shoot anyones reloads but my own.. I would suggest the same for everyone.
How do you fix a stretched frame btw?
lazs
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Originally posted by 47Hooker
but never heard of a quality weapon exploding so I'll keep firing them until I see damage.
you most likely won't see any damage til it goes off like a grenade in your hands.
Lazs is right about reloads. but it is your life, you can listen or not.
if you by chance live any where near me, and go shooting around me, please let me know so I can leave the area.
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Good luck, hooker. Hope ya don't become a statistic.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I pretty much don't shoot anyones reloads but my own.. I would suggest the same for everyone.
lazs
Thats a scary thought. When I did shoot, I reloaded but I used a friend/next door neighbor's equipment (my dies and brass, powder, etc) when I first started he reloaded mine and I watched and learned, then later I did my own. He taught me to never trust a reload you didnt make yourself or didnt personally see made, you just dont know, its easy for someone to get confused and wrong line or use the wrong powder, etc. "when in doubt, throw it out". One night I had miss read a line on a .357 reload we were doing. I didnt know when I started making the mistake so we had to take them all apart (maybe 25 rounds) and start over.
Lazs, a few months ago I found a handful of .357 and a couple of .358 BLR Win rounds left over from at least 1990 maybe older. They were in the bottom of a box. How do I get rid of them?
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Originally posted by lazs2
47... fun? Ok.
You can listen to me or not. I have been reloading for a lot of years. I have also flat out blown up or ruined half a dozen or more handguns. Some that I wish I had today. I wasn't careless... I was pushing the limits.
If a load is a few percent over the highest listed loads in a loading manual... it will ruin your gun pretty darn quick... the highest listed loads are very hot and accelerate wear.
It is not fun for me to ruin a $600-$1000 revolver in a thousand rounds or less when if I used the more accurate and less pressure realistic loads, my grandkids could pass the gun down to their kids.
If you shoot those loads your smith will be trash in something less than a thousand rounds... and for no reason at all. My 44 mag with reasonable loads has more energy than what that guy cobbled up.
He isn't doing you any favors and may even get you hurt.
I would not shoot those loads or anything that guy loaded.... course... I pretty much don't shoot anyones reloads but my own.. I would suggest the same for everyone.
How do you fix a stretched frame btw?
lazs
Had a friend load up a bunch of 38 specials with, think it was blue dot?.
Any way we went plinkin. He wanted us to help shoot em up. They were lead wad cutters.
Those loads were so hot! Talk about leading! The brass expanded sooo much it was staying in everyones revolvers. He was trying to get the brass out of his revolver when he broke his brand NEW Dan Wesson! I fired 6 rounds. I finally got the brass out of my S&W but I then STOPPED using his reloads! Like Laz says don't trust the reloads of others!
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As kids we werent allowed to pop our BB guns off at the local wildlife. Then my parents declared war on the lil bastids after they tore a hole in the roof of a newly shingled garage and caused lots of damage to the roof, gutter and the mess they made inside.
A "Rambo" first blood quote comes to mind LOL
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Lazs, a few months ago I found a handful of .357 and a couple of .358 BLR Win rounds left over from at least 1990 maybe older. They were in the bottom of a box. How do I get rid of them?
I'll answer for lazs. Mail them to me. :cool:
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Speaking of reloads...
I went to the range with my Dad a few weeks back to try out the new M1. Get set up on the bench and was waiting for a cease fire to set the targets when some guy blew up his shiny RemChester. And by blew up, I mean barrel 10 yards down range, 6 or so major pieces, scope snapped in half, apparently thumb left dangling and nose broken (I didn't get to see those details as he ran off the firing line pretty quick). What's extra scary is he was at the end of the range, and one major component (perhaps bolt related) blew through two medium-weight brass-catching screens on the benches next to him, bounced of the side wall he was near, and traveled back up the firing line about 30 yards to near where our firing point was. That could have smarted!
The guy was a reloder apparently, and one can only assume that he had a lapse in concentration with that batch of rounds. Mysteriously, that batch of evidence disappeared almost immediately (his son, perhaps...was the rumor on the range).
What also sucked is about three rural PDs had to show up and develop reports before the range could go hot again. Eagle Wisc. CSI :) Wisc. DNR and the County Cops. Cameras were produced, measurements were taken -- you'd a thunk he drilled someone in the head. It took about an hour and a half to get all that investigation completed.
Anyway, I've thought about reloading as a hobby, but it goes to show you can't take that for granted. I'm not sure I want to have that extra question in my mind each time I pull the trigger.
Also, I offered up a great quip at the time that generated a few laughs: "Bet he develops a flinch after that one..."
Charon
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How do you fix a stretched frame? You cut it up and buy another one. I paid $150 for the 586 and $200 for the 686. I've paid more for a beater car to have fun with :)
Nobody has to worry about being anywhere near me while shooting (my range, my property).
I appreciate everyone's concern, but it is a controlled process. You may not agree with it, but people do not agree with the way I ride my Harley, fly a plane or terrace-jump a beater car for kicks. I'm having fun. Life's too short. Nobody else is involved.
It'll take alot more than that to bust a Smith bad enough to get hurt. I wouldn't trust a knock-off or certainly not an auto...can you say "slide to the head?" (like Sin City).:O
You think thats bad? I'm eyeballin the .454:t
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Lazs, a few months ago I found a handful of .357 and a couple of .358 BLR Win rounds left over from at least 1990 maybe older. They were in the bottom of a box. How do I get rid of them?
Bullet Puller from Cabelas (http://www.cabelas.com) search item:IG-214931
for use with centerfire type of ammo only.
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yep... bullet puller is the way to go.
47.. you aren't controlling anything... you are letting someone else do it for you. You are nothing but the guy yanking the trigger. The guns you talk about are worth a lot more than what you paid for em. You will ruin em in short order.
No one beats cars or bikes any worse than I do but.. I do my own work... Would you dump the clutch on a 454 at 5 grand if someone else had done the drive train? If he told you that you didn't need a scattersheild and that stock clutches were fine for that? Who builds your Harley? I allways built my own... Wouldn't even trust anyone to change a tire.
as for the casull... go for it.. fun gun to shoot. You...er... your "friend" probly won't blow it up and it will have twice or more the energy of the .357 loads you are using to kill guns.
It's your money and your eyes and fingers. Live and learn.
I still use a single stage press and even then.. I have had a lapse and just taken out that round and pulled it apart... never anything wrong but...
lazs
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Originally posted by Charon
Speaking of reloads...
I went to the range with my Dad a few weeks back to try out the new M1. Get set up on the bench and was waiting for a cease fire to set the targets when some guy blew up his shiny RemChester. And by blew up, I mean barrel 10 yards down range, 6 or so major pieces, scope snapped in half, apparently thumb left dangling and nose broken (I didn't get to see those details as he ran off the firing line pretty quick). What's extra scary is he was at the end of the range, and one major component (perhaps bolt related) blew through two medium-weight brass-catching screens on the benches next to him, bounced of the side wall he was near, and traveled back up the firing line about 30 yards to near where our firing point was. That could have smarted!
The guy was a reloder apparently, and one can only assume that he had a lapse in concentration with that batch of rounds. Mysteriously, that batch of evidence disappeared almost immediately (his son, perhaps...was the rumor on the range).
What also sucked is about three rural PDs had to show up and develop reports before the range could go hot again. Eagle Wisc. CSI :) Wisc. DNR and the County Cops. Cameras were produced, measurements were taken -- you'd a thunk he drilled someone in the head. It took about an hour and a half to get all that investigation completed.
Anyway, I've thought about reloading as a hobby, but it goes to show you can't take that for granted. I'm not sure I want to have that extra question in my mind each time I pull the trigger.
Also, I offered up a great quip at the time that generated a few laughs: "Bet he develops a flinch after that one..."
Charon
The Govmint don't like us reloading? Lookin for reasons to ban it maybe?
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they have tried several times to ban reloading in kalifornia.. they will suceed some day.
Someone with lots of reloading skills will allways be able to convert/reload tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
No one beats cars or bikes any worse than I do but.. I do my own work... Would you dump the clutch on a 454 at 5 grand if someone else had done the drive train? If he told you that you didn't need a scattersheild and that stock clutches were fine for that? Who builds your Harley? I allways built my own... Wouldn't even trust anyone to change a tire.
lazs
I'm with ya on the mechanical portion. Nobody but NOBODY touches my bike or cars. I even work on the plane I fly (A&P, IA). I do not reload and don't care to get into it as I do not shoot them that often. That is best left to someone with experience.
Stan has been reloading longer than I've been alive and has both of his hands and eyes:D As hard as it seems for some to swallow, he knows what he's doing or he would have maimed himself long ago.
One who pushes the envelope is seen as a fool to most....I see them as pioneers. (or thrill seekers). I cannot see myself ever jumping out of a good airplane, yet people do every day. I don't agree with it unless a wing came off or the plane is on fire, but I understand their desire to taunt the reaper. Far more people die from parachuting than by uncontained catstrophic failure of their own firearm.
For every one who tells me that I'm nuts for firing hot loads out of a handgun, there are 50 who tell me I'm nuts for riding a motorcyle and I'm not about to stop doing that. If I get taken out doing something fun, at least I'll go with a smile on my face. A fiery crash or explosion would be way cooler than cracking your dome on a coffee table because your walker slipped:aok
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Every sniped in Central America?
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The Govmint don't like us reloading? Lookin for reasons to ban it maybe?
I think all the "CSI" work was more a combination of:
1. CYA for liability (though somebody blowing up his own gun would seem to be hard to blame on the DNR)
2. Required bureaucratic overkill;
3. Having nothing better to do (this is rural Wisconsin, after all) :) Something to talk about later at the diner with your buds...
Now, if it was an Illinois range the guy would probably be under a terrorist investigation (with a resulting media frenzy) as a "potential" mad bomber using a firearm "loophole" to plan future mayhem on our children.
Charon
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47... call yourself a brave pioneer who pushes the limits on handguns if that makes you happy. I am saying that you are putting yourself and your guns at risk by doing something that you yourself have no understanding of (by your own admission).
If the guy is getting over 1800 fps out of a handgun with his 158 grain .357 loads then he is not being very responsible. And... there is no real point to it. you still have a .357... it won't become a 44 mag no matter how much fast burning powder you stuff into it. Why bother?
That is my point.. why bother? We go to the range and my 44 is gonna drown out your .357... the hits downrange are gonna be more impressive and... I ain't gonna be risking anyones safety or damaging the gun..
If I load to the limit of the 44 and still want more.... I buy a 454 or 460 or 500.
I know guys who never ran a scattersheild and have built hot rods for many decades and have never been hurt. I have never worn a helmet in the decades I rode Harleys. I don't think either qualifies as "pushing the limits" and I don't pretend to tell anyone that those things are good for them to do.
I have ruined plenty of guns. I have made many strange and fun loads.. ones that exploded when they hit... ones with three projectiles in the same case... That may have been "pushing the limits" since there was no data on that sort of thing. Even when they worked tho.. I didn't pass em out to my friends.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
47... call yourself a brave pioneer who pushes the limits on handguns if that makes you happy. I am saying that you are putting yourself and your guns at risk by doing something that you yourself have no understanding of (by your own admission).
If the guy is getting over 1800 fps out of a handgun with his 158 grain .357 loads then he is not being very responsible. And... there is no real point to it. you still have a .357... it won't become a 44 mag no matter how much fast burning powder you stuff into it. Why bother?
That is my point.. why bother? We go to the range and my 44 is gonna drown out your .357... the hits downrange are gonna be more impressive and... I ain't gonna be risking anyones safety or damaging the gun..
If I load to the limit of the 44 and still want more.... I buy a 454 or 460 or 500.
I know guys who never ran a scattersheild and have built hot rods for many decades and have never been hurt. I have never worn a helmet in the decades I rode Harleys. I don't think either qualifies as "pushing the limits" and I don't pretend to tell anyone that those things are good for them to do.
I have ruined plenty of guns. I have made many strange and fun loads.. ones that exploded when they hit... ones with three projectiles in the same case... That may have been "pushing the limits" since there was no data on that sort of thing. Even when they worked tho.. I didn't pass em out to my friends.
lazs
You will be happy to know that because of such controversy, I asked Stan about these loads and they are 125gr, not 158 as I had thought. Not all that spectacular since one can order commercially 125gr rounds that produce over 1700fps. We can all sleep now.
Now it's my turn to caution you. Maybe you know someone who's gun blew up and killed them, if so, I'm sorry to hear it. But Brother, let me tell you this: I have buried 3 Brothers in the past 5 years who went down without a skid lid. 2 out of those 3 should have been walked away from. It hurts like hell and there's nothing that will bring a tear to the toughest roughneck on a Hog than 100 scats lined up behind a hearse.
Brother, I'll stop firing reloads all together if you'll wear a skid lid. That's on the square;)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Every sniped in Central America?
Are you asking if he ever hunted snipe or if he was a sniper in central america?
Mark
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We really need to do another PETA Raid to release some stress!!!
Gawd I miss the good times.
:D
Mac
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Originally posted by lazs2
xmarine... maybe if you got off your barstool and drove a few hundred miles out of the liberal hell hole you live in you might learn something.
I've forgotten more about shooting than you will ever learn.
Farmers and those damaged by "pests" have my full blessing to slaughter em all in order to survive, that is pest control.
Some bumpkin yahoo with a hog leg blowing them up with a "yeee hawl" as they sit harmlessly licking their nuts just strikes me as banjo play'n deliverance phony macho nonsense.... made worse by bragging about it as if its some accomplishment.
But hey, if you need to survive by eating pest meat, fine with me... do what you gotta do. Might I suggest an easier path, like getting a job... then you can go to MacDonald's, and if you must... you can blow a hole in your big mac and huff around like a cave man at the fresh kill.
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47... there is a huge difference between 125 grain and 158 grain slugs and even a huge difference between 1700 and 1800 fps when you get to the extreme end of the pressure scale.
Skid lid? I know a lot of guys who crashed because they couldn't see or hear from wearing helmet... besides.... What happened to "pushing the limits?" it only counts on things you want to push?
I have fallen many times and never even got a scratch on my mug... everyone who falls wearing a helmet seem to get scratches all over it. it is a big lump on your head with a hangmans noose strap around you. It gives you a fuzzy sounding and crappy view of what is going on around you.
lazs
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Originally posted by Eagler
The wife and I rescue squirrels. we have raised 5 so far from babies - feeding them every 4 hours when they are young to releasing them in the backyard where they come back with the neighborhood squirrels which we enjoy hand feeding also ..
after I shot and killed a red-headed wooddonut with a pellet gun at the age of about 14 which made me sick to my stomach right after I did it, I swore I’d never kill uselessly again..
Never thought I'd say this but....
Feel like a hug Eagler? Cause I could give you one right now :D
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xmarine... I seriously doubt that you have as much experiance shooting as I have unless you are talking about a few military arms and just burning ammo in em. or... some once a year police qualifiying at stupid short ranges (I get to watch the police train at the range on my plants property).
as for the fuzzy little rodents you are so concerned about... maybe you ought to see how they die from the poison that is used on em.
The way it works it that it makes em really thirsty and feverish... they drink any water they can find and the water helps the poison work... it takes em days to die.
I don't feel in the least cruel blowing em in half with a 44 or plinking em with a 22 smith and wesson masterpiece.
I bet you that I have fired more different guns than you have even heard of.
I may not have shot the most rounds of some of the competitors here but I was averaging 2,000 rounds a month for decades. I still shoot 4 or 500 a month, mostly reloads I have crafted. How many you shot last month?
How many ground squirrles you see die from poison from your los angles bar stool?
lazs
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
Are you asking if he ever hunted snipe or if he was a sniper in central america?
Mark
If he's done it, he'll know what I meant.
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Originally posted by 47Hooker
No doubt it's over pressured. Not to be shot out of a cheap gun or fired often out of any gun.
See ya on YouTube
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(http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images//deadhorse.gif) Will it ever end?