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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: StarOfAfrica2 on December 07, 2006, 10:19:56 AM
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December 7th. Now 0616. 3 hours ago, the Condor sighted what they thought was a periscope outside the harbor entrance. The destroyer Ward was notified. Sub net is malfunctioning and remains open. 6 minutes ago, Japanese planes launched from their carriers, on their way to Pearl Harbor. Here its still dark and quiet.
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To all the brave souls that lost their lives.
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0630. Ward again notified of possible submarine contact by merchant ship Antares. A PBY is dispatched. Now 0636.
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Tora Tora Tora
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0645. The Ward spots the submarine and fires on her. Air attack from the PBY is called for as well. Ward believes they scored hits on the conning tower, drop depth charges as they move in.
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0653. Ward's commander Captain Outerbridge sends message to Commandant 14th Naval District: "We have attacked, fired upon and dropped depth charges upon submarine operating in defensive sea area".
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0702. Military radar station at Opana Point picks up large flight of unidentified aircraft bearing in 132 miles north of Oahu. Report to Information Center, Fort Shafter.
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0715. Second wave of Japanese attack planes launches.
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0735 Reconnaissance plane from cruiser Chikuma reports main fleet in Pearl Harbor
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0740. 1st wave of Japanese attack sights North Shore of Oahu. Deployment for attack begins.
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US Military.
StarofAfrica for this awesome and educational thread
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0749 Commander Fuchida orders attack...all pilots to begin assault on military bases on Oahu
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Originally posted by cav58d
US Military.
StarofAfrica for this awesome and educational thread
Thanks Cav. I'm hoping they'll let me take a few pics before I leave today. Its a little rainy but the air just feels electric. Thank God for wireless broadband and laptops. :)
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0753. Fuchida radios code to entire Japanese Navy, "TORA TORA TORA". Success...maximum strategic surprise...Pearl Harbor caught unaware.
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Yanno, sitting out here ......... these hangars on Ford Island still have bullet holes from the attack 65 years ago. There are still marks of the attack. Staring at the timeline (and having flown the attack route myself), its amazing how fast it must have been.
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0755. Island wide attack begins. Japanese dive bombers to strike airfields Kaneohe, Ford Island, Hickam, Bellows, Wheeler, Ewa. Aerial torpedo planes begin their run on ships in Pearl Harbor
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ATTACK BEGINS
Along Battleship Row, battlewagons feel the sting of the newly perfected torpedoes specifically designed for the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor. At 1010 dock violent explosions rock light cruiser HELENA on her starboard side crippling both her and minelayer OGLALA moored beside her. On the other side of Battleship row, Ford Island, target ship UTAH also feels the sting of the torpedoes. The battleship OKLAHOMA begins to capsize. Light cruiser RALEIGH moored ahead of the UTAH takes measures to prevent capsizing. Commander Logan Ramsey of Ford Island Command Center sends out message for all radiomen on duty to send out in plain English
"AIR RAID PEARL HARBOR THIS IS NO DRILL"
2nd dispatch orders all patrol planes to seek out enemy. Simultaneously the call for General Quarters echos throughout Pearl Harbor. Each ship and their personnel in turn swing into action against the attacking Japanese. Only one quarter of all guns respond to the enemy.
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0802. Machine guns on battleship NEVADA open fire on torpedo planes approaching her port beam. Two planes hit; however one missile tears huge hole in ship's port bow.
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0805. Repair ship VESTAL moored outboard of battleship ARIZONA opens fire. Admiral Kimmel arrives CINCPAC headquarters. Battleship CALIFORNIA receives second torpedo "portside at frame 110", prompt action directed by Ensign Edgar M. Fain prevents ship from capsizing. High level bombers begin their run "on both bows" of battleship row.
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0808. KGMB radio interrupts music calling for: "All Army, Navy, and Marine personnel to report to duty". High level bombers unleash armour piercing, delayed action bombs from altitude of 10,000 feet scoring hits on battleships.
(KGMB is still in operation today, FYI, as a television station)
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0810. Forward magazines on battleship ARIZONA suddenly ignite resulting in a tremendous explosion and huge fireball sinking the battleship within nine minutes. Concussion of explosion blows men off repair ship VESTAL.
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and glad my Grandfather lived and the Tennessee didn’t take much damage or I wouldn’t be here.
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0817. USS HELM first of several destroyers to clear Pearl Harbor spots a midget submarine struggling to enter harbor. Shots fired, misses target. Sub frees itself from reef and submerges.
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Ok, time to get to work. Here's a few more important points in the timeline.
0839. Seaplane tender CURTISS sights midget sub in harbor and commences to fire. Destroyer MONAGHAN heads for intruder at ramming speed.
0840. Submarine surfaces after sustaining damage. MONAGHAN hits sub and drops depth charges as she passes. 1st explanation over local radio stations. "A sporadic air attack...rising sun sighted on wing tips".
0850. Lt. Commander Shimazaki orders deployment of 2nd wave over military bases on Oahu.
0854 Attack run begins. 54 high-level bombers hit Naval air stations, 78 dive bombers hit ships in Pearl, 36 fighters circle over harbor to maintain air control.
0900 Crew of the Dutch liner JAGERSFONTEIN opens up with her guns, the first Allies to join the fight. Radios throughout the island crack out urgent messages "Get off roads and stay off. Don't block traffic. Stay at home. This is the real McCoy".
0930 Tremendous explosions rocks destroyer SHAW sending debris everywhere. Bomb falls near Governor's home.
1000 First wave arrives back on carriers, 190 miles north of Oahu.
1100 Commander Fuchida circles over Pearl Harbor and assesses damage, then returns to carrier task force.
1300 Commander Fuchida lands on board carrier AKAGI. Discussion follows with Admiral Nagumo and staff concerning feasibility of launching 3rd wave.
1330 Signal flags on carrier AKAGI orders Japanese task force to withdraw.
1458 Tadao Fuchikami delivers message from Washington, message decoded and given to General Short regarding ultimatum from Japan to be given at 1300 Washington time. "Just what significance the hour set may have we do not know, but be on the alert accordingly".
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StarofAfrica
Very informative thread :)
All veterans and the current men and women in the U.S. Military
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ben afleck dont belong here ....
this is what belongs
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/12/07/pearl.harbor.ap/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/12/07/pearl.harbor.ap/)
PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii (AP) -- Nearly 500 survivors of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor observed a moment of silence Thursday to remember those who died in the surprise attack that pulled the United States into World War II.
The survivors bowed their heads at 7:55 a.m., the minute planes began bombing Pearl Harbor 65 years ago.
Many veterans were treating the gathering as their last, uncertain whether they would be alive or healthy enough to travel to Hawaii for the next big memorial, the 70th anniversary, in five years.
"Sixty-five years later, there's not too many of us left," said Don Stratton, a seaman 1st class aboard the USS Arizona on December 7, 1941.
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Originally posted by Regular
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GHEY!!!!
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I always feel strange working for a Japanese company on this day. We're the only building without our flag at half mast.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I always feel strange working for a Japanese company on this day. We're the only building without our flag at half mast.
ack-ack
I felt the same way ten years ago when I had an opportunity to go to work for Mitsubishi. My dad talked me out of what I was feeling at the time. He told me to get over it. He had. My dad's a veteran of the war in the Pacific. He volunteered in '40. This is a tribute to he and my mother - both still with us. I spent some time with them today.
My dad grew up in Kansas and joined the U.S. Navy, as I said, in 1940. My mom comes from Raleigh, N.C. When she graduated college she went to work as a teacher. Both knew, as did a large part of the nation, that we would be inexorably drawn into war. Mom was then, is now and will go to her grave a pacifist. But when Pearl Harbor was attacked she shortly thereafter got a job in an Army message center in Washington to do her part.
My dad first got orders for duty aboard a minesweeper patrolling the Gulf of Mexico. He and his shipmates patrolled for mines and any signs of u-boat activity. He was shortly reassigned to the Pacific theater and spent the rest of the war there up to and after VJ Day.
Both speak of those days now as if they were the most important days of their lives, most especially my dad. I see him on family occasions talking to my niece and nephew, both in their early twenties. My dad at some point starts to relate something that happened, usually some day to day life aboard ship kinda thing from the period. I see either my niece or nephew's interaction with him. They're polite - but they don't really understand. I fear they really don't have the knowledge, understanding or patience to really listen to or appreciate these things that so forged my father's life and made those four years out of his eighty five years the most important and memorable days of his life.
My mom was sworn to secrecy concerning the message traffic she worked during the war. Those secrets will leave this earth with her. Pacifist that she was, is and will always be not withstanding - when time came to do her bit she stood up and did it and kept the faith. She keeps it still. She will never divulge the secrets she was sworn to keep. She'll be eighty five a week from today.
My brother and I have seen a fair amount of watermelon in our time. But neither he nor I have or will ever see what my parents, each in their own way, saw. They and and our entire nation stood together in a way that we haven't since.
My brother and I recently took my dad to see Flags of Fathers. My dad was there at Iwo Jima. We knew my dad wanted to see it. He and I pointed out the little historical inaccuracies when they occurred but they were few. But I could see that my dad was transported back to those days. He was twenty three again and doing again the most important work he would ever do. He stifled a cry here and there. But when he did it was always some scene of the homefront - a mother noified of her son's sacrifice or whatnot - not his own. I felt a sadness that such were the times of his life that those days became the most important days of his entire life. A sadness that the current generation and even more so the coming generations will not appreciate what my mom and dad and those like them gave of themselves.
I went and spent some time with my parents today. Beforehand I mounted the Stars and Stripes on the front porch as I do every December 7th. My dad and mom are getting a little physically feeble. When I was in their house today, the house I grew up in, my father asked if I would like to have the flag he used to always fly on such days. "Sure", I said. No other words were required by either of us. Next December 7th THAT flag will fly from my front porch. I hope mom and dad are still around. I hope they and their generation are long remembered and appreciated for what they did.
Sorry if this was overly long. I owe it to them.
Mom and Dad - I salute you and all those you served alongside, those still with us, those since gone, those still on patrol.
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Originally posted by Regular
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cheeeet. THAT waste of celuloid wasnt a Pearl Horbor movie
THIS is a Pearl Harbor movie!
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I always feel strange working for a Japanese company on this day. We're the only building without our flag at half mast.
ack-ack
Kinda arrogent on their part dontcha think?
Not to mention disrespectful.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Kinda arrogent on their part dontcha think?
Not to mention disrespectful.
I guess they do adhere to this saying "let bygones be bygones".
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Originally posted by Irwink!
I felt the same way ten years ago when I had an opportunity to go to work for Mitsubishi. My dad talked me out of what I was feeling at the time. He told me to get over it. He had. My dad's a veteran of the war in the Pacific. He volunteered in '40. This is a tribute to he and my mother - both still with us. I spent some time with them today.
My dad grew up in Kansas and joined the U.S. Navy, as I said, in 1940. My mom comes from Raleigh, N.C. When she graduated college she went to work as a teacher. Both knew, as did a large part of the nation, that we would be inexorably drawn into war. Mom was then, is now and will go to her grave a pacifist. But when Pearl Harbor was attacked she shortly thereafter got a job in an Army message center in Washington to do her part.
My dad first got orders for duty aboard a minesweeper patrolling the Gulf of Mexico. He and his shipmates patrolled for mines and any signs of u-boat activity. He was shortly reassigned to the Pacific theater and spent the rest of the war there up to and after VJ Day.
Both speak of those days now as if they were the most important days of their lives, most especially my dad. I see him on family occasions talking to my niece and nephew, both in their early twenties. My dad at some point starts to relate something that happened, usually some day to day life aboard ship kinda thing from the period. I see either my niece or nephew's interaction with him. They're polite - but they don't really understand. I fear they really don't have the knowledge, understanding or patience to really listen to or appreciate these things that so forged my father's life and made those four years out of his eighty five years the most important and memorable days of his life.
My mom was sworn to secrecy concerning the message traffic she worked during the war. Those secrets will leave this earth with her. Pacifist that she was, is and will always be not withstanding - when time came to do her bit she stood up and did it and kept the faith. She keeps it still. She will never divulge the secrets she was sworn to keep. She'll be eighty five a week from today.
My brother and I have seen a fair amount of watermelon in our time. But neither he nor I have or will ever see what my parents, each in their own way, saw. They and and our entire nation stood together in a way that we haven't since.
My brother and I recently took my dad to see Flags of Fathers. My dad was there at Iwo Jima. We knew my dad wanted to see it. He and I pointed out the little historical inaccuracies when they occurred but they were few. But I could see that my dad was transported back to those days. He was twenty three again and doing again the most important work he would ever do. He stifled a cry here and there. But when he did it was always some scene of the homefront - a mother noified of her son's sacrifice or whatnot - not his own. I felt a sadness that such were the times of his life that those days became the most important days of his entire life. A sadness that the current generation and even more so the coming generations will not appreciate what my mom and dad and those like them gave of themselves.
I went and spent some time with my parents today. Beforehand I mounted the Stars and Stripes on the front porch as I do every December 7th. My dad and mom are getting a little physically feeble. When I was in their house today, the house I grew up in, my father asked if I would like to have the flag he used to always fly on such days. "Sure", I said. No other words were required by either of us. Next December 7th THAT flag will fly from my front porch. I hope mom and dad are still around. I hope they and their generation are long remembered and appreciated for what they did.
Sorry if this was overly long. I owe it to them.
Mom and Dad - I salute you and all those you served alongside, those still with us, those since gone, those still on patrol.
Thanks for posting that. One place I have reserved in my heart is always touched deeply by the men and women who have served and sacrificed in order to preserve our lives and freedoms.
to all, past and present.
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Originally posted by tikky
I guess they do adhere to this saying "let bygones be bygones".
except for the A-bombs. They view that as the worlds worst tragedy, as if they didn't deserve it, plus more.
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Nice thread, SOA2. I was 15th Air Base Wing Public Affairs Director 1975-77 at Hickam AFB. Privilege to serve there.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
except for the A-bombs. They view that as the worlds worst tragedy, as if they didn't deserve it, plus more.
It's also a payback for what they did to Korea - Philippines - China... especially in Nanking during pre-war.
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That sneak attack on P-harbor by Dai-Nippon Kaigun was their only military sucess against the USN. After that it was either stalemate or downright USN victory:aok
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I would like to see pearl harbor someday....Only flew over it in honnolulu airport.
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Originally posted by tikky
It's also a payback for what they did to Korea - Philippines - China... especially in Nanking during pre-war.
Thats what I meant. The Japanese were brutal and ruthless in WWII, yet a lot of them still cry about what their actions ultimatley led to........the A- Bomb attacks.
Sorry, they have no pass from me. We did what we had to do in order to defeat those animals.
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BRING THE AERONCA 65TC TO AH!!!!!1:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by tikky
I guess they do adhere to this saying "let bygones be bygones".
there is another saying.
"when in Rome. Do as the Romans"
Im sure they wouldnt appreciate it if I went over there and disrespected their A-Bomb dead
Dont come here and disrespect ours.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
there is another saying.
"when in Rome. Do as the Romans"
Im sure they wouldnt appreciate it if I went over there and disrespected their A-Bomb dead
Dont come here and disrespect ours.
They would never have had any A-Bomb dead if they had not gone on a fanatical killing, invasion spree.
The A- Bomb stopped the bastards.
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I guess we all know the step-by-step events on what lead nazi Germany and fascist Italy to go on a World Conquest (TM). I still have vague idea on Japan and what caused Japan to join the axis World Conquest (TM) bandwagon...:huh
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Originally posted by tikky
I guess we all know the step-by-step events on what lead nazi Germany and fascist Italy to go on a World Conquest (TM). I still have vague idea on Japan and what caused Japan to join the axis bandwagon...:huh
What do you mean? Is there any event that justifies a country to go on a world conquest rampage?
If there is justification for a country attemping to take over the world, then there must be justification for A-Bombing that country into submission.
The Japanese reaped what they sowed. No tears from me. They got what they deserved.
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Originally posted by tikky
I guess we all know the step-by-step events on what lead nazi Germany and fascist Italy to go on a World Conquest (TM). I still have vague idea on Japan and what caused Japan to join the axis World Conquest (TM) bandwagon...:huh
They thought that they could destroy, or at least SEVERELY CRIPPLE the US Fleet based in PH. They figured if they succeeded, it would give them 6-12 months to grab the Dutch Oil Fields, and build a stout defensive perimeter. They thought that by doing so, we would Declare War and get frustrated with "the said defenses" and Back off of them and let them have it. In the mean time, mass their troops and hit the Russians on the East, and drive West.
They guessed, planned, thought, and were wrong. All but two Battleships were repaired and sent back into Service. Isoroku Yamamoto forgot one thing when he was a student at Harvard, the US resolve. The resources that we had were astonishing, when compared to the Japanese. The A-Bomb was the right thing to do, at the time. It saved MILLIONS of lives and allowed me to spend 25 years with my grandfather who served in the Pacific (USMC 43-46).
That picture of Ben Affleck is almost disrespectful to those who fought and died at Pearl Harbor. A lame attempt at "humor" in a "non-humor" thread.
<> Vets, Past, Present and Future
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If you only read public school history textbooks, I can understand how you'd think they woke up one day and said, "Hey, let's attack Hawaii!" Obviously, that didn't happen. They must have thought they had a darn good reason or no other alternative, knowing the industrial power of the US would eventually crush them.
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Ack-Ack: I think we deserve more information. Please let us know the Mitsubishi company and building address. You can PM it, if you wish; I won't reveal it, except to the Mitsubishi HQ here in Japan.
It is very surprising to read such an accusation. You wrote that you 'always' feel strange, meaning this happens every year. I think this type of rumor should be documented and verified, since it creates emotionally charged arguments. It would be a significant shock to learn that this is true. Every company I have dealt with is keenly aware of the 5 days the US flag flies at half mast for their US subsidiaries, more so than average US companies.
Are you sure they are not tenants and the building management made this error?
Thanks, and I look forward to the information.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
What do you mean? Is there any event that justifies a country to go on a world conquest rampage?
a "can-do" attitude:O :O :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
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Originally posted by Rolex
If you only read public school history textbooks, I can understand how you'd think they woke up one day and said, "Hey, let's attack Hawaii!" Obviously, that didn't happen. They must have thought they had a darn good reason or no other alternative, knowing the industrial power of the US would eventually crush them.
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Yeah, how would the US eventually crush them? Did the US crush them? Nope!
The Japanese aninmals were A-Bombed, then trained to be civilized.
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Rolex, did the Japanese wake up one day a decide that China would destroy them?
There must be some good reason for attacking China also.
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Originally posted by Rolex
If you only read public school history textbooks, I can understand how you'd think they woke up one day and said, "Hey, let's attack Hawaii!" Obviously, that didn't happen. They must have thought they had a darn good reason or no other alternative, knowing the industrial power of the US would eventually crush them.
This is one reason why I never took you seriously Rolex.
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Of course, Rolex is not making any sense.
The US was never a threat to Japan. To prove my point, what do you think happed to Japan after WWII? :lol Amazing, isn't it?
We A-bombed the evil bastards, then we trained them to be civil.
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Perhaps this is an example of why you get banned. You rail at demons floating in your mind because you are unable to comprehend simple English sentences.
They must have thought they had a darn good reason or no other alternative, knowing the industrial power of the US would eventually crush them.
I did not say their reasons were correct or just. You see, the important phrase is, "They must have thought..."
I won't be responding to anything further you write here. It is now a tradition. Have a pleasant day.
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ByeBye, please go bye bye. Thanks. One more to ignore. Sheesh.
Where are the MPs when you need one? :)
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Originally posted by 1K3
That sneak attack on P-harbor by Dai-Nippon Kaigun was their only military sucess against the USN. After that it was either stalemate or downright USN victory:aok
Google 'Savo Island'.
The very first link it comes up with will no doubt be enlightening reading for you.
Most of the ships that give Ironbottom Sound it's name are USN or RAN.
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SoA2, nice thread, thanks for the timeline.
USN. Past, present and future.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Perhaps this is an example of why you get banned. You rail at demons floating in your mind because you are unable to comprehend simple English sentences.
They must have thought they had a darn good reason or no other alternative, knowing the industrial power of the US would eventually crush them.
I did not say their reasons were correct or just. You see, the important phrase is, "They must have thought..."
I won't be responding to anything further you write here. It is now a tradition. Have a pleasant day.
You're funny.
The sentences before those statements are very telling of your dishonesty. You basically said that you know more about the subject than anyone who has read about history in textbooks, and you said that you could understand why people thought that (sarcastically) the Japanses "woke up one day and decided to attack Hawaii".
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Originally posted by ByeBye
You're funny.
The sentences before those statements are very telling of your dishonesty. You basically said that you know more about the subject than anyone who has read about history in textbooks, and you said that you could understand why people thought that (sarcastically) the Japanses "woke up one day and decided to attack Hawaii".
Unfortunately he is right.
Public schools cover very little of why, or how things came about other then that they came about.
No offence but it looks to me anyway that you are trying ot read something into his statments that either arent there or arent intended the way you are taking them
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Originally posted by tikky
I guess we all know the step-by-step events on what lead nazi Germany and fascist Italy to go on a World Conquest (TM). I still have vague idea on Japan and what caused Japan to join the axis World Conquest (TM) bandwagon...:huh
all the answers are here
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/0007/