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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Platano on December 06, 2006, 01:45:55 PM
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Greetings,
I'm sure alot of ya'll dont know or care as to who I am. I started playing AH in February of this year.. As a n00b as i flew not spixteens or LA's but 109's.. and some have come to tell me that for some one playing only a couple of month's I have come very proficient in it... but anyways back to topic, I decided to move on and take up a challenge so I started to fly the P-47's..... RedDog from the 56th saw me flying a 47 in the MA and i was squadless so anyone with a brain can assume wat happened next..
So as I've been flying the p-47 90% of the time I have come to reallize that its a Kickazz plane.... yea sure it's a mini bomber, and no where near manueverable as a spit nor climbs like a 38 or 109 nor rolls like a 190 but once you know how to fly it you can do anything in it....
I honestly get all my kills Because people Underestimate it...which brings me to the realization why am I creating this post? :confused: :huh
No but seriously, I find myself Taking on F4U's down on the Deck jus by using some flaps in my D11-o-deth..... L0L i can even catch ponies and sometimes Lala's in a Nathan...And at alt (20-30k) FUHGETTABOUTIT :lol
And who can Argue with 8.50's????
But the question I ask is:
Is it the most underestimated Bird in the Game? If so you why do you think so?
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Probably F4U pilots who don't know how to use THEIR flaps.
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Hey Platano!!
Definatly the Jug is underestimated especially as an Energy fighter... this is a good thing.. everyone expects you to just BnZ so you can catch them by supprice alot of times...
My favo version is the D25 closely followed by the D11.
Im not sure its the most underestimated plane though... I would have to give that title to the B Pony...
Tex
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hey plate ive fought u in ur 47 with sunbat remember lol youmflew that beast well
i agree i think sadly people really underestime the following planes
-51b- my top 3rd plane fuggetaboutit
-a20 lol great bnz and e fighter
-and c2 its amazing so wtf
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Luv the Jug!
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L0L lookit how underestimated this plane is... :lol
jus lookit the lack of replies while I witness other Topics being replied on minute after minute :lol
Evenhaim those were fun fights with you and SunBat the other night <> :aok
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Love the JUG!! Just aim and hold down the trigger for what seems forever and you still have a ton of ammo left. Oh yeah, its a good fighter in the right hands. :D :aok
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Actually, I tend to think the 51 is OVERestimated. Yeah, in a capable pilot's hands it can be effective, but the MA takes the Pony out of its best element and into one where it's mostly average.
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Arent we talking about the P-47
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Jugs RULE! But HOGS do it better! and besides, "Chicks dig gullwings!":aok
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Arent we talking about the P-47
Yea we are...
And yes Saxman I also Do think that the D pony is Over Estimated.... Not as Great as it looks.... IMO its just fast and Holds E well for BnZ'ing...but other than that.... pppfftttttt....
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heh, the jug is a pretty good ride. Seems to do it's best work at a bit of altitude when being used as a pure fighter. Great Jabo machine too.
But Platano, don't kid yourself. If you are having no troubles against Hogs, you aren't running into guys who know what they are doing with them.
I'd put a well flown Hog against a P47 any time.
cheers,
RTR
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the jug seris is underestimmated by alot of poeple but probably not the most underestimated bird
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Originally posted by RTR
heh, the jug is a pretty good ride. Seems to do it's best work at a bit of altitude when being used as a pure fighter. Great Jabo machine too.
But Platano, don't kid yourself. If you are having no troubles against Hogs, you aren't running into guys who know what they are doing with them.
I'd put a well flown Hog against a P47 any time.
cheers,
RTR
ok most likely those hogs werent being flown the way they were supposed to...but that's only because it comes back to the 47 being underestimated....they thought "0o0o0o lookit here a low jug...yummmyy... dove on my D11 from 10k while i was on the Deck RTB...made 3 passes in which he missed them all on his fourth pass decided to try and turn with me...i must admit this Corsair was a handful and he WAS using his flaps, but for some magical reason I dont know if He wasnt workin his throttle or if he didnt bother to (cuz he thought i was an easy kill) during the scissors, but i managed to get behind him and Tear him a new A**Hole with some .50 cals...
***I will Keep The Pilots name Anynomous For Moralitive reasons :aok ***
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Originally posted by 332nd outlaw
the jug seris is underestimmated by alot of poeple but probably not the most underestimated bird
Why do you think people dont bother to learn it?
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Originally posted by Platano
Why do you think people dont bother to learn it?
It's a game. Some players don't care to know every plane in the set, nor do they have time or need for, therefore they fly planes which aren't as difficult yet still competitive enough for occasional success without getting too frustrated at it.
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Originally posted by Platano
ok most likely those hogs werent being flown the way they were supposed to...but that's only because it comes back to the 47 being underestimated....they thought "0o0o0o lookit here a low jug...yummmyy... dove on my D11 from 10k while i was on the Deck RTB...made 3 passes in which he missed them all on his fourth pass decided to try and turn with me...i must admit this Corsair was a handful and he WAS using his flaps, but for some magical reason I dont know if He wasnt workin his throttle or if he didnt bother to (cuz he thought i was an easy kill) during the scissors, but i managed to get behind him and Tear him a new A**Hole with some .50 cals...
***I will Keep The Pilots name Anynomous For Moralitive reasons :aok ***
I think that both the jug and hog are among the most pilot dependant birds in the game. Often times it simply is a matter of "pilot vs pilot". Truthfully I think a hog vs jug encounter is going to swing on initial E state. The higher E plane is going to get 1st crack....given equal pilot skill that may be all it takes. As a fight progresses the jug isnt a good match at the notmal alts we fly at.
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I enjoy the D25 alot. I am not any good in it but I love to fly it. One of the best fights I ever had in this game was D11 vs a C205. An absolute great fight on the deck. Flaps dropping...up...throttle all over the place..dodgeing the occasional shot he got..missing the ones I got...until we finally just got away from oneanother if I remember right. Maybe I killed him. No matter the fight was just awsome.
Jug vs. Hog tho , I believe in most cases its pretty equal given E states and equal pilots. Hog may have a slight advantage.
Either way its a great plane to fly and a ton of fun.
BOT....I think it prolly is underestimated......I know I have on several occasion done that.....And when I finally bow up or crash and See you have been kille by Nomde , Blukitty , most of the 56th guys , I think...well ya dummy ya did it again.
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it takes more time to learn the jugs then say a spittoon or lala ... the jug takes timing of fuel management , precise flap usage,throttle management, and getting to know all its limits at any alt . its not a get in and win plane .
a well flown corsair will give the jug fits along with the spits and lala's once its slowed down and knife fighting.
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whenever I see a Jug...I always assume it is Yucca in it...never underestimated.;)
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very capable buff hunter too
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I wouldn't call the P-47 "underestimated". They are very capable, and I'm usually flying a D-11 if I'm in one. Trust me, NOONE outside of a "Two-weeker" will see a D-11 and think "this one's gonna be easy". I ain't buying that, usually if one is seen, the FIRST thing that should pop into your mind, "this person more than likely KNOWS what their doing."
If I'm in a Spit1 or Hurry1, I find more "cockiness on the cons part". These two are WITHOUT QUESTION the most underestimated planes in the bunch. People do stupid things matched up against a Mk.1, as "they won't catch me", "those 8 - .303's won't do much damage, etc."
Then again, with all of the bravado it's tough to tell. I recall getting into a 1 vs 1 with a "certain" D25 and it ran from me to a buddy, only to turn around in the 2 on 1. I guess it comes down to the individual's flying style more than anything.
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I'll admit, even though I know what the P47 is capable of... I myself underestimate P47s diving on me. Once I see them start turning with my evasive manouver I know I messed up and if I don't get away from those 8 50 cal soon, I will be dead.
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you said pony d is over estimated ok then ...
but in the hands of a 412th pilot its a force to be reckoned with ;)
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Originally posted by evenhaim
you said pony d is over estimated ok then ...
but in the hands of a 412th pilot its a force to be reckoned with ;)
My D11-o-deth vs ur Pony
DA orly? :D
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heh, there are a few planes in here I respect when I see them (I automatically assume that whoever is in them has a fair idea about how they are going to hand me my butt!).
P47's and F4U's are at the top of that list for me. These two aircraft are a tough nut to crack when flown to thier potentials. I likes me HOG!
RTR
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D11-o-deth vs G-14 :D
I love the 47 though:aok
What kinda convergence you using, long range shooting or close in?
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meet u in 8 playa tom if u can i hope to be back online in mid december - late december pm or xfire me
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Originally posted by parin
D11-o-deth vs G-14 :D
I love the 47 though:aok
What kinda convergence you using, long range shooting or close in?
hey there Parin...
I must apologize for my childish ignorant unsusual behavior on 200 the other night as I had one too many cups of Hennesy:o
But back on the convergence issue, I fly with the outer guns at 375 and the inner's at 400....this way they kinda cross thier path's on the way out in case im in CLose..... Cant go Wrong :aok
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
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If I'm in a Spit1 or Hurry1, I find more "cockiness on the cons part". These two are WITHOUT QUESTION the most underestimated planes in the bunch. People do stupid things matched up against a Mk.1, as "they won't catch me", "those 8 - .303's won't do much damage, etc." ...
One great thing about the Mk1's is if someone dies to them, they in effect killed themselves by fighting the Mk1's fight. :D
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I was gonna quit the game until the "N" came out---I usually fly sans wingman, and the N is heap much survivable, and yep, if the are 10 Rooks about, they always dive on me as soon as the see the P47 icon. Cant kill them more often than not, but I can fend off the attacks..love the plane:aok
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Hey Plantano,
I think your right on the money brother! I fly the jug all the time, heck I used to be in the 56th before I took a couple year break from AH. Tell Nomde, Frenchy and Sancho I says hey! I used fly under the name Avid back then.
The key with the jug is patience. You can't just go barreling in without good SA and an even better plan for an escape route. This is not very conducive to the Counter Strike, "Must have action immediately" mentality so prevalent in the MA's. I think it gets underutalized for just this reason. You need to take the time to get some alt, and in this ride that's more time then normal, and then pick your engagements wisely. Conserve your E and then bug out before you blow it all.
I feel another key factor in flying it is gunnery. Something I am just horrible at. You need to kill quick and bug out before you blow all your energy. I was always amazed at how fast Frenchy could dispatch a bad guy.
Lastly I think the other key to flying a Jug is that there's nothing more beautiful than a pair of them ;) Keep the bad guy in the middle and work those 16 50cals towards each other and you have a recipe for killin.
Big Mickey
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Yes i still underestimate it because i dont think there was anyone out there who flew a 47 could beat me in a spit16. Then i found YUCCA, he beat me once and I got him 5 times in the DA. so i guess its possible but not going to happen to often.
and i laugh at all those people who said yuccas p47 could out turn my spit. it cant out turn it but in the right hands can outmanuever it in the vert rolling scissors especailly if u make a mistake. that explains my one death.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
it takes more time to learn the jugs then say a spittoon or lala ... the jug takes timing of fuel management , precise flap usage,throttle management, and getting to know all its limits at any alt . its not a get in and win plane .
That is exactly the reason I never underestimate a JUG. Everytime I see one I always assume that the guy flying it has his act together.
One I first got here from WBs I was flying a pony and saw low jug and started to lick my lips. I made a couple of passes on him and let myself get co alt co E and it quickly turned into a knife fit. To make a long story short Frency made a fool out of me. Lesson learned, I never underestimated a jug again :lol
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Originally posted by zorstorer
One great thing about the Mk1's is if someone dies to them, they in effect killed themselves by fighting the Mk1's fight. :D
Amen. This is true with the entire plane set.
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if you can master the N's hammerhead turn (i can get it about 1 outta 3 attempts ) you'll out turn 95% of the spit 16's everytime with it ... but its extreamly difficult. airspeed /rudder/throttle management has to be right on within a 5 or 10 mph area . this manuver will garrentee you the evil how the hell you do that pm's almost everytime :D
my fav fights are 190's vs jugs as for there closely matched and the fight can go either way at anytime .
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in my experiences whenever im runnning a cap or looking for prey , if i c a lone jug more often than not he becomes a dead jug but when i see two or threeflyin in close formation its usually the gosh darn 56th and i run my *** of cause they usually have alt on me lol especailly when i c a three jug formmation comprising of : 1 p47n 1 d11 1 d25 then i KNOW that it is the 56 lol yucca , nomde, and somethimes bluekitty lol . but yah otherwise jugs make a good in flight snack lol
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All this talk about Thunderbolts makes me want to see one. This is a thumb from the Chino Airshow.
(http://www.mytowne.com/Images/p-38.jpg)
http://www.warbird-photos.com/pofairshow05-1/index4.html
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Most underestamating comes from it being big and heavy but it can do it all
Big M is right on :aok
Beware the Thunderbolt
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alot of planes are underestimated. but yes, f4u1 and p47d11 are top of that list.
Originally posted by Kuhn
Love the JUG!! Just aim and hold down the trigger for what seems forever and you still have a ton of ammo left. Oh yeah, its a good fighter in the right hands. :D :aok
i generally run out of fuel before ammo so only take 1066+1066 rounds instead of 1700+1700.... lighter plane even better ;)
Originally posted by Platano
But back on the convergence issue, I fly with the outer guns at 375 and the inner's at 400....this way they kinda cross thier path's on the way out in case im in CLose..... Cant go Wrong :aok
hehe mine are set at the same.... got in way too close in a turn fight with a 109K and my stream of bullets from each wing hit both his wings right at the root.... took BOTH off instantly was so funny i wish i had a video lol....
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I love the D25 and N models. Never really liked the D11, too slow and vis not as good. I just love the dive on it :D so easy to control. Love the 8x50cals too they make short work of just about anything. I find that people do underestimate it, a lot of people just dont expect you to throw it round, and when you do you can catch em out. Prob is once it gets down below 250 all the wind just disappears from its sails, so you gotta get it over and done with very quickly if you play the suprise-a-jug-is-turning game. They're great at high alts too. Soak up damage like a big damage sponge too :)
But normally you have to be quite selective in the jug if you want to get home alive. Once your low n slow or caught out, its a death-trap.
But with nearly all fights, its not the plane thats underestimated, its the pilot. A good pilot will dictate the fight even in an inferior machine.
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Originally posted by Platano
hey there Parin...
I must apologize for my childish ignorant unsusual behavior on 200 the other night as I had one too many cups of Hennesy:o
lol 200 is like smack talk on the B-ball court for me. No worries
I will have to try that convergence setup. Sounds like 50cal shotgun.
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id say the ki61 is the most underestimated plane in the game.
it is awesome in a dive has pretty good ammo and can out turn most anything.
but i dont fly it im just saying.
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I say the P40's are if anyone has run into me when i was flying them like 2 months ago.:D
I never under estimate jug's since i usually think its BluKitty.:noid
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P47 is a POS. They are out manuvered in almost every category by almost every plane in the set. I always attack them on sight, recklessly, as they are the easiest target in the sky.
What the heck are you doin' Platano?! don't tell them it's great or they'll stop attacking us. Next thing you know we'll have to chase them to get a fight...
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The 47 used to be my main ride for the last couple of years before i had to quit AH. It is a kickass plane, and driven by a skilled person (everyone in the 56th) + bozon and im sure a few dozen others that have started playing while i was away.
Now that im finally back in AH, i havent flown it as much as the 109G6/K4 and the 190 A8 but i bet i will find my way back into the 47s again soon.
Afterall Mr. HiTech did model the N because i begged and whined for it for a couple of years.
;)
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Originally posted by bozon
What the heck are you doin' Platano?! don't tell them it's great or they'll stop attacking us. Next thing you know we'll have to chase them to get a fight...
Originally posted by Platano
I honestly get all my kills Because people Underestimate it...which brings me to the realization why am I creating this post? :confused: :huh
I have no idea :confused: :confused: :confused:
** Sctratches head**
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Sometimes I have to dangle my big rudder at the high jugs to entice them to engage! But then again, at 22K who wants to fight anyway! hee hee j/k Platano
My fav jug is/was the d25 although the 11 pretty much pawns it! :aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Sometimes I have to dangle my big rudder at the high jugs to entice them to engage! But then again, at 22K who wants to fight anyway! hee hee j/k Platano
My fav jug is/was the d25 although the 11 pretty much pawns it! :aok
lol last night i was jus in a "non- chalant, (spell check) just waiting to die, observing the furball from 22k in a d40" mood...:D
tonight will be different story though :aok
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Anything that can carry over 800 pounds of .50 cal ammo has got to be a hot ride...
P-47D11 and the N model are my favorites...
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It's also the most beautiful plane in the game
(http://x-plane.org/home/RedDog/jugformation.jpg)
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Its a nice plane but.... given equal pilots and E a hog will kill it most of the time. A hog just does everything it does a little better. I have been in multiple hog vs 47 fights and hog just beats it, not by much and if the hog pilot screws up and the 47 pilot does not then it can change, but overall the hog will take it.
Nick172
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Originally posted by nick172
Its a nice plane but.... given equal pilots and E a hog will kill it most of the time. A hog just does everything it does a little better. I have been in multiple hog vs 47 fights and hog just beats it, not by much and if the hog pilot screws up and the 47 pilot does not then it can change, but overall the hog will take it.
Nick172
Just depends on who's flyin nick. :D
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Originally posted by RedDg
It's also the most beautiful plane in the game
(http://x-plane.org/home/RedDog/jugformation.jpg)
Love that pic Red :aok
It also illustrated the best way to get from point A to point B :D
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Originally posted by nick172
Its a nice plane but.... given equal pilots and E a hog will kill it most of the time
Perhaps, who cares? but there is a kill and there is a kill. Killing with an La7, F4U, spit 16 has no flash to it. Also, if I have to go down in flames, I'd rather do it with style!
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I like it because I get the best screen captures and renderings with the 47.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1154751200_p47nvsfw190a8modcopy.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1126412396_hittingb24modbywolfala.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1128316559_fw190dvsp47nmod3copy.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1128316589_jugmaintshackmod1copy.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1126473621_p47ndrilldownwithblurs.jpg)
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Very cool pics!
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Ya'all see the casings falling in many of the posted pics. You ever wonder if some poor grunt got hit by a rain of brass? :D
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Nice pics there :aok
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Ya'all see the casings falling in many of the posted pics. You ever wonder if some poor grunt got hit by a rain of brass? :D
I always wondered about the rain of steel from a heavy flak barrage. What was it like for folks living under that when gravity took over?
Big Mickey
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In the Great War, far more Londoners were killed by flak than were by Hun raiders.
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Im surprised Hajo hasnt piped up.If you ever ran into Hajo in his Jug you know what Im saying :)
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hmm noticed in the last pic that N has a rack to hold belly tank...is that rack not there if ya don't load tank, and does it cause drag? (A8/D9 lose as much as 10 knots due to such things)
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I thought 2.09 introduced drag on the hard-points which are fitted if you carried ord?
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Worst plane in the game besides the P-38.
:furious
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Originally posted by Spatula
I thought 2.09 introduced drag on the hard-points which are fitted if you carried ord?
It was my understanding that most US planes had aerodynamic hard points already in place whether ord was loaded or not, and they didnt cause drag, but that looked like a run-of-the-mill rack there....dunno
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Originally posted by Stang
Worst plane in the game besides the P-38.
:furious
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad:
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Originally posted by bj229r
It was my understanding that most US planes had aerodynamic hard points already in place whether ord was loaded or not, and they didnt cause drag, but that looked like a run-of-the-mill rack there....dunno
There's no drag penalty for the P-47s (or P-38s, or P-51s) for taking ordnance or drop tanks. Pylons were installed at the factory on these types and their speed reflects this in the game.
For example, a P-47D-40 with 25% gas, take off with wing and belly tanks... Dropped right after takeoff.
V2.08: 436 mph at 30k
V2.09: 436 mph at 30k
My regards,
Widewing
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Lol sonic. I killed you a few more than one time. And as far as turning goes the only thing you did was climb then bnz lol. Silly spit16 pilots impress themselves by outclimbing a 20,000lb+ to bnz. If you'd like to say otherwise i still have the films somewhere sugar shorts.
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shell casings and flak splinters wouldn't be lethal when falling. They are light weight and high area, and reach terminal velocity quickly. Even bullets probably wouldn't have killed after they lost all their velocity (Mythbusters took this on by shooting rounds into the air)
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Originally posted by Krusty
shell casings and flak splinters wouldn't be lethal when falling. They are light weight and high area, and reach terminal velocity quickly. Even bullets probably wouldn't have killed after they lost all their velocity (Mythbusters took this on by shooting rounds into the air)
Mmm...ok, you stand underneath a 50cal while its firing straight up with zero wind - i'll stay in a hardened shelter.
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Originally posted by Widewing
There's no drag penalty for the P-47s (or P-38s, or P-51s) for taking ordnance or drop tanks. Pylons were installed at the factory on these types and their speed reflects this in the game.
For example, a P-47D-40 with 25% gas, take off with wing and belly tanks... Dropped right after takeoff.
V2.08: 436 mph at 30k
V2.09: 436 mph at 30k
My regards,
Widewing
Thanks Widewing, if they ever had a "Jeopardy" based on airplane stuff, they'd never get you off there:)
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how are you playing this game for 9 months and have 416 post and i have never seen one? before this thread.
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Originally posted by Krusty
shell casings and flak splinters wouldn't be lethal when falling. They are light weight and high area, and reach terminal velocity quickly. Even bullets probably wouldn't have killed after they lost all their velocity (Mythbusters took this on by shooting rounds into the air)
Had a AH-1 Cobra empty a 14 shot rocket pod above me about 50 feet off the deck one time. It was disconcerting to say the least. Also had a buddy who was in a Humvee when a Cobra was shooting the 20mm. Shell casings came raining down all over the rig, bouncing off the hood and such. He said that was also disconcerting...
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Originally posted by jon
how are you playing this game for 9 months and have 416 post and i have never seen one? before this thread.
Cuz i dont reply that much, I just Read.... And most of my post used to be in the AvA thread since thats where I used to fly most of the time b4 going to MA...
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Like to fly the jug and I think its the BEST weapons platform in the game followed by the 38...
Cant fly either of them very well (or any other plane for that matter) but enjoy the ride...
It is much easier to control the 47 in a dive than the 38 (for me) and those 8 50cals are awesome.
Great Plane...